Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[zenme]

I'm sorry, but Josh is really, really smart. He said so himself on OKC.

 

No. 

 

BTW, not only would I be upset that my husband paid for a subscription to join a cheaters club, and paid a premium for guaranteed sex, but I'd also be mad that he paid for this while my kids and I were living in the mold house.  Mold.  With filthy mattresses too.  You have money to pay for that, but no money to get us clean mattresses, and de-mold our home?  Oh, I'd be throwing all kinds of stuff in his face! "While I was cleaning your underwear, cooking your food, cleaning your house, you were on the computer flirting and trying to have sex with other women?"

Edited August 22, 2015 by zenme

[NEGirl]

NEGirl, I was just being a snarky sarcastipuss. Since the Duggars are hard-over creationists, I was just poking fun about the dinosaur/human exhibits at the museum of natural history (which the creationism museum in KY actually features...for REALZ). Going along with their ignorance, I added on the bit about Air & Space having the set of the "fake" moon landing. For those of us who don't wear foil hats, they have a representation of the actual moon landing. Your nephew wouldn't buy into it. Sorry for any confusion!

 

LIZ - Thought it was a snark. No problem. Can't convince my nephew the moon landing was real - and he is an attorney in D.C. - go figure.

[Featherhat]

I hope (too optimistically I know) that this will be a wake-up call to the Duggars to actually listen to what each of their children want on an individual level.  How many friggin times did Josh say that he wanted to be a lawyer and have 2 or 3 kids????  I know he said it many times on camera so he must have said it many more times off camera.  Look Duggars, I get that you are "in the right" when it comes to Jebus and God and stuff, but your lifestyle is very extreme.  Josh made it very clear that he needed to grow up and mature before he got married.  Sure, he did not use those words because he thought himself mature already, but he obviously knew something about himself that his parents were not picking up on at all.  If you want to avoid another scandal then instead of doubling-down on reading the bible to your kids, consider listening to them on an individual level.  

 

Indeed. That's actually what a lot of his FRC colleagues have done, along with many other extremely conservative think tanks/lobbyists/pundits. They still agree with a lot of what the Duggar's believe but they have manageable family sizes and make sure to get an education, even if its at a strict Christian college like Patrick Henry. In this part I do feel a tiny bit sorry for him. He never stood a chance at getting that type of education from Wisdom booklets. Even though he is a smug, lazy entitled ass he might have at least gotten to the first part of college with an attempt at law school and a college experience, even if most fundie colleges sound just a less extreme version of ALERT or JTTH to me. The often seem incapable of rationally arguing their points (IMHO) and have a 90% social media fail rate but at least they *attempt* to have some critical reasoning ie Liberty University and other's goal of taking down Roe vs Wade via training their debate team/future lawyers to a high standard.

 

Of course he still could try going back to school (right back to high school probably) but he probably won't. How did Jim Bob (and every other "patriarch" think their sons were going to be able to provide for dozens of kids with no education in today's world? 2nd hand car businesses don't mean shit if you have no business sense or basic math.

Edited August 22, 2015 by Featherhat

[jacksgirl]

Yuck, had to start school, so missed all of the Ashley Madison fun. Tried to catch up this morning. Aside from whether or not it was just watching porn or trying to have affairs, how incredibly stupid is it to use websites and credit cards for these activities? It's 2015, people will find out.

[LilyoftheValley]

Indeed. That's actually what a lot of his FRC colleagues have done, along with many other extremely conservative think tanks/lobbyists/pundits. They still agree with a lot of what the Duggar's believe but they have manageable family sizes and make sure to get an education, even if its at a strict Christian college like Patrick Henry. In this part I do feel a tiny bit sorry for him. He never stood a chance at getting that type of education from Wisdom booklets. Even though he is a smug, lazy entitled ass he might have at least gotten to the first part of college with an attempt at law school and a college experience, even if most fundie colleges sound just a less extreme version of ALERT or JTTH to me.

 

Of course he still could try going back to school (right back to high school probably) but he probably won't. How did Jim Bob (and every other "patriarch" think their sons were going to be able to provide for dozens of kids with no education in today's world? 2nd hand car businesses don't mean shit if you have no business sense or basic math.

So I was thinking about this the other day.  If I were to have between 10 and 20 kids with my husband, and I stayed home in did not work, then I would expect him to earn around $200,000 a year in order for us to have comfortable middle class lifestyle with all those kids.  You know who earns that much?  About 4% of the population.  The Duggars would be in poverty right now if it weren't for the show.  Anna clearly grew up in poverty.  These dips ought to have encouraged Josh to go to law school (though as a lawyer myself, I'm not sure he has the stuff), but at the very least he could have tried.  

[Chai]

No. 

 

BTW, not only would I be upset that my husband paid for a subscription to join a cheaters club, and paid a premium for guaranteed sex, but I'd also be mad that he paid for this while my kids and I were living in the mold house.  Mold.  With filthy mattresses too.  You have money to pay for that, but no money to get us clean mattresses, and de-mold our home?  Oh, I'd be throwing all kinds of stuff in his face! "While I was cleaning your underwear, cooking your food, cleaning your house, you were on the computer flirting and trying to have sex with other women?"

Exactly! I just want to tell Anna, wait till he's sleeping then super glue his balls to his leg. Then throw his computer and phone out. SHE should pay someone to beat the crap out of him.

[Julia]

So I was thinking about this the other day.  If I were to have between 10 and 20 kids with my husband, and I stayed home in did not work, then I would expect him to earn around $200,000 a year in order for us to have comfortable middle class lifestyle with all those kids.  You know who earns that much?  About 4% of the population.  The Duggars would be in poverty right now if it weren't for the show.  Anna clearly grew up in poverty.  These dips ought to have encouraged Josh to go to law school (though as a lawyer myself, I'm not sure he has the stuff), but at the very least he could have tried.  

 

You'd be surprised how much money you can make and still get a fair amount of government assistance, even in Arkansas, when you have 20 dependents. I looked it up. And they don't means test quite a bit of it, including pregnancy care.

 

I know the quiverfulls say they don't accept government assistance, but I'm pretty sure those records, if they existed, would be protected, and I don't particularly trust their word.

[sometimesy]

Anna doesn't have to make a public statement. If she does, will anyone believe her? Didn't she have an episode where she was explaining their first long road trip alone with the 3 kids (um people do that everyday, but for her and Josh it as a mountain to climb I suppose). Turns out Jana just happened to be at one or two of the stops at the same time. Hunh? If that is true, and she was just following the script, then, she is as deep into the Duggar fame train as the original cast. Don't get me wrong, no one deserves to be cheated on, but she WAS aware of the public life she married into. That lessens my sympathy for her public humiliation. Although I still feel for sympathy for her regarding the personal betrayal.

Edited August 22, 2015 by sometimesy

[Granny58]

I know a lot of people hope that Anna gets secular counseling and I understand the thought behind that but I hope she gets Christian counseling. I don't mean Gothard/Fundie counseling. I mean real counseling from a Christian. There are many actually trained, with real degrees etc counselors out there who are also Christians. Personally I think that's the only chance someone has to get through to her. If she sits in front a person she knows has no religious beliefs and they tell her things against her upbringing she's going to chalk it up to a difference in worldview. But if a Christian says the same things she might be open to hear it. She still might not be able to but I think it's the only chance. 

I like that idea.  She can see that you don't need to be at her extreme to be a Christian.

[LilyoftheValley]

You'd be surprised how much money you can make and still get a fair amount of government assistance, even in Arkansas, when you have 20 dependents. I looked it up. And they don't means test quite a bit of it, including pregnancy care.

 

I know the quiverfulls say they don't accept government assistance, but I'm pretty sure those records, if they existed, would be protected, and I don't particularly trust their word.

Okay but that is not a comfortable middle class lifestyle.  I am talking vacations and sending all the kids to college.  Sure, a family of 20 can survive off food stamps and a modest income, but they cannot take their brood on nice trips, send the kids to camp or pay for lessons, and they cannot send their kids to college or help the kids buy their first car or their first house.  

[NewDigs]

Just a guess but I'm thinking that the Duggars don't need no stinkin' worldly goods.

College? Pffft. We'll learn ya' just fine.

Car? Where do you think you're going?

House? And not live with/take care of us?

etc. etc.

[SometimesBites]

I know a lot of people hope that Anna gets secular counseling and I understand the thought behind that but I hope she gets Christian counseling. I don't mean Gothard/Fundie counseling. I mean real counseling from a Christian. There are many actually trained, with real degrees etc counselors out there who are also Christians. Personally I think that's the only chance someone has to get through to her. If she sits in front a person she knows has no religious beliefs and they tell her things against her upbringing she's going to chalk it up to a difference in worldview. But if a Christian says the same things she might be open to hear it. She still might not be able to but I think it's the only chance.

I agree that she'd be more likely to trust a counselor who specifically identifies as a Christian, but she could go to any number of brilliant counselors and never know anything about their personal life or beliefs. It SHOULD be irrelevant to effective therapy. My own experience during an 18-year marriage disaster and many, MANY rounds of counseling with a wide variety of Christian counselors, was that they were all being so careful to uphold certain biblical pricipals that I was effectively pointed back into my hell, over and over and over. We can say, oh, but a good counselor wouldn't do that, but my experience is that in Christian counseling there is a strong push to keep marriage intact no matter what, and to always think that if the parties in question work hard enough they can overcome ANYTHING. The result, for me, was a lot of years of my young adult life thrown away on a man who was not just a waste of my time, but an actively negative force that I had to spend years shaking off.

Sad as it makes me to say it, I don't believe Anna will leave Josh unless and until it gets much, much, much worse. She has many more years of hard-knock education ahead of her, due almost entirely to the way she was raised. There is absoutely no way to adequately explain how deeply ingrained those ideas are and how effectively they blind a person to seeing a different way of living. It's almost like having a genetic imperative. WE know Anna has choices, but Anna really doesn't know that. It's like elephants who can be tethered by a simple wooden stake. They could pull it loose if they wanted to, but the peg held them when they were impressionable babies, so they believe it will hold them now.

[Quof]

I still don't believe Josh actually bumped uglies with anyone.

 

Oh, I think he wanted to, but:

There are a multitude of men on AM, why would any woman choose Josh? 

And if she did choose him based on his profile, wouldn't meeting him turn her off?

And if a woman did go through with it, she was either too stupid to recognize the blackmail potential, or Josh has been paying her hush money since it happened.

[Cherrio]

Change she to he, whoring to famewhoring, and Vegas to DC, and it's Josh's life. He even has a pimp - Jim Bob.

Exactly.  I have always seen ALL the parents who put their children on reality tv as pimps. Same goes for the powers that be behind it all. They look for people who are lacking in common sense and the best interests of children or themselves.   Same as a pimp on the street knowing when he meets that young girl who is scared, hungry, homeless, abused or lonely.    They are all victims, even the so called wonderful parents on TLC and the other networks.

[JoanArc]

 

SHE should pay someone to beat the crap out of him.

I'm Sure Jill, Jessa, or Amy, Jim Bob, or Michelle would do it for free. Beat used, and save the difference. (Not that I'm condoning violence.) They'll be reminding him of this everyday for the rest of his life. Good Enough.

Edited August 22, 2015 by JoanArc

[ChristmasJones]

Not sure if this has been posted- did Josh have a fake FB account?

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/josh-duggar-secret-facebook-creepy-account-alias-article-1.2333507

[Julia]

Not sure if this has been posted- did Josh have a fake FB account?

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/josh-duggar-secret-facebook-creepy-account-alias-article-1.2333507

 

Is it me, or is it just weird that he chose the picture of a jewish Harvard graduate banker from Manhattan? It seems like that would fill quite a few squares on a Josh thinks you're bad for America bingo card.

[LilyoftheValley]

Is it me, or is it just weird that he chose the picture of a jewish Harvard graduate banker from Manhattan? It seems like that would fill quite a few squares on a Josh thinks you're bad for America bingo card.

Josh has a very warped sense of who is actually is.  Sure we all have a slight disconnect between the real us and the person we imagine we are, but Josh goes far beyond that.  Judging by his OKCupid and Facebook accounts I can see that Josh thinks of himself as a hot, wealthy, highly-educated genius who is cool and cultured.  The reality is that he is puffy, average, unsophisticated, uneducated, and forever stuck in Frog's Balls, Arkansas.  

[Marigold]

I think Ashley Madison is the beginning.

More will come out...

I hope Jim Bob and Mechelle are buckled up because Josh is gonna take them on a wild ride. 

[luna70]

I don't believe for a NY Second! THAT-Anna OR HER FAMILY knew about Josh's molestations BEFORE they were married! No! What Father (or mild 3rd class Mother in the Background?) would say "Josh, what a catch! Family has $, on T.V., which is prohibited by B.Gothard, AND he MOLESTED 5 young women/girls-4 of them his SISTERS while they SLEPT &/or sat on his lap! To think, Anna has a # of unmarried sisters, won't they be excited !(Not!-No doubt why Josh 'went-a-courting' 100s of miles away from 'earshot of rumors' (the truth-wasn't he supposed to be with a Bate girl?).

 

A lot of 'Gothards' turn to welfare... it would not be a shame for Anna -If-one of her sisters could drag her away!

 

How could Anna's father support 7 (?) kids if he 'quit' to be a missionary in jails? Most missionaries in my Church (a regular Protestant one-are single OR live in 3rd world countries. Not 7 kids, FL. (While doing 'charity' is great, your 1st priority is your FAMILY-as in feeding, housing, health care..(maybe why some of Anna'a siblings left?). Some posters ? how Anna, uneducated, could 'counsel' young girls in jail. She & her father could NOT be listed as real therapists, but as one of the MANY who go in to show prisoners 'the Love of GOD' , etc..A lot of criminals 'claim' to find 'GOD'.(Had a relative who claimed this..B.S) Some do..a lot use these people to get out on parole, $, someone to listen to, etc. Anna -I doubt if she 'turned' many..what did she have in common?

 

Anna is probably scared. Josh probably has little in his name, JB has always controlled the $, what they do, say. HE is probably pissed that Josh has more & more coming out about him. The chance that TLC (or ANY Network) will put them on is growing DIMMER & dimmer....Got to wonder-Derrick, going to Nepal with Jill(?), squashing any chance of 'spin off' -Derrick seeking revenge against Josh/JB? He is cutting $ off from JB-who would of found a way to get $ from show!

[Tabbygirl521]

So radaronline has tracked down one of Joe Smithson's FB friends. There is a mini interview with her on the site. Nothing juicy. But perhaps she is the tip of the schadenfreude iceberg that the SS Josh is headed for.

[3girlsforus]

Not sure if this has been posted- did Josh have a fake FB account?

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/josh-duggar-secret-facebook-creepy-account-alias-article-1.2333507

 

I haven't been able to keep up with all angles of the stories so I'm not understanding this. Why do people think this FB page belonged to Josh?

[sometimesy]

Why 2 accounts? Would Josh take the fall for a friend or brother? Put it in his name and credit card and the other person, maybe sans credit card pay him back? I really hope so (I am an awful human being, there is a fortress of Satan or something). 2 account thing is weird to me, because once he moved he could have just edited his information.

[GeeGolly]

Why 2 accounts? Would Josh take the fall for a friend or brother? Put it in his name and credit card and the other person, maybe sans credit card pay him back? I really hope so (I am an awful human being, there is a fortress of Satan or something). 2 account thing is weird to me, because once he moved he could have just edited his information.

I was thinking the 2 accounts were to increase his chances of a hook-up because he traveled back to Arkansas regularly. 

[LilyoftheValley]

I was thinking the 2 accounts were to increase his chances of a hook-up because he traveled back to Arkansas regularly. 

Yup.  One was for AR and one was for DC.  When they leak more tomorrow, it will be interesting to see who he claimed to be in AR vs DC.  

[truthtalk2014]

Does anyone remember what that thing was that Josh and Anna stayed in while visiting Anna's parents?  Was it a camper?  I can't really remember.  Do the Kellers still have other kids living at home?  At this point, if Anna wanted a little break from the madness, I don't know if there is room there for the five of them.  We are talking a 1200 sq foot area + whatever that camper is.  I can't see her being comfortable with the 4M's in that camper.  I wonder if it even has air conditioning.  Good grief.  It's hot as Hades in Florida this time of year.  

 

I agree with anyone that said they think Josh has more dirty little secrets to come to the surface any day now.  I think it is part of the reason he admitted guilt so quickly.  Waiting for the pics and vids to surface and what type of trash he could possibly coerce into being with dough boy.  Anyone want to place bets as to if you think dick pics will come to light?  lol  YUCK!  Hey, even Brett Farve did it and he has half a lick of sense.  Josh has .00000001.  Mommy and Daddy better have some serious anxiety meds on hand. 

[HumblePi]

Now that my initial surprise, revulsion and shock of Josh's admission has settled down, I think I'm more able to react in a less emotional manner. Now I can stick out my neck about my thoughts and anticipate that it will be chopped off a bit, and that's okay too.

 

I'm just going to put it out there. I really can't blame Josh entirely for what he turned into. It's not his fault that he happened to have life's misfortune of being the firstborn child of nineteen. People who have three, four or more children know that the firstborn is treated differently. They are expected to be perfect in every way. Parents are usually harder on firstborns than subsequent children. New parents are venturing into a unknown territory and want to do everything the right way according to what they 'think' is the right way to raise a child. Many firstborn kids are lectured too much, disciplined too hard, overprotected and expected to be role models and responsible for their younger siblings. So many issues like anxiety, obsessive-compulsive traits and anger are more likely to remain with a firstborn child and linger into adulthood.

 

When Josh was only two years old, Michelle gave birth to the twins Jana and John-David. (A two year old is still a baby in my book) Suddenly Josh's 'babyhood' was removed and replaced by two infants. By the time Josh was five years old, he had FIVE siblings. At the very tender and impressionable age of five, Josh was already competing for the attention of his parents with five other siblings. I'm pretty sure Michelle and Jim Bob gave Josh a lot of responsibilities even at that young age. Josh was their first and their 'model child' and the experiment started with him. All the fundamentalist stringency applied to Josh being the firstborn and it was applied to the max. Guilt and shame was used to prevent Josh from doing anything they thought was 'wrong' or 'improper'.  Should we really be surprised and shocked that Josh developed unnatural and unacceptable sexual behaviors? I think it was inevitable and unavoidable considering the fact that no matter what, Josh was only a normal human little boy that never had the chance to reach adulthood totally unscathed emotionally.

Edited August 22, 2015 by HumblePi

[Julia]

For whatever little it's worth, I think some children are born to the wrong parents. Under other circumstances, I think Josh could have been a very different person. Under the circumstances he had, with the influences he had, he turned out to be Josh. As far as we know, none of his other siblings have become Josh, though, so I think it was a combination of who he was born and how he was raised. It's (vaguely) possible that the child Jim Bob and Michelle should have had first is out there somewhere destroying his life because he grew up isolated and there wasn't enough structure and discipline in his life.

Edited August 22, 2015 by Julia

[Marigold]

Michelle and Jim Bob are dopes and obviously handled the molestation thing wrong. We know all about them and that wacko Gothard stuff. 

But plenty of people turn out to be good people with awful parents and vice versa.

 

I think josh is just a special kind of jack ass. At some point you gotta make your own way in the world. He moved to DC and started a new chapter of his life. And what did he do? Well...seems Josh made some hot and spicy choices...

I'm sympathetic to his upbringing to a certain degree. At some point, Josh is a douchebag because he chose to be. 

 

And now Josh needs to straighten this out for himself. Like a man with four kids and a wife (who actually loves him). He needs to find his own counseling, deal with his issues/addictions/problems and find his own way through the nightmare he created. 

 

I really wish Jim Bob and Michelle would back off. Sometimes you gotta hit rock bottom really hard to knock some sense into ya. They should leave him alone...shun him...and let him make his own decisions. 

I think Jim Bob and Michelle should support Anna ...but even that needs to be pulled back.  She is 27.  She is a big girl. She needs to figure this out on her own. They treat her like she is 16. Anna is not stupid and she will be fine no matter how she chooses to handle her husband. 

 

So much for Michelle and her "leave and cleave, buddy" statement she made so long ago. 

[zenme]

It can be said for everyone that our experiences and parenting is what shape who we are.  People's personalities and temperaments contribute to those experiences, as well.  Josh always knew what he was doing was wrong.  We make choices in life.  Yes.  His parents messed up by covering for him, and not getting him proper treatment--although I feel they believed they were doing right by him.  As an adult, it's Josh's responsibility to make necessary changes in his life and address his issues. 

 

ETA: Marigold, I agree with you. (I was typing while you were posting.)

Edited August 22, 2015 by zenme

[springtime]

Now that my initial surprise, revulsion and shock of Josh's admission has settled down, I think I'm more able to react in a less emotional manner. Now I can stick out my neck about my thoughts and anticipate that it will be chopped off a bit, and that's okay too.

 

I'm just going to put it out there. I really can't blame Josh entirely for what he turned into. It's not his fault that he happened to have life's misfortune of being the firstborn child of nineteen. People who have three, four or more children know that the firstborn is treated differently. They are expected to be perfect in every way. Parents are usually harder on firstborns than subsequent children. New parents are venturing into a unknown territory and want to do everything the right way according to what they 'think' is the right way to raise a child. Many firstborn kids are lectured too much, disciplined too hard, overprotected and expected to be role models and responsible for their younger siblings. So many issues like anxiety, obsessive-compulsive traits and anger are more likely to remain with a firstborn child and linger into adulthood.

 

When Josh was only two years old, Michelle gave birth to the twins Jana and John-David. (A two year old is still a baby in my book) Suddenly Josh's 'babyhood' was removed and replaced by two infants. By the time Josh was five years old, he had FIVE siblings. At the very tender and impressionable age of five, Josh was already competing for the attention of his parents with five other siblings. I'm pretty sure Michelle and Jim Bob gave Josh a lot of responsibilities even at that young age. Josh was their first and their 'model child' and the experiment started with him. All the fundamentalist stringency applied to Josh being the firstborn and it was applied to the max. Guilt and shame was used to prevent Josh from doing anything they thought was 'wrong' or 'improper'.  Should we really be surprised and shocked that Josh developed unnatural and unacceptable sexual behaviors? I think it was inevitable and unavoidable considering the fact that no matter what, Josh was only a normal human little boy that never had the chance to reach adulthood totally unscathed emotionally.

Between Josh and the twins, Michelle had her life defining miscarriage - Just think of her ever changing emotional state when Josh was very young!

[Chai]

The only reason this is news is because JB and M signed up to do reality tv with TLC. Otherwise we would have no idea who Josh Duggar is. So before they go blaming him, they need to look in the mirror.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Yup.  One was for AR and one was for DC.  When they leak more tomorrow, it will be interesting to see who he claimed to be in AR vs DC.

Ok, so I'm out of the loop. What more will be leaked tomorrow and who is the "they" leaking it?

[sometimesy]

Josh, get away from your parents. Is JB the one negotiating the interview (with a cut of course?) Josh, fix and sell your house. Move away. Get a lawyer and get your money from JB. Pull a Jessa ('you don't want us to elope'). Stay silent unless you have a very skilled PR team and no influence from your father. That Fox interview was a mess!

[Maharincess]

Yeah his profile reads like a sad list of broken dreams. He should've chosen the alias, Art Vandelay, occupation, importer/exporter.

He should have said he was a latex salesman for Vandelay Industries.

[Churchhoney]

He should have said he was a latex salesman for Vandelay Industries.

 

Well, he has kind of scrambled away from his crap-filled toilet with his pants around his ankles and fallen on his face in front of everybody. And he is unemployed.

 

 

"And you wanna be my latex salesman."

Edited August 22, 2015 by Churchhoney

[JenCarroll]

  

I know right.  Maybe he's jealous of Joseph or something or he was just too dumb and lazy to come up with something other than Joe SmithSON.  Poor Joseph, his brother.

He forgot one of his brothers was named Joseph...

[Chaos Theory]

I know everyone is waiting for one of the women to come forward but would you admit publicly that you slept with that? i wouldn't.

It depends....can you prove it? Do you get your own reality TV program out of it? That TLC money is one hell of a motivator..

[BitterApple]

He should have said he was a latex salesman for Vandelay Industries.

But wait, would Joshie be an importer or exporter? Decisions, decisions...

[LilyoftheValley]

Regarding the twitter we suspect is Josh, that guy uses the F word a lot.  

[Marigold]

Just waiting for the exotic dancers or adult stars to step forward and give their story.

 

Obviously that is why Josh is so exhausted all the time,  It's a lot of work to live a double life with FOUR kids, a wife and a reality show. And tour around telling everyone else what they are doing wrong in life. 

 

Remember when Anna came crashing in the door when Josh was sleeping and she had her pregnancy test in her hand? Josh truly looked disoriented, exhausted and almost hung over. Well...probably not hung over on alcohol.  He was on some sexed up episode the night before...caught him a bit off guard. I noticed that for a person who grew up in front of the cameras, he looked really uncomfortable and odd in that clip. It gave me an odd feeling...he didn't look right to me. 

Guilt and exhaustion will do that to ya...maybe hadn't showered either. (yuck)

Edited August 22, 2015 by Marigold

[Defrauder]

Maybe Anna's preaching about letting the Lord choose her mate for her is backfiring.  She totally trusted God to pick out her husband  and now her prince charming has turned into the biggest toad EVER.  Maybe it's a wake up call to those in her cult - use your own judgement and free will that you have to make the best determination and make God proud you did the best job YOU could do.  Even if it turned out bad at least Anna could say that she really tried to use her God given intellect and instincts to make the right choice.  Now it's all God's fault so they'll just pray to him to fix it.

[Chaos Theory]

Maybe Anna should stop letting God make her choices for her....as we all know God has a wicked sense of humor.

[Defrauder]

Love this. Wicked sense of humor for sure.

[sandyskyblue]

Maybe Anna's preaching about letting the Lord choose her mate for her is backfiring.  She totally trusted God to pick out her husband  and now her prince charming has turned into the biggest toad EVER.  Maybe it's a wake up call to those in her cult - use your own judgement and free will that you have to make the best determination and make God proud you did the best job YOU could do.  Even if it turned out bad at least Anna could say that she really tried to use her God given intellect and instincts to make the right choice.  Now it's all God's fault so they'll just pray to him to fix it.

While I agree with this in theory, the women in this cult are unable to think for themselves, I believe they have no free will at all...growing up, they are told what to do by their father and then, their husband takes over once they get married.....we cannot understand how oppressed they are because it is so ingrained in them....like nc socialworker said yesterday, the wives are hostages (and so are the kids, IMO) in this cult, under the total control of their fathers and husbands...and while I understand that we on here keep throwing out suggestions for Anna to help her, it is not going to happen the way we think it should, and like it would in our world....

[Foghorn Leghorn]

There were 37 million men and women "outed" from Ashley Madison and yet it seems Josh Duggar is the only "celebrity" worthy of mention?

[LilyoftheValley]

Maybe Anna should stop letting God make her choices for her....as we all know God has a wicked sense of humor.

I wouldn't let the God of the bible choose what I am going to eat for breakfast, much less my partner for the rest of my life.  

[JennyMominFL]

There were 37 million men and women "outed" from Ashley Madison and yet it seems Josh Duggar is the only "celebrity" worthy of mention?

They haven't really been outed that way though, have they. There is not some list of names. There is a database which can  be searched by email address. So basically you  need to know someones email address and then search them.

That's how it works, right? 

[marleyfan]

I have a theory about the repeated postings/removals from Josh yesterday. I think somewhere between the first and the third one, JB was clutching Josh by the throat, yelling "is there ANYTHING more we need to know??? Do you have ANYTHING else you need to drop?" Those releases just gave me the vibe that the "stuff" flying around wasn't a total-all-at-once dump. I'm not sure anyone (but Josh) knew the whole truth when the first one came out .

Sorry, but I still don't know how to copy and paste on Kindle....I wonder if the next ANYTHING is going to be a paternity suit against Josh. Add that to the molestation case,JimBoob will probably have a coronary.

Edited August 22, 2015 by marleyfan

[Quof]

Don't forget that YouTube "star", shining example of Christianity, Sam Star.