Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[mythoughtis]

Jill may very well want Derick there. She doesn’t know the total evidence against Josh for this offense. He is still her brother and she probably wants to be informed.   She has no knowledge of computers, and is getting no information from family members.  She can either read the Suns’ sensationalized coverage, read this forum…. Or have Derick there to give her a full report at the end of the trial- since she’s no longer a potential witness. 
If I were her and couldn’t go myself, I’d want a trusted person to go for me. 

Edited December 7, 2021 by mythoughtis

[CountryGirl]

6 hours ago, iwantcookies said:

I’m surprised Anna is wearing heels daily and her dress looks short. 
 

Joshua looks like he lost weight!

 

Well hopefully Anna’s about to lose 250 lbs. 

Not that she’ll see it that way. 

[MsJamieDornan]

2 hours ago, merylinkid said:

I do not blame Derek being there.

I dont blame him either. Supporting Anna is a kind thing to do. And watching the whole thing in person will be valuable to him. But when he shook Josh's hand and greeted him, it made me wonder.

[BitterApple]

Just saw this on Reddit. DuggarSnarkers donated over $5,000 to Arkansas Children's Safety Center to help victims of abuse.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/rb841k/childrens_safety_center_in_springdale_arkansas/

A nice note of positivity in what's been a very stressful few weeks. 

[Panopticon]

I don’t have anything to add, but just wanted to post on page 666.

On topic: Josh is a sex pest, Derick has nice suits, Jim Bob will not allow it, and so far as we know Austin hasn’t punched anyone yet.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Panopticon
Damn you autocorrect

[CountryGirl]

6 hours ago, hathorlive said:

It's very different to learn by watching and using and understanding how the OS is set up, the structure of the file system and limitations governing user accounts, programs, and networking.  She shouldn't have been given this case without formal Linux training on her CV.

If she was looking to make a name for herself, well…

[Sile]

2 hours ago, Nysha said:

Given how easily the prosecution was able to rip the defense's expert testimony apart, there is no way in hell any of the Duggars would have lasted being cross examined.

JB definitely got what he paid for.

Buy used and save the difference!

53 minutes ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

Yeah, it’s sounding more snd more like a Dollar. Tree defense.

I'm still shell shocked by the news that everything is going up to $1.25 after the first of the year.  Ol' JB was pretty savvy to get in on that before the price change!

[GeeGolly]

2 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Just saw this on Reddit. DuggarSnarkers donated over $5,000 to Arkansas Children's Safety Center to help victims of abuse.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/rb841k/childrens_safety_center_in_springdale_arkansas/

A nice note of positivity in what's been a very stressful few weeks. 

This is too awesome!

[Madtown]

5 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Just saw this on Reddit. DuggarSnarkers donated over $5,000 to Arkansas Children's Safety Center to help victims of abuse.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/rb841k/childrens_safety_center_in_springdale_arkansas/

A nice note of positivity in what's been a very stressful few weeks. 

This so fantastic! Take that JB and your disgusting piece of shit son!

 

[SusanM]

I know we've discussed the likely sentence Smuggar would get should he be found guilty but I can't remember now if anyone talked about any difference in sentencing there might have been should he have taken a plea.  I ask because unless Smuggar is still living in the great City of Delusion he has to be thinking tonight that there is a chance he is actually going to be found guilty.   Would a plea have made any difference to how much time he would spend behind bars?

Edited December 7, 2021 by SusannahM

[emmawoodhouse]

50 minutes ago, Trillium said:

Oh, the truth did come out, JB. I also love their graphics team blurred out Meech so they could put the quote in. 😂

No you scumbag, I am not praying for most of your family. The truth has come out, and my thoughts are with all the victims, Including the Duggar daughters you failed to protect.

Edited December 8, 2021 by emmawoodhouse

[CountryGirl]

4 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I read that Michelle mentioned that her report was 100 pages long. Really, sweetie? A hundred pages of what, exactly? Bitching about the router? 😂

Bless her heart. 

3 hours ago, hathorlive said:

He's there because he gets to observe all the things he was taught in law school.  Technique, jury reactions, judge's rulings, arguments for evidence.  All of it.  And it's relevant because he's related to the scumbag in question.  If anyone I knew was going to court, I would be there too.  There's nothing wrong with going to watch people you want to be like do their thing.  And as for dressing up, at least he knows what is proper in court.  If he's smart, he'd pass out some resumes while he's at it.  Or maybe go study for the bar, lol.

I have plenty of reasons to criticize Derek. His presence at the trial isn’t one of them. 

[TeeMo]

5 hours ago, Zella said:

The Sun is now reporting that they've misidentified Jason as Jed. Again. LOL 

Not going to lie, this has been my favorite part of The Sun’s reporting. 😂

[hathorlive]

3 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

How many witnesses did they call? One? 

All the other people that Josh knows were either on the sex offender register or in jail.  It kind of limited the defense.

Edited December 8, 2021 by hathorlive

[Ohiopirate02]

4 minutes ago, SusannahM said:

I know we've discussed the likely sentence Smuggar would get should he be found guilty but I can't remember now if anyone talked about any difference in sentencing there might have been should he have taken a plea.  I ask because unless Smuggar is still living in the great City of Delusion he has to be thinking tonight that there is a chance he is actually going to be found guilty.   Would a plea have made any difference to how much time he would spend behind bars?

A plea probably would have knocked off a year or two from the sentence.  But, that would have required Josh to say he did it in some fashion, and JB and Josh could not spin that.  Josh being found guilty by a jury can still be spun into some fantasy of Josh being persecuted and this trial being a miscarriage of justice, yada yada yada.  

[CandyCaneTree]

22 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

Well hopefully Anna’s about to lose 250 lbs. 

Not that she’ll see it that way. 

If he goes away does it mean that she still has a husband? 

[hathorlive]

3 minutes ago, TeeMo said:

Not going to lie, this has been my favorite part of The Sun’s reporting. 😂

If they really wanted to be clever, they would just report "misc. Duggar male" instead of even trying a name.  Or perhaps "receding hair line #4"?

[heckkitty]

1 minute ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

A plea probably would have knocked off a year or two from the sentence.  But, that would have required Josh to say he did it in some fashion, and JB and Josh could not spin that.  Josh being found guilty by a jury can still be spun into some fantasy of Josh being persecuted and this trial being a miscarriage of justice, yada yada yada.  

This is almost guaranteed to happen, I'm afraid.  Also Satan's fault.

[Gemma Violet]

Daily Mail says that Jill dropped Derick off at the courthouse.  The article includes pictures of Jill in the car:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10285511/Jill-Duggar-drops-husband-Derick-brother-Josh-Duggars-trial.html

[CountryGirl]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I present to you, Ms Michele Bush.

Even her drawing knows this is going downhill - fast. 

[all fall down]

While I was interested to hear what Jill would have said during her testimony, I bet she's releived that she didn't have to do that. 

JB isn't interested in the truth. If Josh isn't convicted, he will claim that as the truth. If Josh is convicted, he will blame satan. He won't be able to accept that his son did these things as the truth, even though it is. 

[Albanyguy]

6 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Josh being found guilty by a jury can still be spun into some fantasy of Josh being persecuted and this trial being a miscarriage of justice, yada yada yada.  

I think they'll blame the lawyers for not allowing Josh to take the stand in his own defense: "If Josh had been able to testify, he would have explained everything and proved to the jury that he was innocent!".

[Churchhoney]

38 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

If she was looking to make a name for herself, well…

She'll be able to prove or disprove the proposition that there's no such thing as bad publicity. 

Josh, I think, should spend his evening preparing for a very new season of life. But there are some people who finally figure out how they need to live from that experience. Since he's got seven kids, I sure hope he turns out to be one of those. 

Edited December 8, 2021 by Churchhoney

[irisheyes]

14 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

If they really wanted to be clever, they would just report "misc. Duggar male" instead of even trying a name.  Or perhaps "receding hair line #4"?

They could just call them The Howlers. 😀

[Westiepeach]

17 minutes ago, CandyCaneTree said:

If he goes away does it mean that she still has a husband? 

But who will take out the trash?

[Churchhoney]

25 minutes ago, SusannahM said:

I know we've discussed the likely sentence Smuggar would get should he be found guilty but I can't remember now if anyone talked about any difference in sentencing there might have been should he have taken a plea.  I ask because unless Smuggar is still living in the great City of Delusion he has to be thinking tonight that there is a chance he is actually going to be found guilty.   Would a plea have made any difference to how much time he would spend behind bars?

Hard to tell. Depends on what the judge decides to take into account, really. For most people like Josh, who don't have prior convictions and who would usually get five or six years if they pled guilty.  It looks like this court has been adding a year or two to that when people have been convicted, from the cases I've found. But I don't know how similar those people have been to Josh or what judges have taken into account to make those decisions. 

[Dianaofthehunt]

This photo of Jill touches me:
 

Edited December 8, 2021 by Dianaofthehunt

[CountryGirl]

6 minutes ago, Westiepeach said:

But who will take out the trash?

Ahem. 

[ginger90]

21 minutes ago, Westiepeach said:

But who will take out the trash?

The Federal Bureau of Prisons will, hopefully.

[hathorlive]

Beat me too it! Trashy is as trashy does.

Edited December 8, 2021 by hathorlive

[dariafan]

3 hours ago, merylinkid said:

I do not blame Derek being there.   One of the best things I ever did as a new attorney and I do with any baby attorneys I am mentoring is take a day to go court watch.   You can learn a lot -- including what NOT to do.   I've always said the Rules of Evidence make so much ore sense when you see them in action instead of read them in a book.   If he has the time, let him watch.   He's not doing anything wrong.

Pre-Covid we always got lookie loos in court.   People, who aren't even lawyers, have no legal background, who just like to come to court to watch.    WHY I have no clue.   I'm THERE actually doing something and I find it boring as hell most of the time.  But if someone wants to spend all day in court watching, let them.  

For 1 of my classes in college, we had to attend court 1 day .:.: it was interesting 

[louannems]

3 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

I'm getting ads for attorneys. 

I've been getting big ads for forensics.

[GeeGolly]

About 10 -15 years ago, I worked with a guy who was just released after 5 years in prison. He quietly came up to me and showed me a 10 dollar bill. He shyly asked me if it was counterfeit. Sometime during his sentence, paper money was redesigned and he had no idea. Cell phones went from flip to touch screen and Facebook was now hugely popular and he had never heard of it. I know there was more changes that I can't remember. A lot happens in 5 - 7 years.

Josh and Anna will be 40 in 7 years and their kids will range in age from 7 - 19. Who knows what else will change while he's locked up. Hopefully one of the changes is Anna divorces him.

[Jeanne222]

2 hours ago, Trillium said:

Oh, the truth did come out, JB. I also love their graphics team blurred out Meech so they could put the quote in. 😂

Well he no longer resides in Arkansas!  This man 's  living in the state of denial!!!

[Jeanne222]

1 hour ago, CandyCaneTree said:

If he goes away does it mean that she still has a husband? 

I hope he doesn't leave her pregnant!!!  October 23 baby was born!!!

[Annb67]

1 hour ago, Dianaofthehunt said:

This photo of Jill touches me:
 

Wow. You can see the pain on her face. You can run him over Jill. Enough people will raise money for some great lawyers. 

[Annb67]

 I hope he’s found guilty and taken straight out of court to jail. I wrote a little Christmas carol if that happens. Sing to the tune of Away in a Manger. 
 

Away in a jail cell no crib for a perv. The little Lord Joshley lay down his receding hairline head. The stars in the sky wouldn’t shine where he lay. The Lord Joshley perv asleep in cell block A. 

[JKL845]

I think they all will be relieved to have Josh in jail. Including Jim Bob, Michelle and even Anna. 

[LilJen]

4 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

He told them to make it fast so it would be cheaper! And I am joking! 

“it doesn’t take very long. And you are the only ones who can make a sandwich of reasonable doubt.”

also, when this family starts to fade into obscurity, we can just refer to all the male kids as RHL per @hathorlive’s suggestion.

Edited December 8, 2021 by LilJen

[Lady Jane]

1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

A plea probably would have knocked off a year or two from the sentence.  But, that would have required Josh to say he did it in some fashion, and JB and Josh could not spin that.  Josh being found guilty by a jury can still be spun into some fantasy of Josh being persecuted and this trial being a miscarriage of justice, yada yada yada.  

A plea also would have required an allocution -- he would have to testify under oath about his crimes, his responsibility for them, and his remorse. We know he's too arrogant to admit he did these things, and we know he's spent more than 30 years trying to avoid responsibility, and I think Josh is only ever sorry he gets caught. I doubt he'd embrace the idea that confession is good for the soul.

1 hour ago, Albanyguy said:

I think they'll blame the lawyers for not allowing Josh to take the stand in his own defense: "If Josh had been able to testify, he would have explained everything and proved to the jury that he was innocent!".

This would be foolhardy (wait, we're talking about the DUggars. . .)--every defense counsel makes it VERY VERY CLEAR to their client that they have a RIGHT to testify, but it is a horrible horrible idea to do so. They cannot and will not prevent a defendant from testifying. Doesn't mean the Duggars understand that . . .

1 hour ago, Dianaofthehunt said:

This photo of Jill touches me:
 

I cannot imagine what it is like to be Jill on a GOOD day, but I truly cannot imagine having lenses shoved in my face while I'm dropping my husband off at the trial of my abuser. After seeing this (and remembering that Jill was the one who drove Derrick to and from work, AND took him lunch everyday) I have new respect for Jill and the work she is doing to escape the fucktangle of shitweasels that is her family.

[Minivanessa]

2 minutes ago, Lady Jane said:

I have new respect for Jill and the work she is doing to escape the fucktangle of shitweasels that is her family.

OMG, I love "fucktangle of shitweasels" so much! THANK YOU for giving me my first belly laugh of a long long day!!

Edited December 8, 2021 by Jeeves

[iwantcookies]

30 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

Well he no longer resides in Arkansas!  This man 's  living in the state of denial!!!

He lives on island of men with no eyebrows 😎

[Jeanne222]

8 minutes ago, JKL845 said:

I think they all will be relieved to have Josh in jail. Including Jim Bob, Michelle and even Anna. 

I was just thinking the very same thought!  He's been such a negative in all their lives.

Poor Jill looks like she's bearing the weight of the world with all of this.

JimBob never fought for his girls like he did for this piece of trash son.

[iwantcookies]

Josh and Anna can be Meme and Poppy in 7 years. 
 

Anna dear are you pregnant? Blink twice for yes! Mia Miracle is a nice name 🤣. 
 

Do they have taco Tuesday me in jail? I can totally picture Joshua shoveling in tacos every Tuesday at home...

[Westiepeach]

I wonder if SexPest even realizes once he is found guilty and is sentenced to federal prison… it does not mean he gets to go back to the Reber’s spare bedroom. Shit’s about to get real. This ain’t Jesus jail… 

[Zella]

I was away from my computer for most of the afternoon so speed-reading through the updates. I'm shocked they rested after 2 defense witnesses, but for the life of me, I cannot figure out why the defense used the investigator as a defense witness. What was he supposed to be adding to their case? 

[MrsKravitz]

So will Jill be allowed in the courtroom now (if she wants to attend) since she wasn’t needed as a witness?

2 minutes ago, Zella said:

I was away from my computer for most of the afternoon so speed-reading through the updates. I'm shocked they rested after 2 defense witnesses, but for the life of me, I cannot figure out why the defense used the investigator as a defense witness. What was he supposed to be adding to their case? 

That they were only focused on Josh from the start?

[Minivanessa]

2 minutes ago, Zella said:

I was away from my computer for most of the afternoon so speed-reading through the updates. I'm shocked they rested after 2 defense witnesses, but for the life of me, I cannot figure out why the defense used the investigator as a defense witness. What was he supposed to be adding to their case? 

I was away from here all day and just finished my speed-read through the posts here.

And . . . now I'm looking over at the router in the corner of the room and wondering what nefarious shit it's getting up to. Dang.

[absnow54]

3 minutes ago, Zella said:

I was away from my computer for most of the afternoon so speed-reading through the updates. I'm shocked they rested after 2 defense witnesses, but for the life of me, I cannot figure out why the defense used the investigator as a defense witness. What was he supposed to be adding to their case? 

I think it was to show there were other employees in the shack sometimes and to remind people that Josh used an iPhone? I’m not sure. It seemed pointless.  

[iwantcookies]

2 hours ago, CandyCaneTree said:

If he goes away does it mean that she still has a husband? 

Yes. Anna is never going to leave! She is stuck to Boob’s Boob for life.