Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[Aja]

I think we just need to stop thinking of Derick and Cathy (and the rest of them) as Christians. They aren't Christian. By definition. I don't care what they call themselves.   I get it, though. Claiming to be Christian is the only way they'd ever be able to get away with most of the shit they do--the grifting, the child abuse, the judgement, the willfully trying to pass laws to oppress people that have done FUCK ALL to them, trying to run over cats with sleds, all of it. They don't pay any attention to the standards of character and conduct that Jesus Christ preached; they enthusiastically and hungrily engage in just about every single sin the Bible derides--lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy and pride are their freaking TRADEMARKS. Forget Christian. I don't know what the hell you could label them, but Christian isn't it. It's some sort of weird hybrid of alt-right greedy buttboys (finally, a legit way to steal money, rape children and beat women! Just tell everybody it's for Jesus!) and a reverence for wanton ignorance and hate because it appeals to the basest nature in all humans. Fear of the unknown/different + intellectual laziness=fundies. Cathy doesn't give two fucks about Jesus Christ or anything he said--all you have to do is read her tweets, which defy the teachings of Jesus Christ in a million ways with every single one. Cathy is just using the deity that our society has deemed acceptable--the way TONS of people in this country do--to hide behind her own hostility, fear, hate, anger and APPALLING levels of stupidity and ignorance. I guarantee Cathy's touching and superior religious devotion would be to Teflonos, the Myposian God of Protection if that was the national trend and it protected her from wrath or even legal action for choosing to be the kind of person she is. She doesn't give a shit about Jesus.

PS To everyone sharing their stories of loss, of survival, of power and strength--thank you. I have tears in my eyes reading all of them. I don't care what you call yourselves either--if Jesus is an actual thing, everything else being equal, I guarantee he loves you all WAY more than Cathy.

Edited February 5, 2018 by Aja

[cmr2014]

21 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

It's one of my major pet peeves, too, @Maharincess.  In fact, "Christians" like Ms. Cathy (and Derrick & the Duggars) are the main things that turn me off from Christianity/religion in general.   

How did Derrick's dad die, everyone? I cannot remember.  Was it something Jesus could have healed him from but he just didn't pray enough or have enough faith? You'd think someone who lost their spouse/father of their kids might have a little humilty when it comes to Jesus saving lives and all....

It's exhausting trying to follow the "logic." When someone gets sick, that's because of "Satan," but when they get better, it's because of "Jesus." Unless, of course, they die, then "God called them home."

Praying is, of course, the only way to be healed, but you should definitely go to the doctor if you're sick, because . . .

I don't like to be snide or dismissive of something that gives people hope and comfort when they, or a loved one, are ill, but Cathy is a sanctimonious POS. 

[bigskygirl]

Yes I am saying this-at least Cathy set up scholarships in her late husband's name. She still is a major pill, and I cannot stand her or Derick, but at least she did something to honor her husband.

[xwordfanatik]

22 minutes ago, Aja said:

I think we just need to stop thinking of Derick and Cathy (and the rest of them) as Christians. They aren't Christian. By definition. I don't care what they call themselves.   I get it, though. Claiming to be Christian is the only way they'd ever be able to get away with most of the shit they do--the grifting, the child abuse, the judgement, the willfully trying to pass laws to oppress people that have done FUCK ALL to them, trying to run over cats with sleds, all of it. They don't pay any attention to the standards of character and conduct that Jesus Christ preached; they enthusiastically and hungrily engage in just about every single sin the Bible derides--lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy and pride are their freaking TRADEMARKS. Forget Christian. I don't know what the hell you could label them, but Christian isn't it. It's some sort of weird hybrid of alt-right greedy buttboys (finally, a legit way to steal money, rape children and beat women! Just tell everybody it's for Jesus!) and a reverence for wanton ignorance and hate because it appeals to the basest nature in all humans. Fear of the unknown/different + intellectual laziness=fundies. Cathy doesn't give two fucks about Jesus Christ or anything he said--all you have to do is read her tweets, which defy the teachings of Jesus Christ in a million ways with every single one. Cathy is just using the deity that our society has deemed acceptable--the way TONS of people in this country do--to hide behind her own hostility, fear, hate, anger and APPALLING levels of stupidity and ignorance. I guarantee Cathy's touching and superior religious devotion would be to Teflonos, the Myposian God of Protection if that was the national trend and it protected her from wrath or even legal action for choosing to be the kind of person she is. She doesn't give a shit about Jesus.

PS To everyone sharing their stories of loss, of survival, of power and strength--thank you. I have tears in my eyes reading all of them. I don't care what you call yourselves either--if Jesus is an actual thing, everything else being equal, I guarantee he loves you all WAY more than Cathy.

I love your post.  I totally agree, and thank you for stating your thoughts more eloquently than I ever could.

[Arwen Evenstar]

28 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said:

I love your post.  I totally agree, and thank you for stating your thoughts more eloquently than I ever could.

Aja,when you come out of lurking, you just rock!  There are many people who humbly and quietly do God’s work without tweeting to everyone about it.  They give love and kindness to everyone regardless of race, color, age, gender identity, sexual orientation, regardless of where they worship. They also respect the choice of people to believe or not without judgment. It could be as simple as a smile, a kind word or gesture, or a hug.

Those are type of Christians that even the most avowed atheist or skeptic respect over the likes of Endora or Derweed. If others come to me and ask about my faith,  then I will share. Otherwise, I just shut my pie hole. 

A coworker barged in my office after hearing my other coworker talk about being a skeptic and started ripping her to shreds. I immediately leaped to her defense, stating that she was exercising her right to believe as she chooses. He got all sanctimonious, so I said. You, too, are entitled to your beliefs, but by being so judgmental, I’m sure you’ve put her off even more. Crickets.

Edited February 5, 2018 by Arwen Evenstar

[JoanArc]

50 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Yes I am saying this-at least Cathy set up scholarships in her late husband's name. She still is a major pill, and I cannot stand her or Derick, but at least she did something to honor her husband.

Honestly, I think she just likes drawing attention to the fact that she was widowed.

 

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Why didn't God clear Rick's arteries?

To show mercy and get him out of the toxic soup his family had become?

[awaken]

1 hour ago, Aja said:

I think we just need to stop thinking of Derick and Cathy (and the rest of them) as Christians. They aren't Christian. By definition. I don't care what they call themselves.   I get it, though. Claiming to be Christian is the only way they'd ever be able to get away with most of the shit they do--the grifting, the child abuse, the judgement, the willfully trying to pass laws to oppress people that have done FUCK ALL to them, trying to run over cats with sleds, all of it. They don't pay any attention to the standards of character and conduct that Jesus Christ preached; they enthusiastically and hungrily engage in just about every single sin the Bible derides--lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy and pride are their freaking TRADEMARKS. Forget Christian. I don't know what the hell you could label them, but Christian isn't it. It's some sort of weird hybrid of alt-right greedy buttboys (finally, a legit way to steal money, rape children and beat women! Just tell everybody it's for Jesus!) and a reverence for wanton ignorance and hate because it appeals to the basest nature in all humans. Fear of the unknown/different + intellectual laziness=fundies. Cathy doesn't give two fucks about Jesus Christ or anything he said--all you have to do is read her tweets, which defy the teachings of Jesus Christ in a million ways with every single one. Cathy is just using the deity that our society has deemed acceptable--the way TONS of people in this country do--to hide behind her own hostility, fear, hate, anger and APPALLING levels of stupidity and ignorance. I guarantee Cathy's touching and superior religious devotion would be to Teflonos, the Myposian God of Protection if that was the national trend and it protected her from wrath or even legal action for choosing to be the kind of person she is. She doesn't give a shit about Jesus.

PS To everyone sharing their stories of loss, of survival, of power and strength--thank you. I have tears in my eyes reading all of them. I don't care what you call yourselves either--if Jesus is an actual thing, everything else being equal, I guarantee he loves you all WAY more than Cathy.

A thousand likes. As a former Christian, I am livid that they use the name of god to justify their hateful lives. 

[charmed1]

8 hours ago, ginger90 said:

hmmmm

 

Oh STFU you skeletal piece of shit! Who are you, the kneeling monitor? Say what you will, but those young men are employed and sacrificing their long term health for the jobs they’ve chosen. You sit on your lazy, bony ass and do nothing all day, yuck mouth. You want the freedom to believe in your fucked up cult and harass young students to recruit them into your cult, but god forbid employed people exercise their rights and beliefs. I’m an American, and what I want is for you to get a job, bitch! Uglass, inadequate, spoiled rotten douche bag.(Sorry for the language, but that tweet really set me off).

Edited February 5, 2018 by charmed1

[whydoiwatch]

6 hours ago, Kokapetl said:

JFC. Why would some alleged god even give a shit about some inconsequential sports game in a country he never mentioned?

 

 

WOW.  Hard to believe this simpleton is for real and sometimes I wonder if he is just messing with those who pay any attention to him. How in the hell can one reach adulthood, be around others at least enough to obtain a college degree and still have an attitude like this? Talk about walking around with blinders on...      As much as I snark on the Duggar clan, I actually hate this dick.

Edited February 6, 2018 by whydoiwatch

[bigskygirl]

This may fall under the ole not popular opinion and I am in the minority category, but I would take someone who puts their lives on the line aka law enforcement, other emergency personnel and soldiers over football players. I may not agree with their way of making a statement, but they do have the right to state it as long as they are not hurting others.

Now back to Derick, Cathy, and Jill. I would want to know what they have done to help their fellow man or fellow women. I do not mean attacking others for not agreeing with you, judging others while sitting on your holier than thou lazy obnoxious behinds, sprouting your crap on social media, and making broad statements about people and their rights which you obviously have no clue about, or hiding behind the bible and God to state your hatred and prejudices. Lets see Derick put on a uniform to serve and protect or fight in another country (and no I am not taking about the Duggar version of Barney Fife aka Constable JD.) I mean how many law enforcement officers like his late dad went out to protect protesters and others while risking  his life.. Take a page from your dad Derick and become a real man instead of building up more hatred in your heart and soul.

[flyingdi]

4 hours ago, Kokapetl said:

JFC. Why would some alleged god even give a shit about some inconsequential sports game in a country he never mentioned?

Because, as every football watcher knows, God is responsible for each and every victory!

PS I am not a football fan and do not actually think God cares a fig about which team wins!

[bigskygirl]

Which goes to prove people have the right to like or dislike our government leaders. I am sure God is sitting some where thinking oh no those naughty football players do not want to meet the president, and I will make sure they go on naughty list and not make it to heaven. I personally could care less because I think we have bigger problems in our country.

In the case of Derick, ignorance is blissful, so Derick is probably one of the most blissful people in the whole wide universe. Instead of focusing on this, why not go out and get a job to support his family instead of being the king of twitter trying to get the rest of us to agree with your hatred, ignorance and prejudices.

Edited February 5, 2018 by bigskygirl

[ginger90]

[Buggin]

5 hours ago, BetyBee said:

Well, thank the Lord, no one was kneeling, lol.

What if a player knelt during the anthem because he wanted to pray? God before country, right? 

That would probably make Derick’s head explode.

[DangerousMinds]

12 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Needful?

[Mollie]

22 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

FPU stands for Financial Peace University.  It's a course taught by Dave Ramsey about investing money.  Why was Derick interested in this while working as a tour guide in Nepal?  Because money interests him more than ministry.  

[scriggle]

So they want to learn how to invest the money they grifted?

[zoomama]

its really a program teaching you how to get out of debt and THEN use your money to support you while not re-accruing debt.  basically, pay cash always, no credit debt at all.

[The Ascension]

Ughhhhhhh. Derick's tweets about the Super Bowl then him retweeting Donald Trump Jr who is crowing "it's that easy! well done" about the lack of kneeling. Such ignorant morons.

[PradaKitty]

You forgot entitled. They’re ignorant entitled morons.

[Sew Sumi]

I love how Derelict refers to himself as church "staff." Nice try, fibber McGee. As if Dave Ramsey will ever read your tweet anyway. 

Edited February 6, 2018 by Sew Sumi

[tabloidlover]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

So is he admitting he hasn't managed the grifted funds well?   Does he have credit card debt?  How does one get credit cards with no verifiable source of income for the last few years?   I don't remember Capital One having a line for "grifted income" on the application.

Edited February 6, 2018 by tabloidlover

[GeeGolly]

Well hit me over the head with some common sense @Aja! Just because they claim to be Christians doesn't make it so!

All this time I've been offended with their hypocrisy when really they're not hypocrites at all. They're just mean and arrogant fools who hide behind thinly veiled lies.

Hey Cathy and Derick, Aja's not the only one onto you. God is too.

[Zella]

I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around how the Dillards have any debt? In addition to having no income other than donations, I seriously doubt that either Derick's mom or Jill's parents haven't covered any expenses that could have put them into debt.

[jennblevins]

I agree that it’s difficult to imagine how they could have built up much debt, but I could definitely see them signing up for the seminar either a) because everyone else at the church is doing it, or b) to humble-brag about their existing lack of debt to the other participants. 

[Sew Sumi]

I would lay a bet that this course is part of Derelict's "school" training. He did admit it's through the church. I'm sure his tuition covered his course fees, but maybe paying for Jill out of pocket is straining their finances? Have they already blown through all of Jill's TLC money, not to mention People covers, etc? 

[Zella]

Just now, jennblevins said:

I agree that it’s difficult to imagine how they could have built up much debt, but I could definitely see them signing up for the seminar either a) because everyone else at the church is doing it, or b) to humble-brag about their existing lack of debt to the other participants. 

That makes sense!

I am wondering now if Derick had student loans for college. I guess he could have some debt for that. We know Jill doesn't. ;) 

[Sew Sumi]

Derelict got through school on scholarships. No debt. 

[SuspiciousMind]

1 hour ago, DangerousMinds said:

Needful?

I know ... I just can't get past this.  Mr. Dullard is making me especially stabby today ....

[Mollie]

23 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Derelict got through school on scholarships. No debt. 

Do you have a citation for this?  He wasn't an overachiever in highschool.  How did he get a scholarship to an out-of-state college?

[Zella]

24 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Derelict got through school on scholarships. No debt. 

Okay that makes sense. It sounds like @jennblevins is probably on the right track with them doing it because everyone else on staff is. I'm cracking up thinking about their contributions to the class discussions.

[GeeGolly]

Although I don't remember Derick giving an explanation as to how, but he did tell JB & M he was debt free prior to marrying Jill.

[Sew Sumi]

8 minutes ago, Mollie said:

Do you have a citation for this?  He wasn't an overachiever in highschool.  How did he get a scholarship to an out-of-state college?

From the horse's mouth a few  years ago. I can't remember which medium I saw/read it. But that's his claim. It might have come out in his conversation with Boob about being debt-free when he asked to marry Jill. Sorry, it's been several years. 

[DragonFaerie]

7 hours ago, Kokapetl said:

So what would he have done if the Pirates played the Raiders or Vikings?  Said it was a godless battle?  A Christian god that is????  

[SMama]

His father did attend the same university and was PP. Also, Derick was part of the marching band. I have no idea if that would have entitled him to a free ride. Why is Jill taking the seminar? She is such a freaking clinger. Is she afraid Derelict will be defrauded during class. Such a waste of money when Jilly won’t retain nor understand the material.

[DragonFaerie]

14 hours ago, ginger90 said:

 How about you complain when you have served in the military or the National Guard?  Your notion that it's your way or the highway is one of the reasons America was founded.  I might not agree with it.  But we do have a right to voice and show our opinion dumbarse.

[Zella]

I know some band kids who have gotten some pretty great scholarships. (Not where he went but still.) I taught college comp as a TA and had a student in band who basically made money going to college. Granted, she was really talented and played multiple instruments. 

[Portia]

I think that Dave Ramsey course covers more than just eliminating debt: investment strategies, retirement planning, and whatnot. 

[Marigold]

I believe Derick's tweet is telling Dave Ramsey that he will be TEACHING the FPU course to the staff. 

It is common for churches to offer the class.    Derick is saying that he started listening 5 years ago, indicating that he follows Dave Ramsey's principals. He is now "bringing it" to Cross Church staff. 

(Teaching consists of a leader who shows the DVD or goes through the workbooks etc)

[Absolom]

This is something Cross Church seems to offer regularly:

http://crosschurch.com/fpu/

I don't think Derick is doing more than attending.

[mythoughtis]

I seem to remember that the Dqve Ramsey course is the same price for married couples or singles. Married couples share one set of materials- and they  attend together. Dave  says 1  budget and 1 pot of money.. both partners must work together and should both know what bills and income the household has. 

Teaching it does not require that you know any more than the participants.   There’s a teachers workbook and videos.  Our instructor knew little more than we did. Worked out fine. 

[saylubee]

There are out of state tuition waivers for OSU that don’t seem to be difficult to obtain.  Being a legacy student seems to qualify you as long as you have a decent HS GPA or SAT score.

Plus I could see Cathy and Derick applying for all the obscure scholarships out there, especially before his freshman year.  His father was a cop and I know there are specific, well-funded scholarships for children of law enforcement.

Even though his father didn’t die on duty, I believe he was an active cop at the time.  That would likely unlock even more scholarships for Derick, plus he would have access to any vested pensions, retirement money, life insurance, etc.  I have no doubt his father dying young enabled Derick and Dan to finish college debt-free.

[Heathen]

Not to mention that Cathy probably made and makes a good salary. I'm sure that went a long way toward paying for Derelict's (wasted) education. 

[GeeGolly]

Derick was already in college when his dad died, but he would have received monthly death benefits until he was 21 and possibly until he graduated. That money could have been put toward college to help reduce costs. Walmart might have provided a 'children of' scholarship, maybe even a sizable one with the agreement to work for them. From what I read, Walmart, like many companies, treats upper management much, much better than entry level and lower management employees. Being a cop, his dad may have had a hefty life insurance plan as well. Cathy may have used some of that for her boys college expenses as well.

[Jynnan tonnix]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Derick was already in college when his dad died, but he would have received monthly death benefits until he was 21 and possibly until he graduated. That money could have been put toward college to help reduce costs. Walmart might have provided a 'children of' scholarship, maybe even a sizable one with the agreement to work for them. From what I read, Walmart, like many companies, treats upper management much, much better than entry level and lower management employees. Being a cop, his dad may have had a hefty life insurance plan as well. Cathy may have used some of that for her boys college expenses as well.

Yeah...having graduated college "debt-free" in no way means he had a full scholarship or paid his own way through with hard work and a tight budget. 

Nothing against parents paying for their kids' college educations if they are financially ale to do so - we always figured that the best step-up we could give our kids was the ability to get out of college without the weight of student loans hanging around their necks as they made their way into independent living.

Derelict hardly seems to be living a life which speaks of gratitude for his education or any drive and initiative to make something of it.

[JoanArc]

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Have they already blown through all of Jill's TLC money, not to mention People covers, etc?

I hope so. Reality might begin to leak in.

 

1 hour ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

Derelict hardly seems to be living a life which speaks of gratitude for his education or any drive and initiative to make something of it.

Did you know he was Pistol Pete? Huh? Huh? See, 4 years well spent.

[ginger90]

[ginger90]

[JoanArc]

14 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Do tell...

[lianau]

I think the best financial advice is not to spend more money than you earn  and to pay your rent and utilities on time .