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GeeGolly
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My push presents after having my kids were my kids. 

Spencer Hastings
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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

If they're grapes (and I assume they are because there seem to be vines) then they're almost certainly Concord grapes.

We had those in our yard when I was a kid, and my mother made the most astonishing pies out of them.....You had to get the skins off the grapes first, though. So even though I'd love to taste that pie again and I have the recipe, I've never felt energetic enough to do the prep work.

I'd kinda like to see a Duggar cook try it, though. I might actually watch one of their videos if they did. 😁

Please don't give her any ideas thanks 🤗

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satrunrose

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I'm so confused. Why is that called a drawing exercise? Why is strawberry spelled wrong?  Why are there two categories of objects (foods and household items) on the page? Why would Jeremy think this workbook has any educational value? (Less blame for Jinge who came from per-pen-dic-u-lar and bankruptcy law, although she should have figured out some of this before buying 'educational' material for her kids). 

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Churchhoney

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On 12/9/2022 at 6:23 PM, satrunrose said:

I'm so confused. Why is that called a drawing exercise? Why is strawberry spelled wrong?  Why are there two categories of objects (foods and household items) on the page? Why would Jeremy think this workbook has any educational value? (Less blame for Jinge who came from per-pen-dic-u-lar and bankruptcy law, although she should have figured out some of this before buying 'educational' material for her kids). 

Also, how misguided and hard up is someone who's trying to SELL this....and sell it via THIS "#ad" which...um....wtf?  ....It's um, maybe an English-language primer workbook made in China....or somethings similar? Or just....wtf. 

This truly is something I can only imagine a person buying because they'd been madly in love with Jingle for well over a decade....

But since I'm sure there are a bunch of people like this, she'll probably spur some sales.....Some grandkids out there are going to get this trophy among their Christmas gifts.

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15 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Just by miles, as she lives in CA. She does have a book coming out soon in which she writes about giving up everything Gothard.

And by "giving up everything Gothard" she means replacing Gothard with John MacArthur. I think one is predestination and the other is free will, both are hateful, homophobic, and misogynist.

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I think this article shows some insight on Jinger's part. The thing about how being taught to live  a certain way to avoid punishment and if you follow Gothards teaching you will have wealth. It was interesting that Gothard being accused of SA was one of the main things that pushed her away from IBLP and she compared Josh and Gothard.  I don't know what her beliefs are but given her present church still not one I would support. However since she was willing to move away from the IBLP she does have potential to grow beyond this church or maybe she is done. I wasn't too interested but now I am more so. It is curious that Ben got her questioning yet Jessa seems to be the most tied into JB of the older daughters. I remember how Jinger was so upset and crying when she was talking to Michelle about her decision to wear pants. She must have felt her rejecting IBLP teaching was like rejecting her parents. Hope somewhere along the line she has or will get professional therapy.  

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auntieminem

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She might be following McArthur's theology now but according to her, she left/or was leaving IBLP before Jeremy and before they moved to LA and started going to Mc's church.  I think the big difference was Gothard/IBLP promoted the wisdom book as being the same as the bible. Mc's issue is how he interprets the bible. She is saying that she feels bad for having promoted IBLP and having contributed to people joining.  I am curious if in this book she promotes McArthur's "interpretation" of the bible, Calvinism, etc or if she just points out how the IBLP is wrong.  I don't like Mc's theology or the man himself but Gothard was more of a cult leader with his wisdom books. Mc is just an ego driven,  crappy preacher pushing his crappy beliefs (including sexist) and self serving interpretation of the bible. 

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Churchhoney

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2 hours ago, auntieminem said:

She might be following McArthur's theology now but according to her, she left/or was leaving IBLP before Jeremy and before they moved to LA and started going to Mc's church.  I think the big difference was Gothard/IBLP promoted the wisdom book as being the same as the bible. Mc's issue is how he interprets the bible. She is saying that she feels bad for having promoted IBLP and having contributed to people joining.  I am curious if in this book she promotes McArthur's "interpretation" of the bible, Calvinism, etc or if she just points out how the IBLP is wrong.  I don't like Mc's theology or the man himself but Gothard was more of a cult leader with his wisdom books. Mc is just an ego driven,  crappy preacher pushing his crappy beliefs (including sexist) and self serving interpretation of the bible. 

Well, the book seems to have been ghostwritten by MacArthur's top PR ad communications guy. He's listed as the coauthor, I guess, but we know what that means. And its publisher has had numerous MacArthur books on their list for years. Plus, the publisher is completely tied in to Calvinism, especially MacArthur-style conservative evangelical Calvinism. So it seems likely they include  it in most of not all of the books in their catalog. 

So it's hard to see that MacArthur's comms guy  (and MacArthur and Jer) would intend the book to be anything but a strong (but well whitewashed, of course) sales pitch for MacArthur's opinions, his schools and his church. His church, like most others, is fighting for a strong well-funded future right now. And they'll get eyeballs on this book because of Jingle's tv exposure and public nostalgia and affection for her. And Jer obviously hopes to make that church or churches connected to it his livelihood. 

That suggests the motivations of all the men involved, at least, are the same motivations that David Waller (then a Gothard communications guy) and the Gothard enterprises and JB and M had for participating in a supposed book project about Jingle and her sisters that was actually just a disguised pro-Gothard tract. In a day of slowly dwindling church-cult influence and revenues, this is good PR for your enterprise that you can hide behind a TV-famous young woman. 

And can anybody imagine Jingle pushing her coauthor/ghostwriter to tell the story in some way she prefers or to leave out anything that the guy wants to put in? I can't imagine it, given what we've seen of Jingle all this time....

Plus everything I've read and heard about MacArthur says he's a "my way or the highway" kind of guy. In addition to being a guy who seems to have about zero respect for women, except insofar as they're "meek Christian wives" who follow the men's lead in every important area. So I can't really picture him losing this opportunity to hang a PR campaign for himself on Jingle's shoulders!     

He IS well known for whitewashing the degree to whish his enterprise is a cult.....So a lot of what he does and preaches WON"T be in the book. But the parts that people find enticing and palatable about his cult and his personal biblical views will be in there, I'm betting. In his mind, I'll bet the book isn't about Jingle at all, but about getting more butts (and wallets) into his pews. (in a sneaky, non-salesy way -- just make readers so curious about this wonderful new thing she's found that they'll want to know more) 

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Absolom

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People may call the church Jinger attends a cult and there are so many definitions of cult that one will fit.  But, this is a regular church in the sense that people come and go and pick and choose their beliefs and level of involvement, etc.  It isn't the soul binding experience of IBLP/ATI.  It's no different than the conservative Presbyterian church a couple miles from my house.  In fact, I think it's more liberal in that where Jinger is attending doesn't seem to harp on about women's apparel or say that their place is in the home or discourage education.  

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Ohiopirate02

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I also want to add to the discussion about this "article" from Publishers Weekly--Publishers Weekly is really not a prestigious periodical in the book industry when it comes to author interviews and book reviews.  They are great for reporting on the state of the publishing world and for getting information on the business of selling books.  The rest of their content is fluff.  They rely on a lot of sponsored content in their physical magazines, and that sponsored content includes stuff like this article on Jinger.  I have a strong suspicion that Jinger's publisher paid for this interview because PW passed on reviewing the book (along with all other major book reviewers).  Usually when publications choose to interview authors, they go with the authors who's books they have positively reviewed.  

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Churchhoney

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4 hours ago, Absolom said:

People may call the church Jinger attends a cult and there are so many definitions of cult that one will fit.  But, this is a regular church in the sense that people come and go and pick and choose their beliefs and level of involvement, etc.  It isn't the soul binding experience of IBLP/ATI.  It's no different than the conservative Presbyterian church a couple miles from my house.  In fact, I think it's more liberal in that where Jinger is attending doesn't seem to harp on about women's apparel or say that their place is in the home or discourage education.  

I call it cultish in the sense that JM has his own very particular theology that he's basically made up out of whole cloth while intimidating people into accepting it by the claim that he got it directly out of the Hebrew and Greek of the Old and New Testaments.......And that he does really seem to insist that everybody buy his view in all its details.....And it also seems to me (and others! ) that he's clearly had some kind of cult of personality going in his institutions for many years.

I agree with you that in many things  Gothardism and some other famous cults are heavy on, like clothing people wear and such, JM's setup isn't very cultlike. And it certainly doesn't APPEAR cultlike at all, in those external matters.

For me, however -- although not for everybody, I realize --  the essence of a cult lies in the cult-of-personality part and in any peculiar tenets of faith or theology that are of the mind-control or groupthink sort that the personality pushes above all else. And JM's worldview has quite a few of those, as I understand it!  

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7 hours ago, floridamom said:

From what I have read, Jinger has exchanged Gothard's teachings for McArthur's. Not much difference. 

Possibly worse, imo. 

3 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I also want to add to the discussion about this "article" from Publishers Weekly--Publishers Weekly is really not a prestigious periodical in the book industry when it comes to author interviews and book reviews.  They are great for reporting on the state of the publishing world and for getting information on the business of selling books.  The rest of their content is fluff.  They rely on a lot of sponsored content in their physical magazines, and that sponsored content includes stuff like this article on Jinger.  I have a strong suspicion that Jinger's publisher paid for this interview because PW passed on reviewing the book (along with all other major book reviewers).  Usually when publications choose to interview authors, they go with the authors who's books they have positively reviewed.  

Exactly. And did they actually interview Jinger in person for this article? Or did they submit a list of questions to her publisher and they answered them for her?

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15 hours ago, AstridM said:

Exactly. And did they actually interview Jinger in person for this article? Or did they submit a list of questions to her publisher and they answered them for her?

Why should this matter? Nobody these days goes into any type of interview, whether TV, radio, video or print without knowing EXACTLY what will be asked. 

Everybody is prepped beforehand and answers are decided on. Even the low-key, unimportant and z-list celeb or influencer will never go in cold, if they even come up with their own answers. 

You may get the occasional AMA through Reddit, but even those are practically scripted.

And there are almost no live interviews done anymore in any type of media.  Not even Oprah.  

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AstridM

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4 hours ago, SnapHappy said:

Why should this matter? Nobody these days goes into any type of interview, whether TV, radio, video or print without knowing EXACTLY what will be asked. 

Everybody is prepped beforehand and answers are decided on. Even the low-key, unimportant and z-list celeb or influencer will never go in cold, if they even come up with their own answers. 

You may get the occasional AMA through Reddit, but even those are practically scripted.

And there are almost no live interviews done anymore in any type of media.  Not even Oprah.  

I think this answers my question 🤣.

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4 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

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Why is it so brown?  I've never had brown pizza; it looks more like something I cleaned up when my cat ate something wrong.

ETA: Someone on Reddit suggested it was a taco pizza with a refried beans base, burnt cheese, and canned jalapeños.  That makes the most sense to me, but I still wouldn't eat it.  

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