Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[sue450]

5 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

A good mother wouldn't chose a pedophile over her children. She could get help if she really wanted to. It would be difficult, but women in her position have done it. I just watched something on ID about a woman in a horribly abusive marriage. She tried once and he had the house bugged. She found the bugs. She finally did it and got her kids out of there. It ended tragically when her new husband was killed by the Ex, but in the end, her kids were safe. 

 

that was a bad situation was she raised in  in super fundy  l family,  Bill gothards teachings say that you NEVER leave..if a woman leaves terrible thing will happen ( she or her children will be murdered)   Gothard told a woman he groomed that she should THANK her father for SEXUALLY MOLESTING hewr as a child because it made her SPIRITUALLY stronger...It amazes me that ANYONE makes it out  after being raised like that,.

 

   It is extremely difficult and takes years of therapy for them to function in the real world

 

  here is a scary thought ..Michelle had a life in "the real world"  she went to school , was a cheerleader, and on the gymnastics team....she mowed the front lawn in her bikini....how easy for her to PERSUADE anna how terrible the real world is because  she has first hand experience  of "that world"

 

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[sue450]

11 minutes ago, sue450 said:

 

 

 

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[BitterApple]

55 minutes ago, sue450 said:

that was a bad situation was she raised in  in super fundy  l family,  Bill gothards teachings say that you NEVER leave..if a woman leaves terrible thing will happen ( she or her children will be murdered)   

The irony is, not only is that ridiculous and false, it's actually the opposite of what happened in Anna's own family. Two sisters left the cult. One divorced and eventually married Daddy Warbucks, the other got pregnant out of wedlock but found a seemingly good guy to settle down with. Anna's gonna have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to convince herself her life is better than the sisters who went against the grain.

Edited September 20, 2021 by BitterApple

[Dianaofthehunt]

Someone upthread mentioned  the near-poverty of Anna’s parents. What does her old man do for a living?

[GeeGolly]

I don't know if any of you have followed the tragic events of Gabby Petito. Much of what is not known is left to speculation, but I can't help but think poorly of her boyfriend's parents and the boyfriend. It just makes me wonder if any of us truly know where our line is. I mean, I think I know, but in most areas I've never been tested. My husband has never cheated, I've never had to contemplate covering up a crime for a loved one, etc.

Then I look at the Duggars, Bates, Rods, etc and wonder if they know there are lines, lines beyond the politics they defend. And I look at Anna and wonder what is in her head. Does she ever come close to seeing her situation as I do? Or as even another Fundy does? And like the question I posed, where are the married Duggar daughters' lines?

I think I'm just rambling here, due to lack of sleep. Maybe someone can better articulate what I'm trying to say. Well, if anyone can figure it out. 🙃

[BetyBee]

IMO, good parents would encourage their child to own up to their crime and face the consequences. Then they would support that child by visiting them in prison and encouraging them to get the help they clearly need. That rarely happens! I hope that is what I would do. I do have an incarcerated relative (not my own child though) and that is how I have supported her. Actually her kind of crappy mother has stepped up and done the right things as well. So you never know what your line is. I truly wish that Jim Bob & Michelle had supported Josh that way rather than going the cover up route and now the plead innocent route, paying for his lawyers. Then they could be good parents both to him and to his victims!

[Cinnabon]

20 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I don't know if any of you have followed the tragic events of Gabby Petito. Much of what is not known is left to speculation, but I can't help but think poorly of her boyfriend's parents and the boyfriend. It just makes me wonder if any of us truly know where our line is. I mean, I think I know, but in most areas I've never been tested. My husband has never cheated, I've never had to contemplate covering up a crime for a loved one, etc.

Then I look at the Duggars, Bates, Rods, etc and wonder if they know there are lines, lines beyond the politics they defend. And I look at Anna and wonder what is in her head. Does she ever come close to seeing her situation as I do? Or as even another Fundy does? And like the question I posed, where are the married Duggar daughters' lines?

I think I'm just rambling here, due to lack of sleep. Maybe someone can better articulate what I'm trying to say. Well, if anyone can figure it out. 🙃

Yes, I’ve been following that case closely. What I find most surprising is how many people don’t seem to understand our legal system. They seem to want to throw all of our rights out the window. Police just can’t detain someone they suspect, without evidence. They can’t force someone to talk (5th amendment). They can’t search someone’s house or property without a search warrant, etc. Yes, the boyfriend seems guilty as hell and probably did it, but we can’t and shouldn’t want to throw away all of our legal rights. 

And yes, you wonder if the Duggars and others would protect their own for almost anything - for child porn, or even murder? Where do you draw the line? And they claim to “support” the police when it fits their narrative. 

13 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

IMO, good parents would encourage their child to own up to their crime and face the consequences. Then they would support that child by visiting them in prison and encouraging them to get the help they clearly need. That rarely happens! I hope that is what I would do. I do have an incarcerated relative (not my own child though) and that is how I have supported her. Actually her kind of crappy mother has stepped up and done the right things as well. So you never know what your line is. I truly wish that Jim Bob & Michelle had supported Josh that way rather than going the cover up route and now the plead innocent route, paying for his lawyers. Then they could be good parents both to him and to his victims!

I’m with you. The way to support someone in this situation is to encourage them to admit their wrongdoing and serve their time. Josh needed therapy all those years ago, and maybe could have benefited. It’s less likely to help him now, but at least he’ll get some therapy in prison. 

[Quilt Fairy]

7 hours ago, lascuba said:

Jill especially can't fathom being on her own. If Derick were to go to prison, she'd move in the TTH until he was released.

I don't think Derick would want (allow?) that.  If Jill went anywhere, she'd go to her in-laws.

[Scarlett45]

Please take the discussion of Gabby Petito to the Small Talk thread. 
 

If the focus of your post is not Josh & Anna (their family) it belongs in another thread. Thank you. 

[emmawoodhouse]

2 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

I don't think Derick would want (allow?) that.  If Jill went anywhere, she'd go to her in-laws.

Good point. 

[awaken]

9 hours ago, Rootbeer said:

Not just pimping out her kids, but Anna's multiple declarations on social media that Josh is simply the best husband and father ever makes me feel like she's not a good mother, either.  While I think her kids are a little young to know exactly what sort of scum their father is, they are not too young to know that Daddy has a lot of problems and Mommy should not be pretending on social media that he's doing well when he clearly isn't.  

Someday, maybe not until they're adults, those kids are going to find out what sort of heinous human being their father really is and wonder why their mother always pretended he was so perfect when everyone knew he was not.

Not long ago, she posted that he was “the man of my dreams”. Like within the past year or two. She’s delusional. 

[Rootbeer]

5 hours ago, Dianaofthehunt said:

Someone upthread mentioned  the near-poverty of Anna’s parents. What does her old man do for a living?

About 25 years ago, when his 8 kids were still very young, Mike Keller gave up his full time job as a welder to start a prison ministry.  He joined Rock of Ages Prison Ministries and I think is still affiliated with them, not sure that he is salaried or depends wholly on donations. They're a non-profit and are supported by various churches and individual donations What we do know is that the Kellers raised their 8 kids in a double wide trailer and they seemingly had very few extras growing up.

1 hour ago, awaken said:

Not long ago, she posted that he was “the man of my dreams”. Like within the past year or two. She’s delusional. 

More like 'the stuff of nightmares.'

[Scarlett45]

3 minutes ago, Rootbeer said:

About 25 years ago, when his 8 kids were still very young, Mike Keller gave up his full time job as a welder to start a prison ministry.  He joined Rock of Ages Prison Ministries and I think is still affiliated with them, not sure that he is salaried or depends wholly on donations. They're a non-profit and are supported by various churches and individual donations What we do know is that the Kellers raised their 8 kids in a double wide trailer and they seemingly had very few extras growing up.

Yes. I get the impression that Anna, although she may be distressed at Josh’s involvement in various scandals- let me rephrase that, Josh being the cause of various scandals for her family; she still thinks she has it good as his wife and has no desire to leave him OR the Duggar family. 
 

Would Anna prefer to be the wife of an FRC employee living in a nice home surrounding DC with a slot on a tv show? SURE, but she would rather be where she is now than a divorced or separated mother of 7. 

[lascuba]

12 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

I don't think Derick would want (allow?) that.  If Jill went anywhere, she'd go to her in-laws.

I mean, where talking about a scenario where Derick gets convicted for CP. That she would follow his orders/desires at that point says it all right there.

[Snow Fairy]

What do you think, is M7 born already? And how will they show her to the world? Will she just pop on some random picture of their family?

There will be no "it's a wonderful day to be x months old" this time

[Ohiopirate02]

I can't shake the feeling that Anna wants to be a SAHM so badly that she will never leave Josh.  Anna wants a man to "provide" for the family and make the big decisions while she takes care of the home and kids.  I think it's a combination of laziness and fear that keeps her with Josh.  She turned down her brother's offer the first time because Anna is smart enough to know that had an expiration date.  Anna does not want to actually have to get a job to support herself and her kids. 

If someone found a man willing to take on Anna with all of her baggage and support them, she would divorce Josh in a heartbeat.  

[ozziemom]

With Anna, I just can’t get past the clip where she talks about taking out the trash instead of Josh doing it.  And she’s like “at least I have a husband” cos if I didn’t, I’d still be taking out the trash and single. As if being without a husband is the absolute worst fate. And I guess for her, even Josh is better than nothing. Very sad. She’s never leaving him no matter what.

[MargeGunderson]

Better to be married to a pedophile in federal prison than a divorced single mother. That is all kinds of fucked up. Does she understand that she doesn’t get extra Jesus points for this? 

[BitterApple]

44 minutes ago, ozziemom said:

With Anna, I just can’t get past the clip where she talks about taking out the trash instead of Josh doing it.  And she’s like “at least I have a husband” cos if I didn’t, I’d still be taking out the trash and single. As if being without a husband is the absolute worst fate. And I guess for her, even Josh is better than nothing. Very sad. She’s never leaving him no matter what.

I saw that thread on Reddit, and when I watched the clip, I was like, wtf? So being single is a worse fate than having a lazy slug of a husband who won't do the simplest chore? What a life.

[Kellyee]

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I can't shake the feeling that Anna wants to be a SAHM so badly that she will never leave Josh. 

I have a friend in a somewhat similar situation (she's in a bad marriage, but not married to pedophile). Some people will accept the crappiest situation to avoid getting a job or being alone. I have learned it is impossible to reason with those people, and you just need to let them be in their situation, because they can see no worse fate than having to get a job and pay for themselves.

 

 

 

 

 

[MargeGunderson]

14 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

I have a friend in a somewhat similar situation (she's in a bad marriage, but not married to pedophile). Some people will accept the crappiest situation to avoid getting a job or being alone. I have learned it is impossible to reason with those people, and you just need to let them be in their situation, because they can see no worse fate than having to get a job and pay for themselves.

I just cannot relate to that at all, even though I know people like that as well (including my own mother). One of my biggest fears is not being able to support myself, even though I’m married to someone with a good job in a stable industry. I have a great job in a well-paying industry and my salary is more than I ever thought I would make, but I still worry about it. Not having my own source of income is terrifying.  

Typing this out, it’s suddenly dawned on me that it’s probably the same feeling that some people get about being alone or have a job. But I’d rather be alone and with my own job, where I have some level of control over my situation, than be in a bad marriage or not have any income of my own.

Edited September 21, 2021 by MargeGunderson

[Ohiopirate02]

6 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

I have a friend in a somewhat similar situation (she's in a bad marriage, but not married to pedophile). Some people will accept the crappiest situation to avoid getting a job or being alone. I have learned it is impossible to reason with those people, and you just need to let them be in their situation, because they can see no worse fate than having to get a job and pay for themselves.

This is something I have seen in women who are not fundy as well.  There is a subset of women who view marriage as the pinnacle of what she can accomplish and being single is a failure.  They will waste years of their lives with men who range from mediocre to abusive to straight up criminals because that is better than being single.  If this type of woman is still single in her late 30s she will attach herself to a divorced dad in a heartbeat.  I met on of these a couple of years ago at my niece's birthday party.  My brother-in-law has a friend who had a bad marriage where he and his ex popped out 4 kids in 4 years before divorcing.  After separating he immediately found a woman to date who jumped right into taking care of his kids. We went out to lunch after the party and she was taking care of his twins who were still in high chairs while he got to drink beer with his buddies.  When one of his older daughters needed to go to the bathroom, she took care of it.  

I believe Anna is one of these women and it has nothing to do with growing up in her cult.

[GeeGolly]

I'm not sure the desire to be a stay at home parent means the person is avoiding a job. I stayed at home for 10 years with my kids, then went back to work part-time for a few years, then eventually went back full time. 

Staying home and raising kids is harder than many jobs out there and its a job you rarely can call out sick from.

As far as Anna is concerned, I'm sure working outside the home was never part of the plan, whether she married a great guy or Josh.

[Zella]

18 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Staying home and raising kids is harder than many jobs out there and its a job you rarely can call out sick from.

Yes I have some friends/acquaintances who got married right after college and really idealized being a SAHM, but they worked jobs and put off having kids until the past couple of years as they and their husbands saved money. Every job they ever had, they bitched about every single little job thing that has ever happened to anyone who works as if it was a crime against humanity. (Lazy coworkers, irritating bosses, annoying customers, etc.)

As they had kids, they left the workforce and seemed super excited about these idealized days at home that would be infinitely better than working . . . and that pretty quickly got demolished hard. Some of them reentered the workforce pretty quickly, actually. 

As for Anna, I think she's definitely someone who has her own very idealized version of what her life was going to be. I think she lacks the imagination to envision anything else beyond what she was taught, and she'd rather have a really shitty version of what she imagined than a better life in a different situation. 

[Jeeves]

1 hour ago, Zella said:

As for Anna, I think she's definitely someone who has her own very idealized version of what her life was going to be. I think she lacks the imagination to envision anything else beyond what she was taught, and she'd rather have a really shitty version of what she imagined than a better life in a different situation. 

Well said. I think of Anna has having tunnel vision. Her world is pretty much her religion and family, and I think she sees her life in those terms. She's a wife and mother and does all the things the correct Jesus wants her to do. I don't know if she has any vision of a different kind of life, except perhaps as some nightmare of chaos and degradation. 

[Kellyee]

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I'm not sure the desire to be a stay at home parent means the person is avoiding a job. I stayed at home for 10 years with my kids, then went back to work part-time for a few years, then eventually went back full time. 

The friend I mention above is a stay-home mom with a fully capable 20 year old son. So it's not the same thing as your situation at all. The friend in question never held down a full time job, even while divorced from husband #1 and when her son was in full time school. Luckily she got a windfall from her divorce, or she may have been forced to work. Now she's in another bad marriage but doesn't have to work. 

I honestly can't figure out what Anna wants. It makes no logical sense that she kept getting pregnant after Josh cheated with the prostitute. She really seems to be completely delusional, but several of her siblings appear to be normal people with normal lives. So I can't blame it entirely on her upbringing. Anna didn't miss a beat due the cheating. Baby #5 showed up right on the usual fundie 21 month schedule. She acted like everything Josh did never happened. 

 

 

 

 

[Zella]

20 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

Well said. I think of Anna has having tunnel vision. Her world is pretty much her religion and family, and I think she sees her life in those terms. She's a wife and mother and does all the things the correct Jesus wants her to do. I don't know if she has any vision of a different kind of life, except perhaps as some nightmare of chaos and degradation. 

I've been rewatching Mad Men this month, and she kind of reminds me of all the housewives who are absolutely miserable in their own marriages but are extremely catty about the divorcee who moves onto their street. 

[Cinnabon]

Anna thinks we heathen feminist women are all communists who kill babies . 🤣

[MargeGunderson]

12 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Anna thinks we heathen feminist women are all communists who kill babies . 🤣

Wait, am I the only one? 

[Ohiopirate02]

13 minutes ago, Zella said:

I've been rewatching Mad Men this month, and she kind of reminds me of all the housewives who are absolutely miserable in their own marriages but are extremely catty about the divorcee who moves onto their street. 

When I was typing my post this morning, I had the thought that the only way Anna would leave Josh is the Betty Draper way, having husband #2 on deck before beginning the divorce.  

[Cinnabon]

4 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

When I was typing my post this morning, I had the thought that the only way Anna would leave Josh is the Betty Draper way, having husband #2 on deck before beginning the divorce.  

And Betty found him while big pregnant!

[Jeeves]

37 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Anna thinks we heathen feminist women are all communists who kill babies . 🤣

Somehow this discussion reminded me of this story from 2015, which quoted a TV crew member about working with the Duggars back in the day. The point of the story is how Michelle got a gay person removed from the crew, but what I remembered was this part and how Michelle (and the Duggars) perceived the "outside world" in such a skewed and frightened way:

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In 2008 I worked on the set of what was then known as “17 Kids and Counting” and I have something to tell you. ...

During this time, the Duggars had very limited exposure to what they called the “outside world” and so most of the crew members being from larger cities, we were all very surprised at how very little they knew or understood about places like New York, Los Angeles, and London. All of their perceptions of these places were the most exaggerated stereotype caricatures as if their only source of news was from locally produced religious cartoons from the 1980s. As in, LA is full of surfer dudes and Valley girls, and everyone in New York talks and walks like John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever, walks in packs carrying switchblades, spray paints graffiti at every turn.  .  .  They didn’t own a television or had an Internet connection at that time, so, really, next to second hand church gossip, the local newspaper was really their only link to anything outside of Arkansas. The producers of the show had instructed crew members to not ever engage in conversation on our own with Jim Bob or Michelle in fears that we may either say something normal that they would find objectionable or that they would say something to where we’d react funny because we weren’t used to their level of “unworldliness” I think it was put.

. . .  It was very much like being told to not tell your little sister about Santa Claus.

So, during the leadup to their first family trip to New York to appear on the Today Show, Michelle started approaching some of us about New York and if it’s “scary for kids”.

 

I have my own world view, and I don't claim it's as wide and wonderful as possible. But I'm pretty sure I don't have the kind of tunnel vision and severely limited knowledge of other places, cultures, religions, climates, etc., that the article is talking about.

I think Anna's world view is strongly limited by her religion and family, and she's probably too frightened by the idea of a different kind of life to even think rationally about it. I don't say it's impossible she'd divorce Josh, but I think it's not even an idea she's entertained at this point. BTW I'm sure the Duggars have learned a lot about the "outside world" since 2008, and we know they now have the internet (including at least one guy who would have been better off without it), and Anna's lived in a DC suburb. I'm not saying she's ignorant of the world in the way the Duggars were as described in this story. I do think that despite her geographical travels and social media involvement, she's still very limited in her views of "others" and the lives people live outside her cult.

[cmr2014]

I don't think it's crossed Anna's mind to leave Josh.

1. All sin is the same in their world. Possessing CP is no different than legal porn is no different than lying to your mother is no different than murder. They all involve Satan getting access to your heart. You can only be a person of bad character who belongs in jail if you believe in the wrong Jesus. If you believe in the right Jesus, then more Jesus will straighten you right out.

2. Anna doesn't believe that Josh has done anything wrong. She mentioned early on that she believed that this prosecution was political, and she hasn't retracted that.

3. If she believes that Josh has done something wrong, she believes that she bears a lot (or most) of the responsibility. It is her job to be so relentlessly "joyfully available" to Josh that his mind never wanders anywhere else.

4. She really has nowhere to go. The idea that she could get a job and support her children is simply a non-starter. Gothard is VERY clear that mothers must remain at home and care for, and school their children. If the mother leaves the home, the children will disintegrate into wild, Godless animals almost immediately. JB will provide them with a place to live, food on the table, clothing, and a comforting "umbrella of authority." We would probably chafe under that, but Anna probably finds it comfortable.

5. This is all "God's Plan." Josh was chosen for Anna by God (as interpreted by her dim-witted father). God has a plan for Anna, and it's perfect as it is. It's not her place to question it, or to alter it. Even if all of the other things weren't true, I think this one would keep her in place, because if there's wiggle room on this at all, the whole house of cards comes down.

[MargeGunderson]

It’s amazing such a house of cards could stand.

[skatelady]

1 hour ago, cmr2014 said:

 

5. This is all "God's Plan." Josh was chosen for Anna by God (as interpreted by her dim-witted father). God has a plan for Anna, and it's perfect as it is. It's not her place to question it, or to alter it. Even if all of the other things weren't true, I think this one would keep her in place, because if there's wiggle room on this at all, the whole house of cards comes down.

All that other crazy crap aside, there's something to be said for this. I mean, this situation would be soul-crushing for ANYONE; having "faith" to fall back on must be some kind of comfort. 

I know that for myself, having experienced some trauma in my life, there were times that I wished I had some of the unwavering faith that my in-laws have. Instead, I went round&round in my head - for hours, for days, for months - wondering what I could have done differently to have prevented this or that. 

[quarks]

Either because she figured it out on her own, or because she's following the (excellent) advice from attorneys, PR people and, well, really anyone to keep her mouth shut and to remain off social media until the end of the trial, I have no idea what Anna is thinking/doing right now.

But with that said, it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that she's mostly just waiting to see what happens with the trial process - and the costs - before making any major life decisions. 

[TrixieTrue]

17 hours ago, Rootbeer said:

About 25 years ago, when his 8 kids were still very young, Mike Keller gave up his full time job as a welder to start a prison ministry.  He joined Rock of Ages Prison Ministries and I think is still affiliated with them, not sure that he is salaried or depends wholly on donations. They're a non-profit and are supported by various churches and individual donations What we do know is that the Kellers raised their 8 kids in a double wide trailer and they seemingly had very few extras growing up.

More like 'the stuff of nightmares.'

IIRC, Anna was also a part of that and went to prisons to...preach? convert people? I honestly don't know. But ironically, that was probably good preparation for what's to come. 

[iwantcookies]

5 hours ago, Kellyee said:

I have a friend in a somewhat similar situation (she's in a bad marriage, but not married to pedophile). Some people will accept the crappiest situation to avoid getting a job or being alone. I have learned it is impossible to reason with those people, and you just need to let them be in their situation, because they can see no worse fate than having to get a job and pay for themselves.

 

 

 

 

 

I know a few myself. Guess being alone is worse than being miserable with a guy.
 

One told me her sister who has a great job married a sex offender ( he is unemployed). 

Different strokes for different folks.

[iwantcookies]

1 hour ago, MargeGunderson said:

It’s amazing such a house of cards could stand.

All thanks to TLC and Mary’s $.

[SMama]

3 hours ago, cmr2014 said:

2. Anna doesn't believe that Josh has done anything wrong. She mentioned early on that she believed that this prosecution was political, and she hasn't retracted that.

Has Anna stated this on the record, or was it from a tabloid saying a source close to the family says? I have no doubt she and most of the Duggar clan could think that. To my knowledge Anna has not made any statements about her pervert husband’s latest scandal. 

 

Edited September 21, 2021 by SMama

[cmr2014]

15 hours ago, SMama said:

Has Anna stated this on the record, or was it from a tabloid saying a source close to the family says? I have no doubt she and most of the Duggar clan could think that. To my knowledge Anna has not made any statements about her pervert husband’s latest scandal. 

 

It was a "source close to the family." It's quoted a number of places on-line.

https://californianewstimes.com/anna-duggar-josh-is-innocent-president-biden-is-persecuting-him/321953/

 

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, cmr2014 said:

It was a "source close to the family." It's quoted a number of places on-line.

https://californianewstimes.com/anna-duggar-josh-is-innocent-president-biden-is-persecuting-him/321953/

 

Not sure how much I'd trust this article. Among many other misstatements, Anna is called Anna Dagger and it says Anna gave pieces of her heart to Jim Bob.

[cmr2014]

2 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Not sure how much I'd trust this article. Among many other misstatements, Anna is called Anna Dagger and it says Anna gave pieces of her heart to Jim Bob.

The link below is largely the same information, but with fewer typos and incoherant sentences. The statement here is "Anna gave JB a piece of her mind . . ."

https://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2021/05/anna-duggar-josh-is-innocent-president-biden-is-persecuting-him/

I think the one I linked to is just a poor job of stealing and "rewriting" this one.

[Zella]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Anna is called Anna Dagger

What is it with cheap tabloids and this error? Someone on here found one a few months ago that had Jinger has Zinger Dagger, which made me laugh so hard. Wonder if it's the same site. 

[lascuba]

18 minutes ago, Zella said:

What is it with cheap tabloids and this error? Someone on here found one a few months ago that had Jinger has Zinger Dagger, which made me laugh so hard. Wonder if it's the same site. 

Me thinks these tabloids are using spell check as their editor.

[Jeeves]

20 minutes ago, Zella said:

What is it with cheap tabloids and this error? Someone on here found one a few months ago that had Jinger has Zinger Dagger, which made me laugh so hard. Wonder if it's the same site. 

I get a whiff of a clickbait factory operated by persons for whom English is a second language, churning out ripped-off stories. Are there such things?

[BigBingerBro]

21 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

I get a whiff of a clickbait factory operated by persons for whom English is a second language, churning out ripped-off stories. Are there such things?

I seem to recall reading somewhere that there may be bots actually re-publishing these clickbaity articles.

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, BigBingerBro said:

I seem to recall reading somewhere that there may be bots actually re-publishing these clickbaity articles.

Yes. Bots, various AI setups, and non-native speakers, to the extent that any people at all are involved. Absolutely no human connected with the writing/publication process in any country who's getting paid more than about 25 cents an hour, probably. 

None of this stuff is either writing or reporting.

It's all mechanized and as close to no-cost as they can get it. And they can get it pretty close. 

Any talk about writers and editors and any of the practices or standards that traditionally apply to any such operation are totally nonexistent in this celebrity stuff and a lot of what's being called news now, too.

 

 

 

 

[iwantcookies]

3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Not sure how much I'd trust this article. Among many other misstatements, Anna is called Anna Dagger and it says Anna gave pieces of her heart to Jim Bob.

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[sue450]

3 hours ago, iwantcookies said:

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just want to say to posters who say anna should just leave and get a job....1  she would have to stay with someone  who will protect her  and get her the help she  needs

2...they must prevent anyone from taking advantage of her because it would be so easy to happen

3. She can't just go get a job..she does not have a clue how to function in the real world.

 4, leading to years of therapy to undo all the mental physical

damage (  I see this in the stories of  the brave people who managed to get out)  they are in therapy for years  and they learn to function but they say they aren't 100%  but doing the best they can

Edited September 22, 2021 by sue450