Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[JoanArc]

Ok Jill, get to it. Announce baby Judea!

[sometimesy]

Jill has 1.5 million followers on instagram. If 1% of them gave $1 per month = 15,000 per month tax free. (is that math right?)

-No accountability/transparency.

-They are in an impoverished nation.

-Liiving relatively cheap.

-Doing a mingling mission.

-While being paid by TLC.

At least they didn't name their kid Spurgeon.

[sometimesy]

 

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It's kinda funny considering Jill's new nephew's name.

[Patricia07]

What do Derick and Jill actually call Izzy?  Do they just call him Israel?  And the rest of the family, too?

[JoanArc]

 

Jill has 1.5 million followers on instagram. If 1% of them gave $1 per month = 15,000 per month tax free. (is that math right?)

Or say, 3,000 people giving $5/month. Doesn't take much grift to live large in Guatemala. They'll be back soon though, I'm sure.

[barbedwire]

https://instagram.com/p/9_6BYgQGz6/?utm_content=buffer22c15&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

Hope that link works.  Maybe they could be supplying toothbrushes in Guatemala.

[louannems]

https://instagram.com/p/-FNvQzLs_t/

long, skinny arms guide Izzy's first steps.

[kokapetl]

They look like Madonna's arms.

[BrianJ62]

Jill has 1.5 million followers on instagram. If 1% of them gave $1 per month = 15,000 per month tax free. (is that math right?)

-No accountability/transparency.

-They are in an impoverished nation.

-Liiving relatively cheap.

-Doing a mingling mission.

-While being paid by TLC.

At least they didn't name their kid Spurgeon.

Straight Out Of Tontitown

[poopchute]

Holy shit are those Derrick's arms?!? Are we sure he isn't ill? I would feel bad talking about how absolutely hideous he is if he's sick with a deadly disease.

[queenanne]

Izzy's looking cute though.  Good profile.

[JoanArc]

Holy shit are those Derrick's arms?!? Are we sure he isn't ill? I would feel bad talking about how absolutely hideous he is if he's sick with a deadly disease.

Duggaritis. It's terminal.

[BuddyMom]

Oh dear god. Can you imagine those arms reaching out to you for some "sweet fellowship" in the middle of the night? That is what nightmares are made of.

[iwadrade]

jillmdillard2 years ago I traveled to Nepal with my dad to meet the sweetest most caring and amazing man ever! @derickdillard
I love you with all my ❤ babe! Leaving there and knowing I wasn't gonna get to see you for 60 days was so hard! Many nights I cried myself to sleep hugging your t-shirt! (Anyone who has been in a long distance relationship knows what I'm saying! ;-) So blessed to get to spend the rest of my forever with you mi amor! ❤

 

Jills most recent Instagram post. She had to be away from Derrick for a whole 60 days after knowing him for about a week. It was tragic!!!!!!! They sound so damn spoiled, even though I know they didn't grow up in a wealthy home. People have to spend months away from their spouses in the armed services, or because they can only find work in another state. They are just gross.

[Chicklet]

They might be gross but I think this just shows Muffin's huge case of immaturity. She's operating with a middle school mindset. Maybe Jana has grown up a little or maybe she's just quiet. Probably the whole family is equally immature.

[FakeJoshDuggar]

60 days? Maybe Jilly Muffin should spend some time with military wives instead of insisting on this stupid poverty tour.

[BrianJ62]

Ok Jill, get to it. Announce baby Judea!

Or Judas Iscariot?

Edited November 15, 2015 by BrianJ62

[Churchhoney]

 

They might be gross but I think this just shows Muffin's huge case of immaturity. She's operating with a middle school mindset. Maybe Jana has grown up a little or maybe she's just quiet. Probably the whole family is equally immature.

 

 

I think it's more than the immaturity, too.

 

Because their living patterns are so unusual, it's easy to forget that these people grew up in a family in which husband, wife and all the kids (even Grandma) might as well be sewn together. They're together all the time. Nobody ever goes out without others in their company, father doesn't seem to go out to work much and when he does it seems likely he takes a bunch of people with him, kids don't go to different schools or even into different classrooms, almost nobody goes out to work at any place other than home and when they do they haul along a sibling or two or a parent as an "accountability partner," etc. And they also are preached at constantly that this is the way that things should be. There's a level of togetherness and enmeshment and so on in their lifestyle that's just off the charts compared to the way most people live. So they find it literally unthinkable to be doing things as individuals or to be alone in a house or whatever. It just doesn't happen in the world they've always known. And they believe that it's unnatural and wrong for people to be on their own. I don't think it's at all surprising that they fear aloneness and separation. It'd be more surprising if they didn't, given the way the family lives and its beliefs.

Edited November 15, 2015 by Churchhoney

[BradandJanet]

I think it's more than the immaturity, too.

 

Because their living patterns are so unusual, it's easy to forget that these people grew up in a family in which husband, wife and all the kids (even Grandma) might as well be sewn together. They're together all the time. Nobody ever goes out without others in their company, father doesn't seem to go out to work much and when he does it seems likely he takes a bunch of people with him, kids don't go to different schools or even into different classrooms, almost nobody goes out to work at any place other than home and when they do they haul along a sibling or two or a parent as an "accountability partner," etc. And they also are preached at constantly that this is the way that things should be. There's a level of togetherness and enmeshment and so on in their lifestyle that's just off the charts compared to the way most people live. So they find it literally unthinkable to be doing things as individuals or to be alone in a house or whatever. It just doesn't happen in the world they've always known. And they believe that it's unnatural and wrong for people to be on their own. I don't think it's at all surprising that they fear aloneness and separation. It'd be more surprising if they didn't, given the way the family lives and its beliefs.

Enmeshment is the key word for these people. Becoming an adult is the process of separating. Nothing like that in the Duggar cult. Nineteen kids been denied the right to grow up. 

[Ljohnson1987]

Breaking DIllard news!

 

 

Israel is crawling. Yep. Magazines felt the need to tell us this.

[GeeGolly]

Enmeshment is the key word for these people. Becoming an adult is the process of separating. Nothing like that in the Duggar cult. Nineteen kids been denied the right to grow up. 

So true. And on top of that, whether a male or female they are handed off from a parent to a spouse. So sad for the newlyweds - they never get a chance to try out their wings.

[MargeGunderson]

I think it's more than the immaturity, too.

 

Because their living patterns are so unusual, it's easy to forget that these people grew up in a family in which husband, wife and all the kids (even Grandma) might as well be sewn together. They're together all the time. Nobody ever goes out without others in their company, father doesn't seem to go out to work much and when he does it seems likely he takes a bunch of people with him, kids don't go to different schools or even into different classrooms, almost nobody goes out to work at any place other than home and when they do they haul along a sibling or two or a parent as an "accountability partner," etc. And they also are preached at constantly that this is the way that things should be. There's a level of togetherness and enmeshment and so on in their lifestyle that's just off the charts compared to the way most people live. So they find it literally unthinkable to be doing things as individuals or to be alone in a house or whatever. It just doesn't happen in the world they've always known. And they believe that it's unnatural and wrong for people to be on their own. I don't think it's at all surprising that they fear aloneness and separation. It'd be more surprising if they didn't, given the way the family lives and its beliefs.

All of the togetherness is just another way to ensure that no one has an original thought or questions accepted beliefs. It's a narrow, fearful worldview that is self-reinforcing.

[GeeGolly]

Breaking DIllard news!

 

 

Israel is crawling. Yep. Magazines felt the need to tell us this.

Who knew that babies around 6 months old crawl?!

[Joe Jitsu913]

Enmeshment is the key word for these people. Becoming an adult is the process of separating. Nothing like that in the Duggar cult. Nineteen kids been denied the right to grow up.

Jim Bob and Michelle's "parenting" is emotional blackmail/incest at it's finest. Michelle is the biggest blackmailer of all.

[Wellfleet]

Enmeshment is the key word for these people. Becoming an adult is the process of separating. Nothing like that in the Duggar cult. Nineteen kids been denied the right to grow up. 

 

Oh, they'll get the opportunity all right. Sadly though, it won't happen until Boob is gone. I think the loss of Me-chelle will not come close to the same level of "aftermath" and adjustment for the kids. Let's face it, she's not a very involved parent - in many cases, she's barely been involved at all. But the Last of Boob will be traumatic in ways we can't guess, and very different from the way things are when a mature child loses a parent.

[BrianJ62]

Breaking news would be if one or more of kids took off in the middle of the night.

[BradandJanet]

Oh, they'll get the opportunity all right. Sadly though, it won't happen until Boob is gone. I think the loss of Me-chelle will not come close to the same level of "aftermath" and adjustment for the kids. Let's face it, she's not a very involved parent - in many cases, she's barely been involved at all. But the Last of Boob will be traumatic in ways we can't guess, and very different from the way things are when a mature child loses a parent.

 

It will be like conquering a drug addiction. Boob is the core of this dysfunction, and Mechelle is the ultimate enabler. Some of these kids will never grow up, even when the parents are gone. Others will survive and perhaps even make an adult life of their own. It won't be easy or complete for any of them.

 

I often wonder who the leghumpers are who champion this family. Some may be fundie girls who have access to social media, but more, I suspect, are lonely young adults who see an idealized family they have had. It's very sad because the Duggars are not a healthy family . 

[JoanArc]

Every time this page loads!

 

[riverblue22]

Jill crying herself to sleep after spending a few days with Derick?  Sounds to me like she gave away a big old hunk of her heart to the guy, and before she was married or even engaged.  Isn't their wonderful system supposed to prevent that?

[Churchhoney]

Jill crying herself to sleep after spending a few days with Derick?  Sounds to me like she gave away a big old hunk of her heart to the guy, and before she was married or even engaged.  Isn't their wonderful system supposed to prevent that?

 

Yeah, according to the absolutely baseless theory they use to describe their system. But since their system is really just made up out of whole cloth as an additional way to control and limit people, it ends up having the exact opposite effect of what their pretend theory suggests it will (as anybody who actually thought it through for half a second would figure out).

 

It's so ironic that they busily forbid fantasy when literally everything they preach is total fantasy, based on nothing but Jim Boob's and Gothard's desire to run other people's lives for their own purposes and their own delectation.

 

Truly, these kids have just about no chance of comprehending reality at all, after what they've been told about it. If a handful of them are really smart, maybe in time they can figure out how nonsensical the stuff is that they've been basing their lives on. But so far no Duggar kid looks very smart at all.

Edited November 16, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Sew Sumi]

Now, Jill says that they had a LDR. Weren't they COURTING? DIdn't they make a big deal about just this point, like, over and over and over and over again? How long until Muffy talks about her first "date?" Jessa has already done this; funny how they can co-opt normal people-speak when it suits them. In these cases, it's entirely to stay relevant, and maybe even a little, dare I say it, hip. 

 

As for Muffy's writing: yet another F. She starts off with a list that has no commas, and it goes downhill from there. :D

[Albanyguy]

"So blessed to get to spend the rest of my forever with you mi amor!"

 

Wow, those Spanish lessons are really paying off!

[Joe Jitsu913]

Don't you have to be in an actual, romantic relationship with someone in order to have a long distance relationship? I thought courting was just getting to know someone? Skyping with Mommy and Daddy babysitting you nearby doesn't mean shit. How can that even be considered romantic? Sorry, Jilly Muffin, but that's not a relationship. When it comes down to it, Derick was the the only person that made Jill tingly "down there" and she LUSTED after him. How sinful! But bitch is delusional as hell and considers this LOVE.

[SomePity1066]

Yeah, according to the absolutely baseless theory they use to describe their system. But since their system is really just made up out of whole cloth as an additional way to control and limit people, it ends up having the exact opposite effect of what their pretend theory suggests it will (as anybody who actually thought it through for half a second would figure out).

 

It's so ironic that they busily forbid fantasy when literally everything they preach is total fantasy, based on nothing but Jim Boob's and Gothard's desire to run other people's lives for their own purposes and their own delectation.

 

Truly, these kids have just about no chance of comprehending reality at all, after what they've been told about it. If a handful of them are really smart, maybe in time they can figure out how nonsensical the stuff is that they've been basing their lives on. But so far no Duggar kid looks very smart at all.

They're all just making shit up as they go along, and then changing the rules as it suits them ! For something that they crow about endlessly it's a mystery to even THEM. It's courting, not dating, but it's a relationship, but it's not. You're courting, not dating, so you don't give away pieces of your heart, unless, of course, you do, and then you're no longer courting, but because you weren't dating then you still have your heart. Or you don't. Or something. 

 

Now, Jill says that they had a LDR. Weren't they COURTING? DIdn't they make a big deal about just this point, like, over and over and over and over again? How long until Muffy talks about her first "date?" Jessa has already done this; funny how they can co-opt normal people-speak when it suits them. In these cases, it's entirely to stay relevant, and maybe even a little, dare I say it, hip. 

 

As for Muffy's writing: yet another F. She starts off with a list that has no commas, and it goes downhill from there. :D

I know, right ?!?! I love your use of the word "co-opt" here ! It's like they say they are stalwart and faithful in their ways, planting their hands on their hips and stomp their feet to declare that THIS is the way they are, the righteous, Godly way, blah, blah, blah, but in order to avoid being too "out there" they slyly populate their social media postings with words and phrases that any "normal" 20 year-old would use. If they're not reading their own press obsessively and then responding as F.U. Internetz at every turn I will eat my hat ! 

 

Adding insult to injury is, as you noted, the atrocious grammar and phrasing. The Dillard Family Blog reads like the diary of a tween, and I think that's actually insulting to tweens. 

 

Is it just me, or is Jill replicating, for whatever reason, Michelle's pop-eyed, googley stare ? In the last few photos of her that I've seen she has that look that Michelle has perfected - as the comedian Dennis Miller put it in the late 90s - "freshly tasered"...

[Sew Sumi]

Jill is only mimicking what she knows, and unfortunately, her "motherly" role model is Mechelle. 

 

As for courting/dating/whatever the fuck they're calling it this week, the Duggar Goal Posts keep shifting. I can't keep their rules straight anymore. 

[kokapetl]

jillmdillard2 years ago I traveled to Nepal with my dad to meet the sweetest most caring and amazing man ever! @derickdillard

I love you with all my ❤ babe! Leaving there and knowing I wasn't gonna get to see you for 60 days was so hard! Many nights I cried myself to sleep hugging your t-shirt! (Anyone who has been in a long distance relationship knows what I'm saying! ;-) So blessed to get to spend the rest of my forever with you mi amor! ❤

Jills most recent Instagram post. She had to be away from Derrick for a whole 60 days after knowing him for about a week. It was tragic!!!!!!! They sound so damn spoiled, even though I know they didn't grow up in a wealthy home. People have to spend months away from their spouses in the armed services, or because they can only find work in another state. They are just gross.

I wonder if Jill had anything to do with Derick resigning from Walmart. She was making three round trips to Walmart HQ each day to spend as much time with him as she could and but I don't think it was enough for her.

[Tabbygirl521]

I would just like to advise Jill that periods and exclamation points are not the same thing.

[Sew Sumi]

Well, look at the person who marginally taught her kids English. THAT one is 49 years old and still dots her I's with little hearts. 

[kalamac]

Can you imagine having to be one of the other girls, trying to sleep in that hideous shared room, while Jill sniveled into a t-shirt all night, because she was lonely for a guy she barely knew.

[cmr2014]

I wonder if Jill had anything to do with Derick resigning from Walmart. She was making three round trips to Walmart HQ each day to spend as much time with him as she could and but I don't think it was enough for her.

 

I think that Jill had everything to do with Derick resigning (or being fired) from WalMart. It's not just that Jill is a clingy, needy, tween, it's that this is part of the Gothard lifestyle. Men are supposed to work for themselves, not corporations. At WalMart. Derick was not able to have an "accountbility partner" breathing down his neck every second that he was away from Jill.

 

I also think that the weird disconnect between the "not giving away pieces of your heart" courting relationship and the reminiscenses of their (less than two year old) "love story" are pure Gothard-speak, too. When they are "courting" they are in a competition to prove how spiritual and non-physical their relationships are. Once they are married, it's a new competition to prove how romantic their "love story" is and how deeply in love they are. This allows those of us who do not follow their ways to truly understand how inferior we are, and how hopelessly inferior our own "love stories" really are.

 

I think that this is part of the Gothard playbook where young women are encouraged -- especially when they are not particularly happy in their relationship -- to publically state how wonderful and Godly their spouse is, and how lucky they are to have such an amazing "headship."

[JoanArc]

Well, look at the person who marginally taught her kids English. THAT one is 49 years old and still dots her I's with little hearts. 

A little cross would be holier.

[Micks Picks]

As I recall most of us were posting a lot about the neediness of Jill and the driving him to and from work and going there for lunch as well.  I can think of a lot of names for Derick that we implied he was, including one that means a cat.  We couldn't believe he didn't tell her to get off his back.  We smirked at how ridiculous it must have seemed to his co-workers.  We speculated he spent most of his time texting.  We made fun of her dependent, teensy behavior, and we were amazed that Derick got so much time off.  GEML had it all worked out that he didn't really take that much time off, but despite her calculations, I'm sure he did.  Nothing he did in his year of work ever struck me as being normal.  If I had the opportunity to sack his ass, I would have.  Grow up Derick.   

[cmr2014]

As I recall most of us were posting a lot about the neediness of Jill and the driving him to and from work and going there for lunch as well.  I can think of a lot of names for Derick that we implied he was, including one that means a cat.  We couldn't believe he didn't tell her to get off his back.  We smirked at how ridiculous it must have seemed to his co-workers.  We speculated he spent most of his time texting.  We made fun of her dependent, teensy behavior, and we were amazed that Derick got so much time off.  GEML had it all worked out that he didn't really take that much time off, but despite her calculations, I'm sure he did.  Nothing he did in his year of work ever struck me as being normal.  If I had the opportunity to sack his ass, I would have.  Grow up Derick.   

 

I agree. If I had been Derick's supervisor, I would have been looking for every possible reason to like him, since I probably would have known his mother and wanted him to do well. But instead of working hard and trying to make a good impression, Derick took every possible vacation day, and took advantage of every possible bit of goodwill I might have had for him. His job seemed to be something that interferred with his filming time and his photo-shoot time, and I would have lost patience long before his first anniversary. If he wasn't fired, he would have been at the top of my short list of people who could be let go if the company wanted to lay off employees.

[Darknight]

Imagine if Jilly Muffin had her heart broken. Jill has the mind of a 12yo. The fun die lifestyle did nothing for her. Now imagine if God forbid derrick dies or divorces her. What will she do? What if derrick was in the army, or policeman? He would be away a lot.

[GeeGolly]

Now, Jill says that they had a LDR. Weren't they COURTING? DIdn't they make a big deal about just this point, like, over and over and over and over again? How long until Muffy talks about her first "date?" Jessa has already done this; funny how they can co-opt normal people-speak when it suits them. In these cases, it's entirely to stay relevant, and maybe even a little, dare I say it, hip. 

 

As for Muffy's writing: yet another F. She starts off with a list that has no commas, and it goes downhill from there. :D

Well considering the Duggar 19 can't mature past teenage-hood, there is really no such thing as courting. Even before the courting stage, the minute dad says it is okay to smile at each other, the girls are upstairs writing their names with their suitors last names and hearts all over the page. It's just not realistic.

 

And, I'm curious to know how Jill even knows the phrase - long distance relationship - even exists. It's not like she just strung those words together naturally.

[satrunrose]

This is just one more post that underlines my complete confusion about "courting". These are arranged marriages. We know they're arranged, and yet all of the folks in them are somehow obligated to blog ad nauseum (emphasis on the nausea) about how 110%-over-the-moon-you-sinners-especially-teh-gays-could-never-possibly-understand in love they are. Is it the teenage mentality that the cult encourages? Over the top delight in finally being able to acknowledge sexual impulses? I'm lost here. 

[madfortv]

I used to catch the show for a few minutes while channel changing, and always found something off about it. To have such a strong reaction that she cried herself to sleep almost every night, Jill must have been very lonely. I can't imagine such a controlled life; one where I would not be allowed to read what books I want or go shopping when I want, or to make and meet friends or make any of my own decisions. No wonder she was so lonely and clingy. It is very sad.

Edited November 16, 2015 by madfortv

[Purpose to defraud]

Can you imagine having to be one of the other girls, trying to sleep in that hideous shared room, while Jill sniveled into a t-shirt all night, because she was lonely for a guy she barely knew.

Dull as their lives are, they may have all enjoyed the drama.

[Churchhoney]

Don't you have to be in an actual, romantic relationship with someone in order to have a long distance relationship? I thought courting was just getting to know someone? Skyping with Mommy and Daddy babysitting you nearby doesn't mean shit. How can that even be considered romantic? Sorry, Jilly Muffin, but that's not a relationship. When it comes down to it, Derick was the the only person that made Jill tingly "down there" and she LUSTED after him. How sinful! But bitch is delusional as hell and considers this LOVE.

 

Yeah, but the Duggar kids have no way of knowing that. They don't have any friends to talk to, except a few "long distance relationship" "friends" that they see super-occasionally (with full chaperonage) who have been brainwashed into the same delusions they have, they don't read or explore the internet or watch tv or movies, and since birth they've been constantly pumped full of the notion that their parents' way actually is what love and relationships are all about. Plus, their family has been given a prominent tv show -- and they've been told by their parents that this is because of how wonderful their "principles" are and how important to God it is that these ideas be spread across the world -- and they have at least hundreds of thousands of fans who are constantly writing on the internet about how the Duggar way is the perfect way and God's way.  Plus, as I think has been clearly established by now, they (or at least the ones we've seen attain teenagerhood and beyond at this point) just aren't very bright. So how would they ever know that this stuff they believe is wrong? Yeah, Jill is delusional, but I find it really difficult -- impossible, actually -- to blame her for that. Under the circumstances, I don't see how she could possibly be otherwise.

Edited November 16, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Churchhoney]

This is just one more post that underlines my complete confusion about "courting". These are arranged marriages. We know they're arranged, and yet all of the folks in them are somehow obligated to blog ad nauseum (emphasis on the nausea) about how 110%-over-the-moon-you-sinners-especially-teh-gays-could-never-possibly-understand in love they are. Is it the teenage mentality that the cult encourages? Over the top delight in finally being able to acknowledge sexual impulses? I'm lost here. 

 

I think that it's the over the top delight you mention, plus the fact that these people are very very young-teenager-like because they're so sheltered from the world and so focused on purity and are required to see everything in black and white, plus the idea that when you're in one of these godly arrangements it's your duty to loudly advertise to the world how great and perfect it is so that everybody else will know and realize that they should follow suit.

 

The carrying on about the relationships doesn't strike me as being much different from the equally over-the-top endless carrying on they do about all their other little Gothard-y stuff, like the endless harping about everything being a new "precious" "season of life" and how every single one of them has a "heart for the Lord" and a "servant's heart." They never talk about anything normally. Pretty much every topic has some saccharine, over-the-top phrases attached to it that they just say over and over and over again. Like the 100-percent interchangeable and yet still ridiculously overblown birthday wishes they give. I doubt that any of them is even capable of normal talk about anything. They've certainly never heard normal talk. And they're constantly coached and pushed to talk just like their parents -- and the wonderful leaders at the various Gothard-indoctrination camps -- I'm sure.