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2 hours ago, crazy8s said:

were Jer and Jing on the show last night? If they are still following the Jer and Aud Roloff pattern, which they have every step of the way. book, podcast, silly themed online store that fails, if they continue follow the Roloff pattern they will quit the show and their new shop will be selling essential oils......

I didn't watch it, but I read some summaries that said they weren't. I hate to break it you guys, but I'm starting to think we've been lied to about them being the breakout stars. 😄 

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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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13 hours ago, crazy8s said:

were Jer and Jing on the show last night? If they are still following the Jer and Aud Roloff pattern, which they have every step of the way. book, podcast, silly themed online store that fails, if they continue follow the Roloff pattern they will quit the show and their new shop will be selling essential oils......

Scented pocket squares.  You're welcome, Jeremy.  Make sure I get my 50% cut for thinking of it.

 

13 hours ago, Nysha said:

I honestly think Jeremy has what I call "the grass is always greener" syndrome. As soon as something quits being fun or easy he's off to the new thing that will fulfill his desire to be rich and famous instead of slogging through until it's a success. Jeremy might be boring, but he could learn to act naturally enthusiastic and knowledgeable long enough to preach a sermon, give a speech, or put together a social media post.  But, he doesn't want to be entertaining, he wants to be the respected authority of all things and he doesn't have the talent or experience to pull that off.

So what's strange to me is that he did reach a level of success as a soccer player, which takes a tremendous amount of time and discipline, so we know he has experience in working hard - but I also think that BECAUSE he reached such a high plateau in sports, he thinks that he can just hang his hat on that accomplishment and the "hard work" portion of his life is over.  He must assume that companies are going to come knocking down the door of a Z-list former soccer player and his wife for endorsements.  I think he sees himself and Jinger as a slightly less famous version of David Beckham and Posh Spice.

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10 hours ago, laurakaye said:

So what's strange to me is that he did reach a level of success as a soccer player, which takes a tremendous amount of time and discipline, so we know he has experience in working hard -

I actually suspect that Jeremy's lack of discipline and laziness is a big factor why he really didn't get very far in soccer. I mean, compared to the average person, yes, he did achieve some modest success in professional sports, but I don't think you end up playing football* in Finland if you're a top talent. That's not to say he perhaps didn't have the potential to go farther, but he clearly didn't. And he didn't last long with the MLS team he was with either and never played a game with them as far as I can tell. 

*and by football I mean soccer 🙂 

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5 hours ago, Zella said:

I actually suspect that Jeremy's lack of discipline and laziness is a big factor why he really didn't get very far in soccer. I mean, compared to the average person, yes, he did achieve some modest success in professional sports, but I don't think you end up playing football in Finland if you're a top talent. That's not to say he perhaps didn't have the potential to go farther, but he clearly didn't. And he didn't last long with the MLS team he was with either and never played a game with them as far as I can tell. 

If you're any good, you end up at the other side of Europe not in Finland. Germany, Italy, England, France, Spain, there's where the real money is to be made.

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8 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Why does this picture look like a still from a crazy Lifetime stalker movie? "A Barista's Worst Nightmare" 

It's . . . not a picture that reassures me my customer service issue will be resolved, that's for sure. 

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3 minutes ago, Zella said:

It's . . . not a picture that reassures me my customer service issue will be resolved, that's for sure. 

If anything, it projects circumvention. Everything hidden except for the eyes. 

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1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

If anything, it projects circumvention. Everything hidden except for the eyes. 

If they weren't so spectacularly inept, I'd think this was some sort of elaborate subliminal messaging attempt to quell the complaints. LOLOL

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Just now, Zella said:

If they weren't so spectacularly inept, I'd think this was some sort of elaborate subliminal messaging attempt to quell the complaints. LOLOL

Yeah, HOPE BOLD has hidden meanings that we mere mortals will never divine. 😂

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10 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Yeah, HOPE BOLD has hidden meanings that we mere mortals will never divine. 😂

Hope BOLD they ain't reporting your ass to the credit card companies you charged for broken candles and unfulfilled orders for fraud!?!?  😄 

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3 minutes ago, Zella said:

Hope BOLD they ain't reporting your ass to the credit card companies you charged for broken candles and unfulfilled orders for fraud!?!?  😄 

Sadly, that won't happen. The sorry Christians who bought into their bullshit will eat the loss and hopefully be a little more wary about who they give their money to. From the complaints I read, people seemed more disappointed than angry. Maybe THAT'S Hope BOLD!!!!111 😁

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7 hours ago, beckie said:

Who is the person incognito?

According to Reddit, it's Cambria Jacobson. She does their marketing. She was also behind Audrey Roloff's online store.....which shut down. Not a good track record, but she's hot, blonde and Jesus-y, so she ticks the right boxes for Jeremy. 

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It also just dawned on me that this is a Story, right? So, it's going to expire and disappear. It's not the same as making a stable post encouraging people to contact them. What a bunch of fucking weasels! (That's probably an insult to weasels, to be fair to weasels.) 

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2 minutes ago, Zella said:

It also just dawned on me that this is a Story, right? So, it's going to expire and disappear. It's not the same as making a stable post encouraging people to contact them. What a bunch of fucking weasels! (That's probably an insult to weasels, to be fair to weasels.) 

Too bad, so sad. Assholes. 

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1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Too bad, so sad. Assholes. 

Yep How very Christian of a budding minister and his wife! 

WWJPOI What Would Jesus Post on Instagram? Not a Story in response to a complete business failure. 

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5 minutes ago, Zella said:

Yep How very Christian of a budding minister and his wife! 

WWJPOI What Would Jesus Post on Instagram? Not a Story in response to a complete business failure. 

A giant middle finger to their loyal, gullible customers. I can't believe they're going to get away with this.

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8 hours ago, Zella said:

It's . . . not a picture that reassures me my customer service issue will be resolved, that's for sure. 

True. And in addition to the weird-ass photo, I'm irrationally annoyed by the wording of the message. "So we can help YOU resolve it"? The problem isn't the customer's to resolve. I think it should read "so we can resolve it" or "so we can make it right." And how aboutt a hint of remorse or humility?

Haha, that last sentence was a joke. I know we're dealing with Jeremee here. 

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That picture isn’t even on the Hope & Stead page. Instead, it’s on their  podcast page, for 24 hours as a story.

The original Instagram page the products were on, currently looks like this:

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7 hours ago, Zella said:

Yep How very Christian of a budding minister and his wife! 

WWJPOI What Would Jesus Post on Instagram? Not a Story in response to a complete business failure. 

I think you're talking about your Jesus. Theirs......may be a little different....apparently. 😁

I mean, theirs absolutely hates social justice, for example. And thinks a city with a lot of Catholic residents has a demonic-horde problem. More of an Ayn-Rand-style Jesus. 

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35 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

So their effort are "Non-Profit"??  Have we seen that and discussed before?  It's the first time hearing that for me.

Sounds like a CYA retcon to me -- and I've spent 15 years listening to lawyers' arguments.

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10 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Why does this picture look like a still from a crazy Lifetime stalker movie? "A Barista's Worst Nightmare" 

 I was thinking it was one of those lifetime movies where woman runs away from her abusive husband, makes the best friend in a new city, and then the best friend takes off her wig and it turns out to be the husband. And then they fight and she kills him.

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When they first started Hope & Stead they did not mention non-profits. Shortly after, people asked if they were going to donate proceeds, up popped the non-profit info. They did not say proceeds were going to them, just that they support them. 
 

17 weeks ago:

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1 hour ago, BigBingerBro said:

So their effort are "Non-Profit"??  Have we seen that and discussed before?  It's the first time hearing that for me.

I'm pretty sure that's always been something they list.

I remember at least a short discussion of it back around the time they started the store the first time.

I think maybe at that point they made some vague statement about donating proceeds and maybe even some vague description of the kind of cause/group/whatever to which they'd donate them....

ETA: Day late. Dollar short. Thanks, @Ginger

I also remember that when they were asking people to predict (before it opened) what their store would do, some people guessed that it'd have a charitable function of some kind! I remember we discussed that as touching innocence about what the Vuolo Jesus is interested in . 

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1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

When they first started Hope & Stead they did not mention non-profits. Shortly after, people asked if they were going to donate proceeds, up popped the non-profit info. They did not say proceeds were going to them, just that they support them. 
 

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Compassion International, Inc. is a mission-type organization that must make pretty decent use of its money. They get good marks from the charity-rating groups. 

Unusual for a mission that these people are involved in to actually try to help real people with real problems rather than just preach at them. So I'll definitely give them points for that. ....

Of course, we don't know how much of the proceeds they intend to donate. Although we can probably be pretty sure that the total revenues so far have been quite slim.....and there may not be a lot of HOPE for them to get any fatter....

https://greatnonprofits.org/org/compassion-international-inc

Target demographics: children living in extreme poverty.

Direct beneficiaries per year: 1,461,116 children

Geographic areas served: 26 countries

Programs: Compassion International exists as a Christian child advocacy ministry that releases children from spiritual, economic, social and physical poverty and enables them to become responsible, fulfilled Christian adults. Compassion's Child Sponsorship Program creates a one-to-one relationship between a child living in extreme poverty and a sponsor, who, through a $38 monthly commitment, provides that child with physical, social, spiritual and economic care and training, making a difference in that child’s life, thereby changing her world and empowering her to improve her environment for future generations. Compassion's Child Survival Program responds to the needs of mothers on behalf of their babies by ensuring a healthy environment and a strong start in life for the poorest and most vulnerable so that they may escape the cycle of poverty. Using proven child survival strategies, caregivers are equipped to nurture and disciple their children, who otherwise might not survive to age 5.

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They are being so willfully unhelpful and lazy with their failed "store" and their soon-to-be defunct podcast.  With the store's site being redirected to another site - the site of the podcast - where Jeremy asks his listeners to tell him what to talk about and who to interview - it seems designed to get their customers to just say, "forget about it, I'm out $18.95, lesson learned."  And with a "sorry your items got broken" IG story that's designed to only be seen for 24 hours and then it's gone, the onus is on the customer.  Excellent business savvy, Jeremy.  What a colossal jerk.

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3 hours ago, JoanArc said:

 I was thinking it was one of those lifetime movies where woman runs away from her abusive husband, makes the best friend in a new city, and then the best friend takes off her wig and it turns out to be the husband. And then they fight and she kills him.

To be fair, that sounds like an amazing movie.

2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

I also remember that when they were asking people to predict (before it opened) what their store would do, some people guessed that it'd have a charitable function of some kind! I remember we discussed that as touching innocence about what the Vuolo Jesus is interested in . 

That was so delicious!

I don't think it even was purposeful trolling, I think leghumpers were suggesting that in earnest... yet it was still *chef's kiss* trolling anyhow 😂

15 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

They are being so willfully unhelpful and lazy with their failed "store" and their soon-to-be defunct podcast.  With the store's site being redirected to another site - the site of the podcast - where Jeremy asks his listeners to tell him what to talk about and who to interview - it seems designed to get their customers to just say, "forget about it, I'm out $18.95, lesson learned."  And with a "sorry your items got broken" IG story that's designed to only be seen for 24 hours and then it's gone, the onus is on the customer.  Excellent business savvy, Jeremy.  What a colossal jerk.

Yup, exactly, they want it to be such a pain to get a refund that nobody can actually do it. Which is incredibly sleazy, and also bad business.

There is no way their other ventures are going to last long if this is their idea of customer service. They're clearly not even thinking long-term in terms of their own viability as a brand, just trying to grift as much as they can now and then run away later.

Which I think is a terrible plan, but then a lot of what the Vuolos do seems like a terrible plan to me.

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25 minutes ago, rue721 said:

To be fair, that sounds like an amazing movie.

 It’s called A Dangerous Secret.  You know, the same title as every other lifetime movie. 

I’m waiting for one named Counting On: The Hope We Hold (based on a true story).  It should be out in about 10 years. 

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On 3/31/2021 at 6:06 PM, Churchhoney said:

Here's what I don't get.

Jer is in school. He apparently has a school-supplied part-time job. He's had a podcast with just them as a couple and apparently plans to continue it at some point, and he does occasional podcasts with other people. He's very occupied with trying to be an online influencer in all sorts of ways and for all sorts of things. He has a recurring role in a reality tv show. He's got a soon-to-be-released book from a big traditional publisher to help promote. He's got an infant and a toddler to help raise and to bond with. 

Jinger has the infant and the toddler to care for 24/7. She participated in the book and in the podcast they did as a couple. She has the forthcoming book to help promote too. She's also on the tv show. And she does influencer stuff as well. 

Why in the heck did they/do they need or want an online store???!!!! 

Online stores are notoriously a pain in the neck to run and -- equally notoriously --  very hard to make money from. They already have enough activities to keep both of them busy day and night if they give each of their previously scheduled activities its due. And nothing they do and nothing specific about their audience clearly suggests some product or products they could easily sell to a large number of their followers. so the store poses multiple marketing challenges before they even start it.

So what in the world does Jer think they have to gain by adding a store to their pile of existing activities? It makes no sense. Are they truly just following the Roloffs? But the Roloff stores didn't really work, did they? Even though annoying Audrey did seem to have a more coherent idea about her store than Jer and Jingle do? 

Why why why does Jer want a store? 

My brother in law started an online store and has managed to turn it into a full time business with hundreds of employees and a very nice income for his family.  However, he started with a product that he made himself in his basement at first, something unique and not available just anywhere.  Something that a lot of people might enjoy and that was also going to appeal to people who wanted to make a wholesale purchase and then re-sell it.  He literally spent a couple of years doing research in his off-hours from his regular job.  He went online, read books, contacted successful entrepreneurs for advice.  He also studied the internet in detail; how search engines work, how to rise to the top of the first page on Google, etc..  Then, he launched his product, starting out using someone else' store on E Bay before getting his own site.  He made fast and friendly customer service his trademark.  Even today, doing millions of dollars in business every year; any customer with a complaint will receive a personal reply from him within a day and often a phone call, too.  He guarantees to make things right if the product is damaged or delivered late or otherwise unsatisfactory.  Then, he goes out and does what he promises.  He also spends well over 60 hours a week at the business doing the actual work to this day.

People like my brother in law can run profitable internet enterprises.  People like Jing and Jer will never do it right, so they'll never make much money.

 

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19 hours ago, doodlebug said:

My brother in law started an online store and has managed to turn it into a full time business with hundreds of employees and a very nice income for his family.  However, he started with a product that he made himself in his basement at first, something unique and not available just anywhere.  Something that a lot of people might enjoy and that was also going to appeal to people who wanted to make a wholesale purchase and then re-sell it.  He literally spent a couple of years doing research in his off-hours from his regular job.  He went online, read books, contacted successful entrepreneurs for advice.  He also studied the internet in detail; how search engines work, how to rise to the top of the first page on Google, etc..  Then, he launched his product, starting out using someone else' store on E Bay before getting his own site.  He made fast and friendly customer service his trademark.  Even today, doing millions of dollars in business every year; any customer with a complaint will receive a personal reply from him within a day and often a phone call, too.  He guarantees to make things right if the product is damaged or delivered late or otherwise unsatisfactory.  Then, he goes out and does what he promises.  He also spends well over 60 hours a week at the business doing the actual work to this day.

People like my brother in law can run profitable internet enterprises.  People like Jing and Jer will never do it right, so they'll never make much money.

 

Exactly.

All this is necessary. And congrats to your brother in law, because I know of some people who actually have done all that and still have trouble turning a good profit. It's  very hard work and to some degree remains a chancy enterprise even for those who make the proper effort, due to whims of the marketplace. 

And even trying it is insanity for people like Jer and Jingle, none of whose pursuits lend themselves in the slightest to spinning off a good product for which they could find a sufficient market, whether self-invented or bought wholesale elsewhere. Jer -- who has a business degree and a half -- must not have read or listened to one iota of advice about online businesses before glomming onto this idiotic doomed project. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, JoanArc said:

I’m waiting for one named Counting On: The Hope We Hold (based on a true story).  It should be out in about 10 years. 

Oh God it sounds like it would be the fundie version of Revolutionary Road.

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Just now, BitterApple said:

Side note: I love that movie.

 

I do too. I love Michael Shannon in that movie. 

I keep trying to read the book and then noping out of it. Not because it's not good but just because I don't think I can emotionally handle reading it. 

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2 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

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Okay, what this seems to be is a branch of the MacArthur church enterprise that's reaching out to moneyed, prosperous and upwardly mobile  all young adults in the LA area in an attempt to hornswoggle  invite them into this grift mill for greedy fuckers like MacArthur and Jer  longstanding spiritual community to continue Johnny Mac's and his cronies' cash flow ad infinitum  help them set up automatic tithing in their bank/credit card accounts navigate this sin-filled world by shoring up the sexist, racist snotty-Christian patriarchy  through superior adherence to MacArthur's obnoxious bigotry and meanness  Christian faith.

This Austin Duncan guy, pictured above with so-so-pleased-with-what-he-thinks-are-his-good-looks jerkwad Jer, is the guy Jer was sucking up to at the parking-lot breakfast(s?) he posted about last year.

So I guess Jer's become a kind of adjunct in this program, which the church leaders likely intend to stem the increasing flow of younger people out of the churches, including theirs.

Jer has preached at least one sermon to this group, which, for anyone in search of a non-habit-forming sleep aid, is found here       https://www.gracechurch.org/sermons/16836            It's "Defying God's Word," based on passages from Jonah. 

Called a "college and career" ministry, this group runs sermon/lecture series, bible study groups and whatnot in various places and for various target audiences around the LA area. For example, there are separate groups for USC people, UCLA people, Cal State Northridge people, College of the Canyons people and others.    

Here's their anchor web page       https://www.gracechurch.org/crossroads

Here's hoping they don't manage to tempt too damn many young people into this misogynistic, homophobic, racist brand of religion. (Maybe Jer's boring droning sermonizing style can actually help me get my wish on this one...although it's not clear they let him speak very often....) 

 

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Does this mean Jing and Jer aren't going to the great celebration of love... er... I mean business deal signing that is Jed! and Katey's wedding. Going to Arkansas for the wedding and being back to lead Easter Sunday service in California at 8 seems like a lot. 

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