Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

I know that. But to me, it means that JB knew that Josh would probably get sued again. Who wants to leave their fortune to such a risky person?

I think a normal person would feel that way, but they are definitely not normal. They've continued to enable and support him, even in the past when he had multiple scandals. I really do think he is the family golden boy to them. 

[doodlebug]

36 minutes ago, Whyyouneedaname said:

I don't know a lot about computers and the claim that it may have been downloaded accidentally and/or how that may play into his defense. My question is if they are doing a forensic analysis of the files on the computer will it show if the CP was accessed more than once, like he can't say it was by accident then accessed it again and again. Or can that even be done? 

The feds can know not only when the files were accessed but also how many images were downloaded.  If it were just a couple of pics of kids being abused, they wouldn't have bothered.  There are probably hundreds, if not thousands of images that were downloaded on the two dates given.

The charges also give two distinct dates as having been when the downloads occurred.  That doesn't mean they don't have a bunch of other dates and a lot of other files.  Pedophiles who play online don't just go there once or twice.  There is probably a pattern and other instances but these were the times that it was well documented that it was Josh sitting at the computer.

If Josh doesn't play ball and cooperate, I would expect that the Feds will be happy to let him know what else they have and how many more counts could be filed against him if he'd wants to play chicken with them.

[JoanArc]

7 minutes ago, dariafan said:

The feds need an airtight case and be prepared for theatrics and other tricks 

They'd never go after a 'star' without a guaranteed win.

[Darknight]

17 hours ago, Zella said:

Just anecdotally, I've noticed the people who tend to do better in prison are types who respond well to structure. I think Josh wouldn't have a problem with being separated from his family, but I think he will really struggle with having to follow rules. He's always been above the rules. That's going to be a real bitch slap to him to suddenly have to be beholden to them in his thirties. 

Especially from a woman. Imagine a female guard telling him what to do. 

[Ohiopirate02]

3 minutes ago, Zella said:

I think a normal person would feel that way, but they are definitely not normal. They've continued to enable and support him, even in the past when he had multiple scandals. I really do think he is the family golden boy to them. 

I do think JB (and to an extent Michelle) are not so much enabling Josh as keeping him on a leash.  JB cares more about his image than he does about his kids.  Because if Josh their eldest son is a fuckup then that means JB (and Michelle) fucked up somewhere along the way, and JB cannot have that.  So he did what he could do to keep Josh in line and also downplay Jill's estrangement in the attempt to keep the wholesome Christian family façade going.  

Josh's leash was tighter 5 years ago when he was fresh out of Jesus Jail.  Somewhere along the way, JB loosened it, and we are now seeing the result.  

[Darknight]

I really hope this is the house crashing down on this family. I feel sad for his kids. 

[Oldernowiser]

1 minute ago, Darknight said:

Especially from a woman. Imagine a female guard telling him what to do. 

Okay, I am enjoying this scenario to a degree that might not be entirely healthy…

[doodlebug]

19 minutes ago, Zella said:

I think that was a way to prevent Josh from having assets that could be seized more than anything else. 

 

Yes, if the JB and Mechelle wanted to cut Josh off, giving considerable assets to the wife who promised to obey him was not the way to do it.  Stuff was put in Anna's name because they know that Anna is subservient to Josh and, no matter whose name is on the deed, Josh will control the assets.

[Darknight]

So Anna will not out do Michelle in how many babies. Im happy Josh can't reproduce for a long time. He's a self absorbed selfish a$$hole. He already had people stick up and by him. He was never held accountable.  Jim Bob and Michelle failed too. 

[Oldernowiser]

1 minute ago, Darknight said:

So Anna will not out do Michelle in how many babies. Im happy Josh can't reproduce for a long time. He's a self absorbed selfish a$$hole. He already had people stick up and by him. He was never held accountable.  Jim Bob and Michelle failed too. 

Dunno…do they allow conjugal visits in federal prison?

[Arkay]

43 minutes ago, MamaMax said:

I wonder if any of the other Duggar wives and daughters w young kids are putting pressure on JB and Michelle to leave Josh out to dry. I think they should all let him go to prison without comment, as it will keep him away from the kids, then when he gets out, shun him.  If his parents want to see him, they can go to him. Let him live alone in some sad apartment somewhere as a registered sex offender. Hopefully the intervening years will give Anna the time and space to wake up from her cult indoctrination. 

I’m wondering about some of the female in-laws who married into this family. I think of Kendra, who seems to me a real innocent. Or Abbie, who strikes me as someone who would find this appropriately sickening. Then Lauren, who figured marrying Josiah would put her on that gravy train. I can’t imagine Kendra or Abbie being willing to have Josh not only near their kids but being part of the family in any way, shape or form. Their husbands, Joe and JD, seemed truly anguished at the first round of Josh revelations and I think would want absolutely nothing to do with him now. Lauren, I think, would feel she got the bait-and-switch.

Obviously these are just my TV impressions and I could be really off base. But giggly little Kendra, especially, I just can’t see her ever accepting this. And I hope the parents of the in-laws step in to help support those women.
 

I’m sure I’m leaving somebody out and I don’t know anything about the latest wives. 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Arkay

[3girlsforus]

2 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

Interesting. In that Arkansas case evidence was found April 2019 and the guy was indicted Jan 2020. 

I understand that its not unusual to take a long time to process as in the case against Josh - but it does make you wonder why in this  example case, they were able to move much more quickly. Either that means they needed much more time to tie Josh to the computer or there is more going on that we don't know about.

Or this case happened before Covid. 

[Ohiopirate02]

Just now, Oldernowiser said:

Dunno…do they allow conjugal visits in federal prison?

I don't believe they do.  Anna may have rough time even visiting Josh depending on where he is incarcerated.  Josh could end up in a prison in North Carolina or Oregon with the feds.

[humbleopinion]

16 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

Dunno…do they allow conjugal visits in federal prison?

No, no sexy time in the Fed Pokey and only in certain State Pens can you have sex visits.

 When (JimBlob is throwing money as fast as he can to get him out) Smug gets out on bail, will Jana be tasked with taking care of big brother or will she have to take care his kids out in the warehouse so Anna can care for her man?

Edited May 3, 2021 by humbleopinion

[Darknight]

13 hours ago, 3girlsforus said:

I have no idea if it will happen in this case but to answer the part in bold....Absolutely!  If JB and Michelle thought it would help Josh they absolutely would traumatize them again and expect them to lie or even take blame for the situation. 

They threw their daughters under the bus. JB will throw his other sons under the bus too. 

[Zella]

Do any of the Duggars actually qualify to take Josh in? I noticed the judge had specifically said "a third party," which made me wonder if that person couldn't be family. I don't know. I've seen various commentary on the internet that that specific requirement is kind of unique (requiring a third party, not stipulating he couldn't be around minors), but I don't know enough to know if that's true. 

And for Jana, she doesn't have a separate address where no minors are present, so I don't see how she would qualify to be his third party. 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Zella

[Darknight]

5 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I don't believe they do.  Anna may have rough time even visiting Josh depending on where he is incarcerated.  Josh could end up in a prison in North Carolina or Oregon with the feds.

Anna is going to be a prison wife. No more sex. No more babies. JB will control her from the outside. Josh will control her from prison. By the time he gets out, the kids will be teens and adults. Hopefully, this gravy train ends now. 

[Oldernowiser]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

And for Jana, she doesn't have a separate address where no minors are present, so I don't see how she would qualify to be his third party. 

Thank God. Jana’s put up with enough babysitting for a lifetime. Three lifetimes.

[Zella]

Just now, Oldernowiser said:

Thank God. Jana’s put up with enough babysitting for a lifetime. Three lifetimes.

For real. This is Josh's mess, not his siblings'. 

[doodlebug]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

Do any of the Duggars actually qualify to take Josh in? I noticed the judge had specifically said "a third party," which made me wonder if that person couldn't be family. I don't know. I've seen various commentary on the internet that that specific requirement is kind of unique (requiring a third party, not stipulating he couldn't be around minors), but I don't know enough to know if that's true. 

And for Jana, she doesn't have a separate address where no minors are present, so I don't see how she would qualify to be his third party. 

By 'third party' don't you think that means someone other than Anna and not necessarily the rest of the family?  I could see the judge reminding everyone that Anna's first duty has to be the welfare of her minor children who have already been upset by events.  Requiring Josh to live with someone who is not Anna means that she will be tasked with caring for their children, IMO.

[Tikichick]

Just now, Zella said:

Do any of the Duggars actually qualify to take Josh in? I noticed the judge had specifically said "a third party," which made me wonder if that person couldn't be family. I don't know. I've seen various commentary on the internet that that specific requirement is kind of unique, but I don't know enough to know if that's true. 

And for Jana, she doesn't have a separate address where no minors are present, so I don't see how she would qualify to be his third party. 

Theoretically JB could stash Josh in one of the properties he owns elsewhere -- provided it meets any other requirements about proximity to minors.

As far as Jana being his monitor, that would be pretty outrageous after the whole side hugs, accountability partner, chaperone charade they've preached for how many years.   Not to mention she shouldn't be ready at JB's command to be deployed when and where he dictates. 

[JoanArc]

1 minute ago, Oldernowiser said:

Thank God. Jana’s put up with enough babysitting for a lifetime. Three lifetimes.

I hope she has the good sense to get out. The kids are safe now. Jana-nolia is going nowhere fast. Take that embezzlement suitcase and get to central America, now!

[3girlsforus]

1 minute ago, Oldernowiser said:

Thank God. Jana’s put up with enough babysitting for a lifetime. Three lifetimes.

I hope just being named Duggar is enough not to quality as ‘third party’ or JB will find a place and assign someone to live there to guard Josh.  

[Churchhoney]

19 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

Dunno…do they allow conjugal visits in federal prison?

I don't think so. 

So hopefully they're stopping at 7. .... Although she may still be fertile when he gets out. 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Churchhoney

[Oldernowiser]

1 minute ago, 3girlsforus said:

I hope just being named Duggar is enough not to quality as ‘third party’ or JB will find a place and assign someone to live there to guard Josh.  

Yesterday I was reading an article about cleaning a 330-ton wad of congealed fat out of the sewers of London and I thought, “well, there’s the worst job in the world right there.”

But it’s still a distant second to being Josh’s live-in guard.

[Zella]

5 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

By 'third party' don't you think that means someone other than Anna and not necessarily the rest of the family?  I could see the judge reminding everyone that Anna's first duty has to be the welfare of her minor children who have already been upset by events.  Requiring Josh to live with someone who is not Anna means that she will be tasked with caring for their children, IMO.

True. I might be overthinking the phrasing. 

I would think, though, that whoever is chosen would probably not pass muster without their own more permanent living situation, so I am not sure just plucking someone else up and throwing them into a rented house/apartment with Josh would pass muster. But I could be wrong! 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Zella

[BitterApple]

14 minutes ago, 3girlsforus said:

I hope just being named Duggar is enough not to quality as ‘third party’ or JB will find a place and assign someone to live there to guard Josh.  

I agree. Given the Duggar tendency to dismiss rules they don't think apply to them (see: Covid), I wouldn't trust any of them to monitor Josh. I can see them thinking the courts have no right to deny him visits with his kids and sneaking the M's over to spend time with him. If I were the judge, I'd make the bail conditions so ridiculous it's less hassle for Josh to remain in jail.

Edited May 3, 2021 by BitterApple

[Natalie68]

On 5/1/2021 at 9:38 AM, Tabbygirl521 said:

She has been brainwashed not to think that leaving is even an option. Just keep praying and everything will be perfect! 

All I know is leaving would have been MUCH easier when the 1st two scandals hit.  Now they will have what, 2 or is it 3 more kids that she can't support on her own.  Two working people supporting 7 kids would be really difficult.  In the end the kids will suffer again because Lolly and Pops raised and covered for someone who should never be allowed around minors.  I really wonder where this behavior started though.  It didn't start with Josh.

[TresGatos]

8 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

Dunno…do they allow conjugal visits in federal prison?

Or Anna could Bundy a baby out.

One month after my mother died my 3rd stepfather came home with his new (or not so new) girlfriend and was busted by the Feds for possession of child pornography. He was also allegedly sending dick pics to what he thought was a 15-year-old girl but who was, actually, law enforcement, but that charge was eventually dropped. He chose to go to trial and was found guilty and was sentenced to the minimum mandatory of 9 years in federal prison of which he served pretty much every second (there was a halfway house involved about two months before his sentence expired). He wasn't fined but his assets deemed related to the crime were seized which was my mother's house (they had been married 14 years and she had put his name on the deed 2 years before), the computer he used and the computer chair. He had one of the best attorneys in the region and tried to argue SODDIT (Some Other Dude Did It). My brother and I received half the proceeds of the house when it was auctioned off by the Feds because my mother's will had not been probated yet and we were named heirs and he was still the best stepfather out of the three.  

A glimpse into Joshley's future. Josh must really hate his life and has hated it for a long, long time. 

18 minutes ago, Darknight said:

Josh could end up in a prison in North Carolina or Oregon with the feds.

The stepfather I referenced in another post was living in Kentucky when he was arrested and sent to the Federal prison in Terre Haute, Indiana (where Timothy McVeigh was executed) for 2 or 3 years and served the rest of his sentence, about six or so years, in Texas. 

[lascuba]

4 hours ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I think Anna is such a stickler for the rules that she ends up turning off the Duggar girls even though they might be just as fundie on the outside. 

In the beginning, at least, Anna was such a Duggar fangirl who completely  bought into their shtick. I think that more than anything would turn them off. I still vividly recall the look of utter disgust on Jinger's face when Anna chirped, "We haven't picked our letter yet!"

[JoanArc]

Reddit says Josiah was in on the zoom arraignment. 

 Apparently he was working at the car lot at the time?

edit: It seems that Crystal Ball was the source. Never mind!

Edited May 3, 2021 by JoanArc

[Crochetlady]

I would think a third party would be someone not family.  Maybe his lawyer or something. 

[Ohiopirate02]

6 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Reddit says Josiah was in on the zoom arraignment. 

 Apparently he was working at the car lot at the time?

edit: It seems that Crystal Ball was the source. Never mind!

While Josiah and Lauren were never the most prolific of posters on Instagram, I do find it odd that they have not posted anything since November of last year.  Something is up with them, it could be that Josiah knows what Josh has been up to.  Maybe even interviewed by the feds.  

[3girlsforus]

36 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I agree. Given the Duggar tendency to dismiss rules they don't think apply to them (see: Covid), I wouldn't trust any of them to monitor Josh. I can see them thinking the courts have no right to deny him visits with his kids and sneaking the M's over to spend time with him. If I were the judge, I'd make the bail conditions so ridiculous it's less hassle for Josh to remain in jail.

I agree but I’m also concerned about JB deciding to place Josh with someone, say Jana, who would want Josh to obey the rules and is appalled at the idea of child sexual abuse but would not have the constitution to stand up to JB and Josh as they run roughshod over the rules. Then she’s stuck with being the one to call the authorities on Josh’s violations or just sit in scared silence. 

[SMama]

1 hour ago, Gigi43 said:

Jinger's statement was pretty strong worded for a Duggar and unlike the family statement did not ask for prayers for Josh/the family. 

 

If the kids band together and tell TLC they want to remain and find a way to cut JB and M out and it becomes about their lives without them, that could actually work in everyone's favor, including the ratings. 

 

The Cosby Show is on demand - I was never into it, more of a Married With Children gal- on my cable honestly, taking it off hurts everyone who gets a royalty who isn't Cobsy more than it hurts Cosby since he's the richest. But if TLC wants to remove anything with Josh's face, if they have 19kids stuff on Discovery Plus I would understand that but, I don't know, the Counting On Wedding/Baby specials  he wasn't on, I wouldn't penalize the others. The market can decide if the ratings absolutely crash and burn, pull the show. It doesn't seem like it's on much anyway.

Jinger’s statement was likely written by Jeremy.

The kidults are not going to ever go against the hand that oppresses and feeds them. Even if that were to happen the Duggars purpose for the show is to normalize the abuse, misogyny, cruelty, homophobia, intolerance, and plain evil of their cult.

Reality TV does not pay residuals to the “talent.” 

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, SMama said:

Jinger’s statement was likely written by Jeremy.

The kidults are not going to ever go against the hand that oppresses and feeds them. Even if that were to happen the Duggars purpose for the show is to normalize the abuse, misogyny, cruelty, homophobia, intolerance, and plain evil of their cult.

Reality TV does not pay residuals to the “talent.” 

@GeeGolly actually found where other reality TV people have used the same statement, so I don't think either of them actually wrote it. It was probably something selected by their PR people and given to them. But the fact that is the statement they picked to use does indicate they're pretty disgusted with the whole situation. 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Zella

[WinnieWinkle]

5 minutes ago, 3girlsforus said:

I agree but I’m also concerned about JB deciding to place Josh with someone,

Would this be JB's call to make though?  I know he thinks he's the king of the world but he's really only the king of a sad sordid little group of people.  I could be wrong  but I don't think the family members in a situation like Josh Duggar is facing are the ones who will call the shots in terms of where he might live if he gets bail.

[Jynnan tonnix]

50 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

Yesterday I was reading an article about cleaning a 330-ton wad of congealed fat out of the sewers of London and I thought, “well, there’s the worst job in the world right there.”

But it’s still a distant second to being Josh’s live-in guard.

I've been skimming pretty quickly just to catch up on everything after missing the original bombshell by a couple of days, and totally read this as a description of Smuggar.

[Natalie68]

On 5/2/2021 at 9:30 AM, BitterApple said:

I agree. I had no idea how the Feds worked until I read about it on here, and I can 100% believe Boob and Josh were hazy with the details. This group is also big on the "Christian persecution" myth, so I can see Jinger figuring this is another case of the big bad liberals trying to bring her godly family down, and nothing will come of it. 

I imgine everyone is on a need to know basis in that family.  I imagine Anna needed to know as well as Jim Bob and Michelle.  The only ones who know all the sick secrets are Josh and the Feds.

[crazy8s]

1 hour ago, Zella said:

Yeah I definitely think they think this is an issue of persecution. I also think they are going to be in for a very rude awakening if/when this goes to court and more information is released on what Josh downloaded. 

I think Josh probably believes he never would have been caught in the ashley madison thing if it wasn't for the hack and release of info. He could still be away from the family and with FRC living the celeb life he was raised to feel entitled to. It was the hacker's fault he got caught and called back to live in a warehouse and under JB's control donctha know.

[Natalie68]

On 5/2/2021 at 10:08 AM, Marshmallow Mollie said:

Between bail and attorney fees, this could get very expensive. Plus different housing for Josh. Most of the family relies heavily on the family coffers, which will now go to Josh?! Uneven distribution of money tears apart families. They might have stood by Josh for “Christian” reasons, but I bet a lot will turn on Josh, JB, and Michelle if their money train slows or stops due to Josh’s financial needs.

I absolutely think he will plead out. Can you imagine who all could be supeoned (sp?) for a trial, and no one wants that.

I am guessing they will also have to hire a custodian for him should he get out on bail.

[3 is enough]

2 hours ago, Zella said:

I actually think if Josh had left, he may have actually been the one to try to engineer a tell-all, which would have been a means of generating some money. I think he resents his family and feels no loyalty to him, so I don't think he'd actually have any qualms about throwing them under the bus. That's something that seems to restrain the others. But it would require him to work, so that wasn't happening. 

I thought that was a possibility too.  I could still see him doing it if he is convicted and has nothing but time to think about how this could be happening to him, Josh Duggar.  I doubt he would ever take responsibility for his actions, so blaming his parents would be the obvious solution. Josh only cares about Josh.  But I don’t know if he could get access to a ghostwriter in prison or if any publisher would touch him.

I was not aware that the warehouse had no windows.  Surprised that cheapskate Jim Bob didn’t think that punching out a couple of windows so the lights didn’t have to be on all the time would save him money.   I am livid that 6 kids plus the live-in apprentice sister mom are living in a windowless box with no means to escape if a fire did break out.

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by 3 is enough

[3girlsforus]

3 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:

Would this be JB's call to make though?  I know he thinks he's the king of the world but he's really only the king of a sad sordid little group of people.  I could be wrong  but I don't think the family members in a situation like Josh Duggar is facing are the ones who will call the shots in terms of where he might live if he gets bail.

Well no not technically. Obviously the court would have to approve it but I think what is probably happening right now is that Josh’s lawyer is telling them what kind of setup will be required to meet the housing requirements if he’s granted bail. JB would then be the one going out to procure that setup so the lawyer can stand in front of the judge and say ‘this is where the defendant will be living and who will supervise’. If a family member qualifies I guarantee JB is picking that family member and telling them this is what they are doing. And he would pick someone who he could manipulate and influence. Whether the court will recognize that he has this kind of power over his adult children or not, I don’t know. If the court knows that maybe they will tell them ‘no family can supervise’. 

[Scarlett45]

1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I do think JB (and to an extent Michelle) are not so much enabling Josh as keeping him on a leash.  JB cares more about his image than he does about his kids.  Because if Josh their eldest son is a fuckup then that means JB (and Michelle) fucked up somewhere along the way, and JB cannot have that.  So he did what he could do to keep Josh in line and also downplay Jill's estrangement in the attempt to keep the wholesome Christian family façade going.  

Josh's leash was tighter 5 years ago when he was fresh out of Jesus Jail.  Somewhere along the way, JB loosened it, and we are now seeing the result.  

I agree with everything you said. 

 

Firstly I do want to say that I am so very sorry for the position that Jill, Jessa, Jinger and Joy are in now that the arrest and charges are public. I wish them a support system and that they take care of themselves and their well being.

Secondly, when the 2015 scandals hit the fan- I knew they wouldn't be the last. As evidenced by Josh's behavior and choices, he is lazy and not terribly bright. As we saw JB tried to keep him on a tight leash to not continue to embarrass the family any more, but I said then (probably somewhere on this forum) that Josh was still SO YOUNG, and JB was getting older by the day with more in laws and grandkids to manage very day. I knew there was no way that tactic would hold- did I think it would be in 5-6yrs? Maybe, but certainly no more than 10.

I have followed The Duggars since their first TLC special 17yrs ago, and I noticed then, in the early specials before the series, NONE of the older children liked Josh at all- I thought that was just because he was an arrogant asshole........well he is that as well as so many other things. 

[GeeGolly]

I know there are cases, say of murders or rapes, where they only charge the defendant on a few of the charges, say only two murders when there were three, so if the lose the case the defendant can be charged for the third murder and they can try him again, without it being double jeopardy.

Is that something they could do with Josh? Try him for the two dates they're charging him for and hold off on any other downloads on different dates?

[Zella]

7 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

I thought that was a possibility too.  I could still see him doing it if he is convicted and has nothing but time to think about this could be happening to him, Josh Duggar.  I doubt he would ever take responsibility for his actions, so blaming his parents would be the obvious solution. Josh only cares about Josh.  But I don’t know if he could get access to a ghostwriter in prison or if any publisher would touch him.

I was not aware that the warehouse had no windows.  Surprised that cheapskate Jim Bob didn’t think that punching out a couple of windows so the lights didn’t have to be on all the time would save him money.   I am livid that 6 kids plus the live-in apprentice sister mom are living in a windowless box with no means to escape if a fire did break out.

 

I imagine a publisher wouldn't touch him now. Six-ish years ago when the first revelations were made, if he had played his cards right, it might have worked, but I think the short time between the reveal that he had molested his sisters and the reveal Ashley Madison scandal would have evaporated any claims he had to being reformed. He had a pretty small window, I think, in which it would have conceivably been possible. 

[Cinnabon]

4 hours ago, Future Cat Lady said:

Is that legal? Maybe that’s why they have a different address.

It’s not in some cities, not sure about theirs.

[catlover79]

1 hour ago, Darknight said:

Especially from a woman. Imagine a female guard telling him what to do. 

🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

[Natalie68]

On 5/2/2021 at 12:06 PM, Tabbygirl521 said:

The fellow mentioned upthread, who knew Josh growing up and has just done a very lengthy a AMA on Reddit (he was verified as being legit) says that Josh has been extremely tech-savvy since he was a teen, with particular knowledge around anonymity etc.

The AMA is fascinating. This ex-friend confirms a lot of things I’d heard previously but also offers insight on Gothardized upbringing, etc. And he’s not there to eviscerateJosh; he seems to be a kind but clear-eyed soul. 

Is this AMA easy to find?

[ginger90]

The “third party” can be family.

 

To get his  pretrial release denied, the prosecutor  will have to prove risk of flight, or that Josh is a danger to the community.

His lawyer may submit letters from people who attest to his character. (No clue who the heck would do that).

Edited May 3, 2021 by ginger90
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