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1 minute ago, questionfear said:

To me this is out and about trying to interfere with other's rights. They're using their position as community leaders to advocate for something that harms others. The fact that they don't specifically state "vote xyz" doesn't change that. 

I get that. 

I have know idea how some of my friends vote. I have know idea what some of my Catholic, et al, friends believe. For me personally there is a line that needs to be crossed. I just don't hate everyone that believes different than me. And actually I've met a few assholes who have similar beliefs to mine, but I don't like them.

But like I said, I get that others feel different.

On these boards if we go by beliefs alone, then it seems to me all the Duggars would be hated equally and that doesn't seem to be the case, so I'm thinking we all have different tolerances of different things.

 

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My push presents after having my kids were my kids. 

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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I get that. 

I have know idea how some of my friends vote. I have know idea what some of my Catholic, et al, friends believe. For me personally there is a line that needs to be crossed. I just don't hate everyone that believes different than me. And actually I've met a few assholes who have similar beliefs to mine, but I don't like them.

But like I said, I get that others feel different.

On these boards if we go by beliefs alone, then it seems to me all the Duggars would be hated equally and that doesn't seem to be the case, so I'm thinking we all have different tolerances of different things.

 

It depends. In an ideal world, no one would be homophobic or racist or transphobic. But if we're breaking down layers of acceptability, JinJer drop considerably for me because of things like that resolution that Jeremy signed, because they're using whatever D-list celebrity they have to promote hatred. 

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GeeGolly

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2 minutes ago, questionfear said:

It depends. In an ideal world, no one would be homophobic or racist or transphobic. But if we're breaking down layers of acceptability, JinJer drop considerably for me because of things like that resolution that Jeremy signed, because they're using whatever D-list celebrity they have to promote hatred. 

From what I understand the statement that was signed wasn't used in a public way to promote hate.

It seems to me, every Duggar and Duggar adjacent have freely shared their hateful beliefs in passive ways, so for me this is no different.

But it also seems many posters feel the same way you do.

quarks

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4 hours ago, Dehumidifier said:

I wonder what kind of retirement vision/plan these influencer people have. Do they contribute to Social Security? An IRA? 

That's a complicated tax question.

Most influencer income is reported on Schedule C, which is subject to self-employment tax - aka, a contribution to Social Security/Medicare. Some influencer income, however, is reported on Schedule E, which is typically not subject to self-employment tax. 

Jinger and Jeremy presumably have an accountant to keep that all straight.

 

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Cinnabon

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5 hours ago, Dehumidifier said:

It relates to the criticism of their book title. When I searched by the title instead of author name there were three books by the same name, using "bright" as an adverb.

Yes, you can find questionable grammar everywhere. I have many, many examples but that’s a whole other conversation that is off topic here.

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emmawoodhouse

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3 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

Yeah, but how much did they actually get in royalties from those books?

They said that at the time of the depositions that they hadn't received any royalties. And given the downward trajectory of sales, they may not have ever received any.

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quarks

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13 minutes ago, Absolom said:

Maybe no royalties, but they were no doubt given an initial payment for writing the book.

That initial payment is royalties - it's an advance on royalties. Writers can receive additional payments if and when a book earns out - that is, the royalty amounts match the advance payments. 

Given that this was Jinger and Jeremy's first book, and that Growing Up Duggar was heavily remaindered, it's quite possible that they didn't receive any payments until either the manuscript was delivered, or until they, the ghostwriter and production staff agreed on final edits and scheduled the book to print.  In addition, Hachette Books typically divides a so-called advance into several payments, some of which are not scheduled to paid until the book is put into production and/or shipped to vendors - and more recently, until six months after vendor shipment. 

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birkenstock

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The ghostwriter, Bethany Mauger, is credited on the book's title page so she was compensated. Mauger also worked with Cyntoia Brown on her autobiography and Diane Latiker (works with at risk youth in Chicago) on her book.  Each have different publishers so she looks to be a freelance ghostwriter.

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Ohiopirate02

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2 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

Meanwhile, what does the ghostwriter get (if anything)?

Ghostwriters are contractors, so they get paid their negotiated fees either upfront or when the manuscript is completed.  I believe they get paid by the publisher for their services.  I also want to say that ghostwriters do not get paid out any royalties after the fact.  Very few books earn out their advance especially the celebrity memoir where ghostwriting is common.  If a book does become a sustained success, it is not because of the work the ghostwriter did.  It is because of other factors including the face of the book doing the heavy lifting of marketing.  

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quarks

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It depends upon the book and the ghostwriter, but since Bethany Mauger is credited on the title page, she almost certainly is on the same advance fee schedule that the Vuolos are and should be receiving royalty payments if the book earns out.

 

2 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

  If a book does become a sustained success, it is not because of the work the ghostwriter did.  It is because of other factors including the face of the book doing the heavy lifting of marketing.  

 

Initial sales, sure. But celebrities usually only spend a week or so marketing any given book, if that. Any sustained success - that is, earning out and earning royalty payments - typically comes from word of mouth, which I think has at least as much to do with the ghostwriter creating words that people enjoyed reading. 

I am not expecting The Hope We Hold to be a sustained, long term success, for the record, although the Amazon sales rankings suggest the book is still selling a few copies each day. 

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Churchhoney

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On 5/18/2022 at 5:58 PM, GeeGolly said:

Okay, yes I remember this. To me it reinforces what they all believe. I thought they were out and about in the community trying to interfere with others' rights.

They can sign whatever they want and preach whatever they want as long as its amongst themselves. I disagree with what a lot of mainstream churches believe and teach too. I just can't drum up a lot of hate for what folks do in the privacy of their home or their house of worship. To each their own.

Start spewing, spouting and hating publicly, then I have a problem.

The thing is, though, they DID spew, spout and hate publicly. The petition was made very very public. But -- it only was able to become as public as a bunch of private citizens can make a statement about ethics and morality without help from the media. 

It was fully intended to be a very public reprimand and warning to every CHristian in the nation who didn't go along with their condemnation of any and all social-justice type activity as an actual damnable personal affront to God. (that clearly was intended to call out many Black church leaders, for example) And MacArthur and his gang did everything they possibly could to disseminate and publicize the petition far and wide. 

There were press releases and a very prominent website and lots of talking it up by the leaders of the plan. They got hundreds of the most major Protestant voices they could find to publicly sign it and pass the word.  There are multiple youtube videos with MacArthur and others talking it up. Many of them talked about it in giant conference centers. In no way was it put it out there as private conversation. 

The originators very much wanted it to become a major rallying point for right-minded Christians nationwide. To that end, they solicited as many signatures as they could get from the most influential people they could find. And thousands of influential Christians did sign it -- publicly on the website (which they tried to thoroughly publicize). 

The only reasons  that it didn't BECOME much of a publicly heard issue is that the media didn't report much on it.  It didn't come equipped with gun-toting pastors or a groundswell of public marching etc. And, it was mostly written in kind of stuffy MacArthur-ish language.   

So it made a faint splash with a small amount of mainstream media coverage. 

Nothing bleeding. No funny costumes.

It was merely a very intense statement from a very large group of religious leaders calling any and all activity aimed at calling out social-justice problems and striving to fix them or even asking for them to be addressed as a direct and very serious sin against God himself. (not exacggerating -- that's exactly what it says)  I consider that a big deal, and I think a lot of people would if they actually heard about it. 

But it's not the kind of thing that "bleeds and leads" the media. It's a mere IDEA, which media doesn't really care for. Even if it's a very intense idea with potentially very large consequences, good or bad. 

So MacArthur and company never got the major media megaphone that they absolutely wanted for their pronouncement -- and that they made no secret of wanting.  And without the megaphone, most people never realized they'd MADE a public statement.

So since they INTENDED this to be very very public, I would never give them a pass by saying "well, they only talked their racist, misogynistic and homophobic talk in private, so it's NBD." They didn't talk in private. 

They fully intended to speak this very very very loudly. They made perfectly plain that this WAS what they intended. And were quite disappointed that their public launch of it fizzled the way it did.      They couldn't control the fact that media outlets weren't interested, no matter what press releases they sent out. 

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GeeGolly

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4 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

The thing is, though, they DID spew, spout and hate publicly. The petition was made very very public. But -- it only was able to become as public as a bunch of private citizens can make a statement about ethics and morality without help from the media. 

It was fully intended to be a very public reprimand and warning to every CHristian in the nation who didn't go along with their condemnation of any and all social-justice type activity as an actual damnable personal affront to God. MacArthur and his gang did everything they possibly could to disseminate and publicize the petition far and wide. 

The only reasons  that it didn't BECOME much of a publicly heard issue is that the media didn't report much on it.  It didn't come equipped with gun-toting pastors or a groundswell of pu8blic marching etc. And, it was mostly written in kind of stuffy MacArthur-ish language.   

So it made a faint splash with a small amount of media coverage. Nothing bleeding. No funny costumes. It was merely a very intense statement from a very large group of religious leaders calling any and all activity aimed at calling out social-justice problems and striving to fix them or even asked for them to be address is a direct sin against God. I consider that a big deal, and I think a lot of people would.

But it's not the kind of thing that "bleeds and leads" the media. It's a mere IDEA, which media doesn't really care for.

So MacArthur and company never got the major media megaphone that they absolutely wanted for their pronouncement -- and that they made no secret of wanting. 

So since they INTENDED this to be very very public, I would never give them a pass by saying "well, they only talked their racist, misogynistic and homophobic talk in private, so it's NBD." 

They fully intended to speak this very very very loudly. They made perfectly plain that this WAS wa they intended. And were quite disappointed that their public launch of it fizzled the way it did.      They couldn't control the fact that media outlets weren't interested.  

So they intended to make their beliefs public? Don't they already do that?

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Thanks for sharing this. I watched the entire thing... longest three hours of my life. No wait, it was only twelve minutes...

Jeremy says LA hasn't been good for their diet. I don't know who "they" are, because he certainly hasn't included Jinger in that statement. 

It may be nitpicky, but what pissed me off the most in his video is that he dooesn't conclude with any sort of thanks to anyone. He doesn't thank the fans for their encouragement, he doesn't give any acknowledgement to mentors along the way, he can't even say a "thank you for your prayers during my time in seminary". 

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laurakaye

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33 minutes ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

Jeremy says LA hasn't been good for their diet. I don't know who "they" are, because he certainly hasn't included Jinger in that statement. 

It may be nitpicky, but what pissed me off the most in his video is that he dooesn't conclude with any sort of thanks to anyone. He doesn't thank the fans for their encouragement, he doesn't give any acknowledgement to mentors along the way, he can't even say a "thank you for your prayers during my time in seminary". 

LA hasn't been good for his diet because he eats out 14 times per week.  Maybe have Jinger put on that apron and whip up some salad once in awhile, Fancy Pants.

Did JereME at least thank his wife for holding down the fort while he golfed, bought shoes, ate donuts and cheeseburgers, posed with homies and studied?

13 minutes ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

Yeah that was me :-)

I love this so much.

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MaryAnneSpier

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28 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

LA hasn't been good for his diet because he eats out 14 times per week.  Maybe have Jinger put on that apron and whip up some salad once in awhile, Fancy Pants.

Did JereME at least thank his wife for holding down the fort while he golfed, bought shoes, ate donuts and cheeseburgers, posed with homies and studied?

I love this so much.

No.  He said not one thank you to his wife.  Not once.  He did make sure to put in a plug for the fried chicken sandwich  place though.  He has his priorities straight, for sure.  

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Churchhoney

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On 5/19/2022 at 12:36 PM, Dehumidifier said:

I wonder what kind of retirement vision/plan these influencer people have. Do they contribute to Social Security? An IRA? 

I think it'd be hard to escape paying self-employment tax (for Social Security/Medicare) for all these years, although I wouldn't put it past Jim Bob to send lawyers/accountants around to everybody with plans to try and avoid it. 

A lot of their earnings have been liable for that tax over the years, like the tv earnings. Any earnings Jer gets from speeches. Generally influencers are considered independent contractors working for the companies they promote. So they're supposed to pay the self employment tax......

So if they're not illegally avoiding those taxes, they should have some accumulated Social Security backup. 

Since you're on your own with IRAs, though, it'd surprise me if Duggars did anything with them. JB's no doubt told them to prefer llcs!.....After all, when you retire you WILL have to pay some income taxes on the IRA money. ..... 

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Churchhoney

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On 5/20/2022 at 7:52 PM, madpsych78 said:

Yeah, but how much did they actually get in royalties from those books?

Not a lot of people sell enough to get royalties these days. But I'm sure they got a reasonable advance on each book. 

They'll only get royalties if the books sell enough to cover their advance....and then sell more. So if the books keep selling, they'll get royalties down the line..... But if I were the Vuolos, I wouldn't bank on it!    Those books don't look like perennial strong sellers to me -- especially since their tv presence is gone....

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Churchhoney

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7 minutes ago, Zella said:

Not on a Roth IRA! Though I imagine the taxes on it when you contribute rules it out for this bunch.

Yeah, I expect JB's accountants and lawyers counsel that both kinds of IRAs are to be avoided! 

Find some other way that might give you NO tax liability EVER! 

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1 hour ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

No.  He said not one thank you to his wife.  Not once.  He did make sure to put in a plug for the fried chicken sandwich  place though.  He has his priorities straight, for sure.  

I have to admit, I am surprised - and I hate that I am surprised.  I actually thought that he might thank his wife simply to pander to her audience a little bit, not because he actually wanted to give credit to anyone other than himself - but he didn't even do that.  Wow, Jeremy.  Congrats - you are an even bigger egotistical selfish jerk than I suspected.  May all your hot chicken be ice cold, your golf balls end up at the bottom of the water hazard, your pen collection leak ink all over your next pair of Nikes, and may Cade stop taking your calls.

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8 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

I have to admit, I am surprised - and I hate that I am surprised.  I actually thought that he might thank his wife simply to pander to her audience a little bit, not because he actually wanted to give credit to anyone other than himself - but he didn't even do that.  Wow, Jeremy.  Congrats - you are an even bigger egotistical selfish jerk than I suspected.  May all your hot chicken be ice cold, your golf balls end up at the bottom of the water hazard, your pen collection leak ink all over your next pair of Nikes, and may Cade stop taking your calls.

And those are all of Jer's worst fears in a nutshell.

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Cinnabon

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On 5/23/2022 at 10:35 AM, MaryAnneSpier said:

Thanks for sharing this. I watched the entire thing... longest three hours of my life. No wait, it was only twelve minutes...

Jeremy says LA hasn't been good for their diet. I don't know who "they" are, because he certainly hasn't included Jinger in that statement. 

It may be nitpicky, but what pissed me off the most in his video is that he dooesn't conclude with any sort of thanks to anyone. He doesn't thank the fans for their encouragement, he doesn't give any acknowledgement to mentors along the way, he can't even say a "thank you for your prayers during my time in seminary". 

Hey Jeremy, I lived in San Francisco during grad school and there was certainly amazing food at every turn. I didn’t get to eat too much of it since I didn’t have much extra $$ because I was paying for school, rent, utilities, transportation etc. 

On 5/23/2022 at 10:35 AM, MaryAnneSpier said:

Thanks for sharing this. I watched the entire thing... longest three hours of my life. No wait, it was only twelve minutes...

Jeremy says LA hasn't been good for their diet. I don't know who "they" are, because he certainly hasn't included Jinger in that statement. 

It may be nitpicky, but what pissed me off the most in his video is that he dooesn't conclude with any sort of thanks to anyone. He doesn't thank the fans for their encouragement, he doesn't give any acknowledgement to mentors along the way, he can't even say a "thank you for your prayers during my time in seminary". 

Or a thank you to whomever gave and continues to give him and his family a free house to live in while he was in school. They would be one of the first people  I thanked!

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Churchhoney

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19 hours ago, laurakaye said:

I have to admit, I am surprised - and I hate that I am surprised.  I actually thought that he might thank his wife simply to pander to her audience a little bit, not because he actually wanted to give credit to anyone other than himself - but he didn't even do that.  Wow, Jeremy.  Congrats - you are an even bigger egotistical selfish jerk than I suspected.  May all your hot chicken be ice cold, your golf balls end up at the bottom of the water hazard, your pen collection leak ink all over your next pair of Nikes, and may Cade stop taking your calls.

He did the same kind of thing in Texas. Being self-centered and ungrateful -- and failing to even pretend othewise -- is pretty much who he is, it seems.

I guess I noticed because I felt he had a crap character early on.....For starters, one of his jobs at the Laredo chuch was to write the website. And the whole time he was there the website had a ton of stuff about him and a paean to his parents -- the most godly people he's ever known (I assume because they gave birth to him). But he had virtually nothing to say about Jingle. And -- the worst thing, to me -- he said absolutely nothing about the other people who did the bulk of the work in the place....No mention of them. No listing of them Definitely no praise or gratitude for them..............

1) he said  more than once -- including on the Roloff's podcast -- that he ran that church singlehandedly, when it was quite clear that it was actually "run" out of the planting church in San Antonio, and several guys preached a whole lot of the sermons because Jer was gone so much;

2) he also said not word one about the other people who worked in the place, EVER, while he was there or when he was saying his goodbye to Texas   -- not the ones who maintained it or the ones who did the weekday congregation meetings -- nobody);

and 3) he didn't produce one public word that I saw -- EVER -- about any gratitude to the guy who, at Chuck V's request. gave Jer the Laredo job when he had zero training and zero experience. Which I think is stunning for somebody who was handed a job and a career when they had no qualifications whatsoever. I think most people would say quite a few public thanks to that person. ... But that apparently never even occurred to JV. (doubt he offered much private gratitude either, but since I can't swear to that...)

So he's got a record on this kind of crap. ..... When people show you who they are, believe them the first time, I guess.....

I suppose Jingle's lucky she was raised by two creeps who see their kids as numbers rather than names and write the same birthday greetings to every kid while signing themselves "Mom and Dad Duggar," because their greetings are aimed at impressing JB and M's adoring fans and not at their children at all ......They gave her low expectations about how people treat you, I imagine. And to be happy in her marriage it seems pretty clear she needs those low expectations.

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laurakaye

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Thank you, @Churchhoney.  I didn't realize Jeremy's raging egomania was there all along.

I wonder what the world must look like to someone like Jeremy, who walks around thinking he is vastly superior to everyone he meets and expecting that people are going to clamor to throw free stuff his way because he is, after all, Jeremy Vuolo.  I wonder why his momma hasn't knocked him down a few pegs but maybe Jeremy's dad has a similar personality and she's just used to it.  Of course, Jinger knows nothing else.  And so far whatever he's doing seems to be working.

I'm sure he knows deep down that he hitched his wagon to Jinger's minor celebrity and now is spending all his time doubling-down on the fact that HE is actually the star, and she is fortunate that he chose her to take along on his rocket-ride to fame.  But he's not a Kardashian, he can't be famous for doing nothing, and if it ever comes to it I hope he's not above getting a real job to support his family.

Also, people with egos this enormous tend to push boundaries because they think they'll never have to face the consequences.  I can see several outcomes for someone like Jeremy, none of them good.

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Thanks, @laurakaye, for your post noting Jeremee's failure to acknowledge any help he received to get his degree. And thanks, @Churchhoney, for that excellent recap showing just how much of a selfish, entitled, ungrateful user and taker he is. World class, IMO.

I'm neither a fan nor a deep hater of Derick. But, for a change of tone from Jeremee on the gratitude issue, here's a screenshot of Derick's IG post last week when he was sworn in as a lawyer. 

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EDITED MUCH LATER TO ADD: @Tuxcat has posted below, an analysis of what Jeremy posted that isn't as bad as I have characterized. As much as it irritates me to have to dial back any criticism of Jeremee, I hereby say that I misunderstood what his post was about. It wasn't an "I'm celebrating MY graduation!" thing but an "I got the piece of paper but I still have a lot of work to do and don't know very much and [insert theological deets here]." Mea culpa for not independently checking the material before I ranted.

And yeah, I don't trust or believe Jeremee. But still. Sigh.

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Tuxcat

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I'm not fan of Jeremy. I find him swarmy and condescending - no better or worse than Derrick. Both only a couple of rings above JB in my most humble opinion. But I also just watched that video and I think the context has been skewed a bit here.

It wasn't a "I couldn't have done without me" post. In fact he starts out the video by saying that he isn't finished with school and that it felt weird to graduate even though he still had many papers due - because he's in the program that extends past this point. So it was not like the final cap - or the pinnacle of achievement  -  like Derrick. 

His video was sharing lessons/reflections learned so far from his teachers and peers at seminary. If I believed him, they are good lessons to share.

#1  Holistic Living - there is value in simplicity and taking a holistic lens to Christian life. He is sort of rejecting the idea of pulpit elitism and a "holier than thou" mindset as he sees the glory of God in all aspects of life - enjoying the simple mundane gifts as well as how God walks through human trials...  He does mention Jinger in this section

#2 Theological generosity  - you realize while in seminary how much you actually don't know. He's been humbled and broken and has been taught that he has a long way to go. (this I agree with!). And in recognizing that he is trying to extend that same grace with others by recognizing that everyone is on their own journey. Looking for grace and generosity in other views vs. criticizing them.

#3 Sola Scriptura - not teaching opinion. Not offering his interpretative lens. Instead he seeks to let the scripture speak its own truth. Leave opinion out of the pulpit. Appreciating diversity and different convictions. His (the preachers) way should not matter. 

#4 Christ is All -  a theme throughout every class. The lesson was applied during the graduation too. He told a story about DJ, who was a man in his 60s who was struggling with his health during seminary studies alongside them. DJ walked across the stage at graduation- and passed out - and died! The message -  DJ was living undistracted and was set on serving the Lord and letting the Lord lead (and abandoning his previous job as a professor). DJ said Christ was tracking him down and was responsible for everything in life (and now death). 

So really the whole video is actually not about Jeremy and how he graduated. It would have been weird to thank people since the journey of learning he says is  not his accomplishment -  but rather these are all just  lessons from Christ. He is still learning.

I don't believe Jeremy. I find him fake. Not genuine and a mouthpiece. If he does believe what he said (fairly eloquently TBH) it would be a nice thing. I hope seminary does indeed break him down some more.

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louannems

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On 5/18/2022 at 6:10 PM, Absolom said:

I'm not saying they film for 80 hours to get an episode.  It takes a lot more time than just the filming.  Figure it takes a minimum of three to four times as long to get all the preliminaries done and the retakes as what we see on TV.  As you say the Vuolos are usually not an entire episode so they would have less time expenditure.  

On 5/18/2022 at 6:10 PM, Absolom said:

I'm not saying they film for 80 hours to get an episode.  It takes a lot more time than just the filming.  Figure it takes a minimum of three to four times as long to get all the preliminaries done and the retakes as what we see on TV.  As you say the Vuolos are usually not an entire episode so they would have less time expenditure.  

I remember reading the book that the Duggar girls “wrote”.  Someone asked Jana the question of how could she stand being filmed all day, every day.

She answered that they were only filmed 3 to 4 days per week for 3 to 4 hours per day.

And that was during their 19 KAC heyday of lots of episodes per season.

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Minivanessa

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28 minutes ago, Absolom said:

That was the Jim Bob Duggar party line he put out.

I think that for a long time, everything the kids said or "wrote," was 100% the JB party line.

He lost his iron control over the adult/married kids bit by bit (exception to the "bit by bit": the blowup with the Dillards). However, most of them still haven't deviated much from the JB party line - ignoring fashion choices which IMO aren't as big a deal as some people think.

But IMO Josh's trial, conviction, and sentencing moved some of them farther away from the party line, at least on that subject. 

OTOH JB will always have Jessa and Jana, who will forever be dependable parrots for whatever he wants them to say. 

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Ohiopirate02

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23 minutes ago, Absolom said:

That was the Jim Bob Duggar party line he put out.

I think that's the standard response anyone who films on reality shows gives.  The Bravo Housewives would give the same response.  Filming is supposed to be effortless where the cameras "just happen" to be there filming scenes that "just naturally" happen in their lives.  They leave out the fact that a single dinner may last 6+ hours with the crew requesting the subjects to repeat their conversations so they can get another angle.  

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1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I think that's the standard response anyone who films on reality shows gives.  The Bravo Housewives would give the same response.  Filming is supposed to be effortless where the cameras "just happen" to be there filming scenes that "just naturally" happen in their lives.  They leave out the fact that a single dinner may last 6+ hours with the crew requesting the subjects to repeat their conversations so they can get another angle.  

I think that's true now, but the early years of 19 kids were very boring and dull. I think they really did just kind of follow them along at home and ask a kid a question here and there. I think most of the work went into editing whatever they got on film and then maybe doing a couple short THs with JB & M that matched the footage. It did eventually change though.

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1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I think that's true now, but the early years of 19 kids were very boring and dull. I think they really did just kind of follow them along at home and ask a kid a question here and there. I think most of the work went into editing whatever they got on film and then maybe doing a couple short THs with JB & M that matched the footage. It did eventually change though.

In the early years, Boobchelle went to San Francisco. They had an IBLP speaking engagement in the Valley (Modesto, IIRC, it's been almost 15 years). They went to a head shop, and Boob marveled over the pipes and other paraphernalia. 😂 They bought a boho skirt for Joy.

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cmr2014

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20 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I think that's true now, but the early years of 19 kids were very boring and dull. I think they really did just kind of follow them along at home and ask a kid a question here and there. I think most of the work went into editing whatever they got on film and then maybe doing a couple short THs with JB & M that matched the footage. It did eventually change though.

You forgot to mention that the later years of 19K&C were also very boring -- also, Counting On was also very boring. . .

My personal opinion is that the shows were less scripted than some "reality" shows simply because the bar was set very low. The producers weren't really trying to gin up conflict, and I think they used the TH's to try to goad the kids into saying "cute" things.

The days were probably very long with setup and marking, etc., but they may have only filmed for a few hours. Since no one had anywhere to go, or anything to do, anyway, it probably wasn't that time consuming for the kids.

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19 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

In the early years, Boobchelle went to San Francisco. They had an IBLP speaking engagement in the Valley (Modesto, IIRC, it's been almost 15 years). They went to a head shop, and Boob marveled over the pipes and other paraphernalia. 😂 They bought a boho skirt for Joy.

This sounds like the stuff of legend.  Cannot believe I've never heard about this before!

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