Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Oldernowiser]

I wonder if she'll even demand that he get checked for STDs. Since she just had a baby, I would think she'd have had screening (but maybe not. Did she have an actual doctor or a sistermom doula/lay midwife?). Josh could have been on Ashley Madison, OKCupid, Backpage, Craigslist, local street corners, etc. Who knows what he's been in contact with. If she's going to stay (which she is), he'd have to get checked. Not that he should be getting any from her at any point in the near future. Or Ever.

If only. I'm starting the pool on redemption baby #5 ("We've never been happier or more in love"). I'm taking 90 days.

[galax-arena]

This part of the People article stood out to me:

 

"Don't forget that the main aspect he focused on in his attempt to fix things after the molestation scandal was the fact that he was young when that happened and that he had since rebuilt himself, turned to a righteous path and was a good, upstanding, decent man who had learned from his mistakes."

 

"The whole idea was that people should forgive what he did when he was a teenager because he was such a great guy now," continues the source. "So for this to come to light …. He's ruined. It will be such a steep and practically impossible climb to come back from this."

This goes with what some of us were saying when others were asking if it was really necessary to drag more of Josh's misdeeds to light after he had already been hit by the molestation scandal. The Duggars' defense then hinged upon how the molestation occurred before Josh was a True Christian, and that present-day Josh was a good God-fearing traditional-family-values man. This latest scandal shows what a crock that was (although, just to reiterate, having a consensual adult affair is of course worlds apart from molesting children).

Edited August 21, 2015 by galax-arena

[Satchels of gold]

I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth but I wish this scandal had involved another Duggar, only because people will see him as "the bad seed" and not see that the whole belief system is sick. In therapy we would call him "the identified patient" he displays the dysfunction of the entire family, but they are all sick. And wow do they hate/fear women. The only way to ensure a woman never leaves you is to keep her uneducated and pregnant. She's not a wife she is a hostage. I seem to be in the minority but I think the molestation was a far bigger deal then this. Espically the molestation of a five year old child, that is some serious sexually acting out. I think Josh has some serious problems (I know we aren't allowed to diagnos) conforming to societal standards/ norms. When you dig deeper it's about more than sex.

[floridamom]

So, Anna has been taught to trust in the Lord...well, maybe the Lord has been speaking directly to Anna and she's not been listening...showing her exactly who Josh really is and He's telling this stupid, naïve, girl of a woman TO GO!!! How many direct signs does God have to send someone, (Anna) to get His advice across? Open your eyes and ears, girl, God's talking to you.  Note: I believe in a Supreme Being and that communication and guidance are a very real thing myself.

I also hope that Anna's non-fundy siblings are speaking to her and advising her to think of herself and her children and drop this guy like a hot potato; hopefully Jim Bob and Josh hadn't cooked up an income "bypass" from Anna all this time....I hope she hires herself a shark of a lawyer to defend her and the kids. She should walk away with financial security for the rest of her life...with legal responsibility-backup from POPS.

Where is Anna's father? One would think that even in their restrictive religious cult, that one's parents would come to the aid of their children and defend her! They were the ones who chose to raise their kids in a sheltered, naïve, society that ill-equips their daughters to be real women in this world...religion or not, one must be able to live in this world while we are here successfully....the Kellers should also take responsibility for this one....way to go, daddy Keller...I see just how good you looked out for Anna when choosing Joshy for her...Better take a good look at David and Pris's situation while you're at it.

[xander874]

My fear is that Josh will play up the sex addict part and quietly roll the molestation thing into it, so when he goes on his apology tour, everything bad he did will be considered part of the same problem (which I guess they are somewhat, but still different enough). And when he emerges a changed man in a year or so, all will be forgiven.

[wirebitersm]

Is there a way to get a letter directly to Anna and Josh? The Flying Spaghetti Monster has moved me to reach out to this young couple.

[Cherrio]

He's probably got a clown fetish. I'm sure the AM hack will eventually release all his naughty emails and pictures.

Oh please no, no ,no,no.   I don't think I would recover from that.

 

     Did he have a tater tot fetish?    Put frozen ones where the sun don't shine and they come back as hash browns?      

[CousinAmy]

I REALLY wish I knew how far into this 'Gothard's (sp?) crap Anna's family is. Yes, Anna 'met' Josh at the 'homeschool' conference in Texas, but since her family lives in FL., they probably knew NOTHING about the Duggars other than what PR & lies were put out by both the 'family' and the 'church' . After all, those conferences were 5 days long, once a year, & most members do NOT use the internet like 'we do', nor read things 'not church approved'. So, Anna's family might have been 'blind' to every negative thing about Josh/family & thought 'Our lil Anna's got quite a catch!' (Sad that there are people who are that naïve .)

Sad, because, Anna is stuck w/a sick jerk who is still controlled by Daddy! Plus four (?) of his offspring. Even by some remote chance she left him, I bet almost everything is /was done under a companies name or Jim Bob's name-so Anna will get nothing. Josh will work for 'daddy's 'business' so salary will be under the table-so very little child support-OR-MICHELLE-in HER constant hunger/sickness to 'gather' babies, would/will try to get 'custody'.

How long was this 'affair'? Who in their right mind would want to have SEX with Josh? Or, since this person has a website, did she set him up from the beginning? (I have No Idea how much RAGS like the Star, Radar, etc. pay for 'exclusives' like-' I was Josh Duggar's Love Slave!'-Makes me nauseous just typing it!)

Let me just say, I'm not THAT Cousin Amy. I chose this moniker because I have a cousin named Amy.

Ashley Madison is basically a pimping service, matching foolish men with women who are looking for no-strings affairs. Some of the women are in it for the cash, gifts, or luxury travel that they could not otherwise afford. They are not naive young girls; they know how to prevent pregnancy and STDs. One may come forward if she gets paid to give an interview.

I hope TLC gets the rights to that interview.

Edited August 21, 2015 by CousinAmy

[Oldernowiser]

Like raging narcissism? Because it seems to me that is definitely a family trait.

[Julia]

I seem to be in the minority but I think the molestation was a far bigger deal then this. Especially the molestation of a five year old child, that is some serious sexually acting out. I think Josh has some serious problems (I know we aren't allowed to diagnose) conforming to societal standards/ norms. When you dig deeper it's about more than sex.

If you are, I'm in the minority too, because I nodded at all of that. Just thinking about being both the golden boy and the bad seed at the same time, and in such a small pond...

[Jenniferbug]

I think if Anna wants to leave, she can. She has 3 siblings who have broken away, and if Suz can figure out how to live independently and get a job as a single mother, there's no reason Anna can't. If anything, she can benefit from Suz's knowledge and experience.

I think Anna would be well suited to work at a daycare, especially a faith based one. It doesn't pay much, but it would give her an income and likely insurance. Many in my area offer free or reduced tuition for staff members children, to compensate for it not being a high paying job. She seems to be very good with children.

She could also seek low income/income based housing. Again, in my area, there are some pretty nice apartments and townhouses designated this way- and they are in decent neighborhoods too.

It would be tough, but she could do it. She has siblings who would support her decision (and I'm not so sure her parents wouldn't help her out too). The real issue is whether she WANTS to leave. My money is on her staying, sadly.

[Anne Elk]

I think Josh has a major problem with impulse control. Thus the overeating, the cheating, the molestation, the porn, etc. 

 

It's not an excuse, because Josh is a grownup and he deserves all the blame. But I do think if he had grown up in a family where the kids were gradually allowed to take some responsibility for their lives and their choices, rather than having everything controlled by Daddy, he might have learned how to handle his impulse problems before dragging everyone else in his entire family into all this. Maybe not, though. 

 

I agree that Josh is not cut out for the Gothard fundie lifestyle. The problem is, according to the worldview his parents have taught him, that is the ONLY God-approved way to live. He doesn't have any choice in the matter. At least JimBob and Michelle got to experience the world and chose to live this way. None of their kids were given any choice at all, and that's my real objection to their lifestyle.

 

I can't help but feel sorry for Anna. Thanks to one bad decision she made as a young woman, she's now been utterly humiliated in front of the entire world. And this is her life. She can look forward to probably 50 more years of Josh failing and her guilting herself over it. It's sadder than sad.

[SongbirdHollow]

I think Josh has a major problem with impulse control. Thus the overeating, the cheating, the molestation, the porn, etc. 

 

I was thinking about the definitions of this...in my mind, acting impulsively means without thought. Acting compulsively means thinking about it and doing it anyway regardless of consequences. To me, this is compulsive. JMHO.

[Churchhoney]

When you dig deeper it's about more than sex.

 

Right on the money in your post, I think. And about the above -- Well, anybody who says that there's a circumstance in which somebody is obliged to have sex with them -- that's pretty clearly somebody with massive power and control issues, right there, seems to me. Josh has huge issues living with other humans on the earth, really. Can't stand the fact that anybody else has autonomy and doesn't do everything he says. ....

 

And now he's destined to be a total flunkie for the rest of his days. How sad. Not.

 

Not to absolve JB and M of their horrible part in this. I do feel sorry for Josh the kid. He surely didn't get anything that he needed from his parents. But he's a grownup now, and I think it's pretty clear that he's by nature and choice, as well as by nurture, a person who doesn't give a crap about anyone but himself.

[IndianPaintbrush]

I think Josh has a major problem with impulse control. Thus the overeating, the cheating, the molestation, the porn, etc. 

 

It's not an excuse, because Josh is a grownup and he deserves all the blame. But I do think if he had grown up in a family where the kids were gradually allowed to take some responsibility for their lives and their choices, rather than having everything controlled by Daddy, he might have learned how to handle his impulse problems before dragging everyone else in his entire family into all this. Maybe not, though. 

 

I agree that Josh is not cut out for the Gothard fundie lifestyle. The problem is, according to the worldview his parents have taught him, that is the ONLY God-approved way to live. He doesn't have any choice in the matter. At least JimBob and Michelle got to experience the world and chose to live this way. None of their kids were given any choice at all, and that's my real objection to their lifestyle.

I agree with this.  I think Josh's status as the eldest son probably came with undue pressure to be a godly example to his younger siblings, but it also gave him a strong sense of entitlement.  The fact that he got away with molesting his sisters with little more than a slap on the wrist, combined with Anna's general naivete, made him think he could get away with living a double life.  

 

At any rate, I think Jim Bob and Michelle share some of the responsibility for this whole mess.

[lottiedottie]

I wonder if Anna's sisters-on-the-outside are trying to convince her that this stuff is not her fault and that she doesn't have to stay with him. Her sisters have to believe that this is fucked up like the rest of us do, right?

[riverblue22]

Anna will not leave him," the source claimed. "As with her in-laws, she is turning more to her faith than ever. She and Josh are probably praying around the clock right now, I would assume."

 

 

WHATEVER...  

 

It's harder for Anna to leave this cult than if she were FLDS--she is surrounded and trapped.

I'm just glad that the TLC money is gone.  Let Jim Bob keep up this insanity with the profits from his towing company and cell tower.

You would hope her parents would reach out to her, but they have allowed daughter Esther to be ruined by her crackpot husband so what good will they do Anna?

Edited August 21, 2015 by riverblue22

[Almost 3000]

Let me be clear that I am not psychoanalyzing Josh.

In my experience as a therapist when people come to me for the first time and report that they're self-diagnosed "sex addicts", I look for Bipolar I or II.

 

I posted elsewhere that Josh use to (seemly) obsessively post pix of the food he was eating. It was odd.

[HumblePi]

Josh was/is a horny manchild. He should have been allowed to bone as many woman as he wanted when he was of age. They should have let him sow his wild oats because we are seeing now the aftermath of how keeping his sexual desires at bay have caused.

 

Getting him married off created more problems, a poor naive girl stuck in a bad situation with 4 children. Just truly sad!

I have to disagree with what you're saying. Every teenage boy is horny. Their sex drives are fueled by a flooding of testosterone into their bloodstream. Nearly anything turns a hormonal teenage boy on. They will have involuntary nocturnal emissions (wet dreams), they may have an attraction to the same sex, nearly anything can cause an erection even at the worse times. They all have fantasies, they all masturbate and usually they feel guilty about the intensity of their sexual drive. But if every hormonal teenage boy was allowed to 'bone as many women' as he wanted to, the statistics for rape and unwanted pregnancies would go soar through the roof. Allowing a teenage boy free reign to sow his wild oats isn't a solution to the behaviors that Josh Duggar exhibited when he was 14 and to his addiction to porn today.

 

Teenagers need to have an honest dialog either with their parents, or if that's not comfortable for them, with their friends or teachers or anyone they can be honest with. They need to know that an intense sex drive is NORMAL and how to deal with it until their hormonal floods eventually level off somewhere in their later teens and they begin to have control over them. Parents can be of greater support to their teen son when they have a better understanding of what is happening to his body. I'd bet my eye-teeth that Michelle and Jim Bob never talked honestly with Josh or any of the other boys about sexuality and nature. Their conversations regarding sex have been 'don't think of it, don't do it, and you can't have it until you're married'.

[DropTheSoap]

I hadn't watched the show in a while, but it seemed that Anna's father/family enjoyed the "fame" of being Duggars-once-removed. Even with all the crap, I think they remain hot in gunfire circles. I doubt the family would support her leaving. So, would she be someone who could take the kids without family support? Doubtful. She's most likely stuck in place.

I have no doubt the situation stems from the Duggar warped worldview where sex is everything yet also evil and sinful, in addition to whatever inherent issues Josh brought to the table regarding his issues with his own sexual impulses.

[Julia]

I posted elsewhere that Josh use to (seemly) obsessively post pix of the food he was eating. It was odd.

One of the things I've noticed about Josh (and to some extent Jessa) is that he seems really badly to want to be one of the cool kids, but given his upbringing he's not clear what the signifiers are. So, the cool kids are tweeting their work-of-art fine dining meals or their homemade foodie creations, and Josh is tweeting his Chick fil A sandwich. It's all food, right?

[Jynnan tonnix]

Everybody talks about Anna leaving Josh, but is there any chance that Josh would actually choose to leave Anna...? I know it's probably not something he could do if he ever wants to parlay all of this into some sort of "reformed sinner" ministry tour, and I don't know what else he could do for a living, but it's conceivable that he could decide to just cut his losses and distance himself from the entire mess, coincidentally leaving himself free to indulge in whatever. I'm not sure it's something that would really prove viable for him, but I'm sure it might be tempting sometimes. And obviously he does have a tendency to give in to temptation.

 

Where would that leave Anna? If she was the one who was left, wouldn't her family have to support her more than they might have if she was the one who walked away?

[Aja]

One of the things I've noticed about Josh (and to some extent Jessa) is that he seems really badly to want to be one of the cool kids, but given his upbringing he's not clear what the signifiers are. So, the cool kids are tweeting their work-of-art fine dining meals or their homemade foodie creations, and Josh is tweeting his Chick fil A sandwich. It's all food, right?

Julia, you beat me to it. The "am I doing this right?" vibe is strong with the Duggars and all of their pathetic attempts to keep their brand alive through social media. 

[Marigold]

I wonder what is really going on in that house. 

 

Is Josh stuffing his face with Oreos while Jim Bob yells?

Is Josh hiding in the bathroom?

Is Anna screaming at Josh or just sobbing?

Is Michelle using the baby voice?

Is Bin taking notes for future instagram sermons?

Is Anna on the phone with her parents?

Are they all in the TTH hiding behind the gates?

 

Wonder if Jim Bob/Michelle are arguing with Anna's parents? Maybe they want her to come back to Florida for a while. They might realize Josh is a sick individual even if his mommy protects him. I personally think Jim Bob hates Josh at this point. 

[truthtalk2014]

I know everyone keeps saying that Anna should leave Josh.  I'm quite the opposite.  I think Josh should leave Anna.  He's obviously not happy with himself and the life he has created.  I agree with all that said he didn't get to sow his wild oats like most guys.  He obviously wants something different and he should not make Anna and the kids suffer because he didn't figure this crap out BEFORE he got married and had four kids.  

 

It won't get better.  Men that cheat typically will do it again. I learned that valuable lesson with my first husband.  Took him back the first time and later, he did it again.  I finally got the balls to kick his to the curb.  Best decision of my life.  I just don't think Anna ever will. 

 

I don't really care how much he watches porn.  That's not a biggie.  He's an unfaithful dough head and most likely will be one for his entire life.  I know we are all focusing on the AM site and OK Cupid but I have a feeling Josh hired an escort or two or even prostitute off the street when he wasn't getting any action online.  No telling what will come out next.  

[Marigold]

I think Josh will be heading off to some Christian rehab center very shortly. So he will leave. For a while. 

[CofCinci]

One of the things I've noticed about Josh (and to some extent Jessa) is that he seems really badly to want to be one of the cool kids, but given his upbringing he's not clear what the signifiers are. So, the cool kids are tweeting their work-of-art fine dining meals or their homemade foodie creations, and Josh is tweeting his Chick fil A sandwich. It's all food, right?

When they post ChickFilA pictures, it's their way of saying "Fuck you gay people, you don't deserve rights and I will support those who actively discriminate against you." It has nothing to do with their love of chicken biscuits.

[HumblePi]

I wonder if Anna's sisters-on-the-outside are trying to convince her that this stuff is not her fault and that she doesn't have to stay with him. Her sisters have to believe that this is fucked up like the rest of us do, right?

Anna Duggar is in a very unfortunate situation because she stood by Josh during the sexual molestation debacle and even stated that she was fully aware of his molestation before they got married. Now she's being the good little Fundy wife and taking some of the blame for Josh's sexual addiction onto herself, where it absolutely doesn't belong. Some will say "It serves her right if she knew in advance". People can't grasp how innocent and trusting a person like Anna really is. It's not even part of our reality that people like Anna and her family exists. She grew up in an alternate universe as far as pop culture, sexuality and the realities of life are concerned. She, like Josh, was home-schooled and wasn't integrated with other children. Anna was also raised in a Fundamentalist Christian home. Both Anna and Josh will say that their parents were open and listened to them and prayed with them ( to achieve 'peace in their heart' ) when faced with temptations. (nuh-uh that's not parental sexual education and guidance)

 

In a few short years, Anna has been the 'good wife' and gave Josh the "blessings of God by having many children". Now, with 4 little ones to be a mother to, Anna has two choices. Leave Josh and go back home and live with her parents and take the kids away from their father, or stay with Josh for the sake of the children and forever be an unhappy and distrusting woman. The two choices she has aren't good ones no matter what she does.

[Defrauder]

I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth but I wish this scandal had involved another Duggar, only because people will see him as "the bad seed" and not see that the whole belief system is sick. In therapy we would call him "the identified patient" he displays the dysfunction of the entire family, but they are all sick. And wow do they hate/fear women. The only way to ensure a woman never leaves you is to keep her uneducated and pregnant. She's not a wife she is a hostage. I seem to be in the minority but I think the molestation was a far bigger deal then this. Espically the molestation of a five year old child, that is some serious sexually acting out. I think Josh has some serious problems (I know we aren't allowed to diagnos) conforming to societal standards/ norms. When you dig deeper it's about more than sex.

I'm with you the molestation is a bigger deal than the adultery.  The family being so dysfunctional in so many ways not just one person is affected.  The Josh answer to the question that yes there are times when someone is obligated to have sex with him is really terrifying actually considering his history.  He hasn't seemed to have changed or 'healed' in any way from the looks of that response.

[Julia]

When they post ChickFilA pictures, it's their way of saying "Fuck you gay people, you don't deserve rights and I will support those who actively discriminate against you." It has nothing to do with their love of chicken biscuits.

True. Bad example. I just have no idea what Josh eats, and I don't want to insult Anna's tater tot hot dish, because with four kids and Josh, I'm astonished that she gets tater tot hot dish on the table.

eta:

Julia, you beat me to it. The "am I doing this right?" vibe is strong with the Duggars and all of their pathetic attempts to keep their brand alive through social media.

The Duggar sons as boy band collage on their video site is painful.

Edited August 21, 2015 by Julia

[bigskygirl]

Okay we seem to be forming some potholes in the discussion of the latest Josh scandal news. First of all, lets not play armchair psychologist with Josh is a sex addict. None of us has sit down with him to do a complete diagnosis of the causes for his behavior. Remember this is a television show forum and not Lets Play Diagnosis Josh on the internet. Second, please do not go into minute details about Josh and Anna's sex life. Saying Josh may had some secret fantasies and Anna did not meet his needs so he decided to cheat is blaming Anna in a way and starts to fall into analyzing Josh's behavior. And third, lets end the on again, off again debate of lets blame JB and Michelle, if Josh had a chance to date, or was able to look at Playboy he would not have molested girls and would not have cheated on Anna. Also, do not use the terms pedophile or incest since neither one has been proven.

 

The mods will edit or hid questionable posts on especially about the above mention topics. We once again say thanks to all of you for your patience and cooperation.

[sometimesy]

I think the food instagrams are product placements for freebies.

[truthtalk2014]

Everybody talks about Anna leaving Josh, but is there any chance that Josh would actually choose to leave Anna...? I know it's probably not something he could do if he ever wants to parlay all of this into some sort of "reformed sinner" ministry tour, and I don't know what else he could do for a living, but it's conceivable that he could decide to just cut his losses and distance himself from the entire mess, coincidentally leaving himself free to indulge in whatever. I'm not sure it's something that would really prove viable for him, but I'm sure it might be tempting sometimes. And obviously he does have a tendency to give in to temptation.

 

Where would that leave Anna? If she was the one who was left, wouldn't her family have to support her more than they might have if she was the one who walked away?

I was typing the same thing at the same time as you!  (on the Josh leaving Anna thing).  Crazy.  Great minds think alike you know.  

[Defrauder]

I wonder what is really going on in that house. 

 

Is Josh stuffing his face with Oreos while Jim Bob yells?

Is Josh hiding in the bathroom?

Is Anna screaming at Josh or just sobbing?

Is Michelle using the baby voice?

Is Bin taking notes for future instagram sermons?

Is Anna on the phone with her parents?

Are they all in the TTH hiding behind the gates?

 

Wonder if Jim Bob/Michelle are arguing with Anna's parents? Maybe they want her to come back to Florida for a while. They might realize Josh is a sick individual even if his mommy protects him. I personally think Jim Bob hates Josh at this point. 

My guess:  Michelle is using the 3 year old baby voice to try and soothe Anna and pray for guidance.

                   Jim Bob is giving Josh a stern lecture while Josh figures out how to see his mistress(es) on the sly,

                    The children are running wild while the sister mom's try to care for them.

                     Gothard is calling the house with his advice on sending Josh to a construction site.

                      Anna is about to fall apart.

[Churchhoney]

I think the food instagrams are product placements for freebies.

 

I think they're probably all three: Ooohh, freebies if I post this! Ooohh, Chick-Fil-A hates teh gays as much as I do! Oooohh, look at cool trendsetting me posting cool food pics on cool social media! Every one of those sentiments fits Josh and Jessa to a tee, I think.

[CarolMK]

Do we know for a fact that Josh and Anna are staying with Jim Bob and Michelle? Or are they living in Jill and Derrick's house?

 

I hope that Anna at least takes the kids and visits her parents for an extended period of time. Even though they are all little, kids know when there is tension between their parents. They might not be yelling/screaming at each other, but i'm certain that the older two probably can sense that something is off between mommy and daddy. I feel for Anna, the kids, and her parents. I'm sure they really thought that Anna hit the jackpot when she married Josh, especially since their oldest daughter seems to be struggling financially with her husband and 9 kids somewhere in Africa. I really wonder what all of Anna's siblings think of Josh Duggar now as well as Jim Bob and Michelle. 

[Anne Elk]

If Josh leaves, Anna still sees herself as a failure who couldn't keep her man from falling into a life of sin. And according to the beliefs of her church she's married to Josh for life, so there will be no second marriage for her. Given those choices, staying with him is probably the much better option. At least there's a chance, however tiny, that Josh will reform and recommit himself to Jesus. Again. 

 

I just hope she knows better than to have more kids with this jerk until he gets his problems worked out ... but who am I kidding. She believes she can't say no and that she's the only thing that can save him from Satan. 

[Dianaofthehunt]

Why haven't the media staked out Anna's parents' house and demanded statements? Nobody lives that remotely in this day and age. Is any group working on that?

Also: I want a mole to blow thei Duggar finances wide open. They can't be that hard to crack! Where's the intrepid hacker that will take on the job? 

[Satchels of gold]

the ever evolving public statement clearly says that there is a lot of chaos going on at the Duggar compound . I wish the little old lady from the insurance commercial could tell them "that's not how it works, that's not how any of this works". You can't make us unremember the first two statements.

[Marigold]

I totally think Michelle is in some other wing of the TTH using the baby voice trying to soothe Anna. Maybe telling her stupid stories of when she was a teen and mowed the lawn in a bikini and prayed about it...

 

I think Jim Bob's head is exploding at this point.

Josh is thinking a good "session" will probably make him feel so so soooo much better and numb the pain. And then have a donut cheeseburger. 

And totally yes, the little ones are running wild while Jana, Jinger and Joy try to contain them.

John David went to work doing one of his dress up jobs (police, pilot, truck driver). 

 

Wonder if Jessa and Binseewald are in the TTH or at home? I'm betting they are at home. Jim Bob doesn't want Bin reporting any of this back to his parents.

 

I wish we had a live video feed...hey,  hey...now there's a way that Duggar Studios might gain popularity! 

[Defrauder]

You've got it Marigold!  This would be the big break Duggar Studios has been praying for!  Filming the latest Josh scandal as it unfolds in real time at home!  Even I might put down $20 to see that one.

[HumblePi]

[Defrauder]

I kind of like the Satan apology version(version #1) because it clearly says that Satan has built a fortress in his heart.  That really says it all. He's got a Satan's heart.  Forget about the soft heart Michelle was talking about oh no he's clearly got Satan's heart.  Sorry Michelle.

[flyingdi]

I think Jessa, and I actually like Jessa more than most, I think she is currently stalking the TTH with a butcher knife calling out, "Come here, Joshie, I'm gonna take care of your little problem!" In a very sweet voice, of course.

[sometimesy]

Anna seems to love this fool. That's the bottom line. In addition to all her cult training, her access to funds, her broken heart, her 4 children, the lack of education, her willingness to accept some of the blame...Anna apparently loves Josh. I hope they get REAL outside counselling, separately and as a couple, if she does decide to stay.

Edited August 21, 2015 by sometimesy

[trajedi]

I have to assume with the amount of time and money he spent on that site, he actually did have an affair/s. How long is it going to take before a woman steps forward and gives the media information? Now that its not anonymous for anyone, all of the members have been outed anyway.

 

I also can't help but smirk at the idea of some woman going to have an affair and showing up to a hotel room only to find out its Josh Duggar. Ew.

 

My heart goes out to Anna and the children. She is in such a terrible position and that religion (much like the FLDS) pushes women to be married and pregnant very young so they don't have a way of escaping once they reach an age of reason and true awareness. 

[natyxg]

I kind of like the Satan apology version(version #1) because it clearly says that Satan has built a fortress in his heart.  That really says it all. He's got a Satan's heart.  Forget about the soft heart Michelle was talking about oh no he's clearly got Satan's heart.  Sorry Michelle.

 

I preferred that one cause it seemed more sincere, even admitting to the porn thing.

 

I imagine the family has to be very, VERY angry with Josh. Specially Jessa (whose thunder was stolen again) and of course JB and Michelle. I don't know if Anna has a temper, but if I was in her position I would be heartbroken and exhausted by this point.

 

The molestation thing they knew and had dealt with, so they could blame it all on the evil media bringing up the past to hurt them. But this is all Josh. You could feel the anger in that matter-of-factly introduction to Josh's apology.

 

As for Anna staying with Josh, imo she totally will. They are living in like the 50s and husbands sleeping around and the wives staying even though they knew wasn't so unheard of then. She has the added public humiliation, though, but I doubt that would change anything.

[Bossa Nova]

It makes me ill that wife Anna says she is partly to blame. 

 

Why? 

 

Because you turn him down for sex once on awhile ?

Because you're friggin tired, or have your period, or just plain don't feel like it ?

Because he really does not meet your own mental, emotional, or physical needs ?

Because Josh has poor hygiene and won't do anything about it ?

Because you won't do that...or that....or that other thing ?

 

I want to shake her and tell her SHE HAS RIGHTS.

SHE DOES NOT HAVE TO HAVE SEX WHENEVER,.... OR HOWEVER HE WANTS IT. 

She can say NO!

 

Sorry for the all caps, but I needed to get my points across.

Edited August 21, 2015 by Bossa Nova

[CherryMalotte]

I just so enjoy everybody's responses here, even if I don't 'like' all of them, I do.  Thanks!

 

That whole Satan Instead Of Sting Built A Fortress Around My Heart statement - that read like something right out of JB's mouth.  I'd bet good money a PR person or team didn't come up with that.  All the amendments since are the PR team.  

 

Anna seems to love this fool.

 

Isn't that the truth?  All that hand sex while they were engaged used to crack me up, like she was holding onto him for dear life.  I think she was just sooooo naive before marriage, she thought she was marrying into fundy royalty, so even if she did have some feelings of dismay or that something was 'off' with Josh after marriage she would blame herself and pray more.  She'll never leave...because of what she was taught.  That's sad.      

[CofCinci]

If Josh was allowed some independence and the opportunity to select his spouse, he could have found a lady who was into swinging and married her. Now, his wife sits there blaming herself for all his issues.

Edited August 21, 2015 by CofCinci