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Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

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hoosier80
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New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
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Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

doodlebug
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Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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Quilt Fairy

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15 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

If one wanted to see records of the jail where the Family Felon is currently being detained, that request would be governed by the Arkansas state law on access to open/public records. I used to work in state and local government so I got used to having to point people to the right law (our state law) if they were spouting quotations from the federal FOIA - which didn't apply to us. 

Also, even using a state process, I find it hard to believe that she's already got records dated as recently as 12/27.  I doubt someone in the jail was thinking "Yeah, I'm gonna jump right on that" in the middle of a holiday week with potentially lower levels of staffing.  In fact, many of the purely administrative staff may be on vacation this week. 

The interesting thing is, if you go to the jail's website, there are many records freely and easily available on-line.  But nothing like what what's-her-name says she has. 

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ginger90

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2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Interesting, Josh wasn't put in his current cell until the 22nd and the calls totaled roughly around $50.00. It looks more like 9 visits on 9 days, with interruptions in some of the visits.

I think that’s  where he was escorted to for the calls, not necessarily where he’s housed. One was in booking, long after he would have been there.

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Jeanne222

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Since I watch Love After Lockup I’m pretty knowledgeable about prison stuff!!!

Lots of money sent to the commissary account means good eating for the inmate. 

They have a ‘library on wheels’ with books to choose from. 

Most important those phone calls between Josh and Anna are monitored and recorded. 

Can hardly wait for WOCB lady to get those transcripts!

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Gemma Violet

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I wonder if the reason Anna is the only family member who has contacted him is because she is the only one who believes he is innocent, or is it because JB only wants to pay for one person to call and she is chosen because she's the wife.  But it's strange that even if only one or two siblings still support Josh, you'd think those one or two would pay a couple bucks to make a short call. Or has JB put out the word that only Anna will call and therefore they obey?  Or maybe they figured the call list would become public and they didn't want their names attached.  It's just strange that not even JB and Michelle have called, or Jed, who supposedly still supports him.

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coconspirator

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13 minutes ago, Gemma Violet said:

I wonder if the reason Anna is the only family member who has contacted him is because she is the only one who believes he is innocent, or is it because JB only wants to pay for one person to call and she is chosen because she's the wife.  But it's strange that even if only one or two siblings still support Josh, you'd think those one or two would pay a couple bucks to make a short call. Or has JB put out the word that only Anna will call and therefore they obey?  Or maybe they figured the call list would become public and they didn't want their names attached.  It's just strange that not even JB and Michelle have called, or Jed, who supposedly still supports him.

It's possible JB or Michelle are in the room when she does her video calls with Josh. Her name is the one that is logged because it's her account. She may also have two calls a day to allow the older kids to be part of one of them. 

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EVS

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I remember reading, either up thread or on Reddit, that the number of adults and children allowed even on video calls is limited. If those records are accurate, maybe it takes 2 calls each time for all 5 of the oldest kids to be able to talk to their dad?

Eta: looks like coconspirator posted the same thought about the kids while I was typing. I also wondered if other Duggar adults joined Anna’s calls so they could talk to Josh anonymously. 

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Gemma Violet

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38 minutes ago, coconspirator said:

It's possible JB or Michelle are in the room when she does her video calls with Josh. Her name is the one that is logged because it's her account. She may also have two calls a day to allow the older kids to be part of one of them. 

I read somewhere that only the person whose name is on the log can be on the call.  [Of course, as you said, presumably someone could be in (another part of) the room listening in.]  But if anyone besides Anna is on camera or speaks to the inmate, I think the permissions can be revoked.

ETA:  WOACB says two adults can be in on the call.

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CalicoKitty

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2 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Since I watch Love After Lockup I’m pretty knowledgeable about prison stuff!!!

Lots of money sent to the commissary account means good eating for the inmate. 

They have a ‘library on wheels’ with books to choose from. 

Most important those phone calls between Josh and Anna are monitored and recorded. 

Can hardly wait for WOCB lady to get those transcripts!

I have a librarian friend who took a part-time job pushing the book cart at the county jail.  She said it was very scary, even with a guard with her.  She said the noise and cat calls when she came onto the unit were horrible.  She quit after she got ejaculate on her pant leg through the bars of a cell.  As much as she believes in reading, she decided there were easier ways of earning extra money.  This was county jail, not a federal prison.  I don't picture Josh as being a big reader or a deep thinker.  I'm guessing, based on the quality of his "education", that his reading level is not too high.

1 hour ago, Jeanne222 said:

Doesn’t Anna have seven young children and babies to take care of?

She seems to have a lot of time for sex pest!

Who’s watching the kids??? 

The kids don't matter as much as her husband.  The headship comes first in their marriage.

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YupItsMe

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If they convinced themselves that Josh wouldn’t be convicted, Anna may really need to talk to him. She may be having to deal with financial, legal and medical things that she needs to consult him on.

I really hope, though, that she’s using the time to ream him out.

ETA: If I read it correctly there was a 6 day span where she didn’t call. (?)

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CalicoKitty

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I really doubt that Anna has any independence on any legal, medical or financial decisions.  I don't think that is in her job description.  Her "headship" takes care of everything.  With Josh "away", that would make JB her headship with control over her life.  From what I understand, wives are subject to their headship in all things.  My guess that all these phone calls are filled with Josh telling her how unfair the judgement is and that he did not do anything wrong.

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merylinkid

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Anna is calling so much for the same reason she was over at the Rebers constantly.   Serving Josh is all she knows.   As long as she has unlimited funds to call him, she is going to.   

The others aren't calling because they are mad the Pyrite Child ruined everything for them.   Even Ma and Pa Idiot know their brand is ruined forever.   Who is going to give them MOTY awards and listen to them as the ONLY RIGHT WAY to live.   The kids wouldn't even think of calling because it would involve empathy.   As someone noted in one of the threads, this family has ZERO empathy.   So thinking of helping their brother through a rough time would literally not cross their minds.   

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GeeGolly

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I would guess any siblings who have talked with Anna tell her to tell Josh they're praying for him. It doesn't seem any of the 19 interact much outside of the TTH gatherings, in everyday life, so I can't imagine them lining up to talk to Josh now. Maybe the ones who support him more than with prayer (if any do) will visit with him once he's in prison.

 

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CalicoKitty

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Did Josh have a close relationship with any of his siblings?  I always got the feeling that that he felt sort of superior to the others.  He always seemed to have that smug attitude, and did seem to get special attention from his parents.  I just wonder how much support he will get from the others.  It will be interesting to see who, if any, of the others will visit because they want to, not because he is "their brother" or are told to.

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58 minutes ago, Absolom said:

I wouldn't call him because I'd be afraid that all do is either rail at him for what he'd done or be unsympathetic (joyful) that he'd gotten caught and found guilty.  

I'd have a hard time not repeating the greatest hits from the trial back to him. 

"Has someone been downloading child porn?"

"I'm not going to allow that. Are you going to allow that?"

"I'm too dumb to use the internet because I was homeschooled by Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar!" 

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Minivanessa

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And I believe all the calls (video or not) are monitored. Probably recorded. 

After he's sentenced, the Family Felon will of course be taken to a federal prison. I found some information online from the federal Bureau of Prisons. I didn't dig into the info, but it seems there will be limits on opportunities for Anna to have video or phone calls with her [At Least I Have A] Husband.™ And, as has been mentioned in this discussion, there are no conjugal visits for inmates in the federal Bureau of Prisons.

The page with information on how COVID-19 affects inmate visitation and transport - https://www.bop.gov/coronavirus/covid19_status.jsp - was last updated more than a year ago, but I suspect some if not all those measures are still in place.  For legal geeks, I found a page in the Federal Register for an emergency rule adopted by the BOP in June 2020, allowing prisoners free-of-charge video visits, because the pandemic ruled out in person visits. I don't know the status of that at this time.

Overview of prisoners' communication with outsiders: https://www.bop.gov/inmates/communications.jsp

Overview of in person visits: https://www.bop.gov/inmates/visiting.jsp

COVID-19 Main Page: https://www.bop.gov/coronavirus/index.jsp and operational guide: https://www.bop.gov/coronavirus/covid19_modified_operations_guide.jsp

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Tikichick

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16 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Since I watch Love After Lockup I’m pretty knowledgeable about prison stuff!!!

Lots of money sent to the commissary account means good eating for the inmate. 

They have a ‘library on wheels’ with books to choose from. 

Most important those phone calls between Josh and Anna are monitored and recorded. 

Can hardly wait for WOCB lady to get those transcripts!

All court hearings aren't even transcribed because it would be time and cost prohibitive, let alone all inmate phone calls.   It can and is done sometimes, usually because something being discussed is being brought before a judge, but those instances are incredibly limited.

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Minivanessa

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6 minutes ago, Tikichick said:

All court hearings aren't even transcribed because it would be time and cost prohibitive, let alone all inmate phone calls.   It can and is done sometimes, usually because something being discussed is being brought before a judge, but those instances are incredibly limited.

Also, I doubt that the recordings (or transcripts if any) of detainee phone calls would be considered public records. There are many types of records maintained by public agencies that are not available for public inspection, including active law enforcement investigation files, records containing sensitive information about individuals and businesses, etc. The recordings are there if needed for jail operations or investigations of crimes, for use of the public agencies involved, but I'd be surprised if the content of the conversations would be available for public inspection.

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9 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

Also, I doubt that the recordings (or transcripts if any) of detainee phone calls would be considered public records. There are many types of records maintained by public agencies that are not available for public inspection, including active law enforcement investigation files, records containing sensitive information about individuals and businesses, etc. The recordings are there if needed for jail operations or investigations of crimes, for use of the public agencies involved, but I'd be surprised if the content of the conversations would be available for public inspection.

I agree.  Visitor logs are one thing, but the actual content of the visits is a step too far.  There really is no pressing reason for the public to know what is said between a prisoner and his/her minor children.  Prisoners still have rights like attorney-client privilege and the seal of the confessional.   

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15 hours ago, YupItsMe said:

If they convinced themselves that Josh wouldn’t be convicted, Anna may really need to talk to him. She may be having to deal with financial, legal and medical things that she needs to consult him on.

I really hope, though, that she’s using the time to ream him out.

ETA: If I read it correctly there was a 6 day span where she didn’t call. (?)

There’s the Gothard world and the real world. In the real world a spouse doesn’t need permission from the other spouse to make medical, financial, and other decisions for their children. I’ve made many medical care decisions without my husband present.

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