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Cinnabon

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2 hours ago, xwordfanatik said:

Why is Gabby wearing the lacy robe thing?  To a fair?  Is PAC not allowing her to show her legs?

Aunt Cade is still as punchable as ever.  So is JereME, Mr. Homeboy.  Yuck.

Maybe she’s wearing the robe because she’s pregnant? Seems a bit early for that but who knows. Cade’s making sure to keep her pregnant and in her place as much as possible. 

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My push presents after having my kids were my kids. 

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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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3 hours ago, xwordfanatik said:

Why is Gabby wearing the lacy robe thing?  To a fair?  Is PAC not allowing her to show her legs?

Aunt Cade is still as punchable as ever.  So is JereME, Mr. Homeboy.  Yuck.

I took it she was one of the performers at the fair, and that's her stage outfit. Aunt Cade has on the same outfit as the picture with the guitar.
And yes, yuck to the keep-a-grip-on-mah-property pose

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SnapHappy

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16 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Nice guitar Gabby bought him. 🙄

He actually had that guitar when he started Idol.  He barely knew Gabby then, much less got guitar gifts from her.  

Here he is with it over 2 years before Idol.  

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=615872418551087&set=pb.100044602052402.-2207520000..

 

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22 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I love Gabby’s music.  Fundie?  Never heard that.  Here’s one of her bigger hits. It’s not one of my favorites.  
 

 

I can understand about half the words. The music seems louder than her voice and she sounds muffled but lately I have been listening to acapella so that may have something to do with my problem. Although that is one reason I do not like hard rock or opera the music overwhelms the singers.

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2 hours ago, SnapHappy said:

He actually had that guitar when he started Idol.  He barely knew Gabby then, much less got guitar gifts from her.  

Here he is with it over 2 years before Idol.  

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=615872418551087&set=pb.100044602052402.-2207520000..

 

Well, good for him. But he's still riding Gabby's coattails. He should be home doing the housework, cooking, and child care. I can't believe Gabby doesn't have help. 

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Cinnabon

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47 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I love Gabby’s music.  Fundie?  Never heard that.  Here’s one of her bigger hits. It’s not one of my favorites.  
 

 

She was a “mentor” on American Idol a few weeks ago (my mom watches it). The contestants she mentored seemed to like her, but I kept wondering what they would think if they knew how hateful and bigoted she is. Some contestants are gay and belong to other groups her cult wants to marginalize..

2 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Well, good for him. But he's still riding Gabby's coattails. He should be home doing the housework, cooking, and child care. I can't believe Gabby doesn't have help. 

Yep, she may not have paid for that guitar, but it’s more than likely that she pays for the bulk of their household expenses, while also being expected to be the primary caregiver of their child. 

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Zella

Zella

Here's the petition we were discussing in the other thread. Jeremy wasn't just a signer but one of the initial signers. 

I think one of the issues with Jeremy is a lot of people have in the past tried to hand-wave away his affiliation with MacArthur as "Oh he doesn't really believe those things--he's just leeching off the old man." And I find that problematic because to me all evidence suggests that Jeremy really does believe the most hateful things that MacArthur teaches. He keeps quiet about it because he doesn't want to lose business deals, but I don't think that doesn't mean he isn't really okay with these bigoted ideas being used to dismantle other people's freedoms or rights. The petition itself, per its own stated goal, is about counteracting "dangerous" ideas in churches and society. 

He just doesn't want to own up to it because it will inconvenience him. He may not be as dangerous as a more outspoken person, but I think that still makes him pretty spineless and despicable. 

https://statementonsocialjustice.com/

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

1 minute ago, Zella said:

Here's the petition we were discussing in the other thread. Jeremy wasn't just a signer but one of the initial signers. 

I think one of the issues with Jeremy is a lot of people have in the past tried to hand-wave away his affiliation with MacArthur as "Oh he doesn't really believe those things--he's just leeching off the old man." And I find that problematic because to me all evidence suggests that Jeremy really does believe the most hateful things that MacArthur teaches. He keeps quiet about it because he doesn't want to lose business deals, but I don't think that doesn't mean he isn't really okay with these bigoted ideas being used to dismantle other people's freedoms or rights. The petition itself, per its own stated goal, is about counteracting "dangerous" ideas in churches and society. 

He just doesn't want to own up to it because it will inconvenience him. He may not be as dangerous as a more outspoken person, but I think that still makes him pretty spineless and despicable. 

https://statementonsocialjustice.com/

Okay, yes I remember this. To me it reinforces what they all believe. I thought they were out and about in the community trying to interfere with others' rights.

They can sign whatever they want and preach whatever they want as long as its amongst themselves. I disagree with what a lot of mainstream churches believe and teach too. I just can't drum up a lot of hate for what folks do in the privacy of their home or their house of worship. To each their own.

Start spewing, spouting and hating publicly, then I have a problem.

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Zella

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4 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Okay, yes I remember this. To me it reinforces what they all believe. I thought they were out and about in the community trying to interfere with others' rights.

They can sign whatever they want and preach whatever they want as long as its amongst themselves. I disagree with what a lot of mainstream churches believe and teach too. I just can't drum up a lot of hate for what folks do in the privacy of their home or their house of worship. To each their own.

Start spewing, spouting and hating publicly, then I have a problem.

I can understand that. My biggest issue is the narrative that seems to have died down fortunately that Jeremy is somehow just going along to get along and get freebies and in no way believes anything of the sort. 

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GeeGolly

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6 minutes ago, Zella said:

I can understand that. My biggest issue is the narrative that seems to have died down fortunately that Jeremy is somehow just going along to get along and get freebies and in no way believes anything of the sort. 

I think I gave Jeremy the benefit of the doubt initially, but I do believe he believes what he signed. How that looks in his day to day life or marriage though, is a mystery to me.

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What interested me from the deposition was Jeremy saying he made "nothing" in 2020. I thought he worked in Mac Daddy''s inner sanctum doing lord knows what after class. That was all voluntary?

So he's saying to that they lived off of Jinger's SM earnings until the book came out last year? What about the podcast? Their sad hats and mugs? And most glaring was the proof that they weren't compensated for their appearances on CO. 

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Zella

Zella

2 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

What interested me from the deposition was Jeremy saying he made "nothing" in 2020. I thought he worked in Mac Daddy''s inner sanctum doing lord knows what after class. 

So he's saying to that they lived off of Jinger's SM earnings until the book came out last year? What about the podcast? Their sad hats and mugs? And most glaring was the proof that they weren't compensated for their appearances on CO. 

He seems pretty cagey about it. LOL

At one point, he says his preaching is volunteer, but then he says this magnificence of vagueness: “Since moving to California, because I've taken on a different role with, you know, where I'm not pastoring full time - an assistant job isn't like, you know, great pay or whatever."

I can't tell if he's insinuating he has some sort of stipend that is much less than he made in Texas or if he's just blabbering and literally makes no money.

He then says that they make very little from the show, about $2-3,000 per episode. He makes a weird comparison to working for McDonald's in relation to it that I really don't understand. 

But yes reading between the lines, it does seem like Jinger is the one who brings home the bacon. Or the majority of the bacon. 

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GeeGolly

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4 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

What interested me from the deposition was Jeremy saying he made "nothing" in 2020. I thought he worked in Mac Daddy''s inner sanctum doing lord knows what after class. 

So he's saying to that they lived off of Jinger's SM earnings until the book came out last year? What about the podcast? Their sad hats and mugs? And most glaring was the proof that they weren't compensated for their appearances on CO. 

I can't find the article - I thought Jeremy said they were paid from the show.

I wonder if Jeremy's work at the school goes toward his tuition.

1 minute ago, Zella said:

He seems pretty cagey about it. LOL

At one point, he says his preaching is volunteer, but then he says this magnificence of vagueness: “Since moving to California, because I've taken on a different role with, you know, where I'm not pastoring full time - an assistant job isn't like, you know, great pay or whatever."

I can't tell if he's insinuating he has some sort of stipend that is much less than he made in Texas or if he's just blabbering and literally makes no money.

He then says that they make very little from the show, about $2-3,000 per episode. He makes a weird comparison to working for McDonald's in relation to it that I really don't understand. 

But yes reading between the lines, it does seem like Jinger is the one who brings home the bacon. Or the majority of the bacon. 

Yes! He sounded very embarrassed not to be the bread winner.

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emmawoodhouse

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3 minutes ago, Zella said:

He seems pretty cagey about it. LOL

At one point, he says his preaching is volunteer, but then he says this magnificence of vagueness: “Since moving to California, because I've taken on a different role with, you know, where I'm not pastoring full time - an assistant job isn't like, you know, great pay or whatever."

I can't tell if he's insinuating he has some sort of stipend that is much less than he made in Texas or if he's just blabbering and literally makes no money.

He then says that they make very little from the show, about $2-3,000 per episode. He makes a weird comparison to working for McDonald's in relation to it that I really don't understand. 

But yes reading between the lines, it does seem like Jinger is the one who brings home the bacon. Or the majority of the bacon. 

Oh, I missed the part where he says they were compensated for CO. But since they weren't on every episode, and they were making far fewer episodes by 2020, that wasn't much money.

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Zella

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For reference, here's the article. I wish I could find the actual depositions and not rely on The Sun, that paragon of journalistic virtue. LOL

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/18599926/jill-jessa-jinger-joy-anna-duggar-salaries-revealed/

3 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I wonder if Jeremy's work at the school goes toward his tuition.

That's certainly possible! When I had my assistantship, my tuition was completely covered, and I got a small stipend that I was able to live on in genteel poverty. LOL Though I was supporting only moi and an elderly Chihuahua, not a family of 4. But it's possible that the seminary isn't super generous, especially if he's already getting a free place to stay as well. 

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1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

Whoever was doing the questioning was leading them every step of the way. Can't their lawyers object to that?

I defer to any of our lawyers on this, of course, but my understanding is that's okay in a deposition, and they're a little more no-holds barred than what is usually seen in court. I'm really wondering how well any of the daughters were prepped for what to expect in a deposition and if they also realized that their testimony there would become public record eventually. 

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21 minutes ago, babyhouseman said:

While looking for the Sun article about finances, I found this

Jinger Duggar’s parents Jim Bob & Michelle CONFRONTED her about sexy new style, husband Jeremy claims in court testimony

Reminds me of the song, "I'm Too Sexy."

Is this why Jinger was crying when talking to Michelle about wearing pants? Then Michelle lied through her teeth when she said she didn’t mind. Just another fundie lying for sport. 

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52 minutes ago, SMama said:

Is this why Jinger was crying when talking to Michelle about wearing pants? Then Michelle lied through her teeth when she said she didn’t mind. Just another fundie lying for sport. 

Despite what he's previously said, Boob doesn't willingly surrender his headship over his daughters.

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It takes many, many hours of "work" to get 42 minutes (one hour) of TV.  Fictional shows work an average of 8 12 to 16 hour days and longer to get each episode.  Even reality shows can involve multiple takes plus there is all the set up and take down.  They may not be in front of the camera the whole time, but they must be present.  There is also hair and make up and clothing selection.  Either they have to do it or someone comes in to do it or assist plus transportation time to the whatever they're filming.  It isn't like the crew shows up at 9 AM and immediately begins filming whatever you were normally going to do that day and at 5 PM they depart.  It's planned out, set up, reviewed, and yes even scripted.  The reality shows employ writers who provide if not exact dialog scene pages to be followed.  I remember one of Honey Boo Boo's complaints being having to memorize and yell the suggested "cute expressions" the writers came up with for her.  

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GeeGolly

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1 minute ago, Absolom said:

It takes many, many hours of "work" to get 42 minutes (one hour) of TV.  Fictional shows work an average of 8 12 to 16 hour days and longer to get each episode.  Even reality shows can involve multiple takes plus there is all the set up and take down.  They may not be in front of the camera the whole time, but they must be present.  There is also hair and make up and clothing selection.  Either they have to do it or someone comes in to do it or assist plus transportation time to the whatever they're filming.  It isn't like the crew shows up at 9 AM and immediately begins filming whatever you were normally going to do that day and at 5 PM they depart.  It's planned out, set up, reviewed, and yes even scripted.  The reality shows employ writers who provide if not exact dialog scene pages to be followed.  I remember one of Honey Boo Boo's complaints being having to memorize and yell the suggested "cute expressions" the writers came up with for her.  

For sure. I remember when Michelle said they filmed three days a week to get an episode for 19 Kids. And I'm sure when they were filming only the Vuolos (due to location), they followed them around quite a bit, but the episodes very rarely had only one storyline, so I'm still calling bullshit on the Vuolos filming for 80 hours for an episode.

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Absolom

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I'm not saying they film for 80 hours to get an episode.  It takes a lot more time than just the filming.  Figure it takes a minimum of three to four times as long to get all the preliminaries done and the retakes as what we see on TV.  As you say the Vuolos are usually not an entire episode so they would have less time expenditure.  

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Dehumidifier

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Whaddaya know? I was just leafing through the May 2022 edition of Book Page, the magazine I picked up in the library, and this was one of the books featured:

https://www.amazon.com/Shine-Bright-Personal-History-Black/dp/0593132718/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1384KW3GTD3JZ&keywords=danyel+smith&qid=1652925745&sprefix=danyel+smith%2Caps%2C58&sr=8-1

Shine Bright: A Very Personal History of Black Women in Pop Hardcover – April 19, 2022

by Danyel Smith.

 

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Cinnabon

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6 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Okay, yes I remember this. To me it reinforces what they all believe. I thought they were out and about in the community trying to interfere with others' rights.

They can sign whatever they want and preach whatever they want as long as its amongst themselves. I disagree with what a lot of mainstream churches believe and teach too. I just can't drum up a lot of hate for what folks do in the privacy of their home or their house of worship. To each their own.

Start spewing, spouting and hating publicly, then I have a problem.

Exactly. That’s what many of their ilk don’t seem to understand. Most of us don’t care what anyone else does as long as it doesn’t take away from others’ rights. 

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Cinnabon

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5 hours ago, Zella said:

He seems pretty cagey about it. LOL

At one point, he says his preaching is volunteer, but then he says this magnificence of vagueness: “Since moving to California, because I've taken on a different role with, you know, where I'm not pastoring full time - an assistant job isn't like, you know, great pay or whatever."

I can't tell if he's insinuating he has some sort of stipend that is much less than he made in Texas or if he's just blabbering and literally makes no money.

He then says that they make very little from the show, about $2-3,000 per episode. He makes a weird comparison to working for McDonald's in relation to it that I really don't understand. 

But yes reading between the lines, it does seem like Jinger is the one who brings home the bacon. Or the majority of the bacon. 

He sure made a good business decision when he decided to marry Jinger. Sounds like he’d be destitute without her, lol.

2 hours ago, Dehumidifier said:

Whaddaya know? I was just leafing through the May 2022 edition of Book Page, the magazine I picked up in the library, and this was one of the books featured:

https://www.amazon.com/Shine-Bright-Personal-History-Black/dp/0593132718/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1384KW3GTD3JZ&keywords=danyel+smith&qid=1652925745&sprefix=danyel+smith%2Caps%2C58&sr=8-1

Shine Bright: A Very Personal History of Black Women in Pop Hardcover – April 19, 2022

by Danyel Smith.

 

How does this relate to their depositions?

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GeeGolly

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I see nothing wrong with Gabby, Jinger or Jill being the bread winners as I think we have moved past that as a society. I do have a problem if the bulk of the money is always spent on the husband chasing dreams though. Or the husband is taking credit for income they don't have or like in Derick's case, implying he went to school for free.

It all doesn't seem to jibe with their belief system though.

 

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10 hours ago, iwantcookies said:

Birds of a feather flock together aka 

Jeremy and Cade are the same. Mooching off their wives fame and $. 

 

While making sure they're wearing the latest fresh hot kicks and posing with the "this little lady is MINE" hand-on-elbow thing and smiling through gritted teeth and desperately trying to stay more relevant than their womenfolk.

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I don't know anything about how monetized SM works, but how is it possible that Jinger actually made about 3x more than what Jessa made and 10x more than what Jill made in the same time period?

Does anyone think this is accurate given what we know about their SM activity? It would seem to me that Jessa and Jill were at least as active, if not more active, than Jinger was, Jessa has twice as many Insta followers as Jinger, and also has her YouTube channel where she posts relatively prolifically. Was Jinger just shilling that many more products (or more successful at doing so)? I find this puzzling.

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cmr2014

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23 minutes ago, graefin said:

I don't know anything about how monetized SM works, but how is it possible that Jinger actually made about 3x more than what Jessa made and 10x more than what Jill made in the same time period?

Does anyone think this is accurate given what we know about their SM activity? It would seem to me that Jessa and Jill were at least as active, if not more active, than Jinger was, Jessa has twice as many Insta followers as Jinger, and also has her YouTube channel where she posts relatively prolifically. Was Jinger just shilling that many more products (or more successful at doing so)? I find this puzzling.

Jinger mentions that she was working with an agency of some kind. It wouldn't surprise me at all if working with a reputable agency and having a clear plan made a huge difference in compensation. The agency can negotiate better rates, and Jinger states that she makes x number of posts per month while the rest of them just haphazardly put out ridiculous posts.

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1 minute ago, cmr2014 said:

Jinger mentions that she was working with an agency of some kind. It wouldn't surprise me at all if working with a reputable agency and having a clear plan made a huge difference in compensation. The agency can negotiate better rates, and Jinger states that she makes x number of posts per month while the rest of them just haphazardly put out ridiculous posts.

That makes sense. And also - Jinger may have just pulled a number out of her head when asked the question.

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Dehumidifier

Dehumidifier

12 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

He sure made a good business decision when he decided to marry Jinger. Sounds like he’d be destitute without her, lol.

How does this relate to their depositions?

It relates to the criticism of their book title. When I searched by the title instead of author name there were three books by the same name, using "bright" as an adverb.

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iwantcookies

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7 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I see nothing wrong with Gabby, Jinger or Jill being the bread winners as I think we have moved past that as a society. I do have a problem if the bulk of the money is always spent on the husband chasing dreams though. Or the husband is taking credit for income they don't have or like in Derick's case, implying he went to school for free.

It all doesn't seem to jibe with their belief system though.

 

What I see wrong is that Jeremy is controlling the family finances when he isn’t contributing much $. What kind of a headship is he if he is not bringing home $?

His little woman knows her place while being the one with $. 

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cmr2014

cmr2014

47 minutes ago, graefin said:

I don't know anything about how monetized SM works, but how is it possible that Jinger actually made about 3x more than what Jessa made and 10x more than what Jill made in the same time period?

Does anyone think this is accurate given what we know about their SM activity? It would seem to me that Jessa and Jill were at least as active, if not more active, than Jinger was, Jessa has twice as many Insta followers as Jinger, and also has her YouTube channel where she posts relatively prolifically. Was Jinger just shilling that many more products (or more successful at doing so)? I find this puzzling.

Also, as we've discussed on their respective threads, they just don't really seem to get the point of the sponsorships.

Joy mentions something like sometimes she's "just dropped," as if there's no imaginable explanation.

I think that in their minds, the only reason they would be dropped because their "image isn't a good fit" is because of the release of the InTouch article. It doesn't even cross their minds that companies don't want to be associated with bigots and cult members.

It also doesn't seem to occur to them that they might be dropped because they just suck at it. Jill puts on her Citrus & Lemon clothes, takes a photo of herself squinting into the sun, and then takes them off. We don't ever see Jill living the life of a young wife/mother in her modest, yet stylish and comfortable C&L clothes. Joy puts on ridiculous fake eyelashes, takes a photo, and then takes them off. She could be posting about all kinds of items that actually fit her lifestyle (children's clothes, camping gear, etc.), but instead she posts about something that is so far out of her comfort zone that she can't even pretend that she'll ever put them on again.

I'm sure, though, that whenever they lose a sponsorship, JB rages about how much they are discriminated against because they're Christian, and how they're losing their incomes because of InTouch (not Josh).

 

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questionfear

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20 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Okay, yes I remember this. To me it reinforces what they all believe. I thought they were out and about in the community trying to interfere with others' rights.

They can sign whatever they want and preach whatever they want as long as its amongst themselves. I disagree with what a lot of mainstream churches believe and teach too. I just can't drum up a lot of hate for what folks do in the privacy of their home or their house of worship. To each their own.

Start spewing, spouting and hating publicly, then I have a problem.

To me this is out and about trying to interfere with other's rights. They're using their position as community leaders to advocate for something that harms others. The fact that they don't specifically state "vote xyz" doesn't change that. 

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