Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[ginger90]

22 minutes ago, mittsigirl said:

And if he does get to jail then they will have to keep him separate from the general population, because of his crimes being against children.

This is not accurate in a federal prison.

Edited May 3, 2021 by ginger90

[Arkay]

5 minutes ago, Soaper410 said:

As a total (but maybe not really) side note.  

I was 99% Anna was going to name her kid Magnolia (and call her Maggie) which I know others think too because of her love of Chip & Joanna.  

Now I'm sure its going to be Mercy (for what Josh should be given) or Mia (as in Josh will be M.I.A since he's going to prison). 

That’s cute. Awhile back I think someone commented that the name should be “Martyr,” which I think is apropos.
 

Personally I think she should name the baby “MyTubesAreTied.”

Edited May 3, 2021 by Arkay

[Absolom]

15 minutes ago, Zella said:

Just anecdotally, I've noticed the people who tend to do better in prison are types who respond well to structure. I think Josh wouldn't have a problem with being separated from his family, but I think he will really struggle with having to follow rules. He's always been above the rules. That's going to be a real bitch slap to him to suddenly have to be beholden to them in his thirties. 

He seemed to do OK with the structure at the Jesus reform camp Jim Bob sent him to.  He came out looking the best he had in years.

[Rabbittron]

Sarcasm on let Smuggar go back to Jesus Jail it did wonders for him the 2 times that he was in there. Sarcasm off

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, Absolom said:

He seemed to do OK with the structure at the Jesus reform camp Jim Bob sent him to.  He came out looking the best he had in years.

That's interesting! I wasn't really following the boards as heavily at that time, so I knew he did a couple of stints but not that he seemed to adapt well to it. I have a feeling, though, that's going to seem like summer camp for him compared to going to the actual clink (especially with what he has been charged with). 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Zella

[coconspirator]

1 hour ago, Giant Misfit said:

Possible? Sure. But probable? No way. JB has known -- and covered up -- Josh's predatoriness since he was 15. And there's no way that Josh was running that car dealership (except straight into the ground) so JB had to know there was no financial shenanigans going on since HE was the one likely overseeing that part of the enterprise.  JB likes to play the bumfuck fundie dad but he's a sly operator. There's no way he didn't immediately retain council for Josh after the raid and 100% knew what the crimes they uncovered were. 

I also think it’s probable that JB knew what was up even before Josh had to tell him. I suspect if JB  knew then Michelle also knew. The rest of the family was very likely left in the dark until the last minute. I can’t imagine them allowing him around their children on holidays and birthday parties if they knew he was facing arrest for child porn.

[Lukeysboat]

36 minutes ago, Marshmallow Mollie said:

downloading child sexual abuse images

Thank you for calling it this. Explicit images of minors are better not referred to as “child pornography” because children cannot consent to being videotaped and/or touched. “Child sexual assault images” is the preferred term. 

[Tabbygirl521]

2 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Is it possible that they were lulled into a sense of complacency when nothing seemed to happen for those 18 months? I imagine Boob put the St. Louis lawyer on retainer (via Story's recommendation) way back when and promptly forgot about him until Thursday.

I bet they really thought they could pray it away. Lord smite my enemies, etc. Maybe they still think God will acquit Josh if they keep praying. And surely they can convince a jury that this is a setup and/or the victims were somehow at fault. 

[Tuxcat]

In some ways I wonder if Josh would feel relieved to live his life in prison. I can't decide if he's arrogant enough to believe that his actions are okay OR if he truly recognizes and loathes himself every day for having such terrible impulses. If the latter, then prison would be a welcome relief (with the exception of possible prisoner on prisoner abuse...but I don't know enough to speak to that). 

6 minutes ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

I bet they really thought they could pray it away. Lord smite my enemies, etc. Maybe they still think God will acquit Josh if they keep praying. And surely they can convince a jury that this is a setup and/or the victims were somehow at fault. 

there are some pro-duggar forums that are already sharing stories about computer hackers and planting evidence - so yes they could sadly go this route.

Edited May 3, 2021 by Tuxcat

[skatelady]

34 minutes ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

Honestly, I think being in prison if he's separated from general population will be the most liberated he's felt in years. He won't have to have six kids running around, he won't have to hide what he's doing in his free time. Heck, he might even benefit from working out, eating less, and having access to books and education. Ironically, it may be the most free he's felt since he was a little kid. 

I think this is why he was smiling in the picture. When the raid happened in 2019, and he realized what was coming, perhaps he thought about it and realized "ya know? This is actually a WAY OUT. Not the way I would've preferred, but in my world there is NO OTHER OUT."

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

In some ways I wonder if Josh would feel relieved to live his life in prison. I can't decide if he's arrogant enough to believe that his actions are okay OR if he truly recognizes and loathes himself every day for having such terrible impulses. If the latter, then prison would be a welcome relief (with the exception of possible prisoner on prisoner abuse...but I don't know enough to speak to that). 

I don't think Smuggar has it in him to feel self-loathing. The more I think about him, the more he strikes me as a sociopath.

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, skatelady said:

my world there is NO OTHER OUT."

Except he did have a way out. He could have left. But he didn't. 

[ReadMeLattice]

6 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I don't think Smuggar has it in him to feel self-loathing. The more I think about him, the more he strikes me as a sociopath.

Yeah, I honestly don’t know if he’s capable of shame. 

[SunnyBeBe]

16 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

In some ways I wonder if Josh would feel relieved to live his life in prison. I can't decide if he's arrogant enough to believe that his actions are okay OR if he truly recognizes and loathes himself every day for having such terrible impulses. If the latter, then prison would be a welcome relief (with the exception of possible prisoner on prisoner abuse...but I don't know enough to speak to that). 

there are some pro-duggar forums that are already sharing stories about computer hackers and planting evidence - so yes they could sadly go this route.

If he’s hacked, it’s detectable...if he’s not home when it’s downloaded....they know...they know where everyone with a cell phone was when the material was downloaded.   

[Tuxcat]

1 minute ago, SunnyBeBe said:

If he’s hacked, it’s detectable...if he’s not home when it’s downloaded....they know...they know where everyone with a cell phone was when the material was downloaded.   

Oh absolutely I agree. I am sure the feds have an airtight case. Just saying there are already people out there spinning alternative theories (none of which I personally believe).

[all fall down]

59 minutes ago, Soaper410 said:

As a total (but maybe not really) side note.  

I was 99% sure Anna was going to name her kid Magnolia (and call her Maggie) which I know others think too because of her love of Chip & Joanna.  

Now I'm sure its going to be Mercy (for what Josh should be given) or Mia (as in Josh will be M.I.A since he's going to prison). 

Miranda (Rights) Duggar. 

[Rabbittron]

I wonder what Anna is going to do when she's in the transition stage of labor and Smuggar isn't there yelling at her to make him a sandwich?

[emmawoodhouse]

4 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

I wonder what Anna is going to do when she's in the transition stage of labor and Smuggar isn't there yelling at her to make him a sandwich?

Or taking a nap?

[Aunt Catfish]

Not sure about the rest of you.  I do not find anything here to joke about.  This is truly horrible.  If the authorities think charges are called for, there must be evidence.  Could anyone imagine being a child subjected to abuse that is recorded and viewed for the pleasure of perverts among us.  I can snark among the best, but I take this very seriously.  I sincerely hope these allegations are not true, but if they are justice must be served.

[JoanArc]

2 hours ago, lascuba said:

TLC is something else. "Oh, we cancelled 19KaC years ago! We have nothing to do with Josh Duggar!" Bitch, please

“Except for paying his wife for appearing on air!”

[emmawoodhouse]

1 minute ago, JoanArc said:

“Except for paying his wife for appearing on air!”

Well, to be fair to TLC, they pay Boob who doles out money as he sees fit. 

[JoanArc]

15 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Well, to be fair to TLC, they pay Boob who doles out money as he sees fit. 

I wasn’t sure if Anna was in on the Collective part or not. But she’s been a cast member of counting on since day one, though not featured as much as some of the others.

 I’m thinking she might keep right on living the lie, cranking out a child over two years with Josh in prison. M8 will be visibly African-American, M9 Latino, ETC.

 At least baby seven will never ever be in the same room as Josh for 18 years.  

 

[hathorlive]

5 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

I hope JB has really deep pockets because this one is gonna cost him!

I wonder what kind of pariah Josh will be after his siblings find out there's no TLC money this year, no one is getting a bigger house (sorry Jessa) and that the only gift they are getting this year for every holiday is a free chocolate mess sundae.   I can't imagine that he's going to be very welcome after they realize how little money is left after Joshgate 2.

2 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

I wasn’t sure if Anna was in on the Collective part or not. But she’s been a cast member of counting on since day one, though not featured as much as some of the others.

 I’m thinking she might keep right on living the lie, cranking out a child over two years with Josh in prison. M8 will be visibly African-American, M9 Latino, ETC.

 At least baby seven will never ever be in the same room as Josh for 18 years.  

 

I wouldn't be shocked if Anna had his sperm banked in case he goes for a preemptive snip snip.  I can also see her doing In vitro to have multiples to catch up to MOTY.

[hathorlive]

1 hour ago, Tuxcat said:

There are some pro-duggar forums that are already sharing stories about computer hackers and planting evidence - so yes they could sadly go this route.

Good luck with that. It's called an affirmative defense and when you say stuff like that, you have to have proof to back it up.  Same with "a virus did it".  Because then some expert will ask the lawyer to testify about the malware deconstruction and what was in the payload of the virus.  That tends to end that line of bullshit.

2 hours ago, Lukeysboat said:

Thank you for calling it this. Explicit images of minors are better not referred to as “child pornography” because children cannot consent to being videotaped and/or touched. “Child sexual assault images” is the preferred term. 

In federal court it's actually called child sexual exploitation.

[BitterApple]

10 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

I wasn’t sure if Anna was in on the Collective part or not. But she’s been a cast member of counting on since day one, though not featured as much as some of the others.

 I’m thinking she might keep right on living the lie, cranking out a child over two years with Josh in prison. M8 will be visibly African-American, M9 Latino, ETC.

 At least baby seven will never ever be in the same room as Josh for 18 years.  

 

If Anna stays on the compound, how much do you want to bet one of the Lost Girls gets stuck Sister-Momming for her? Wasn't it Jordyn she snapped at when one of her M's wandered off? 

Edited May 3, 2021 by BitterApple

[emmawoodhouse]

13 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

I wasn’t sure if Anna was in on the Collective part or not. But she’s been a cast member of counting on since day one, though not featured as much as some of the others.

 I’m thinking she might keep right on living the lie, cranking out a child over two years with Josh in prison. M8 will be visibly African-American, M9 Latino, ETC.

 At least baby seven will never ever be in the same room as Josh for 18 years.  

 

You know Anna is getting paid. No way Boob lets his Golden Boy starve. Smuggar's "work ethic" has always been lacking. 

[tabloidlover]

2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

This is not accurate in a federal prison.

Please expand on this.  Do federal prisons not segregate child molestation/porn offenders?

[Lukeysboat]

28 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

In federal court it's actually called child sexual exploitation.

Good to know. The term I mentioned is used in public health organizations. 

[hathorlive]

5 hours ago, mittsigirl said:

Can you remember if this expensive expert witness was for the defense or prosecution? I had no idea they paid them that much!

The expert witness for this case should revolve around the computer forensics.  I've never had a case that called any other kind of psychologist or other expert.  I do know that at a sentencing hearing for my worst case ever (tons of CP) they claimed the suspect was taking some kind of insomnia meds that caused him mental black outs.  No witness to substantiate that (other than my eye roll, on the stand).  I attempted to refute that and was asked where I got my psychology degree from.  That's a fair question, but since he didn't read my CV, I told him where I got my masters in psychology from.  He shut up pretty fast.  It's not often you get to hear a judge chuckle during a cross examination. 

Expert witness for computer forensics will cost JB but it shouldn't be more than 10 or 15K, depending on how many exhibits, how many images they need to refute.  A basic examination of one computer can take about 3 to 4 days, depending on how competent you are.  I would assume a shark defense lawyer will have the expert take the archive of the computer and do his own work (processing, hashing, the entire thing) and not just go off the prosecution's report.

[mittsigirl]

8 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

The expert witness for this case should revolve around the computer forensics.  I've never had a case that called any other kind of psychologist or other expert.  I do know that at a sentencing hearing for my worst case ever (tons of CP) they claimed the suspect was taking some kind of insomnia meds that caused him mental black outs.  No witness to substantiate that (other than my eye roll, on the stand).  I attempted to refute that and was asked where I got my psychology degree from.  That's a fair question, but since he didn't read my CV, I told him where I got my masters in psychology from.  He shut up pretty fast.  It's not often you get to hear a judge chuckle during a cross examination. 

Expert witness for computer forensics will cost JB but it shouldn't be more than 10 or 15K, depending on how many exhibits, how many images they need to refute.  A basic examination of one computer can take about 3 to 4 days, depending on how competent you are.  I would assume a shark defense lawyer will have the expert take the archive of the computer and do his own work (processing, hashing, the entire thing) and not just go off the prosecution's report.

Yeah, I would have rolled my eyes at that comment as well, you go girl! These days the experts should be very good, especially any working for the feds, if it's on there, they will find it, you can't hide anything these days, once it's out there, it's pretty permanent. At least that is what I have read, but I am just a user not an expert:)

[hathorlive]

4 hours ago, Giant Misfit said:

Possible? Sure. But probable? No way. JB has known -- and covered up -- Josh's predatoriness since he was 15. And there's no way that Josh was running that car dealership (except straight into the ground) so JB had to know there was no financial shenanigans going on since HE was the one likely overseeing that part of the enterprise.  JB likes to play the bumfuck fundie dad but he's a sly operator. There's no way he didn't immediately retain council for Josh after the raid and 100% knew what the crimes they uncovered were. 

Here's the more interesting question.  Does the she shed Josh and Anna live in have it's own address? Because when a search warrant is issued, it's usually for the address that the suspect gets his mail at and is known to reside in.  And usually, it includes the right to search all additional structures on the property.  So, if Josh is lazy and didn't get a formal address for the shed, then what address do you think the search warrant would be served on for his residence? So, if the warrant was served for the TTH and additional structures, JB would have to know exactly what was going on, right?  Just some fun late night speculation.  

Edited May 3, 2021 by hathorlive

[3girlsforus]

2 hours ago, Lukeysboat said:

Thank you for calling it this. Explicit images of minors are better not referred to as “child pornography” because children cannot consent to being videotaped and/or touched. “Child sexual assault images” is the preferred term. 

Preferred by whom? The actual court documents use the term child pornography. 

[mittsigirl]

1 minute ago, hathorlive said:

Here's the more interesting question.  Does the she shed Josh and Anna live in have it's own address? Because when a search warrant is issued, it's usually for the address that the suspect gets his mail at and is known to reside in.  And usually, it includes the right to search all additional structures on the property.  So, if Josh is lazy and didn't get a formal address for the shed, then what address do you think the search warrant would be served on for his residence?  Just some fun late night speculation.  

Oh goody! Knowing his laziness, I just bet he shares the address with JB! I hope they tear the damn place apart and everything out there gets checked out. JB is pretty slimy in my eyes, always has been and probably even more so now, don't trust anything about the guy. I bet the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[Tuxcat]

5 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

Here's the more interesting question.  Does the she shed Josh and Anna live in have it's own address? Because when a search warrant is issued, it's usually for the address that the suspect gets his mail at and is known to reside in.  And usually, it includes the right to search all additional structures on the property.  So, if Josh is lazy and didn't get a formal address for the shed, then what address do you think the search warrant would be served on for his residence? So, if the warrant was served for the TTH and additional structures, JB would have to know exactly what was going on, right?  Just some fun late night speculation.  

I am Confused again. Didn't the original search warrant just cover his car lot? 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Tuxcat

[Zella]

My guess is the warehouse doesn't have a separate address since Josh's voter registration and address when he was booked in is a separate house entirely that they clearly don't live in. On the property records for that house, a PO. Box is given for Anna's LLC. 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Zella

[wait.what]

Just wondering:

1. If JB and Michelle paying for Josh’s defense (we know they are) would thry continue to pay if the defense decided to use the strategy “someone else” (my brothers) are responsible? In other words? Would JB and Michelle throw their other children under the bus to protect Josh?

2. Would JB and Michelle pay for the defense if Josh insisted on going to trial and They KNEW that their daughters would be called to testify about Josh’s history of sexual assault? In other words, would JB and Michelle force their daughters to be traumatized again just to protect Josh? Or would they expect them to lie to protect Josh?

hopefully, JB and Michelle will tell Josh to confess and take plea deal. Not only because that is what he deserves, but to also protect their other children. 

[hathorlive]

14 minutes ago, 3girlsforus said:

Preferred by whom? The actual court documents use the term child pornography. 

Most people in the field are encouraged not to say child porn because it sounds unprofessional.  It does creep into documents, usually by lawyers who aren't being careful.  Reporters use it a lot.  I type CP because Child Sexual Exploitation takes too long on forums.  In reports, my cohorts always use suspected images of CSE.  

[lascuba]

I logged on to twitter to day to check the feed of someone I follow. This person discusses various aspects of evangelical Christianity and I was interested in her reactions to the news. A crew member from Bringing Up Bates reached out to her about Josh.

 

[hathorlive]

14 minutes ago, mittsigirl said:

Oh goody! Knowing his laziness, I just bet he shares the address with JB! I hope they tear the damn place apart and everything out there gets checked out. JB is pretty slimy in my eyes, always has been and probably even more so now, don't trust anything about the guy. I bet the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

I don't know if they hit the big house, but it's an interesting question.  I can't wait to get my hands on the affidavit.  It will answer so many questions.

[3girlsforus]

4 minutes ago, wait.what said:

Just wondering:

1. If JB and Michelle paying for Josh’s defense (we know they are) would thry continue to pay if the defense decided to use the strategy “someone else” (my brothers) are responsible? In other words? Would JB and Michelle throw their other children under the bus to protect Josh?

2. Would JB and Michelle pay for the defense if Josh insisted on going to trial and They KNEW that their daughters would be called to testify about Josh’s history of sexual assault? In other words, would JB and Michelle force their daughters to be traumatized again just to protect Josh? Or would they expect them to lie to protect Josh?

hopefully, JB and Michelle will tell Josh to confess and take plea deal. Not only because that is what he deserves, but to also protect their other children. 

I have no idea if it will happen in this case but to answer the part in bold....Absolutely!  If JB and Michelle thought it would help Josh they absolutely would traumatize them again and expect them to lie or even take blame for the situation. 

[hathorlive]

13 minutes ago, Zella said:

My guess is the warehouse doesn't have a separate address since Josh's voter registration and address when he was booked in is a separate house entirely that they clearly don't live in. On the property records for that house, a PO. Box is given for Anna's LLC. 

Interesting.  So he didn't bother to update his official residents on his official government documents.  Shocking.  But since he is known to live on JB's property, I wonder if they deafferented the big house from the she shed?  The last search warrant I went on in December, they had done surveillance on the house for so long, the sworn guys actually chided the suspect for making his wife take the trash to the curb late at night.  The police usually do a lot of recon before doing the search warrant.

[mittsigirl]

4 minutes ago, wait.what said:

Just wondering:

1. If JB and Michelle paying for Josh’s defense (we know they are) would thry continue to pay if the defense decided to use the strategy “someone else” (my brothers) are responsible? In other words? Would JB and Michelle throw their other children under the bus to protect Josh?

2. Would JB and Michelle pay for the defense if Josh insisted on going to trial and They KNEW that their daughters would be called to testify about Josh’s history of sexual assault? In other words, would JB and Michelle force their daughters to be traumatized again just to protect Josh? Or would they expect them to lie to protect Josh?

hopefully, JB and Michelle will tell Josh to confess and take plea deal. Not only because that is what he deserves, but to also protect their other children. 

But if he wasn't the only guy using that computer, wouldn't Josh have to sign in with his own password to get to his secret account? He would be hiding where he goes for his perverted fun, not allow his brothers or father to see it, would he? So then how could he blame his brothers or anyone else who used that specific computer?

[hathorlive]

18 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

I am Confused again. Didn't the original search warrant just cover his car lot? 

I don't think they've released the actual documents, we've just read what's been reported on, which is usually not accurate.  In my experience, you hit the business AND the house.  Especially with CP cases.  The rule is to get every electronic device the suspect has access too.  That doesn't stop at work.  And I'm pretty sure they don't know that Josh is supposed to be in jesus jail for the internet. 

[BitterApple]

With regards to Anna, do you guys think the Duggar kids will start to resent her? Josh and Anna have the largest brood, which means they're sucking up the most resources, and Josh's defense is about to eat up a healthy chunk of change. I'm sure they know logically the CP isn't Anna's fault, but it's not uncommon to have misdirected anger, especially when money's involved. I know it's unlikely she'll ever move back to Florida, but I don't know if I could spend the rest of my life being known as the wife of the family fuck-up. It seems like a miserable existence. 

[Tuxcat]

4 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

I don't think they've released the actual documents, we've just read what's been reported on, which is usually not accurate.  In my experience, you hit the business AND the house.  Especially with CP cases.  The rule is to get every electronic device the suspect has access too.  That doesn't stop at work.  And I'm pretty sure they don't know that Josh is supposed to be in jesus jail for the internet. 

Gotcha. I know initially they said they searched the big house, which was then denied and then retracted. A person from DHS confirmed they were at the car lot address. They did not confirm they were at the big house. But of course your're right, those are news reports and who knows where the spokesperson came from. Likely more to the story as you said.

3 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

With regards to Anna, do you guys think the Duggar kids will start to resent her? Josh and Anna have the largest brood, which means they're sucking up the most resources, and Josh's defense is about to eat up a healthy chunk of change. I'm sure they know logically the CP isn't Anna's fault, but it's not uncommon to have misdirected anger, especially when money's involved. I know it's unlikely she'll ever move back to Florida, but I don't know if I could spend the rest of my life being known as the wife of the family fuck-up. It seems like a miserable existence. 

They seem to love Anna but at a certain point they've got to be thinking, stop making babies with him please! 

[Zella]

13 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

Interesting.  So he didn't bother to update his official residents on his official government documents.  Shocking.  But since he is known to live on JB's property, I wonder if they deafferented the big house from the she shed?  The last search warrant I went on in December, they had done surveillance on the house for so long, the sworn guys actually chided the suspect for making his wife take the trash to the curb late at night.  The police usually do a lot of recon before doing the search warrant.

The voter registration one really bothers me because I'm a poll worker here, so from my training, I know that your registering address should be "where you lay your head at night," and I am pretty sure Josh does not qualify to use that address under that condition. My guess is that address is also on his DL. 

[iwantcookies]

3 hours ago, Arkay said:

That’s cute. Awhile back I think someone commented that the name should be “Martyr,” which I think is apropos.
 

Personally I think she should name the baby “MyTubesAreTied.”

I suggested Martyr. 
 

 

[Lukeysboat]

9 hours ago, 3girlsforus said:

Preferred by whom? The actual court documents use the term child pornography. 

 

The term I mentioned or something similar is preferred by public health organizations in the U.S. And places such as—

The Child Rescue Coalition: https://childrescuecoalition.org/educations/its-not-child-pornography-its-child-sexual-abuse-material/

Interpol:
https://www.interpol.int/en/Crimes/Crimes-against-children/Appropriate-terminology

The Internet Watch Foundation says this: “The IWF uses the term child sexual abuse content to accurately reflect the gravity of the images we deal with. Please note that child pornography, child porn and kiddie porn are not acceptable terms. The use of such language acts to legitimise images which are not pornography, rather, they are permanent records of children being sexually exploited and as such should be referred to as child sexual abuse images.”

I’m sure many many other reputable organizations agree. 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Lukeysboat
Mention there are similar terms.

[cmr2014]

23 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

With regards to Anna, do you guys think the Duggar kids will start to resent her? Josh and Anna have the largest brood, which means they're sucking up the most resources, and Josh's defense is about to eat up a healthy chunk of change. I'm sure they know logically the CP isn't Anna's fault, but it's not uncommon to have misdirected anger, especially when money's involved. I know it's unlikely she'll ever move back to Florida, but I don't know if I could spend the rest of my life being known as the wife of the family fuck-up. It seems like a miserable existence. 

I don't know about any of that. Gothard teaches that victims of abuse are responsible for abuse and that wives are responsible for straying husbands because they were not sufficiently "joyfully available."

The older daughters didn't particularly like Anna before the family moved to DC. I don't know that they like her more now.

Assuming that Josh is convicted, Anna is in a real bind. She can't divorce or remarry, so the baby-making machine will shut down, and that's all she's good for in Gothard-world. I would imagine that she would take over some function at the compound -- maybe laundry like Grandma Mary. It will certainly be grim.

[emmawoodhouse]

I think that much of the reason the older girls may not like Anna is due to Smuggar. I don't think there's any love lost between the girls and him, and unfortunately that ill will extends to Anna to a certain extent.