Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[cocobeans]

Sorry, I should have specified. I live in Philly, so I know he's close, just didn't think of why he would be coming here unless specifically for the strippers. So where does he tell Anna he's going, I wonder.

Oh, my bad Poopchute -- there is a sentence I never thought I would type!

 

My guess, maybe he told folks he was going to a prayer meeting with Rick Santorum?

[Churchhoney]

Quote above from the linked article, bold mine

 

8 minutes on the ground?! JD didn't even stop the airplane.   Just slowed down and threw Josh and his suitcase out!

Bye Felicia*

 

LMFAO

 

*Edit to add an insult I forgot :-)

 

Not only did John David get to vent a few things on Joshie boy, but Jim Bob probably paid less in landing fees that way.

[Anne Elk]

I am a convert from Christianity to Judaism. In the procees I studied under Reform, Conservative and Orthodox Rabbi. My post was from Chabad.org.

Here is the link I should have

posted

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/510244/jewish/Ritual-purity-after-birth-of-males-and-females.htm

 

Thanks for the link! 

[KittyS]

The part that cracked me up was when she said he promised her $1500 but only paid $1000. Ha! Like father, like son.

Buy used and save the difference! Edited August 26, 2015 by KittyS

[Fuzzysox]

So I read the daily schedule. No way is Josh, a grown man, going to stick that one out. I can see him calling an Uber for a ride to O'Hare airport and walking out in broad daylight.

Before he hits O'Hare he can make a stop by Heavenly Bodies (fancy stripclub) than the seedy adult bookstore near O'Hare. Don't let the Windy City hit you on the way out Joshie. Ciao!! Edited August 26, 2015 by Fuzzysox

[Missy Vixen]

Not only did John David get to vent a few things on Joshie boy, but Jim Bob probably paid less in landing fees that way.

Imagine the conversation re: "We're flying up there in the middle of the night and NOBODY will know until we announce it."

 

Hopefully John David at least slowed the plane so Anna could get out safely. She's allegedly in the Chicago area, too, if the information I read earlier is correct. (And I wonder about that -- she wouldn't leave her month-old baby, would she?)

[3 is enough]

Wonder if Jim Bob gave Josh an ultimatum: Finish the program or I cut you off without a penny.

 

I don't think Anna is in Illinois. People were speculating if JD flew her and the kids to see Priscilla, but then someone pointed out that the plane is too small for that many passengers.

Edited August 26, 2015 by 3 is enough

[leighdear]

 

In fairness, they make the patients do all the cleaning work at The Betty Ford Center, too.

But the schedule shows ONLY the women cleaning, from 9am to 4 pm on Saturdays.  The men are all in Bible Study.  Men have NO cleaning hours according to the schedule.  Idiots. 

[Joe Jitsu913]

Excuse my random thoughts. It's been a looong day:

I bet the "counsel" that Anna is receiving is more along the lines of blackmail: "If you stay with Josh, like a good wife, you'll remain under my umbrella of protection where you and the grandbabies will be taken care of. If you leave Josh, then you and the grandbabies will be cut off indefinitely." - Jim Bob

In Duggarville, molesting children means you're just "curious". Cheating on your spouse and watching porn are "wrong choices", but being in a consensual relationship with someone of the same sex is considered a sin worth going to hell for.

This supposed rehab is just a scam. Not surprised. The Duggars do things "a little bit differently" so why would this rehab be anything but a scam? Josh has a Madonna/Whore complex. How is praying going to change 26+ years of brainwashing and misogyny as opposed to licensed therapy?

Whether Anna realizes it or not, SHE has the power here. Not Jim Bob, not Josh and not Mullet. They need her more than she needs them at this moment. They need her to play the faithful housewife who stands by her man. If Anna were to leave, the Duggars' image would be ruined (even more than it already is). They cannot afford to have her divorce Josh. She knows too much and is by far, a liability if she leaves him.

[NextIteration]

Women have to wear uniforms to church as well.  What a freaking mess this places is.

[shipmate]

So over on the Facebook Uproxx page, there is a link to the article of him, the stripper (porn star?) and the rough sex.  it's the comments where it gets interesting:

 

Charles Flanders: I used to kick this fucker out of strip clubs in Fayetteville on a weekly basis for offering dancers/strippers money and drugs for sex. This fucker is a douche.

Charles Flanders: He would just be the nicest guy until he got fuckerd up he get hands have to tell cut it out. Then the girls would tell me that digger guy (that's just what the girls called him) grabbed a handful or he let a finger slip, then he'd wine and offer money but he'd come back week after week.

Charles Flanders The worst I ever had to do was tell him time to go.

(when asked if he knew who Josh was) --Charles Flanders Yeah Weaver, in Northwest Arkansas if you don't know about Jim Bob and his circus, you live in a hole.

 

(when someone questioned if he was telling the truth) Charles Flanders Andrew cool is right I know nothing what I'm saying. he obviously knows the truth let him tell you the name of the strip club and his favorite dancers that he had "relations" with. Go ahead you must know the truth.

 

Charles Flanders Lori Mac the first couple of times I didn't care (still dont) then when he would tell me the whole "do you know who my dad is bs". After the 3rd or 4th time I got to know him.

[Julia]

Of course the facility has degrading strictures on female "patients." Wouldn't want to accidentally let their self-esteem recover while they're in rehab.

[Fuzzysox]

I love the final quote in this article..... 'We don't focus on the addiction'. Gee that sounds really effective.

This is why I'm sayng scam to it being a rehab. A real rehab would have licensed doctors and therapists.

Why don't they call it what it is, biblebelting bootcamp til you get fixed.

Hope they aren't getting state funds to run this because the state is BROKE. Real doctors as well as daycare centers are not getting paid. To see state money being misused really makes my blood boil.

Edited August 26, 2015 by Fuzzysox

[Churchhoney]

Imagine the conversation re: "We're flying up there in the middle of the night and NOBODY will know until we announce it."

 

 

I kind of think that the Duggars do know that people can easily find, and probably interpret, their flight information. There's been a long and ongoing battle between rich individual and business owners of private planes and the government about just what should be required before the FAA suppresses information about a flight plan. They want to do it only in cases where there's a clear security threat to the plane's passengers and, of course, people who own private planes would like the "security threat" thing to be interpreted as loosely as possible so they can keep many flights off the public record. That seems to me like the kind of thing that Jim Boob, dim as he is, would know about.

[jschoolgirl]

wonder if Josh would qualify for assistance

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Josh is unemployed, and if all assets are in Boob's name, then technically Josh is indigent.

"Get a job" indeed!

[Defrauder]

Excuse my random thoughts. It's been a looong day:

I bet the "counsel" that Anna is receiving is more along the lines of blackmail: "If you stay with Josh, like a good wife, you'll remain under my umbrella of protection where you and the grandbabies will be taken care of. If you leave Josh, then you and the grandbabies will be cut off indefinitely." - Jim Bob

In Duggarville, molesting children means you're just "curious". Cheating on your spouse and watching porn are "wrong choices", but being in a consensual relationship with someone of the same sex is considered a sin worth going to hell for.

This supposed rehab is just a scam. Not surprised. The Duggars do things "a little bit differently" so why would this rehab be anything but a scam? Josh has a Madonna/Whore complex. How is praying going to change 26+ years of brainwashing and misogyny as opposed to licensed therapy?

Whether Anna realizes it or not, SHE has the power here. Not Jim Bob, not Josh and not Mullet. They need her more than she needs them at this moment. They need her to play the faithful housewife who stands by her man. If Anna were to leave, the Duggars' image would be ruined (even more than it already is). They cannot afford to have her divorce Josh. She knows too much and is by far, a liability if she leaves him.

Excellent Post!

[Barbie]

I'm hoping that 6 months without Josh will show Anna how much she DOESN'T need him in her life.... 

[Celia Rubenstein]

But the schedule shows ONLY the women cleaning, from 9am to 4 pm on Saturdays.  The men are all in Bible Study.  Men have NO cleaning hours according to the schedule.  Idiots. 

 

The schedule also shows no one gets lunch during the week and some days people get dressed after they have already attended meetings in the mornings. It's a mess.  But it would not surprise me the women really do have to do all the cleaning.  In some other spot they mentions maintenance, and I envision the menfolk doing that work.   Painting, trimming hedges, etc.  Extremely stereotypical.  But I doubt the women are the only ones doing chores.  It's supposed to be character building or something and integrate you into the patient community. But I would bet they would never make a woman cut the grass or a man scrub a toilet.  The universe would shift entirely off kilter if something like that happened, I'm sure.

 

Women have to wear uniforms to church as well.  What a freaking mess this places is.

 

The men have to wear similar "uniform shirts" with which they are free to wear a navy or black blazer, lol (women may wear their own navy or black cardigan).  So everyone is wearing the little monkey suits to church, not just the women.

 

This place sounds more like boarding school than rehab.

Edited August 26, 2015 by Celia Rubenstein

[leighdear]

 

Josh is unemployed, and if all assets are in Boob's name, then technically Josh is indigent

But Josh is not a resident of the state of Illinois.  He's a visitor.  I don't know any specifics, but I don't think an individual can just move out of state into a privately owned facility on a temporary basis and claim residency and benefits. 

 

Don't most colleges & universities, make you reside in the state for at least a year before claiming resident status? This has got to be similar.  But they receive government funds, and we don't know if this place does. 

 

Josh is not now, nor has ever been a resident of Illinois.  I don't see how within 48 hours, he can be eligible for anything.  

Edited August 26, 2015 by leighdear

[MrHufflepuff]

"Hyles–Anderson College (HAC) is an unaccredited Independent Baptist college in unincorporated Crown Point, Lake County, Indiana.[2]"

 

And OF COURSE the place where most of these jokes went to school is a joke school.     

He would be a perfect fit. He has no real education either.

 

HAC was founded by Jack Hyles, who was accused of having affairs, and the affiliated church had numerous molestation scandals during his reign.  His daughter gave a TED talk a few years back talking about her messed up childhood.

 

Hyles' son-in-law is Jack Schapp, who took over after Hyles died.  Schapp was sentenced to prison for having an affair with an underage girl.  

 

Here's a sermon of Schapp's (probably NSFW) in which he -- well, this is just a weird sermon.

 

 

I wouldn't trust anyone from HAC about curing sexual addiction issues.

[Cherrio]

Ok, so while not accredited, you MUST be a pervert molester and felon.      

 

I think I need to take a break too.   ALL these people make me sick.

[Anne Elk]

Gawker confirmed Josh is at RU.

 

One of the ills this facility claims to treat is "post-rape depression." I just don't even know what to say. 

 

ETA: Sorry, apparently I was wrong about the post-rape depression thing. Thank goodness. 

Edited August 26, 2015 by Anne Elk

[SmallTownMom]

Anna is probably being "counseled" by this circus of idiots.  Didn't she blame herself and her cooking for Josh being overweight?  She was raised to think anything that goes wrong is her fault.

 

I sincerely hope that she tells the whole Duggar clan to leave her alone.  A few months of being on her own, taking care of her kids, and making choices for herself may give her some self esteem.  You can do it, Anna.  Other women have in even worse circumstances.

 

I want to see this young lady blossom, out of the shadow of this cult.  If she stays with him, heaven help her because Josh isn't going to change.

[Chai]

I'm surprised nothing happened sooner if he was going into strip clubs like that ALL THE TIME! and while there asking "Do you know who my father is???? !!!!!

[CofCinci]

I wonder if Josh begged his brother to turn the plane around?

[jschoolgirl]

How did Josh get drugs to offer to strippers? How did he get the money? Did he have an allowance from Boob before coming up to D.C.? Who sold him the drugs in the first place? That will be slower to come out; no one will want to admit to that.

[Chai]

While Josh is away how will Anna pay the bills and buy groceries and other things for which money is needed? Where did his money come from? TLC? I hope Anna uses some , if there is any and opens her own checking account. I would hope for more, but I am afraid to say she probably won't.

 

These people are making me sick too. 

[Celia Rubenstein]

This is why I'm sayng scam to it being a rehab. A real rehab would have licensed doctors and therapists.

Why don't they call it what it is, biblebelting bootcamp til you get fixed.

 

It is just bible camp.  There is no indication of real therapy being given, just a lot of sermons and bible study and journaling.  You are basically supposed to just read a lot of scripture and magically change yourself.  Good luck with that. 

 

The good news is the aftercare plan includes someone assuming the role of "discipler" in a graduate's life.  huh? WTF is that about? It sounds like just assigning yet another person the responsibility to monitor Josh and keep him in check.  Hasn't this been tried and tried and failed and failed?  Josh Duggar needs to learn to keep himself in check.  The answer is not having his sisters sleep in their clothes behind locked doors, forbidden to play hide and seek. The answer is not to have Anna call snap inspections of his online activities.  The answer is not having Jim Bob or some other old coot from their cult have once a week sit downs with Josh to remind him not to be a lying, sneaking, cheating perverted WHOREMONGER. 

 

I just can't anymore.  

 

One of the ills this facility claims to treat is "post-rape depression." I just don't even know what to say.

 

My head just exploded.  Please excuse the mess. 

[Satchels of gold]

But Josh is not a resident of the state of Illinois.  He's a visitor.  I don't know any specifics, but I don't think an individual can just move out of state into a privately owned facility on a temporary basis and claim residency and benefits. 

 

Don't most colleges & universities, make you reside in the state for at least a year before claiming resident status? This has got to be similar.  But they receive government funds, and we don't know if this place does. 

 

Josh is not now, nor has ever been a resident of Illinois.  I don't see how within 48 hours, he can be eligible for anything.

I posted this on another thread but don't remember which one. Each state has different residency requirements. In Pa where I used to practice you could declare I'm on Pa soil so I am a resident and get benefits. In NC you must show either a drivers liscene or a utility bill in your name. Either way these benefits are meant for permanent residents of the state and not to subsidize some religious gulag.

[GeeGolly]

I work in the Behavioral Health field. My work is with folks who carry a mental health diagnosis, and many of them have dual diags. I am very familiar with rehabs, supportive living and half-way houses in my area because many of them refer their clients to us. The rehabs in my area are staffed with folks who have certificates in addiction rehabilitation (many w/ addiction histories) and few, if any have any type of degree. Not one of the facilities I am familiar with has any medical staff or mental health staff, because the treatment models are different. Most addiction clients seek mental health therapy in addition to addiction counseling, and if psychiatric medication is indicated, they would be referred to a prescriber at a mental health agency, most likely by their therapist.

 

Not sure this place isn't a scam but it is not too far off from the norm. And many rehabs follow 12 step recovery which has a spiritual base to it.

[3girlsforus]

 

 

The good news is the aftercare plan includes someone assuming the role of "discipler" in a graduate's life.  huh? WTF is that about? 

 

Yikes - I read this as role of 'discipliner'... and my mind went to a really bad place LOL

[Churchhoney]

he was going into strip clubs like that ALL THE TIME! and while there asking "Do you know who my father is???? !!!!!

 

This is my favorite part. Especially since the answer is -- A wannabe and a never was? (and an idiot). Seriously.

[sleekandchic]

So I read the daily schedule. No way is Josh, a grown man, going to stick that one out. I can see him calling an Uber for a ride to O'Hare airport and walking out in broad daylight.

I love this post, and completely agree.

I've been feeling bad for Josh being forced into this unfathomable type of faux-rehab. But TheFinalRose is correct. He's not imprisoned or chained to the wall. Walk out.

What a colossal mess! I personally dont believe Josh needs rehab or prayer-warrioring. He needs to live an authentic life. His poor wife and kids are true victims, but forcing Josh back into the life he hates is not healthy for any of them. Misery is not God-prescribed, imo.

Imo, Josh should announce he can no longer live the Gothardite way, leave, and publicly proclaim Anna an innocent victim of his iniquity. Settle a huge financial lump sum, plus monthly alimony and child support. Move far far away.

Easier said than done, right? I know. Josh! Be brave for once in your life.

[Defrauder]

I'm surprised nothing happened sooner if he was going into strip clubs like that ALL THE TIME! and while there asking "Do you know who my father is???? !!!!!

I think there is definitely a code of secrecy for the patrons of such places.  They'd be out of business if there weren't.  Kind of like a doctor patient confidentiality in another kind of way.

Edited August 26, 2015 by Defrauder

[Churchhoney]

The good news is the aftercare plan includes someone assuming the role of "discipler" in a graduate's life.  huh? WTF is that about? It sounds like just assigning yet another person the responsibility to monitor Josh and keep him in check.  Hasn't this been tried and tried and failed and failed?  Josh Duggar needs to learn to keep himself in check.

 

And yet with all this talk of being monitored by other people, there's basically no attention paid to the idea of helping anybody build true social networks, with real friends, communication, a sense of meaning. Even the Duggar siblings get split apart if they're of different sexes. And you're supposed to confess everything to your parents, but those confessions don't have anything to do with actual honesty, talking things out, working problems through, mutual sharing, people actually getting to know each other in a deep way. ....

 

Your whole relationship with other people boils down to either you being somebody's cop or having them be your cop. Beyond that, they don't promote human relationships at all. When it seems pretty clear that it's real relationships and real communication and so on that actually help people, including when said people suffer from addictions. Instead they actually promote isolation. So stupid.

Edited August 26, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Defrauder]

Hate to say it but Josh may be going to this place for free or at a Duggar discount since they did some kind of ad for this place awhile back either on their website or FB.  Speaking of the Duggar FB I used to read it from time to time for the negative comments even though I myself don't have a FB account.  I tried to read their FB today and it won't let me read it without logging in.  I don't know if this is just a new FB rule of if it's just a new Duggar rule.

Edited August 26, 2015 by Defrauder

[Anne Elk]

I watched the full video Gawker referred to and I didn't see anything about post-rape depression. So that appears to not be true. Sorry for my mistake.

 

About the discipler thing: It sounds like when the addict is returned to wherever they came from, they are assigned a local minder, basically, to watch and keep them on the straight and narrow. I'm betting Josh gets Jim Bob. Nice going, Josh -- now you'll never get away from the guy.

 

Also, they kind of implied that the addicts are expected to return to their home churches and then be a kind of distance minister for RU to the community. So yeah, it looks like we can expect to see Reformed Josh launching his own ministry as soon as rehab is over.

Edited August 26, 2015 by Anne Elk

[GreyBunny]

Wow they are scamming the taxpayers of Illinois. Just what I wanted to hear especially since our state is broke that we have to feed Josh Duggar at his pray it away bible camp!

They brag about how cheap they are.  On a prominent part of their website:

 

Unlike Other Residential Recovery Programs that Cost Thousands More…

 

Yup.  They can't be arsed to get qualified counselors, or even feed their inmates oops "residents."

 

Just like the scientologists' SeaOrg: Free slave labor and no enrichment or counseling that's worth a damn.  

[MarysWetBar]

Quote above from the linked article, bold mine

8 minutes on the ground?! JD didn't even stop the airplane. Just slowed down and threw Josh and his suitcase out!

Bye Felicia*

LMFAO

*Edit to add an insult I forgot :-)

Bahahahaha!! "Bye Felicia!"

You are my new internet bff! !

Never thought I'd see THAT reference on the Duggar board, gf!

[Julia]

Here's a sermon of Schapp's (probably NSFW) in which he -- well, this is just a weird sermon.

 

I can't bring myself to watch the rest of that. Is there some reason the nice man is masturbating a dowel?

[CofCinci]

It is just bible camp. There is no indication of real therapy being given, just a lot of sermons and bible study and journaling. You are basically supposed to just read a lot of scripture and magically change yourself. Good luck with that.

The good news is the aftercare plan includes someone assuming the role of "discipler" in a graduate's life. huh? WTF is that about? It sounds like just assigning yet another person the responsibility to monitor Josh and keep him in check. Hasn't this been tried and tried and failed and failed? Josh Duggar needs to learn to keep himself in check. The answer is not having his sisters sleep in their clothes behind locked doors, forbidden to play hide and seek. The answer is not to have Anna call snap inspections of his online activities. The answer is not having Jim Bob or some other old coot from their cult have once a week sit downs with Josh to remind him not to be a lying, sneaking, cheating perverted WHOREMONGER.

I just can't anymore.

My head just exploded. Please excuse the mess.

At least with bible camp they throw some S'mores your way. At this place if they find you in the pantry, they'll punish you.

[Gemma Violet]

8 minutes on the ground?! JD didn't even stop the airplane.   Just slowed down and threw Josh and his suitcase out!

 

This amuses me.  Not only did the trip to the facility take place in darkness (not the safest time to fly a small plane I would assume), but JD didn't even wait a few hours until daylight to take off for home.  He could have hung around the airport for a few hours until dawn.  Of course, Jim Bob must have insisted he come home immediately for fear another son is led astray by any strippers or porn stars hanging around the airport.

Edited August 26, 2015 by Gemma Violet

[leighdear]

I would think Jim Bob would have been on the plane.  No way he's going to let both of his oldest sons be alone, regardless of how short the time period. 

[AuntieDiane6]

 

He needs to see a licensed doctor that might figure out why he has acted out and if he has deep depression issues. Only from there can they start the slow process of helping him.

 

My gaydar has been going off since I first saw his photo … I think he is in desperate denial--a hyper-heterosexual--in order to deny the one sin that would probably get him booted from the family.

 

And all this makes me wonder about the other Duggar boys (and maybe even the girls) … Are there any other skeletons in their closet?

[Vaysh]

I'm surprised nothing happened sooner if he was going into strip clubs like that ALL THE TIME! and while there asking "Do you know who my father is???? !!!!!

 

Such a cliché our Josh...

I think there is definitely a code of secrecy for the patrons of such places.  They'd be out of business if there weren't.  Kind of like a doctor patient confidentiality in another kind of way.

 

Though "Alice" stated that Josh was addicted to porn and visiting strip clubs way back when so it can't have been too much of a secret. Or was Alice a member of their church and found out when Josh confessed and "repented" in front of the congregation? I forget. It's fascinating that pretty much everything "Alice" wrote years ago has turned out to be true; the porn, the strip clubs, the molestation. Is there anything else she wrote about that hasn't seen the light yet? (Aside from Michelle's lack of parenting, but we all knew that).

[Satchels of gold]

I work in the Behavioral Health field. My work is with folks who carry a mental health diagnosis, and many of them have dual diags. I am very familiar with rehabs, supportive living and half-way houses in my area because many of them refer their clients to us. The rehabs in my area are staffed with folks who have certificates in addiction rehabilitation (many w/ addiction histories) and few, if any have any type of degree. Not one of the facilities I am familiar with has any medical staff or mental health staff, because the treatment models are different. Most addiction clients seek mental health therapy in addition to addiction counseling, and if psychiatric medication is indicated, they would be referred to a prescriber at a mental health agency, most likely by their therapist.

Not sure this place isn't a scam but it is not too far off from the norm. And many rehabs follow 12 step recovery which has a spiritual base to it.

I am an LCSW and I looked into become an addictions counselor and it was very rigorous, a good two years to complete as well as hundreds of hours of supervised practice. I know each state has their own guidelines for liscensure but it was nothing to sneeze at. This treatment center does not have anyone even certified in anything by the state let alone degreed in anything (we aren't going to consider a BS in church work a real degree). In addition it clearly states anyone with any medical issues or requiring two or more doctor visits will be discharged. There are no consulting psychiatrist, psychiatric nurses , social workers to treat patients. Lastly AA is a spiritual program but not a religious one. As far as Josh is concerned let him go to the work camp, He knows what he's getting into but I would hate to see anyone go to this place seeking any type of real treatment for their "sin" of addiction. This is not an industry standard.

ETA: I just reread this and it sounds so hostile, I swear I don't mean it that way. It just makes me crazy what passes as treatment (or education or medical care.,..) with these groups.

Edited August 27, 2015 by nc socialworker

[CherryMalotte]

I got this from the Rockford article...

 

that the residential program, which costs $7,500, is a voluntary, work-based program. The members of the program perform work from cooking to construction.

 

Right, better he pound nails than strippers.  That's really going to help any addiction he has, which I don't think he has.  Being a horndog is not an addiction, just an annoyance to most women.  

[Julia]

I find it troubling that Josh is being placed in a facility with women in recovery. The last thing women in recovery need is to be faced with a predator who knows how to trap his prey during supervised chore time, and the last thing Josh needs is to have access to women who aren't good at defending themselves.

 

There is absolutely no way in the world that Josh shouldn't have gone to a single-sex facility. Which makes me wonder if this may not have been the only one they could find which wouldn't guarantee to exclude people of non-heterosexual inclinations.

[GeeGolly]

I am an LCSW and I looked into become an addictions counselor and it was very rigorous, a good two years to complete as well as hundreds of hours of supervised practice. I know each state has their own guidelines for liscensure but it was nothing to sneeze at. This treatment center does not have anyone even certified in anything by the state let alone degreed in anything (we aren't going to consider a BS in church work a real degree). In addition it clearly states anyone with any medical issues or requiring two or more doctor visits will be discharged. There are no consulting psychiatrist, psychiatric nurses , social workers to treat patients. Lastly AA is a spiritual program but not a religious one. As far as Josh is concerned let him go to the work camp, He knows what he's getting into but I would hate to see anyone go to this place seeking any type of real treatment for their "sin" of addiction. This is not an industry standard.

I'm an LICSW, and the area I bolded is the norm in my area, and insurance companies pay for treatment. The most common addiction treatment is for drugs/alcohol and unless they have a mental health diagnosis the only psychiatric treatment they will receive would be for methadone, Suboxone, and the like. And the prescribers (Psychiatrists & APRNs) I work with will not prescribe for folks without the patients also seeing a mental health Clinician.

[Fuzzysox]

I'm hoping that 6 months without Josh will show Anna how much she DOESN'T need him in her life....

By then she will become independant and take out her own garbage.