S02.E10: Do Not Disturb

[Ohwell]

I like murderin' Chris.

[Texasmom1970]

Either Chris has led a sheltered life or is too trusting. Has never heard of stranger danger, you don't just make friends with random people during the ZA. There is something off about those three, we will find out soon enough.

Maybe the actress who plays Opelia realized this show was crap and asked for her character to jump off a balcony or disappear.

[Gobi]

12 hours ago, raven said:

I thought they wove the two stories together pretty well.   Chris can try to justify his killing by saying the guy was threatening them and the hotel manager justifies her actions by saying she was trying to protect the guests.   Chris has killed before though (the mercy killing on the plane) maybe that was his tipping point.

This is an interesting theme of which I'd like to see more - how regular people turn bad in extreme circumstances. TWD occasionally touched on it. How morally difficult choices can lead one down the path of evil. Going from: I have to kill this person because he's threatening to kill me, to: I have to kill this person because he may be a threat.

[Morgan of Hed]

11 hours ago, Lamima said:

Nah, still a crap show for me. The bride's father...drops and turns and bites his daughter's face in like 3 seconds. 

On Talking Dead they clarified that the father had a massive heart attack and died. So this is from dead to zombie in 3 seconds, not sick from the virus to dead to zombie. Still too fast by what we've seen on TWD. 

[Madding crowd]

I find it hard to believe that every person who dies of natural causes springs back to life as a zombie in a few seconds. Putting aside the idea that this is all nonsense, it just doesn't seem believable for a change to happen that fast. I think they saw an interesting idea of having this happen at a wedding and didn't think it through. It might have been better if the manager woman knew the man would turn at some point, locked the doors and after five minutes or so the change happened.

They have some potentially interesting elements here (what happens if you are out to sea on a yacht? What would happen if you were in a hotel?) but they are just not fulfilling the potential here. I watched parts of it twice but I'm still not sure what the manager (sorry forgot her name), is trying to do to contain the walkers. I've said before I find it hard to believe they are just crashing through the glass of the balcony so easily or that walkers on the fifth or sixth floor are hearing piano music playing in the lobby. I know Alicia coming in mixed things up but what would be so hard about locking the dead in certain rooms, tagging the rooms with Dead Inside and continuing to live in the rest of the hotel?  I also didn't get at all the plan where Alicia lures the walkers into a room thereby trapping herself on the balcony where she could easily have been eaten before being pulled to safety. I was happy to see Travis again-I do like him. I have never believed that every person in a ZA would or should be a bad ass warrior type-real people are not like that. I'm hoping they will do more with his story than a retread of the bad dudes Daryl was briefly hooked up with. 

[NorthstarATL]

34 minutes ago, Texasmom1970 said:

Either Chris has led a sheltered life or is too trusting. Has never heard of stranger danger, you don't just make friends with random people during the ZA. There is something off about those three, we will find out soon enough.

Maybe the actress who plays Opelia realized this show was crap and asked for her character to jump off a balcony or disappear.

I'm hoping that the show goes in the other direction, and that the randos will regret having followed Chris. They may be shady, but Chris is dark.

[ghoulina]

14 minutes ago, Morgan of Hed said:

On Talking Dead they clarified that the father had a massive heart attack and died. So this is from dead to zombie in 3 seconds, not sick from the virus to dead to zombie. Still too fast by what we've seen on TWD. 

It seemed too fast to me as well. I think they could have done it differently. They could have shown the dad have a heart attack . Family is sitting with him. Elena is trying to reach an EMT. Phone lines are busy. (Or down.) The guests are kind of wandering around, wondering what do to. Some go back to their tables, some try to be helpful.  Show a LITTLE bit of time going by, people are more distracted when he finally comes back and turns.

[Morgan of Hed]

The other problem is that it seems too early in the overall timeline for every single person to be carrying the virus. I always assumed that happened with continuous exposure to zombies: get splattered a few times with zombie blood&guts, get infected. I doubt any of the wedding guests had seen a zombie yet. 

Edited September 5, 2016 by Morgan of Hed

[CloudySky]

It was the intro so I had no desire to wait around with these irrelevant people for five minutes while the guy turns. I'm good with how things went down. It introduced us to the relevant character and brought the point across of the horrible thing that happened. There is no definite timetable and we have no idea how people become carriers so it's all very much possible. Besides, they've heard rumors and the mother knew what was going on elsewhere so this has been going on a little while.

Nice to get a little break from Nick. Don't really care all that much where Ofelia is. Annoyed that they skipped Madison and Strand's houdini act. Nice to see Alicia in action. Like the new character. Both her and Luciana are awesome so probably one or both are going to die eventually. Chris/Travis was more interesting than I was expecting. All in all, decent episode!

The hotel is an awesome setpiece. Much more interesting than the Abigail.

[nodorothyparker]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

It seemed too fast to me as well. I think they could have done it differently. They could have shown the dad have a heart attack . Family is sitting with him. Elena is trying to reach an EMT. Phone lines are busy. (Or down.) The guests are kind of wandering around, wondering what do to. Some go back to their tables, some try to be helpful.  Show a LITTLE bit of time going by, people are more distracted when he finally comes back and turns.

They did do a very abbreviated version of this.  You could see Elena in the background trying and trying to call before giving up and slowly backing away.  Some people were starting to mill around or trying to figure out what was going on.

I agree that they're asking us to buy that Dad died instantaneously and then almost instantaneously turned a few seconds later, which on the face of it seems ridiculous given everything else we've seen on both shows.  But considering that it was a cold open featuring characters we've never met before, I kind of get why they didn't prolong it.  It was actually a pretty interesting way to introduce at least three potential new characters, Elena, the mother, and the groom, who we would see again later.

I really like the possibilities of the hotel as a set piece too.  There are so many story possibilities there, which means the show will probably fuck it up in short order.  Hopefully they won't manage to wreck it before Chris goes all serial killer there.

[TVFan17]

5 hours ago, SimoneS said:

I tried to watch this after The Strain, but fell asleep. It is too bad that the writers are fixated on Frank Dillane because  from the beginning the actor who plays Chris had more potential. The show still seems as bad as ever, but its low ratings (high for AMC) are steady so there is still time to fix things. Hopefully, the new producer for next season can make a difference. 

I don't see the cliche or similarity to Rick and Lori on TWD. Lori thought that Rick was dead because Shane lied to her. No one is deceiving anyone on FTWD. Instead characters deliberately abandoned each other which made absolutely no sense so must have been done to create drama and tension where none exists. After all, I don't see anyone in the main nuclear family of Madison/Travis/Alicia/Nick dying unless the actor is leaving or there is behind the scenes drama. 

My comment was not so much about why or how the group got separated (deception vs. no deception and what not).  I know that the circumstances were different on TWD.  My point was that the main couple is separated early on (just as Rick and Lori were), and each one doesn't know where the other one is, etc.  In other words, it's the fact that they are separated that I am referring to as the cliché part of it.  If you don't agree, you don't agree.  That's cool.  But it actually sounds like we agree that the separation was manufactured to create drama!

I absolutely think that someone from the main nuclear family will die on this show at some point -- if not this season, then sometime in the not-too-distant future.  The show is still pretty new, so anything can happen.   It is a branch of TWD, after all, and major characters on the show are not safe.  They'll just keep adding in new characters to cushion the blow.  The people on TWD were dying even though they were savvier at finessing the ZA.  These fools on FTWD are not anywhere close to being that savvy, so someone will suffer for it.

[riverheightsnancy]

14 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

If they embrace the idea that we're following the bad guys as they became bad guys and not just tortured misguided heroes, they could finally be on to something.

Yeah, I said that last week too in respect to Nick. It might actually be interesting if three leaders (maybe 4 if Ofelia ever comes back) emerge, create worlds with followers, and they fight each other. Alicia, Nick and Chris. That would be (at the very least) a departure from the mothership.  And if Chris and/or Nick end up being sociopaths or really bad people,, that would make it also realistic based on what we have seen in TWD. 

[CloudySky]

The dozen wedding guests have a right to be pissed for being locked in I suppose, but I rolled my eyes at the accusing tone of "she should be dead like my husband and daughter" line. Uhm, your husband died of a heart attack and bit your daughter's face off. Elena wasn't to blame for that part. And I feel like Elena with the axe and Alicia with her knife could have definitely taken them without handing over the keys. They were barely armed and (other than the groom) looked scared shitless.

I agree with those who feel like there's no suspense even in the 'scary scenes' because the characters are wearing plot armor. I don't want to lose Strand and Madison having a secret bite would be too similar to how Liza died but both of them (and Alicia this episode) escaping unscathed is too unrealistic. They need some red shirts around to feed the wasted but can't seem to hold onto their characters long enough to bother to kill them off (Hey Tobias, Alex, Jack where are you at).

[Guest]

2 hours ago, CloudySky said:

It was the intro so I had no desire to wait around with these irrelevant people for five minutes while the guy turns. I'm good with how things went down. It introduced us to the relevant character and brought the point across of the horrible thing that happened. There is no definite timetable and we have no idea how people become carriers so it's all very much possible. Besides, they've heard rumors and the mother knew what was going on elsewhere so this has been going on a little while.

My quibble with this sequence is that once again, they are thinking too much about the audience and shock value and missing the forest for the trees.  "Oh, the horror! Elena locked them in with a Zombie!"  The audience knows what locking that door means but it was too soon in ZA for Elena to really know that one Zombie is going to become two and then four and then everyone is dead..

They should have had her leave to call for help and lock the door.  Creating a quarantine for the sickness.  Then when she is out of the room the father of the bride turns.  Screaming starts and bodies slam against the door.  She decides not to open it.

They avoid the instantaneous turn.  Elena still makes the same decision to lock people in with carnage.  But they avoid her making decision that seem a little out of place with the level of knowledge characters have at that point in time.

[ghoulina]

I honestly don't care that they didn't show how Madison and Strand got away from the bar walkers. Watching Maddie fight with that grimace of hers and awkward moves? Just no. But I have a feeling they'll flash back to that next week.

[EyesGlazed]

17 hours ago, morgankobi said:

I gotta say, the dynamic they are creating between Chris and Travis is new and potentially interesting. I would love if they did actually push Chris's story to be a bad-guy origin story.

Agreed!  That would be something new and different.  And the show handled the character well this episode:  they depicted nice interactions between Chris and Travis, and I started thinking Chris was going to be okay, and then I started thinking the gang of guys were going to be the evil ones, and then BLAM.  Psycho Chris again.  That poor farmer.

I found the hotel stuff to be compelling and exciting.  Good for Alicia for showing some initiative.  I like the Elena character.  Minor quibble:  most of those balcony-diving zombies would break their heads upon landing and die for real.

Edited September 5, 2016 by EyesGlazed

[Black Knight]

4 hours ago, Texasmom1970 said:

Either Chris has led a sheltered life or is too trusting. Has never heard of stranger danger, you don't just make friends with random people during the ZA. There is something off about those three, we will find out soon enough.

Maybe the actress who plays Opelia realized this show was crap and asked for her character to jump off a balcony or disappear.

I think Chris just feels he's even more dangerous than they are. Which he is. I had to laugh at Travis spending the entire time after they met the bro-migos telling Chris how shady they are, not realizing his son's the shadiest of all. They recognized Chris as one of them as soon as they met him - but even more than that, they recognized that Chris could be their leader. It will not be long before Chris is running that group. Which, I would actually find interesting. I hate Chris, but I realized last night that what's really tried my patience about his storyline is Travis's attempts to help him. I mean, it makes sense for Travis to do it, that's his son, I can't expect him to act any differently, but it's been annoying TV-watching for me anyway. But if they have Travis finally realize what Chris is and basically resign himself to the reality, and have Chris at the head of one of the typical baddie groups that are so prevalent in the WD universe...well, that would be the first time that an original cast member has headed up one of those gangs, it would be the first time where an origin story for one of those leaders has played out in current time rather than in flashbacks...and it makes it a little more interesting when the gang inevitably runs up against one of our other groups of original characters. The formula of one group of baddies after another has gotten very tired in the WD universe, and this would at least add a bit of freshness into it.

I like Madison and I'm glad, albeit unsurprised, that she and Strand survived. I fully expect we'll see how next week. I liked the teensy clues we were given here: the doors being barred, Elena saying that door at the end of the corridor she and Alicia went into wasn't supposed to be locked, Madison wearing a different shirt. (And Alicia realized from what Elena said that instead of just banging on the door, she needed to call out instead and thus let the person(s) on the other side who had locked the door know that it wasn't just zombies trying to get through.)

Yay, Brenda Strong! She'll always be Mary Alice Young to me, and it's nice to see her turn up here.

[CloudySky]

31 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

My quibble with this sequence is that once again, they are thinking too much about the audience and shock value and missing the forest for the trees.  "Oh, the horror! Elena locked them in with a Zombie!"  The audience knows what locking that door means but it was too soon in ZA for Elena to really know that one Zombie is going to become two and then four and then everyone is dead..

They should have had her leave to call for help and lock the door.  Creating a quarantine for the sickness.  Then when she is out of the room the father of the bride turns.  Screaming starts and bodies slam against the door.  She decides not to open it.

They avoid the instantaneous turn.  Elena still makes the same decision to lock people in with carnage.  But they avoid her making decision that seem a little out of place with the level of knowledge characters have at that point in time.

But her leaving and locking the door to call an ambulance for a heartattack would make even less sense than what happened now. And she wouldn't have seen him turn and bite his daughter so why wouldn't she open the door for the screaming people? It would have made her look like an awful person whereas now...with the little knowledge she had (rumors on the internet), what she saw with her own eyes and her other hotel guests to think about...her actions make sense.

 

I thought the emphasis on Alicia saying her mother would die for her was a bit weird. Wouldn't most mothers die for their children? Especially in light of Madison being careless enough to get drunk and lament having children at all. Curious to see the further breakdown of that relationship.

[Black Knight]

4 minutes ago, CloudySky said:

But her leaving and locking the door to call an ambulance for a heartattack would make even less sense than what happened now. And she wouldn't have seen him turn and bite his daughter so why wouldn't she open the door for the screaming people? It would have made her look like an awful person whereas now...with the little knowledge she had (rumors on the internet), what she saw with her own eyes and her other hotel guests to think about...her actions make sense.

 

I thought the emphasis on Alicia saying her mother would die for her was a bit weird. Wouldn't most mothers die for their children? Especially in light of Madison being careless enough to get drunk and lament having children at all. Curious to see the further breakdown of that relationship.

Not just rumors on the internet - Mary Alice Young haughtily told her "we know people" and that it was a sickness. Thinking she needed to set up a quarantine made complete sense. The actress really beautifully conveyed, while walking through the empty reception room, the sense of how awful it is to have to live with the knowledge that your actions were correct based on the information you had at the time, but unfortunately were actually incorrect because the information you had was wrong, and so people who otherwise would have lived have died. She's too good and feeling a person to be able to just shrug that off with "Well, how was I supposed to know?" Alicia giving her total support was nice.

Alicia's been feeling like Madison doesn't care about her at all (because Madison's attention has always been so taken up by Nick and his constant crises), so that's why her realization was given such weight. Madison realized in the previous episode how neglected Alicia has felt by her. Between those realizations and their reunion at the end, I took as a sign that their relationship is going to be improving from here on rather than breaking down further.

[JackONeill]

28 minutes ago, CloudySky said:

 

 

I thought the emphasis on Alicia saying her mother would die for her was a bit weird. Wouldn't most mothers die for their children? Especially in light of Madison being careless enough to get drunk and lament having children at all. Curious to see the further breakdown of that relationship.

It was interesting to see the way the actress handled the question as to whether her mother would do anything for her. At first, she hesitated, then it looked like she was going to say No, but finally said Yes, and she said it with emphasis. But at the beginning of the series, I think she would have not hesitated to say No. And then, Madison told Strand that she basically regretted having kids. 

Then, we have the whole dysfunctional relationship of Travis and Chris.

It all makes Nick look fairly normal.

[Gobi]

I would very much like to see a storyline of Chris turning into a Governor/Neegan type character; perhaps with Strand, always the practical one, as his consiglieri. "Breaking Dead", as it were.

I think it far more likely that we'll see Travis either kill Chris himself, or stand by and do nothing while walkers/bad guys do it.

[Miles]

20 hours ago, morgankobi said:

I gotta say, the dynamic they are creating between Chris and Travis is new and potentially interesting. I would love if they did actually push Chris's story to be a bad-guy origin story.

It's really not. It's a retread of the Rick-Carl-stuff only I doubt Chris will come back like Carl did.

 

20 hours ago, NorthstarATL said:

 I guess Mexican bars have a trap door behind the bar? I wish I'd worked there! So much easier to get ice and restock!

Kinda makes sense to have a maintenance tunnel there to restock, so you don't have to cart stuff through the hotel.

 

12 hours ago, lynnea6 said:

I realized there was no redeeming Chris when he told his dad that the Lochte dudes were good guys when they had clearly executed the people at the store where he met them.

It did seem like it. But then they hesitated forever to kill the farmer, even after one of them got shot. Chris had to do it in the end. That whole thing didn't quite work.

 

8 hours ago, BetyBee said:

Madison's face when she saw Alicia was just.....evidence that she can be a bad actress without uttering a single word.  Whatever she was trying to convey, it looked to me like she just had a bad headache from all the tequila.  

Yeah. Although I'm going to give her a pass here. The character is supposed to be extremely shitfaced at this point and that expression did kinda look like "oh I'm so relieved but also insanely drunk and can barely stand".

The other problem is that it seems too early in the overall timeline for every single person to be carrying the virus. I always assumed that happened with continuous exposure to zombies: get splattered a few times with zombie blood&guts, get infected. I doubt any of the wedding guests had seen a zombie yet. 

Whatever it is, I'm pretty sure it's airborne.

I peronally hate this "everybody is infected" bullshit, since it doesn't make sense that a bite turns you, in this case, but here we are. (and don't tell me the bite is deadly because of bacteria from a corpse. First you could cure that with antibiotics, second the bite of freshly turned people shouldn't kill you)

Edited September 5, 2016 by Miles

[nodorothyparker]

32 minutes ago, Miles said:

It's a retread of the Rick-Carl-stuff only I doubt Chris will come back like Carl did.

It is, but Travis doesn't have a Herschel to force a course correction through the virtues of farm work the way Rick did.  Travis certainly seemed to be trying to go that route with all his babbling about how they could hole up and grow some crops, but Chris is enough older than Carl that Travis will have a much harder time making him do anything even before you figure in that he's much further down the budding psychopath trail. 

[Black Knight]

2 hours ago, JackONeill said:

And then, Madison told Strand that she basically regretted having kids. 

Yes, however, the reason is important: She was feeling regretful of choosing to have her kids not because she doesn't love them but because she loves them so much that it's caused her great hurt over the years (Nick especially with his longtime addiction) and now they're in the middle of a zombie apocalypse and her son is lost to her and she could lose her daughter as well. I once saw someone describe having children as having your heart walking around outside you, as a way to explain how vulnerable you become when you're a parent and how easily your heart can get hurt or destroyed by anything happening to your children, and that's essentially the same thing as Madison was saying. She was a grieving mother being ripped apart by her grief at that moment.

On a quick rewatch I noticed that not only is Madison wearing a different shirt, she's also wearing a different shirt underneath, and Strand is wearing different clothes too. So I'm guessing part of their escape involved covering themselves in zombie blood. I'm sure we'll know next week.

I also forgot to mention before something really stupid Travis said: When he was trying to convince Chris that they could stay at the farm, he said that it was away from the road and isolated. Oh really, Travis? The farm that you're at because Chris saw it from the road? Travis is such an idiot. I died laughing when on this week's Talking Dead they gave out free action figurines of Travis of all characters.

[AnnaMayWong]

If anyone is going to be killed within the father(Travis)/son(Chris) duo, it's Chris that's gonna be doin' the murderin'.

[megwhite]

The Chris/father dynamic could be really interesting, espicially if Chris kills his own dad, or turns into the leader of this baddie group and leaves his dad surrounded by zombies.

[ganesh]

I must be missing why the hotel manager hasn't cleared out the hotel yet. I know it's not easy, but you have somewhat of a strategic advantage. If you have all the keys you could turn the place into a fortress. 

[SnarkyTart]

Things I wouldn't have known from watching the show that I had to learn afterwards on Talking Dead:

Why Elena feels like the hotel is her home

That the father of the bride had a heart attack

That Alicia knew the Maddie lookalike zombie wasn't Maddie when she stabbed it in the head

Between the bad writing, bad directing, bad editing, and mostly horrible acting, this show continues to be a muddled mess.  On a good note, kudos to Killer Chris for managing to have shiny, freshly-washed and blow-dried hair in the midst of the apocalypse.

[Daryleena]

Ok, so, in the early part of this episode, Travis breaks the back door car window with a metal rod. Smashes the window completely. And he then opens the door using the outside car door handle, he never even reaches in the broken window. Why the hell did he smash the window? I re-watched twice, we were cracking up. Smashes window, then just opens the door like normal.

Of course, he is the same brainiac who ran across a desert with no shoes to chase down his son, for miles, and now is dealing with shredded feet. I mean, dude, grab a pair of shoes before running out into the apocalypse. 

[Haleth]

16 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

It would have been nice if they had shown how Madison and Strand had gotten past all of those walkers in the bar.  I hate this shit where all of a sudden they are safe and TPTB don't bother to show how it happened.

Spoiler

From the previews it looks like they will show this in the next episode.

I was only half paying attention.  Did they explain how the groom and MoB got out of the locked room?

(We're having a family wedding in Mexico next year so the opening scene gave me more than usual amount of creeps.)

I agree that if the writers are showing us how an arguably good kid becomes a murderous villain in the ZA it will be an interesting turn.  Travis will end up dead, either killed by Chris or from infections in his feet, and that will be the last straw.  Chris and his unfair wolves will end up in a confrontation with the Maddie/Strand group by the end of the season.

[JackONeill]

I think Maddie will kill Chris, but Travis will not see what led to it. So, though he "knows" about Chris, it will still bug him that Maddie did it. That should be good for another episode or two of strife. Oh, and at some point, Strand will try taking Maddie's side which will then cause Travis to take a swing at Strand.

Everybody else will stand around asking one of two things: "Where's Ofelia?" or "Who's Ofelia?"

Edited September 6, 2016 by JackONeill

[AngryCarrot86]

I kind of liked the opening scene.   It gave us insight as to how a normal person (Elena) would have inadvertently caused the local zombie population to grow faster in the very beginning.  Aside from the pilots, was this the first time we've opened with a group of people we've never met, in either franchise?  Part of me thinks this was TBTB idea of back-tracking and giving us a glimmer of what we were initially promised with this turd of a show: the collapse of society in the very beginning.   Too little, too late for me to think this show is anything but distraction until the mother ship comes back, but I'll take it :)

I think Travis is going to succumb to his foot injuries.  The show kept focusing on his pain.  Chris will be the one to put him out of his misery, then go on to be the next big bad.  One can only hope. 

[Ocean Chick]

23 hours ago, Texasmom1970 said:

Either Chris has led a sheltered life or is too trusting. Has never heard of stranger danger, you don't just make friends with random people during the ZA. There is something off about those three, we will find out soon enough

Eh - Chris IS the stranger your mother warned you about, as those 3 boys are about to learn.  They should be afraid of HIM.  LOL

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

Elena Is Another Season 2 Fear The Walking Dead Guest Character Making A Good Impression

The show's recent move to Mexico allows for more diverse casting in the Walking Dead universe.

[kj4ever]

I'd almost have hope that they could get something interesting with Chris out of this steaming pile, but the actor does not have the chops at all to pull it off.  This episode was just a bit better, mostly because we only had to see Madison for a few seconds.

[piequinn35]

I think Ophelia is in the Presidential Suite sleeping or in the hot tub...

[ganesh]

I'm just not feeling Chris as a big bad gang leader type of person, and no more than just another violent punk whose tendencies were finally released with the collapse of society. There's no spark of strategic thinking or intelligence I'm seeing. Doesn't mean that can't develop as he learns to survive and maybe killing Travis flips that switch, but I'm skeptical. It's actually not that interesting to me since we've seen this character all over the place. 

[Tarasme]

During the wedding scene, all i could think about was REC 3.

[Artsda]

It was funny Travis is so hating on the San Diego boys and scared of them, when his son is 10x worse. The San Diego boys should be scared of Chris. 

[ChipBach]

14 hours ago, Daryleena said:

Ok, so, in the early part of this episode, Travis breaks the back door car window with a metal rod. Smashes the window completely. And he then opens the door using the outside car door handle, he never even reaches in the broken window. Why the hell did he smash the window? I re-watched twice, we were cracking up. Smashes window, then just opens the door like normal.

Of course, he is the same brainiac who ran across a desert with no shoes to chase down his son, for miles, and now is dealing with shredded feet. I mean, dude, grab a pair of shoes before running out into the apocalypse. 

Ha!  I told my wife the same thing once we opened the car door!  Why did he even break the window if the door was open?  So they couldn't use the car to sleep in?  It was just shoddy direction actually...

[xaxat]

Was anyone else reminded of the trailer for the video game Dead Island?

 

(If you're unfamiliar with it, I highly recommend a watch. It might be the best zombie short film ever.)

Edited September 6, 2016 by xaxat

[Shriekingeel]

If you have to watch the aftershow to figure out what's going on, it's atrocious storytelling. 

[natyxg]

On 09/05/2016 at 10:56 AM, Texasmom1970 said:

Either Chris has led a sheltered life or is too trusting. Has never heard of stranger danger, you don't just make friends with random people during the ZA. There is something off about those three, we will find out soon enough.

I think it's more about him being a teen and liking being around other men more or less his age who accept him and whatever. I saw it as a very highschool-y thing, because after all Chris is supposed to be a teen. He didn't even know how to drive. Of course he would rather stay with the bros and blow shit up, rather than become a farmer with Pa in some isolated farm.

Anyway, I thought the hotel plot was okay-ish, but of course we got a lot of Travis-Chris zzzzfest instead. I do like Travis and the actor, I think he does "good man" well and has some charisma... the same charisma Chris lacks, so I don't care about his downward spiral or whatever. I don't think this is a storyline that can lead anywhere in the long term, at most it will end up with Travis having to kill Chris, or MAYBE, with Chris killing Pa and then getting killed by Madison. Either way, I'm not really interested. I'd rather they would just focus on the hotel and have some interesting plot there, but next week Nick will be back with more zzz to take away from the hotel plot.

Whatever.  At least Alycia is kind of sort of becoming more badass, I think. I'm always here for badass women.

[BeatLA24]

When the dad fell, I surmised it was a heart attack. It looked like his hands were going towards his chest when he was on the ground.

[SimoneS]

22 hours ago, Daryleena said:

Ok, so, in the early part of this episode, Travis breaks the back door car window with a metal rod. Smashes the window completely. And he then opens the door using the outside car door handle, he never even reaches in the broken window. Why the hell did he smash the window? I re-watched twice, we were cracking up. Smashes window, then just opens the door like normal. 

I saw a clip of this and had to laugh. This sloppiness is just so FTWD. I understand the actor in the middle of the scene being distracted, but how did the director and editor miss this? Or did they decide, whatever, we will let it ride? Come on.

Edited September 7, 2016 by SimoneS

[maczero]

On 9/5/2016 at 3:04 PM, icemiser69 said:

Random thoughts:

It would have been nice if they had shown how Madison and Strand had gotten past all of those walkers in the bar.  I hate this shit where all of a sudden they are safe and TPTB don't bother to show how it happened.

Travis is in denial if he thinks he can make any positive change in Chris.  I don't think Travis will ever let him go.  I am just waiting for Chris to kill Travis.

How Madison and Strand survived will be shown in the next episode.

I'm betting one of Madison's kids (most likely Nick) takes out Chris.

13 hours ago, AngryCarrot86 said:

Aside from the pilots, was this the first time we've opened with a group of people we've never met, in either franchise?  

Nope.  The ep when they arrived at the hacienda opened with a bunch of churchgoers we had never seen.

9 hours ago, ChipBach said:

Ha!  I told my wife the same thing once we opened the car door!  Why did he even break the window if the door was open?  So they couldn't use the car to sleep in?  It was just shoddy direction actually...

Truthfully, I can see myself doing this.  I'd want to smash a car window with a crowbar so badly that I'd forget to check if the door was already open.

Am I the only one that thinks the battle between the hotel staff and the guests sounds hilariously awesome?  I'm imagining the guests on different floors forming tribes straight out of a Mad Max film.

Edited September 7, 2016 by maczero

[nachomama]

So Madison and Travis both won't give up on a son. But oddly Nick is not the who is too far gone. So if Chris has these murderous tendencies, what was his purpose for standing over Maddie and Alecia with the knife? Avenging his mother?

I'm guessing they don't know yet that everyone is infected and it's not the bite itself that turns you. Because pharmacist guy thinks he's Jesus for surviving, yes bad bite but if the bite doesn't kill you, you don't necessarily turn.

[smartymarty]

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Chris has killed before though (the mercy killing on the plane) maybe that was his tipping point.

Chris wasn't on a plane. That was another guy, who ended up dying in a raft. Travis retrieved Chris and Chris' mother from their house, then went through the city and picked up Ofelia, et al.

[ganesh]

Chris was scavenging for stuff with the rest of the family, and he crawled into a downed airplane to look around and found a guy pinned to the seat with like his back broken or something, and he killed him. The guy asked him to. Then a herd showed up, and I think this was when Nick figured out how to walk amongst them all bloodied up. 

I'm finding it kind of contrived if Madison et al., reunite with either Nick or Chris/Travis. I suppose Nick would be more likely if they get wind of the community if they have to leave the hotel. I think it would be ridiculous to leave the hotel all together, since it can be secured. 

One of the problems I have is that on both shows, no one is asking the right questions. The lack of curiosity and overall ignorance just astounds me. I guess part of the reason is we never meet characters like that, which is kind of boring, since it seems like we're meeting mostly the same type of people over again.
Although I would give a shred of credit to the main company in the first season, but they just dropped that flat. 

I just don't buy that "we're all infected." Someone at least one has to have a natural immunity to the virus. Granted, it would be nearly impossible to test for it, but I was hoping there would be more characters asking questions like this. 

[Ocean Chick]

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I'm betting one of Madison's kids (most likely Nick) takes out Chris.

I'm hoping more for Travis having to kill Chris in order to save Alicia or Nick (or maybe Maddy), and then having to live with the guilt of having killed his own son.  That would be cool.