Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[oliviabenson]

I think Jessa and Jana look similar.

[beckie]

Did Jill go to them, or did they go to her? I can't imagine where they're living now is so close as to make a shopping trip out of it. But then, I don't have a vehicle right now. Maybe the drive isn't as far as I'm thinking.

[ChiCricket]

On 10/4/2022 at 3:59 PM, Salacious Kitty said:

I know that the dark roots are in, but she's grown hers out past what's fashionable. It just looks sloppy now.

Soon she'll look like Turner of Big Brother. (well hopefully without the mustache) 😂 

(it's ugly on him too) 

[GeeGolly]

It didn't work well for Jinger either.

[ginger90]

5 hours ago, beckie said:

Did Jill go to them, or did they go to her?

They all would have had about a 30 minute drive.

[BigBingerBro]

40 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

It didn't work well for Jinger either.

"Beachy wave" Jinger and "Old fart" Ken

[P2C2E]

What else is she supposed to do? If going blonde was just a one time thing then of course it's going to have to grow out. Not everyone cares about the coloring of their hair. It harms literally no one, it's not because of a religious belief. What an odd thing to judge someone on.

[Suzn]

1 hour ago, P2C2E said:

What else is she supposed to do? If going blonde was just a one time thing then of course it's going to have to grow out. Not everyone cares about the coloring of their hair. It harms literally no one, it's not because of a religious belief. What an odd thing to judge someone on.

Maybe, but it's still ugly.  

[Lady Whistleup]

I don't mind blond streaks. I think for people with light brown hair like Jill it actually works. What she does need is a haircut. The ends are fried.

[Salacious Kitty]

13 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I don't mind blond streaks. I think for people with light brown hair like Jill it actually works. What she does need is a haircut. The ends are fried.

Jill dyed her entire head, not just highlights. I thought it was too light for her fair complexion. I think she needs to ditch the blonde and dye it back to her natural color to match the roots.

And cut off at least 6 inches on the bottom. Because yes, the ends are big time fried.

Edited October 9, 2022 by Salacious Kitty

[Absolom]

Cut 6 to 10 inches off the bottom and get some blending highlights put in the top would improve her look tremendously.  Although she may not have the time yet.

[libgirl2]

On 10/7/2022 at 9:41 PM, Salacious Kitty said:

Blast from the past! 

It's like seeing an old friend! 

[SnapHappy]

On 10/9/2022 at 10:20 AM, P2C2E said:

What else is she supposed to do? If going blonde was just a one time thing then of course it's going to have to grow out. Not everyone cares about the coloring of their hair. It harms literally no one, it's not because of a religious belief. What an odd thing to judge someone on.

Because it says she's fine spending $80-$100 on a full-head dye job, but can't be bothered to get a $12 box of highlight coloring at CVS to keep it from looking like hammered shit.  Which it does. 

She always wants the initial attention & compliments, but flakes out at any upkeep or maintenance.  And that is a common thread through everything in her life, causing her to continually fail.  Her "midwife" thing, her shilling on Social Media, educating her children, etc. 

Odd to judge her on?  Why not, as she does absolutely nothing of substance.  No job, no volunteering, no education, no personal growth, no contribution to her community. 

So yep, her tortured and ugly hair is fair game.  

Edited October 20, 2022 by SnapHappy

[auntieminem]

Jill did a story on IG in support of women in Iran. I am sure she does not understand all the history but good for her.   

[graefin]

12 hours ago, SnapHappy said:

Because it says she's fine spending $80-$100 on a full-head dye job, but can't be bothered to get a $12 box of highlight coloring at CVS to keep it from looking like hammered shit.  Which it does. 

It's really hard to do your own hair color at home and have it look good, especially when it's been previously done by professionals. And most (if not all) professionals will tell you the stuff available in drugstores is crap.

Maintaining colored hair is a lot of work, pretty pricey over time, and can be really damaging to the hair if not done right. Her hairdresser probably should have advised her on lower-maintenance color choices if she knew she wasn't going to be able to keep it up. Or maybe she intended to and, you know, life got in the way. It happens.

[SnapHappy]

7 hours ago, graefin said:

It's really hard to do your own hair color at home and have it look good, especially when it's been previously done by professionals. And most (if not all) professionals will tell you the stuff available in drugstores is crap.

Maintaining colored hair is a lot of work, pretty pricey over time, and can be really damaging to the hair if not done right. Her hairdresser probably should have advised her on lower-maintenance color choices if she knew she wasn't going to be able to keep it up. Or maybe she intended to and, you know, life got in the way. It happens.

Based on all the "sweet friends" she purports to have, I don't buy that she had nobody to help maintain grow-out. 

And she already has 2 older kids, so the "life" that happened should have been easier to manage.  She has 1 brother-mom quite old enough to tend to the middle kid while she tends to the baby.  That's more help than she had when it was 1 toddler & 1 newborn. 

Logic has never been a genetic trait to those born Duggar.  But making excuses and half-assing things is definitely their inherited stock-in-trade.   

[Nysha]

1 hour ago, SnapHappy said:

Based on all the "sweet friends" she purports to have, I don't buy that she had nobody to help maintain grow-out. 

Or maybe she doesn't care? I never have. 

[graefin]

1 hour ago, SnapHappy said:

Based on all the "sweet friends" she purports to have, I don't buy that she had nobody to help maintain grow-out. 

Maybe none of them happen to have hairdresser skills? I can believe that.

1 hour ago, SnapHappy said:

She has 1 brother-mom quite old enough to tend to the middle kid while she tends to the baby.

Part of her personal growth over the past several years might have involved realizing that she doesn't want to subject her own kids to the kind of childhood she had. So if she's not forcing one of her kids to look after the other (particularly for reasons as superficial as being able to have more time to do her own hair), I think she ought to be applauded for it, not lambasted.

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, graefin said:

Maybe none of them happen to have hairdresser skills? I can believe that.

Part of her personal growth over the past several years might have involved realizing that she doesn't want to subject her own kids to the kind of childhood she had. So if she's not forcing one of her kids to look after the other (particularly for reasons as superficial as being able to have more time to do her own hair), I think she ought to be applauded for it, not lambasted.

I'm curious where this info is. I've only heard Jill and Derick say they support the way Jill was raised and will raise the boys much the same way.

Could you share a link to where she states doesn't want to subject her own kids to the kind of childhood she had?

[graefin]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm curious where this info is. I've only heard Jill and Derick say they support the way Jill was raised and will raise the boys much the same way.

Could you share a link to where she states doesn't want to subject her own kids to the kind of childhood she had?

I said "might have involved realizing," meaning speculating based on my observations of her other behavior, notably that she's distanced herself from her parents somewhat and she's/they've acknowledged going to therapy and setting boundaries. She's already not raising her kids the way she was raised--Israel has been going to public school rather than being homeschooled, and is the first in the entire family to do so. That's not really a small departure in my mind, but I guess YMMV.

I think you're missing the larger point, though, which is that if she *isn't* relegating older brother to brother-dadding younger brother, it's nothing to criticize her for.

[SnapHappy]

3 hours ago, Nysha said:

Or maybe she doesn't care? I never have. 

Then why spend the money in the FIRST place for permanent dye?  

But now my interest in anything Jill related, including her hair, is long past.

Edited October 21, 2022 by SnapHappy

[Gemma Violet]

On 10/20/2022 at 10:48 AM, SnapHappy said:

Odd to judge her on?  Why not, as she does absolutely nothing of substance.  No job, no volunteering, no education, no personal growth, no contribution to her community. 

We don't really know what goes on behind closed doors in someone's home.  I don't do social media, but I'd hate to be judged by what photos are or aren't on social media.  

[auntieminem]

4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm curious where this info is. I've only heard Jill and Derick say they support the way Jill was raised and will raise the boys much the same way.

Could you share a link to where she states doesn't want to subject her own kids to the kind of childhood she had?

I have not seen where they say they support the way she was raised. I recall them talking about things when they are doing or planning on doing things differently.  Not everything but many things. I just went back to a couple of the Q&As where they talk about the superficial things like clothes and they also talked about raising a daughter to be independent (they said that for a son as well) wanted to help support them on their chosen path to become self sufficient adults. They talked about things that were prohibited for her growing up that they don't believe the same.  I didn't listen to all of the q&as so if they said they were supportive it was not in the ones I checked out. Maybe they did say something like that but her being in therapy would be an indicator that they are not so keen on her upbringing.  But in broader terms they want to live a faith based life which is what the Dugs claimed to be doing in the raising of their family. I doubt she would ever say my parents were awful and she probably enjoyed many things about her childhood.  She still does (or did a couple of years ago) hang onto the young earth belief of her childhood. 🙄 That is what happens when you Michelle in charge of your education.  

[GeeGolly]

4 minutes ago, auntieminem said:

I have not seen where they say they support the way she was raised. I recall them talking about things when they are doing or planning on doing things differently.  Not everything but many things. I just went back to a couple of the Q&As where they talk about the superficial things like clothes and they also talked about raising a daughter to be independent (they said that for a son as well) wanted to help support them on their chosen path to become self sufficient adults. They talked about things that were prohibited for her growing up that they don't believe the same.  I didn't listen to all of the q&as so if they said they were supportive it was not in the ones I checked out. Maybe they did say something like that but her being in therapy would be an indicator that they are not so keen on her upbringing.  But in broader terms they want to live a faith based life which is what the Dugs claimed to be doing in the raising of their family. I doubt she would ever say my parents were awful and she probably enjoyed many things about her childhood.  She still does (or did a couple of years ago) hang onto the young earth belief of her childhood. 🙄 That is what happens when you Michelle in charge of your education.  

Derick cleared up the whole therapy thing. Jill, Derick, Michelle and JB were offered short-term mediation therapy through a court. Jill and Derick went and that is where Jill learned about boundaries. Michelle and JB opted out.

What I got out of the Q&A videos was they would treat their adult kids like adults, so if they were over 18 (or maybe 21) they could have their own courtship rules.

[GeeGolly]

I've been reading, snarking and commenting here in the Duggars threads for many years, its seems to me commenting on the Duggar females' hair has been a thing since they have always made their hair a thing. From the sisters' book: "Our hairstyle is our choice, and we choose longer hair based on our understanding of 1 Corinthians 11:14-15" 

And what about the nonsensical word Michelle used, which I can't recall right now... but something about focusing on appearance from the neck up.

[GeeGolly]

Since this is the Jill thread, lets not forget her considering dreads.

[lookeyloo]

6 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I've been reading, snarking and commenting here in the Duggars threads for many years, its seems to me commenting on the Duggar females' hair has been a thing since they have always made their hair a thing. From the sisters' book: "Our hairstyle is our choice, and we choose longer hair based on our understanding of 1 Corinthians 11:14-15" 

And what about the nonsensical word Michelle used, which I can't recall right now... but something about focusing on appearance from the neck up.

Countenance?  It is a running joke between me and 19 year old granddaughter when I remind her to use sunscreen to protect her "countenance" -

[Salacious Kitty]

2 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

Countenance?  It is a running joke between me and 19 year old granddaughter when I remind her to use sunscreen to protect her "countenance" -

That was the first word that I thought of as well. But I don't have any funny anecdotes about it. 😀

[sagittarius sue]

As fundies are concerned that attention to a woman should be directed upwards to her countenance, one would expect that shoulder-length hair would be best for that, not hair that flops over and around her breasts.

[madpsych78]

I still think Jill would look good in dreads though. Especially in her natural hair color and with a headband or a scarf wrapped over her head.

[Twopper]

On 10/7/2022 at 8:32 AM, GeeGolly said:

The Duggar spelling lists probably looked like this:

• shalt
• thee
• ye
• thou
• Jesus
• fire
• hast
• hath
• hell
• brethren
• cleaveth
• thine
• servant
• saith

Oops, forgot one - bankruptcy 

And also perpendicular ! Oh,never mind. Someone beat me to it 

Edited October 22, 2022 by Twopper

[Cinnabon]

38 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

I still think Jill would look good in dreads though. Especially in her natural hair color and with a headband or a scarf wrapped over her head.

I think so, too.

[GeeGolly]

3 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

Countenance?  It is a running joke between me and 19 year old granddaughter when I remind her to use sunscreen to protect her "countenance" -

Yes! Thank-you. Michelle, Jill and her sisters talked about why they paid so much attention to their hair and make-up, because - countenance. 🤣

[awaken]

10 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

Countenance?  It is a running joke between me and 19 year old granddaughter when I remind her to use sunscreen to protect her "countenance" -

10 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

That was the first word that I thought of as well. But I don't have any funny anecdotes about it. 😀

I have a funny anecdote!  One time on these boards someone called it Michelle’s continence, rather than countenance!  😂

[Zella]

24 minutes ago, awaken said:

I have a funny anecdote!  One time on these boards someone called it Michelle’s continence, rather than countenance!  😂

To be fair, incontinence could really affect one's countenance. . . . 😁

Edited October 23, 2022 by Zella

[Salacious Kitty]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

To be fair, incontinence could really affect one's countenance. . . . 😁

And after having 19 kids, Meech's bladder is probably shot. Explains a lot. 😀

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[ginger90]

[Mindthinkr]

I love the way the whole family showed support by wearing their Orange OK shirts including the baby with his leggings. I’m happy to see them all smiling. 

[Scarlett45]

46 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

I love the way the whole family showed support by wearing their Orange OK shirts including the baby with his leggings. I’m happy to see them all smiling. 

That was very cute.

[GeeGolly]

Wow, they take this seriously. It looks as though all former Pistol Petes are wearing the same thing, down to their belt buckles.

[oliviabenson]

I was expecting YAY ! from Jill lol

[StaceyNotStacie]

That was a nice family picture. Izzy is getting tall. He will be taller than Jill in a few years. 

[GeeGolly]

I can just hear them walking around saying, and here's Pistol Pete, #107, #110 and #115.

[Zella]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I can just hear them walking around saying, and here's Pistol Pete, #107, #110 and #115.

All the Repetes. 😂😂😂😂😂

[oliviabenson]

Since Derek is so proud of have been a PP I think all his sons will finish public school. 
 

Derek is what 6’5. He is very tall.

[Scarlett45]

1 hour ago, oliviabenson said:

Since Derek is so proud of have been a PP I think all his sons will finish public school. 
 

Derek is what 6’5. He is very tall.

I think Jill is on the shorter side, Derrick is about 6 feet even. None of the Duggar women are particularly tall. (I consider taller than 5'8/9 tall for a woman)

[madpsych78]

1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

I think Jill is on the shorter side, Derrick is about 6 feet even. None of the Duggar women are particularly tall. (I consider taller than 5'8/9 tall for a woman)

Jill's the tallest of the Duggar daughters. I think she's 5'7", so not short by any means, but probably on the taller end of average. She's not as tall as Deanna, Dan's wife.

[Absolom]

Derick according the internet is 6'2"  

[Salacious Kitty]

12 minutes ago, Absolom said:

Derick according the internet is 6'2"  

I want to say he's 6'3". Could be 6'2", but no shorter than that. His brother Dan is even taller, and his wife Deena is around 5'10". They are a tall people. 😀