The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

[Temperance]

I was on social media and there was a promotion for a group dedicated to the Duggars (their megafans). They linked an article about Jinjer and the baby. The Duggar fan group post this article with a caption "We can't wait for them to have another one."   The baby is less than a month old. I'm shaking my head at the caption, and I didn't bother with the article or the group. 

[Pinke]

I'm always fascinated by discussions on middle names since it's not a thing in my culture - I'm sure some people do give their child a middle name, but it seems to be the exception rather than the norm. And yes, we do just fine :D

I like my name (Amélie). Unfortunately it gets butchered both by anglohones (''Ah-may-lee'' does not compute) and francophones (I usually get called Émilie - my mom blames the immensely popular 90s TV series ''Les Filles de Caleb'' for that).

I think that's partly why I personally try to make a conscious effort to get/pronounce someone's name right (or as well as I can), especially if it's unusual to my ears.

[Bridget]

15 minutes ago, PinkyCupcake said:

I'm always fascinated by discussions on middle names since it's not a thing in my culture - I'm sure some people do give their child a middle name, but it seems to be the exception rather than the norm. And yes, we do just fine :D

I like my name (Amélie). Unfortunately it gets butchered both by anglohones (''Ah-may-lee'' does not compute) and francophones (I usually get called Émilie - my mom blames the immensely popular 90s TV series ''Les Filles de Caleb'' for that).

I think that's partly why I personally try to make a conscious effort to get/pronounce someone's name right (or as well as I can), especially if it's unusual to my ears.

As someone whose name will never show up on a keychain or shot glass, I am with you. I have a very Irish name (my dad's from the Belfast area), but it's butchered on a daily basis and it drives me up the wall.

After being called the wrong name by so many people for so long, I once respectfully a person who had slaughtered my name HOW they managed to get X out of Y. They admitted that they read the name super fast, which I assumed was what they did. They also realized it wasn't a common name, and didn't want to stumble as they read it for fear of getting it wrong. They admitted to me that they simply took the consonants they recognized and made up their own name. 

Without veering too off topic, I work really hard on day 1 of the year to make sure that my high school students know that they are expected to try sounding out the word out of respect for language and to take risks. They're in school to learn. If they knew everything already, they wouldn't be in my class.

When my students are reading aloud, they occasionally stumble over a name/word they don't know, and that's OK. What's not OK is that their first instinct is to literally say "and whatever that word is" instead of TRYING to pronounce the new word. They don't even try; they've given up already. There's a great fear of "getting things wrong" or "looking like I don't know what I'm saying/reading" among my students, which I do understand because they're teenagers and are busy trying to impress everyone. However, that doesn't mean I give any of them a pass because the word "looks hard."  God forbid they get one syllable wrong or mispronounce something because their fragile egos cannot handle it. They know they can't get away with being lazy or not trying in my class, but it's because I care about them being able to read and speak clearly!

[RedheadZombie]

On July 25, 2018 at 6:23 PM, Lunera said:

Jana probably did go but she and Laura are busy wrangling Spurge, Henry, and Bin. It'll be like that episode where Benessa first visited the Vuolo's and they completely edited out Jana and Laura. 

I wouldn't be surprised if the mean girls just didn't want Jana in their photo shoot. 

[magpye29]

On 8/4/2018 at 3:49 PM, Bridget said:

When my students are reading aloud, they occasionally stumble over a name/word they don't know, and that's OK. What's not OK is that their first instinct is to literally say "and whatever that word is" instead of TRYING to pronounce the new word. They don't even try; they've given up already.

Boy am I familiar with this!  When I tell my students the correct pronunciation of a word, they often just nod and try to go on to the next word, but I never let them do that.  If I have to tell them how to say it, they have to repeat it, sometimes more than once till they get it right.  14% of the 300 students in my school are ELL students, and they're never going to learn if everyone keeps giving them a pass on things with which they're unfamiliar, so I'm quite insistent on this point.  They're only in third grade, and already many of them refuse to try, so I try to make them work it out when I can.

[Reddust]

Good for Jinger, a hospital and an epidural! The birth video is up on the website.

Edited August 6, 2018 by Reddust

[Ijustwantsomechips]

On 8/5/2018 at 2:03 PM, RedheadZombie said:

I wouldn't be surprised if the mean girls just didn't want Jana in their photo shoot. 

I wouldn’t want Jana in my photo shoot. Can you tell I am not Team Jana?

[ginger90]

Jinger and Jeremy’s First Baby Part 1

https://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/counting-on/full-episodes/jinger-jeremys-first-baby-part-1

 

Part 2

https://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/counting-on/full-episodes/jinger-jeremys-first-baby-part-2

[Natalie68]

On 8/2/2018 at 6:31 PM, Loves2Dance said:

Oh my God that is epic! 

All I know about my name is that I was named after a popular porn star from the 80's who did underground stuff with my parents. I was supposed to be a Megan...I was not named Megan. 

This HAS to be a very interesting story!

On 8/2/2018 at 6:58 PM, Jynnan tonnix said:

I have always disliked my name. It's Polish, and while I don't mind the sound of it with my middle name, spoken/pronounced in Polish, I just don't like the sound of it integrated into English, if that makes any sense. It just sounds too choppy. My middle name is Maria, which, in Polish, would be pronounced like MAR-ya, with a rolled "r", but that's almost impossible to insert if you are saying the rest of my name with your mouth set to English...So I don't try, and it just remains as Ma-REE-uh if anyone ever asks.

I think my mom's first/middle name is really pretty...even though it's also Polish, you can pronounce it in English without losing the basic essence of it; Kamila Halina.

I love my MIL's full 1st name:  Elzbieta (I think that is how you spell it).  She goes by Elka which was almost my niece's name.

[BitterApple]

Was Jinger's midwife a CNM? I noticed she was at the hospital with them, but I can't tell whether she had privileges there or was with them in an unofficial capacity.

And yeah, Jessa, great surprise. Showing up on the doorstep of a postpartum woman with your husband and two toddlers in tow. Just what every sleep deprived couple needs. Maybe I'm projecting but I thought Jessa seemed miffed over being left out of the action.

Edited August 6, 2018 by BitterApple

[Jynnan tonnix]

33 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

 

I love my MIL's full 1st name:  Elzbieta (I think that is how you spell it).  She goes by Elka which was almost my niece's name.

Yup, I've known a few Elzbietas (you spelled it right, though in Polish there is a dot over the "z" which gives it the "zh" sound). I've never heard Elka as a nickname (it does follow the standard pattern for diminutive forms, but somehow all the Elzbietas I knew went by the full name), but I like it!

Edited August 6, 2018 by Jynnan tonnix

[zoomama]

33 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Jinger and Jeremy’s First Baby Part 1

https://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/counting-on/full-episodes/jinger-jeremys-first-baby-part-1

 

Part 2

https://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/counting-on/full-episodes/jinger-jeremys-first-baby-part-2

i cant see it. guess i am not of the privileged ones...(said with a smile)

[sheshark]

30 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Was Jinger's midwife a CNM? I noticed she was at the hospital with them, but I can't tell whether she had privileges there or was with them in an unofficial capacity.

And yeah, Jessa, great surprise. Showing up on the doorstep of a postpartum woman with your husband and two toddlers in tow. Just what every sleep deprived couple needs. Maybe I'm projecting but I thought Jessa seemed miffed over being left out of the action.

She is an LM, and a CPM.

[lookeyloo]

I think the midwife's tag said staff.  What a difference from the other births.  Maybe the rest of them will get a clue.  Ha, what am I thinking.

[Ijustwantsomechips]

Can Jana go anywhere without Laura? Laura obviously has no life, but has she no family of her own? I’m starting to think those rumors of the special friend are true.

[lookeyloo]

Just now, Ijustwantsomechips said:

Can Jana go anywhere without Laura? Laura obviously has no life, but has she no family of her own? I’m starting to think those rumors of the special friend are true.

Well, I am having the same thoughts re: special friend.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.  Except in their world.  

[BitterApple]

7 minutes ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

Can Jana go anywhere without Laura? Laura obviously has no life, but has she no family of her own? I’m starting to think those rumors of the special friend are true.

Right? Wasn't Laura originally hired as a tutor/nanny for the younger kids? Why was it necessary for her to go with Jana to San Antonio when Jessa and Michelle were already going to be there? 

I also noticed Jeremy referred to her as "Jana's friend Laura" rather than "Our friend Laura" which indicates she isn't particularly close with them, so what gives?

Edited August 6, 2018 by BitterApple

[SMama]

As usual Jana and Laura did all the work while Jessa and MEchelle were a major inconvenience. But Jessa and Mullet get the photo op. Glad Jeremy’s parents made it, but no picture for them. Good planning on JinJer’s part even though their beliefs are hideous. It shows they care about the safety of both mother and child.

23 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Right? Wasn't Laura originally hired as a tutor/nanny for the younger kids? Why was it necessary for her to go with Jana to San Antonio when Jessa and Michelle were already going to be there?

Because Jessa and Michelle are absolutely useless. One of them helped with Felicity and the other one wrangled Ben, Spurgeon, and Henry. Plus all that cooking and cleaning Jessa and Michelle can’t be bothered doing. I expected better from Jeremy, they really had a full house.

Jessa and Ben invaded the hospital with two toddlers. For me if you weren’t there during conception you have no business in the delivery room. The Seeealds could have waited. And a surprise invasion (sorry can say visit). I’m crankier than usual today. 

Edited August 6, 2018 by SMama

[Jynnan tonnix]

On 8/6/2018 at 6:19 PM, BitterApple said:

Right? Wasn't Laura originally hired as a tutor/nanny for the younger kids? Why was it necessary for her to go with Jana to San Antonio when Jessa and Michelle were already going to be there? 

I also noticed Jeremy referred to her as "Jana's friend Laura" rather than "Our friend Laura" indicating she isn't particularly close with them, so what gives?

I'm enjoying the speculation, though it reminds me a bit of me and my best friend in high school. Even through most of college (different colleges but both in Connecticut, which isn't that big!) neither of us had boyfriends, and we spent a LOT of time together. She even invited me as her +1 to a wedding. We kind of got a kick out of it, and always said that if they ever heard even 10 minutes of our typical conversations, it would lay the gay rumor to rest!

Edited August 9, 2018 by Jynnan tonnix

[sheshark]

Ugh, High-Pitch Michelle.

[Ijustwantsomechips]

15 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Right? Wasn't Laura originally hired as a tutor/nanny for the younger kids? Why was it necessary for her to go with Jana to San Antonio when Jessa and Michelle were already going to be there? 

I also noticed Jeremy referred to her as "Jana's friend Laura" rather than "Our friend Laura" which indicates she isn't particularly close with them, so what gives?

 

8 minutes ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

I'm enjoying the speculation, though it reminds me a bit of me and my best friend in high school. Even through most of college (different colleges but both in Connecticut, which isn't that big!) neither of us had boyfriends, and we spent a LOT of time together. She even invited me as her +1 to a wedding. We kind of got a kick out of it, and always said that if they ever heard even 10 minutes of our typical conversations, it would lay the gay rumor to rest!

I’ve had close buddies and been +1 many times.  But traveling states away to help my friend’s sister and her husband recover from childbirth even though both moms and another sister will be there? Never!

I could care less if she was gay. That’s her business and her right, but I do have a problem with people in the closet who spew hate, bigotry and intolerance.  

[Jynnan tonnix]

2 minutes ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

 

I’ve had close buddies and been +1 many times.  But traveling states away to help my friend’s sister and her husband recover from childbirth even though both moms and another sister will be there? Never!

I could care less if she was gay. That’s her business and her right, but I do have a problem with people in the closet who spew hate, bigotry and intolerance.  

Just in case it might have been misunderstood, I couldn't care less about Jana, etc, either, just that there were rumors around my best friend and me which suggested  that people thought we were a couple, and neither of us was interested in seeing that become some sort of assumption, because, MEN...

[Spencer Hastings]

Jinger seems so much lighter and more open than she did before she got married.  She seems to have found her voice.  I hope no one shames her for getting an epidural or going to a hospital. She made a better choice for her body and came out more unscathed than her sisters.  I’m glad she looked at their fustercluck births and said “pppfftttt.”

I noticed that Jinger made very half hearted attempts to respond to Michelle’s blabbering in the car.  She answered her like I would answer my nephew or one of my students after 30 minutes of non stop talking. “Yup...mhmm...yeeaahhh that’s great....” Michelle also had her bags packed ready to spend the night at the hospital until nobody agreed and she had to resign herself to “or if I don’t stay I’ll juet drive your car back here and sleep.”

Jessa.  You can’t just hop on a plane uninvited when your sister is clearly trying to weed out visitors and have a chill birth.  Jeremy didn’t even seem to want to hand the baby to Jessa, she just sort of took her.  Their relationship is very interesting now that Jinger has moved on. 

Diana Vuolo used the word poignant and I’m ashamed of myself for being impressed.  

Edited August 6, 2018 by Spencer Hastings

[Ijustwantsomechips]

15 minutes ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

Just in case it might have been misunderstood, I couldn't care less about Jana, etc, either, just that there were rumors around my best friend and me which suggested  that people thought we were a couple, and neither of us was interested in seeing that become some sort of assumption, because, MEN...

I got ya Jynnan.  People like to gossip when you don’t live up to their norms. That comment about the bigots was directed at the Duggars and all their hateful kind. Homophobic jerks! 

Laura is just weird to me.  She’s such a tag along. And she never talks.  

Did you notice Jessa didn’t even bother to hug Jeremy?

Edited August 6, 2018 by Ijustwantsomechips

[BitterApple]

7 minutes ago, Spencer Hastings said:

 

Jessa.  You can’t just hop on a plane uninvited when your sister is clearly trying to weed out visitors and have a chill birth.  Jeremy didn’t even seem to want to hand the baby to Jessa, she just sort of took her.  Their relationship is very interesting now that Jinger has moved on. 

 

I can't believe Jessa is so inept at reading social cues. Did it not occur to her that if Jinger wanted her there for the birth she probably would've asked her to come in the first place? It's like she and Bin are so bored with life they jump at whatever distraction is offered, even if it means imposing on others.

[Loves2Dance]

2 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

This HAS to be a very interesting story!

 

I was raised by hippies, very eccentric hippies that probably should have never pro-create. 

 

50 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I can't believe Jessa is so inept at reading social cues. Did it not occur to her that if Jinger wanted her there for the birth she probably would've asked her to come in the first place? It's like she and Bin are so bored with life they jump at whatever distraction is offered, even if it means imposing on others.

Jessa probably can read social cues she just doesn't want to accept them. I thought it was very interesting that Jana was asked over Jessa, but Jinger knows Jana would actually help. I think Jessa was Jinger's fall guy growing up and that is why they were friends. But in adulthood they just don't have a lot in common. Jessa is fine with towing the party line, living near the TTH and relying on dad...Jinger is not. They remind me of my relationship I had with my older sister. Growing up, she was manipulative and strong willed (a la Jessa) and I was the quiet rebellious one who knew how to toe the party line to stay out of trouble (Jinger)...we were superficially close but as kids we didn't know much of a difference so we thought we were close---as adults, we absolutely positively can not stand each other and are no longer on talking terms. Our houses are less than 5 minutes apart and I don't even want to drive by because she makes my blood boil. I can kinda see Jessa and Jinger in the same light---in the TTC being friends was easy and probably made life more bearable, but in the real world? They probably don't have much in common and the cracks are more evident. 

Edited August 6, 2018 by Loves2Dance

[xwordfanatik]

1 hour ago, SMama said:

As usual Jana and Laura did all the work while Jessa and MEchelle were a major inconvenience. But Jessa and Mullet get the photo op. Glad Jeremy’s parents made it, but no picture for them. Good planning on JinJer’s part even though their beliefs are hideous. It shows they care about the safety of both mother and child.

Because Jessa and Michelle are absolutely useless. One of them helped with Felicity and the other one wrangled Ben, Spurgeon, and Henry. Plus all that cooking and cleaning Jessa and Michelle can’t be bothered doing. I expected better from Jeremy, they really had a full house.

Jessa and Ben invaded the hospital with two toddlers. For me if you weren’t there during conception you have no business in the delivery room. The Seeealds could have waited. And a surprise invasion (sorry can say visit). I’m crankier than usual today. 

I couldn't agree more.  Surprise visits aren't my favorite thing.  I don't want to imagine what it would have been like after my daughter's arrival.

Boundaries are a good thing.

[Loves2Dance]

While I will always be in the camp that inducing for size is stupid, I'm glad Jinger saw what her sisters went through and was like, "Yeah...no." Being in a hospital was responsible, but Jeremy I expected better from you! Michelle and Jana (and Laura since they seem to go everywhere together) but you should have ran off Jessa. My first question would have been, "Where is your hotel?" Jessa has become so extra in her family and frankly, it's very off putting. Like, she's hitting Jill hate for me. 

Glad Felicity came uneventfully, but lack of progress means she probably wasn't ready to come. Hopefully next time she doesn't get scared to induce. 

[awaken]

16 minutes ago, Loves2Dance said:

I was raised by hippies, very eccentric hippies that probably should have never pro-create. 

 

Jessa probably can read social cues she just doesn't want to accept them. I thought it was very interesting that Jana showed up instead of Jessa. I think Jessa was Jinger's fall guy growing up and that is why they were friends. But in adulthood they just don't have a lot in common. Jessa is fine with towing the party line, living near the TTH and relying on dad...Jinger is not. They remind me of my relationship I had with my older sister. Growing up, she was manipulative and strong willed (a la Jessa) and I was the quiet rebellious one who knew how to toe the party line to stay out of trouble (Jinger)...we were superficially close but as kids we didn't know much of a difference so we thought we were close---as adults, we absolutely positively can not stand each other and are no longer on talking terms. Our houses are less than 5 minutes apart and I don't even want to drive by because she makes my blood boil. I can kinda see Jessa and Jinger in the same light---in the TTC being friends was easy and probably made life more bearable, but in the real world? They probably don't have much in common and the cracks are more evident. 

 That’s what I was thinking. Growing up, with nothing else to do, and endless hours spent together, they probably were close. But now that Jinger has had the chance to begin to explore her personality, interests, relationships with other people, and live somewhere new, they may find less and less in common. 

[asuwur]

I wouldn't be surprised if Michelle wasn't a full on invite...at least on Jeremy's part. Michelle probably insinuated herself in during Sirens wedding and Jinger kind of went along with it. Jeremy probably didn't want to upset his 9 month preggers bride (because while we can't stand The Mullet; she is still Jinger's mommy) and there you go. Ma and Pa Kettle are master manipulators remember. At least you know Jana provided some help...

As for Jessa et al...dayum. That takes some chutzpah to say the least.

[lascuba]

If Jana and Laura aren't fucking, then things have reached a disturbing level of weird, because who the hell travels to attend a friend's birth? I don't actually think they're gay, but something is seriously up with Laura's dynamic with that family. I'm starting to think there's some agreement with Laura's family to always have her supervised by Michelle or Jana.

Jinger's annoyance with Michelle in the car was fun to watch. She was so over Michelle narrating everything. 

Since TLC was filming, I have to think that Jessa's surprise appearance wasn't much of a surprise to Jinger. At most, Jessa arrived a day early and that was the surprise. This game has been going on too long for everyone not to know the drill. 

[Lunera]

http://www.jingerandjeremy.com/2018/08/swan4kids/

Jeremy and Jinger posted a swan4kids video with baby Felicity. 

[Happyfatchick]

Ewww, that pic with BG is gross!!!  The garish yellow chair, the red dress... makes it take on the creepy vibe of a harem.  Otherwise, it wouldn’t be creepy at all, amiright?

[Lunera]

36 minutes ago, lascuba said:

I don't actually think they're gay, but something is seriously up with Laura's dynamic with that family. I'm starting to think there's some agreement with Laura's family to always have her supervised by Michelle or Jana. 

I think it's the opposite, Boob and Chelle have hired Laura to keep a constant eye on Jana. She's Jana's chaperone and companion, since she isn't allowed to go off on her own and the kids can't be trusted to watch her.

[lascuba]

1 minute ago, Lunera said:

I think it's the opposite, Boob and Chelle have hired Laura to keep a constant eye on Jana. She's Jana's chaperone and companion, since she isn't allowed to go off on her own and the kids can't be trusted to watch her.

That could definitely be it as well. It's just...something is going on there.

Maybe it's as "simple" as JB/M being aware of a problem with how the family is perceived and this is their dumbass solution. The problem being that people think Jana is a slave to the family with no peers in her life unless she's third-wheeling with her married siblings. The solution is Jana's very own BFF/live-in homeschool teacher who goes everywhere with her. And TLC loves this because they know damn good and well what conclusion the internet is going to draw from that and they get the publicity that kind of speculations provides, as well as--if there are any decent people running things at TLC--a good laugh that the Duggars are the subject of the type os speculation that would infuriate them the most. 

[CoachWristletJen]

16 minutes ago, Happyfatchick said:

Ewww, that pic with BG is gross!!!  The garish yellow chair, the red dress... makes it take on the creepy vibe of a harem.  Otherwise, it wouldn’t be creepy at all, amiright?

You are exactly right. It's a lot like a harem. He's like Roman Grant from Big Love if Roman Grant were a complete weenie. Sad to say, I look at Josh and I think... no wonder! 

[louannems]

And then Jessa just had to brag that she was one of the first to hold the baby.  Sure Jessa.  After Jinger Jeremy Michelle Jana Laura Pop Vuolo Mom Vuolo.  You know, people who were actually invited to the birth!

[TigerLily20]

3 hours ago, SMama said:

Jessa and Ben invaded the hospital with two toddlers. For me if you weren’t there during conception you have no business in the delivery room. The Seeealds could have waited. And a surprise invasion (sorry can say visit). I’m crankier than usual today. 

bolding mine, but I have been saying this since I was pregnant with my first child, just glad to see someone who understands lol...  I had started to watch the special but had to stop for dinner and now it's not working.....uggg

[Temperance]

I think Laura is a nanny and tutor to the Duggar children. They have Laura, because the rest of the older girls are married with children of their own and Jana needs help and her younger sisters are too young to be their own tutors. It's summer; home-schooling has wound down and they brought her to help with Jessa's boys. TLC barely acknowledged Laura or Tabitha Paine, when she worked for them. They (TLC) once staged a road trip for Josh and Anna with their first three kids, which they didn't acknowledge Jana was there even though she was. 

TLC and the Duggars need people to believe that the Duggars have no trouble wrangling lots of children either a few little tots or the whole brood and the truth is they rely/get a lot more help dealing with their family. 

As for Jessa at the hospital, it sounds like a TLC plotline. Like most reality tv, it's really staged. 

[DangerousMinds]

Why would Jessa and Bin need so much help with their kids?

[TigerLily20]

Kendra's husband (Joe I think?) looks like a deer in the headlights at the ultrasound lol.....

[Reddust]

Did all the company leave the hotel in San Antonio and go back to Laredo to Jinger and Jeremy's house?

[Ijustwantsomechips]

50 minutes ago, Reddust said:

Did all the company leave the hotel in San Antonio and go back to Laredo to Jinger and Jeremy's house?

I guess we’ll find out the summer of 2020 when they get around tio airing the full episode.  

[Lukeysboat]

On 8/2/2018 at 5:58 PM, sixlets said:

At least I'm not walking around listening to "nobody does it like Sarah Lee".

The slogan is actually, “Nobody doesn’t like Sara Lee.” Maybe that’s not quite as bad. ;)

[madpsych78]

Is it me or has Jinger become more articulate and mature-sounding than her sisters?

[TobyBelle]

I've been off the boards for ages and haven't been following the family as much as I have been. However, I really do like Jeremy and Jinger as a couple so it really ticks me off that he is going to Masters Seminary! Are they really moving to LA? I don't mind looking back in the thread so if anyone can point me around the time of year they went down for a visit I could see how far back to look, I'd really appreciate it!  

[Loves2Dance]

4 minutes ago, TobyBelle said:

I've been off the boards for ages and haven't been following the family as much as I have been. However, I really do like Jeremy and Jinger as a couple so it really ticks me off that he is going to Masters Seminary! Are they really moving to LA? I don't mind looking back in the thread so if anyone can point me around the time of year they went down for a visit I could see how far back to look, I'd really appreciate it!  

Going to Master's Seminary is actually really good for Jeremy long term. As far as moving to LA, that'd be a no. They do offer distance learning and I believe a campus or something in Dallas he could commute to. 

[TobyBelle]

3 minutes ago, Loves2Dance said:

Going to Master's Seminary is actually really good for Jeremy long term. As far as moving to LA, that'd be a no. They do offer distance learning and I believe a campus or something in Dallas he could commute to. 

It isn't that I'm against Jeremy going to seminary, I'm against him going to that one. I'm egalitarian in my view of the husband/wife relationship so Masters Seminary isn't aligned with my views (mainly MacArthur). I had high hopes for them as a couple and for Jinger to be free to explore areas outside the role of wife and mom. I know it's a premature assessment and a reaction to the news, but that was what initially ran through my mind. I haven't had a good impression of some of what comes out of MTS to be honest.  I'm sure this was all discussed before so I wanted to look back at the old postings to see what others have been saying when the news broke out. Thank you so much, @Loves2Dance! :)

[Loves2Dance]

2 minutes ago, TobyBelle said:

It isn't that I'm against Jeremy going to seminary, I'm against him going to that one. I'm egalitarian in my view of the husband/wife relationship so Masters Seminary isn't aligned with my views (mainly MacArthur). I had high hopes for them as a couple and for Jinger to be free to explore areas outside the role of wife and mom. I know it's a premature assessment and a reaction to the news, but that was what initially ran through my mind. I haven't had a good impression of some of what comes out of MTS to be honest.  I'm sure this was all discussed before so I wanted to look back at the old postings to see what others have been saying when the news broke out. Thank you so much, @Loves2Dance! :)

I had to actually google some of that to understand what you meant, but I don't think Masters Seminary is going to change how Jeremy and Jinger view their relationship. For as much as we wanted Jinger to break free, she seems perfectly content staying home, becoming a mom and being on the show a little. I don't think his acceptance was discussed super in depth beyond the envy we expect Derick to feel at Jeremy being accepted to an actual seminary school and isn't using a GFM to pay for it. As for what MTS will do for Jeremy, his preaching speaks for itself and it's not great anyway. 

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21 minutes ago, Loves2Dance said:

I had to actually google some of that to understand what you meant, but I don't think Masters Seminary is going to change how Jeremy and Jinger view their relationship. For as much as we wanted Jinger to break free, she seems perfectly content staying home, becoming a mom and being on the show a little. I don't think his acceptance was discussed super in depth beyond the envy we expect Derick to feel at Jeremy being accepted to an actual seminary school and isn't using a GFM to pay for it. As for what MTS will do for Jeremy, his preaching speaks for itself and it's not great anyway. 

I think that’s why I’m so fascinated by their relationship and I’m rooting for them to be different. I really hate the idea that the women are passed around from male authority to male authority and the husband dictates what they can wear. I hope the real scene after they got married was that Jinger said, “I am going to finally wear whatever I want!” rather than her asking him for permission and Jeremy answering go ahead just because that’s just the relationship they have. I definitely don’t look down on Jinger for her contentment because I love being a wife and mom too.

 I thought Derick had gone to seminary for awhile (online) and I had a feeling it was associated with the one I went to. I’m not conservative at all, and the one I went to is conservative but based on MTS standard, it’s probably considered liberal and unbiblical since it allows women to enroll. 

Haha! I actually caught part of his sermon this past Sunday. Maybe because I caught it in the middle, he was not making sense at all! And he just seemed to read off his notes. I won’t be so critical, though, because everyone has to start off somewhere.