The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

[Sew Sumi]

Yes, I got Lucy Ferguson when I checked out Joy's midwife on the AR registered midwives roster.

[saylubee]

I don’t think anything is too funky with Jinger’s delivery.

There aren’t really in midwives in Laredo.  There are a few that will service the whole Rio Grande Valley, but if Jinger wanted a birth center option she wasn’t going to get that in Laredo.  I suspect the RGV midwives specialize in homebirths only.

There is a hospital in Laredo that is fairly highly rated with OB services, but for whatever reason Jinger didn’t want to use them.

I would guess Jinger & Jeremy chose Ms. Godfrey because she likely did have some ability to get patients transferred to the hospital/to an OB with hospital privileges.  She's also probably well known at that hospital and given a large latitude to do what she wants with her patients.  Once whatever shitshow went down with Joy, Jinger likely chose to go to the hospital route instead (or had something in her own tests that would make them want to choose a hospital delivery).  She probably could have then delivered in Laredo but that would mean starting over with a new OB in a late stage of pregnancy that wouldn’t play as nice with the midwife facility.

[OpieTaylor]

In the birth episode: eyeroll to Jessa and her "baby fever" - sounds like there won't be any limit to family size for the Seewalds. 

[Teresa]

On 8/1/2018 at 9:42 PM, BitterApple said:

I'm thinking Vuolo as well. It'll be interesting to see how Felicity develops, because I've seen infants be dead ringers for one parent only to flip and look like the other as their features fill in. 

True indeed! My daughter looked so much like my husband as a baby, but after she turned a year old, everyone said she was my mini-me. She's 5 and people still say "she looks just like you!"

[leighdear]

Jing had the least traumatic birth of the Dugger girls, so whatever combination of midwives and medical professionals she used, did the job right.  Healthy baby, fast-recovering mommy and Jana & Laura probably taking care of everybody.    

Jing & Baaaaaabe win this round too.  

And funny how quickly Jana managed to Google all the meanings of the name Felicity.  Nobody monitors that woman's Internet usage, I guarantee.  *LOL*

Edited August 10, 2018 by leighdear

[CoachWristletJen]

On 8/7/2018 at 12:31 PM, BckpckFullaNinjas said:

“...if Roman Grant were a big weenie...” 

LOVE IT!!

You've made my day. Things start to go south, I’ll say, “if Roman Grant were a big weenie...” and I KNOW I will grin, if not outright laugh!

Thankyou.

Why thank you! He really is a weenie.

[Snow Fairy]

Thank you for the video. It was really sweet. They seem so real, and no stupid home birth with some problem arising.

I teared up a bit (was induced with my second 7 months ago, memories are still fresh)

Talking about herbs, I also drank rapsberry leaves tea and ate dates. My births were both quick, so maybe it really helps

[Madtown]

Sweet baby, I love her little cheeks and smile!

[BitterApple]

Aww, she's a sweetheart. She definitely doesn't have the "Duggar look" which I guess makes sense considering Jinger takes after Michelle and not Boob.

Edited August 10, 2018 by BitterApple

[DragonFaerie]

9 hours ago, leighdear said:

And funny how quickly Jana managed to Google all the meanings of the name Felicity.  Nobody monitors that woman's Internet usage, I guarantee.  *LOL*

I think Boob and M'chelle are so checked out on the kids that I'm hoping at least Jana, the Sinner Twin and Jackson have their own secret IG and Twitter accounts that Ma and Pa don't know about because their kids would never break any of the rules, right?

[leighdear]

Cutie!  She's got Jinger's chin!

[BckpckFullaNinjas]

On 8/9/2018 at 11:52 AM, bythelake said:

  

Funny, even after they blamed the pill for the miscarriage, Michelle had most of her subsequent deliveries in a hospital. And when she went into pre-term labor with Josie, she went to the medical center in Little Rock where both received the best of care. I guess what's good for the goose isn't good enough for the gander.

Or in the case of MEEchelle and her daughters, “good for the goose but too good for the goslings.”  Shameful. 

[ramble]

On 8/9/2018 at 3:18 PM, floridamom said:

I never heard of anyone consuming prescribed herbs to prepare for labor and delivery. This midwife also is described to have married 'her best friend'.....makes me wonder, even with a short hair style and a job does she hold many of the same "Duggar-type" beliefs?" Didn't they say that her office and delivery 'experience' that she offers new moms is in HER HOME? Something is off here to me.

Both herbs and a homeopathic remedy were suggested for me during the final month or two of my pregnancies. I also took herbs to help encourage labor. I used midwives for both of my children’s births. My decision was not religiously based, though I am a Christian, I’m just a pretty crunchy mama. I was blessed to have relatively easy labors with each kid although they were quite a bit different in size. I don’t know if that’s necessarily attributable to the natural remedies but I definitely don’t discount it. And neither of my midwives has Duggar style beliefs. 

[doodlebug]

29 minutes ago, ramble said:

Both herbs and a homeopathic remedy were suggested for me during the final month or two of my pregnancies. I also took herbs to help encourage labor. I used midwives for both of my children’s births. My decision was not religiously based, though I am a Christian, I’m just a pretty crunchy mama. I was blessed to have relatively easy labors with each kid although they were quite a bit different in size. I don’t know if that’s necessarily attributable to the natural remedies but I definitely don’t discount it. And neither of my midwives has Duggar style beliefs. 

I think a lot of midwives, especially those with direct-entry credentials, rely on homeopathic remedies and they attract a clientele who want and expect those sorts of things.  Even the CNM's I work with get a lot of patients who feel that herbal medicines aren't really medicines or are somehow safer or less likely to have side effects than the more traditional standard medical treatments.  It's usually not true, but people believe what they believe, and, as long as its not harmful; it's ok by me and many other practitioners.

I do remind patients that I went to a regular, traditional medical school and I have that sort of training and experience.  If they want homeopathy or a shaman or any other sort of non-traditional medical care, they're going to have to find someone who does those things.

[CoachWristletJen]

On 8/7/2018 at 12:31 PM, BckpckFullaNinjas said:

“...if Roman Grant were a big weenie...” 

LOVE IT!!

You've made my day. Things start to go south, I’ll say, “if Roman Grant were a big weenie...” and I KNOW I will grin, if not outright laugh!

Thankyou.

At the risk of overkill, I felt inspired...

Edited August 11, 2018 by CoachWristletJen

[RedheadZombie]

21 hours ago, Madtown said:

Sweet baby, I love her little cheeks and smile!

Who does she get the far set eyes from?

[queenanne]

I think Felicity looks impish, little doll.  (Less so with her eyes closed, though.)

[Lady Edith]

On 8/7/2018 at 1:23 PM, Sew Sumi said:

Looks like Jeremy is able to take his classes remotely. 

Not a single Woman in that class. Not. Even. One. 

And the teacher/professor/biblical know-it-all looks like Tim Gunn from afar. 

[RedheadZombie]

2 minutes ago, Lady Edith said:

Not a single Woman in that class. Not. Even. One. 

And the teacher/professor/biblical know-it-all looks like Tim Gunn from afar. 

I wonder how many other students interrupted their learning to take the perfectly choreographed photo of how studious they are. 

[Sew Sumi]

I also wondered whether they were really studying Genesis or if that was Jeremy being cute.

Edited August 11, 2018 by Sew Sumi

[DangerousMinds]

Or thinking he was being cute.

[Sew Sumi]

4 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Or thinking he was being cute.

Yeah, that's more like it.

[Ohiopirate02]

36 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

I wonder how many other students interrupted their learning to take the perfectly choreographed photo of how studious they are. 

I'm sure that is a posed picture on Jeremy's part and the prof is probably just doing the usual first day of class spiel.  Plenty of time to stage the picture and not miss anything. 

[Temperance]

2 hours ago, Lady Edith said:

Not a single Woman in that class. Not. Even. One. 

And the teacher/professor/biblical know-it-all looks like Tim Gunn from afar. 

If I could like this more than once, I would. 

Edited August 11, 2018 by Temperance

[CoachWristletJen]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

Yeah, that's more like it.

He's studying Genesis. They're studying something else.

Perhaps he's just doing Genesis still lifes and a couple of Genesis selfies.

[leighdear]

What I find interesting is the bottle of Shin-kai fountain pen ink sitting on the desk.  It's not cheap ink, and props to Jeremy if he actually uses a real fountain pen instead of a Bic.  That's a serious high-level hipster move, if so.  It takes a bit of practice and can look like hammered crap if you don't have basic skills.  I did calligraphy for years, and know the good stuff.  I'm intrigued.  

[Westiepeach]

5 minutes ago, leighdear said:

What I find interesting is the bottle of Shin-kai fountain pen ink sitting on the desk.  It's not cheap ink, and props to Jeremy if he actually uses a real fountain pen instead of a Bic.  That's a serious high-level hipster move, if so.  It takes a bit of practice and can look like hammered crap if you don't have basic skills.  I did calligraphy for years, and know the good stuff.  I'm intrigued.  

Prop?

[leighdear]

Possibly, but at about $20-$25 per bottle, that's pricey to just pretend with.  And he'd have to know what it was used for.  Seems too convoluted to try & impress, when most people would have no clue what it even was. 

Edited August 11, 2018 by leighdear

[graefin]

5 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

Who does she get the far set eyes from?

There are kids on Jinger's side with this trait (James, Joy--who also resemble cousin Amy). 

[Sew Sumi]

54 minutes ago, leighdear said:

Possibly, but at about $20-$25 per bottle, that's pricey to just pretend with.  And he'd have to know what it was used for.  Seems too convoluted to try & impress, when most people would have no clue what it even was. 

In front of the ink appears to be a pen set case with his name on it. I think he's pretentious enough to have bought the stuff for pictures just like this one.

[RedheadZombie]

1 hour ago, Westiepeach said:

Prop?

Oh, definitely.

[CoachWristletJen]

5 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

Or thinking he was being cute.

Is it just me or is there something about the idea of turning his Bible to Genesis 1:1 on Day 1 of seminary studies that just seems ridiculously cheesy? 

[Jynnan tonnix]

1 hour ago, graefin said:

There are kids on Jinger's side with this trait (James, Joy--who also resemble cousin Amy). 

Even Michelle, for that matter. I think that may be where it trickles down from.

[leighdear]

Out of curiosity, I checked the website for the curriculum, and low & behold, the first class listed is:  Old Testament Studies 1 | BI501 | 3 units

Which funnily enough begins with Genesis......   ;-)

And at $495 per unit, is a nice chunk of change.  I wonder how much somebody is paying for Dillweed's law classes?

Edited August 12, 2018 by leighdear

[lascuba]

23 minutes ago, CoachWristletJen said:

Is it just me or is there something about the idea of turning his Bible to Genesis 1:1 on Day 1 of seminary studies that just seems ridiculously cheesy? 

Everything he does for social media is cheesey. 

[Albanyguy]

11 hours ago, ramble said:

I never heard of anyone consuming prescribed herbs to prepare for labor and delivery.

Hmmmm. They did that to Mia Farrow in Rosemary's Baby. Didn't turn out well.

[BitterApple]

I'm curious as to what the total cost is going to be for Jeremy's program? Normally I don't snark on anyone trying to further their education, I'm just wondering if the expense will pay off in the end. I've seen Jeremy preach and he's like watching paint dry. 

[Sew Sumi]

1 hour ago, CoachWristletJen said:

Is it just me or is there something about the idea of turning his Bible to Genesis 1:1 on Day 1 of seminary studies that just seems ridiculously cheesy? 

That's why we suspect it's a posed composition. ?

[yogi2014L]

On 8/10/2018 at 8:57 AM, Snow Fairy said:

Thank you for the video. It was really sweet. They seem so real, and no stupid home birth with some problem arising.

I teared up a bit (was induced with my second 7 months ago, memories are still fresh)

Talking about herbs, I also drank rapsberry leaves tea and ate dates. My births were both quick, so maybe it really helps

I assumed they were talking about raspberry leaf tea and dates as well. I drank gallons of that damn tea and ate 6 dates a day starting at 36 weeks. I had a fairly quick labor as well. The dates are actually scientifically proven to shorten labor! 

[Barb23]

I think I remember reading there are herbal concoctions  midwives use to slow down the bleeding after the birth. Is that true? 

[Gemma Violet]

10 hours ago, yogi2014L said:

I assumed they were talking about raspberry leaf tea and dates as well. I drank gallons of that damn tea and ate 6 dates a day starting at 36 weeks. I had a fairly quick labor as well. The dates are actually scientifically proven to shorten labor! 

In my mom's day (1940s), the women would use castor oil (from the castor oil plant) which is a laxative, to induce labor.  She was a week overdue and took a dose and went into labor the next day.  Something about when the bowels are stimulated, it gets the contractions going.

ETA:  I'm not endorsing this.

Edited August 12, 2018 by Gemma Violet

[Sew Sumi]

Jilly Muffin dosed herself with castor oil during her labor with Izzy and was roundly criticized for it.

[WalrusGirl]

2 hours ago, Gemma Violet said:

In my mom's day (1940s), the women would use castor oil (from the castor oil plant) which is a laxative, to induce labor.  She was a week overdue and took a dose and went into labor the next day.  Something about when the bowels are stimulated, it gets the contractions going.

 

 

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

Jilly Muffin dosed herself with castor oil during her labor with Izzy and was roundly criticized for it.

My cousin’s midwife (Virginia; no idea what our variety of licensing situations are) had her use a dose (maybe two?) of castor oil to induce when she was a week or two past her due date. This was in the 2000s. I guess if the criteria for success is “labor commenced shortly thereafter,” it worked great for her.*

 

* This paragraph should not be interpreted as my approval. It was none of my business, but the entire cluster*#% struck me as...ill-advised...from the get-go.

 

That’s pretty cool about the dates, though! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21280989/

Edited August 12, 2018 by WalrusGirl

[GeeGolly]

I just watched the videos. Jinger states in the first one, "My doctor and midwife think because my sisters' babies were large we should induce labor". This midwife, lay or not, seemed very knowledgeable and competent.

She definitely delivered in the hospital, by hospital staff. I'm guessing she was seeing the midwife throughout and was passed to an OB in the last couple of days and the midwife stayed on as more of a Doula. 

This midwife might have enough respect from the hospital that she is able to consult with the OBs before they take over. If I were using a midwife, I would want a Nurse Midwife, but I'm sure there are some lay midwives who know their shit, NOT including Jill and her medical thingies.

I think they chose San Antonio because the midwife was competent and there was a hospital near her birthing center. The actual fuzzy filming of the birth was filmed by a family member.

[bythelake]

18 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

Who does she get the far set eyes from?

She resembles Chuck Vuolo, Jeremy’s father.

[Gemma Violet]

7 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Jilly Muffin dosed herself with castor oil during her labor with Izzy and was roundly criticized for it.

Yeah, it was used a lot in the olden days, but it's not really recommended today.

Edited August 12, 2018 by Gemma Violet

[lookeyloo]

I was born a long time ago and my mother drank a beer before nursing me, as advised by her doctor and older women to let down her milk, so they said. Maybe she didn't even need it.  She wasn't a beer drinker as I remember her.  Imagine if that were suggested to any of the Duggar girls.  I'm not advocating or saying it was the right thing to do.  Except I was a "charmingly" plump baby.  translate - fat.

[floridamom]

Regardless if castor oil helps bring on labor and delivery, fine.....if the baby is the CORRECT POSITION to be born. Jill's was transverse AND breech. I don't think one would want to bring on labor with a baby in the wrong position to push. Just a cluster F**K of errors, stubbornness and ignorance for Izzy's birth...poor kid.

[MunichNark]

Felicity is a nice name. I reckon secretly Jeremy would love to be English as it's quite an english name. I could really see him wanting to be smart, educated, ever so slightly above others. He does try SO very hard to come across as that.

Let's hope the wee girl will have better opportunities than her Mother ever had.

[floridamom]

Perhaps Jeremy IS part English..remember he is only a small part Italian...his grandfather Vuolo is full Italian. That's it. Perhaps his mother is part English. No way is Diana Vuolo part Italian. Does any one know what her background is? How about Grandma Vuolo? She said on meatball cooking show, that she was NOT Italian. These recipes she excels at were HER mother-in-law's recipes, who WAS full Italian.