S08.E07: Miami Spice

[Bronzedog]

Phaedra can take her fat ass right off of this show with that "white women in suburbia who get scared" bullshit.

Yes!! I can't like this enough!

[swankie]

I'm annoyed that THOT is thrown around so frequently and Porsha seems to be okay with it.

 

 

To me it is in the same realm as them calling each other bitches.  If it's done in fun within your own circle, and you don't have a problem with it, I don't see a problem with it.  Of course, it does become a problem when someone like Cynthia takes it personally, but all in all, if Porsha isn't insulted by being called a THOT, it doesn't bother me at all.

[WireWrap]

I found it weird that no one went to the ER with Tammy and then no one expected her to return to the house when she was released! All of her things were at the house, clothes/shoes/purse/ID, so where did they expect her to go? LOL.

[SnarkKitty]

Exactly. If I was actually afraid of someone, I would go into my room until their relative (Tammy) escorted them out. There is no way I would poke The bear as they were literally walking out the front door. Kenya was just being messy as usual. Obviously not excusing Glen's crazy behavior but without Kenya's provocation the incident would have never gone there.

 

No, without Glen being batshit the incident would never have gone there. He was two seconds off starting some shit with Kandi because he didn't appreciate her "attitude" behind his congratulations! How is anyone else responsible for him being so aggro behind a simple comment of "you're making me uncomfortable?" None of that correlates to a threatening "I'm not playing with you, little bitch" and approach. Not even a little bit.

 

The episode repeat is on now and while Tammy was trying (unsuccessfully) to get them to leave -  they were actually not at the door, but in the living room Kim was using as a bedroom right off of the pool - Glen turns and actually ASKS Kenya "What's that for?" (having to leave). And she calmly says she's been trying to talk to him all day, but he's been acting weird and she and others are uncomfortable, and just want him to leave.

 

Now, if we want to talk INSTIGATING THE SITUATION, right here Phaedra adds fuel to the fire snitting "You've never made ME feel uncomfortable," followed by Sheree echoing it. That's when Glen seems to really get turnt and starts approaching Kenya, cursing and threatening. So is it their fault he reacted like a lunatic?

[Watermelon]

How was his behavior Kenya's fault?

In your next post, you say he had a gun on him and that he's a thug.

I don't understand, which is it?

Charma's talking about the other women's thought process. She doesn't think it's Kenya's fault.

To me it is in the same realm as them calling each other bitches.  If it's done in fun within your own circle, and you don't have a problem with it, I don't see a problem with it.  Of course, it does become a problem when someone like Cynthia takes it personally, but all in all, if Porsha isn't insulted by being called a THOT, it doesn't bother me at all.

It's all in the spirit of the words.  It's obvious some really consider Porsha a hoe and that sucks. She still seems like a good time to me.

[Chrissytd]

Kenya was right for kicking him out. Glen was already on 10 and combine that with the drinking going on, it was bound to go left.

 

Phaedra was lowdown for bringing up Michael Brown. 

 

I don't understand how Kim can blame Kenya when she herself felt uncomfortable with Glen around the group.

 

Useless tidbit, Glen is the former stepson of Cristy from RHOMiami.

[swankie]

Exactly. If I was actually afraid of someone, I would go into my room until their relative (Tammy) escorted them out. There is no way I would poke The bear as they were literally walking out the front door. Kenya was just being messy as usual. Obviously not excusing Glen's crazy behavior but without Kenya's provocation the incident would have never gone there.

 

 

Right before Kenya asked Glen to leave as him and his friend were standing at the door, he asked Kenya, "What's that for?", which I think was him asking why security was there.  That's when Kenya told him he was acting weird and making other people uncomfortable and he needed to leave.  I think the presence of security is what set him off more than Kenya telling him to leave because at that point, Tammy already had them at the door.  I think he got belligerent over the fact that he was going to be forced to leave instead of leaving on his own because he's a jackass like that.

Edited December 21, 2015 by swankie

[Watermelon]

It's the one thing about crying wolf. Kenya has overreacted, been a shit stirrer and told half truths about so much, most people(who actually know and spend time around her)  aren't inclined to believe she had NO parts in the drama.

 

You can't spend your whole reality career poking bears, then act upset when people won't believe you didn't poke the big crazy bear. Not how any of that works.

 

 

However, minus Glen drama this was a fun episode. Would much rather have seen whatever the girls talked about til 4am though.

[sunsheyen]

So relieved to come on here and not see a bunch of people blaming Kenya, like these dumb, misogynistic women did, even AFTER witnessing his violent behavior. I couldn't have even fixed my mouth in the talking head to defend him as part of the narrative prior to the big breakdown. 

 

I could have cussed Phaedra out for that BLM interlude, disrespecting Sandra Bland and Mike Brown's memories like that. Mentioning that he was hog tied not doing anything, but this man who effectively knocked his aunt out is hardly a comparison and could've been justifiably restrained based on his behavior. I hope when these women saw the episode and how he was ugly to Kandi and all "bitches and hoes" in the hot tub and to his friends, they realize and apologize for blaming Kenya. He sat up in there with all of them talking about "bitch ass bitches." I don't even know why I'm surprised anymore by Phaedra's misogyny, especially after the way she absolved Apollo of responsibility for years, even when he pushed her at the pajama party, until she couldn't any longer when he was caught on camera with the drill incident. 

 

Kim can miss me with her lying ass. She heard how he talked to Kandi, sat up there and agreed with her about how it could've gone way wrong, but jumped on the blame Kenya bandwagon even after she witnessed this separate disrespectful, aggressive incident that the other women weren't even privy to. She and her fried hair can use this check to pay off her taxes and I don't need to see her next season, or ever again. On a shallow note, who told her that brushing it out into that big dry bush in her interviews was cute? No ma'am.

 

I had to laugh at Oliver's slow mo take a knee fall into the pool with Porsha. I wonder how hard it was for her acting like a lady around Kordell. Her video chick persona is becoming more and more evident with each episode.

 

Cynthia is really trying to turn up this season. She needs to turn up on Peter about his side chicks and buying cars and buildings in her name. All Kenya said was to not feel guilty about the incident, introducing Tammy wasn't her fault/responsibility for the violence. She took it to a completely different level and had the nerve to say Kenya got aggressive with her. 

 

These women disgusted me tonight. They really did. I hope they don't perpetuate this foolishness at the reunion. The only truly enjoyable moment for me was their slumber party moment after Porsha's date. The rest was gross. 

[charma]

No, without Glen being batshit the incident would never have gone there. He was two seconds off starting some shit with Kandi because he didn't appreciate her "attitude" behind his congratulations! How is anyone else responsible for him being so aggro behind a simple comment of "you're making me uncomfortable?" None of that correlates to a threatening "I'm not playing with you, little bitch" and approach. Not even a little bit.

 

The episode repeat is on now and while Tammy was trying (unsuccessfully) to get them to leave -  they were actually not at the door, but in the living room Kim was using as a bedroom right off of the pool - Glen turns and actually ASKS Kenya "What's that for?" (having to leave). And she calmly says she's been trying to talk to him all day, but he's been acting weird and she and others are uncomfortable, and just want him to leave.

 

Now, if we want to talk INSTIGATING THE SITUATION, right here Phaedra adds fuel to the fire snitting "You've never made ME feel uncomfortable," followed by Sheree echoing it. That's when Glen seems to really get turnt and starts approaching Kenya, cursing and threatening. So is it their fault he reacted like a lunatic?

People hate Kenya Moore so much they want to see a MAN attack her.

 

How sick is that?

[Mozelle]

It's the one thing about crying wolf. Kenya has overreacted, been a shit stirrer and told half truths about so much, most people(who actually know and spend time around her)  aren't inclined to believe she had NO parts in the drama.

 

You can't spend your whole reality career poking bears, then act upset when people won't believe you didn't poke the big crazy bear. Not how any of that works.

 

 

However, minus Glen drama this was a fun episode. Would much rather have seen whatever the girls talked about til 4am though.

 

You could plug in any of the women's names here (Phaedra's, for example), and it would be true for them all.

 

The truth as I see it (and as confirmed by Phaedra and Sheree making that giant leap to BLM*) is that some of these women are more inclined to believe men over women from jump. Furthermore, they're more inclined to tie their desirability to male attention. So, you have a situation where Kenya smiled and flirted with Apollo way back when, and Apollo ran with it. That in turn makes these women automatically dislike Kenya (even though they smile and flirt just the same). To them, she's the woman you can't leave your man around...as though he has no free will or what have you. It's why Apollo could lie allllll about Kenya, and because Kenya was flirty, it means that she's basically the Jezebel to every man in Atlanta and beyond. 

 

Phaedra nem are pretty much like, "I think Kenya's a ho, so whatever happens, her ho ass deserves it AND it's her fault." 

 

*It's way too complicated, but essentially on the one hand it is scary for Black men in the world. However, it's scary for Black women, too, and it makes no sense for Phaedra and Sheree to leap to BLM to justify whatever pithy thoughts they have when Glen, a Black man, was being aggressive toward the Black women on the show!

Edited December 21, 2015 by Mozelle

[lunastartron]

When Apollo threatened Phaedra with a drill last year, what did she expect? You can't be married to a demonstrably violent criminal and then express fear when you find that violence directed toward you. "Not how any of that works."

 

And if she was so terrified of her husband, what on earth was she doing on her own property at a time during which his whereabouts where unknown? That's like being uncomfortable with a second-degree guest's malevolence but retaining the composure to ask the party in question to leave the premises: cuh-razy.

 

Look, black men are the victim no matter what because, institutional racism. If a black teenager is murdered by police thousands of miles away, that directly mitigates and justifies grown-ass black men putting their hands on women in front of national television cameras.

 

I'm glad we know why Apollo broke someone's ribs for no reason at the pyjama party. It had nothing to do with savagery on his part, and it certainly wasn't a matter of personal responsibility; it was Phaedra's fault. If she hadn't brought him onto the program in the first place, none of the brawls, identity theft, or ATM card misappropriation would have occurred.

I hope Aidan and Dylan know where the blame for all of their family's woes lie.

Edited December 21, 2015 by lunastartron

[hoosier80]

Kim wanted to go home and was looking for any excuse to leave.  She was afraid for her safety after the guys left?  If she was that afraid, she would have removed herself from the room, gone up to her bedroom and locked her door, plus notify production to get me the hell out of there stat.  She then was going to some random hotel?  I don't think she went to any hotel but went directly to the airport. 

 

What did she think she was signing up for - a tea party?  There's no way she could not have known what goes on in any of the Housewives franchises; the shows all make it in gossip columns and are part of the pop culture now.  She's an actress, so she has to stay abreast of pop culture, it is her job, otherwise she becomes obsolete.  Every trip on every housewives show has drama, otherwise there would be no show.

[swankie]

Kim wanted to go home and was looking for any excuse to leave.  She was afraid for her safety after the guys left?  If she was that afraid, she would have removed herself from the room, gone up to her bedroom and locked her door, plus notify production to get me the hell out of there stat.  She then was going to some random hotel?  I don't think she went to any hotel but went directly to the airport.

 

 

Kim didn't have a bedroom.  She chose the common living room for her quarters, which is really stupid, but that is the weirdness that is Kim.  I agree that she was looking for any little excuse to leave.  She didn't seem afraid when disrespectful nephew was aggressive with Kandi for not saying thank you the way he wanted.  So her excuse for leaving as being afraid for her safety was bullshit.

 

I usually can't stand Kenya and her lame impressions, but I couldn't help but laugh when she was imitating what Kim would have sounded like crying on the back of that mini hummer.  Lol!

Edited December 21, 2015 by swankie

[Watermelon]

You could plug in any of the women's names here (Phaedra's, for example), and it would be true for them all.

 

The truth as I see it (and as confirmed by Phaedra and Sheree making that giant leap to BLM*) is that some of these women are more inclined to believe men over women from jump. Furthermore, they're more inclined to tie their desirability to male attention. So, you have a situation where Kenya smiled and flirted with Apollo way back when, and Apollo ran with it. That in turn makes these women automatically dislike Kenya (even though they smile and flirt just the same). To them, she's the woman you can't leave your man around...as though he has no free will or what have you. It's why Apollo could lie allllll about Kenya, and because Kenya was flirty, it means that she's basically the Jezebel to every man in Atlanta and beyond. 

 

Phaedra nem are pretty much like, "I think Kenya's a ho, so whatever happens, her ho ass deserves it AND it's her fault." 

 

*It's way too complicated, but essentially on the one hand it is scary for Black men in the world. However, it's scary for Black women, too, and it makes no sense for Phaedra and Sheree to leap to BLM to justify whatever pithy thoughts they have when Glen, a Black man, was being aggressive toward the Black women on the show!

You're not wrong, but it also leaves out that Kenya was overly flirty and refused to read a room when the other women told her she was doing too much. She also lied about having a boyfriend, which lead to the idea that Kenya was a pressed ass weirdo.

[announcergirl]

I know one thing, Kenya showed tremendous restraint at the lunch where Kim was telling her how wrong she was according to her version of the events. And, her [Kim's] version was grossly inaccurate.

Ok, I had to rewind a couple of times when Mr. Smooth Venezuelan lover slipped into the pool. He was a good sport though.

[SpringTulips]

Ok, I had to rewind a couple of times when Mr. Smooth Venezuelan lover slipped into the pool. He was a good sport though.

I thought that was a good light moment of the episode. His coming over to Porsha all smooth and then tumbling on his ass. The women howling, but then following up with the obligatory...."Are you okay" He was a good sport, saying something like, you can laugh, it was funny.

With Shamea, less is more. She is usually overdone so you dont get to see how pretty she actually is.

I was a Kim fan. She just seemed so irrational this episode.

I think she doesn't drink because it doesn't mix with her meds, imo. Lots of mood swings there. Not that having to take meds is a bad thing if needed..

Edited December 21, 2015 by cooksdelight
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[drivethroo]

I think Shamea looked really pretty when she had a clean face and her hair was up. I think less is more with her.

[SnarkKitty]

The sad part is, all these women are still co-signing each other, with seemingly no comment on Glen or his actions, just shade thrown towards Kenya in their hashtags and comments about how things should have been handled. Kim Fields is tagging Phakedra and Sheree, basically all yes, ladies, I'm here for this comparison to BLM ... like, what the actual fuck?  And Sheree tweeting it's unacceptable to put your hands on anyone, ever - correction, she actually said "it's unacceptable to provoke or put your hands on anyone ever." With a straight face having yanked Kim's wig, jumped in a party promoter's face, and thanking Kim Fields for wearing a t-shirt glorifying her big moment of provocation and nearly putting her hands on someone. How dreadful.

 

Then again, they must know they're wrong but can't say so. The only ones tweeting truth is Kandi & Kenya, and Kandi is reporting there's even more that he said that they didn't show.

 

Glen Rice Sr., come get your son.

[Petunia13]

Yes the twitter comments are crazy I don't get Phaedra and Kim's mindset. And now some of their followers / defenders even say worse like domestic violence is an illusion since no woman can be victimized or intimidated unless she encourages it.

What?

[bref]

oh HELL no!

[Irritable]

It was not lost on me that the man who shoved his own aunt so hard that she was knocked possibly unconscious and taken to the hospital by ambulance has an enormous "FAMILY FIRST" tattoo emblazoned across his chest.  I do not think that means what he thinks it means.

 

I was a little sorry that the cameras always seemed to focus just above Kenya's booty in the bikini bottoms, or cut away quickly.  I am so fascinated and hypnotized by her strange, boxy buttocks, and always welcome new chances to say, "What exactly is going on there?".  I envy her amazingly flat stomach.

 

I was with Kim on all of her feelings this season about the obnoxiousness swirling around these women and how it's just not how she rolls, so it makes her uncomfortable...until she took the stupid side of the whole Glen debacle.  She and Phaedra completely lost me there.  First of all, Phaedra, I am a suburban white woman in metro Atlanta, and I'm not scared of black men, so please don't use me as an example in your messed up reasoning.  What I am scared of is any man, or woman for that matter, who behaves the way Glen did, because he was so obviously primed for a fight, tightly wound and looking for a reason to blow.  That shit is unpredictable, and very scary to watch unfold up close, especially for anyone who has been a victim of physical violence by a person whose temper flew out of control.  Secondly, it's such an insult and disservice to the true victims of police brutality to compare what Glen did to their tragedies.  Although, I will say that if Glen doesn't calm the hell down, the way he physically reacted to security stopping him from going after Kenya is exactly the kind of thing that could get him shot if he does it with the wrong lunatic cop.  He's lucky he was in an environment that was safe from that happening to him. 

 

I can't help but wonder if Tammy didn't contact him beforehand and let him know she was coming to Miami with the Housewives and TV cameras.  Maybe she "ran into" Glen and his friend just so she could bring them around and get them on the show.  He might have been playing up the whole "I'm not taking any shit off of these women" tough-guy shtick a little too hard to make sure his drama made it into an episode, and if so, then it sure backfired on Tammy.  Also, they don't usually release you from the hospital in the standard issue gown, robe and socks, which made her look even more disturbed standing at the door, like she had escaped and run without permission.  Knowing she ended up okay makes all of that extra funny to me.  The way Porsha opened the door and then shut it again in Tammy's face saying, "Oh HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII" while mouthing "IT'S TAMMY" to the other women like Jason Voorhees was standing on the porch was pure gold.   I'm assuming that due to the late hour the camera crew had to eventually go to bed, and asked the women to please try to get cell phone video if anything interesting happened while they weren't there to film it.

[Ubiquitous]

I usually can't stand Kenya and her lame impressions, but I couldn't help but laugh when she was imitating what Kim would have sounded like crying on the back of that mini hummer. Lol!

I thought Kenya was imitating what Kandi would have sounded like on the back of their mini-cars, ie, giving birth early. Edited December 21, 2015 by cooksdelight
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[Aging Goth]

My take on this episode...

It was just a very bad idea to bring these two guys back with them. I also think Tammy was on something as were her nephews so that was a red flag right there.

Cynthia ea smart to stop drinking at that point because she knew something would happen. The Otha should have followed suit.

Kenya was correct in wanting the nephews to leave. However, saying that she should have left it to Tammy to handle them and not intervene when Tammy had calmed them down and was getting them to leave.

This wasn't Kenya's fault as Kim felt. She was basing it on everything else Kenya had done. I see future conflicts between these two. Kenya meeting up with Kim to chastise her for wanting to go home and cutting the trip was wrong. Especially when Kandi also left and nothing was said about that.

Phaedra and Sheree's comparison to the Ferguson case was so out of place. Period.

I saw nothing wrong with Porsha having fun and the change to being more demure on her date. She was dunk the night before but sober, she did set boundaries.

Guess we won't see Tammy any more as this was enough to cost her her peach.

Edited December 21, 2015 by Aging Goth

[wanderingstar]

Phaedra and Sheree's comparison to the Ferguson case was so out of place. Period.

Agreed. It was an extreme stretch to compare what Glen did to victims of police violence. 

Edited December 21, 2015 by Gillian Rosh

[CrinkleCutCat]

If you get a chance, re-watch and check out Kim's face at the non-alcoholic dinner with Kenya just after Kenya declares "we have a lot in common". Didn't need to be a mind reader to know she was thinking "Oh no we don't" (or something stronger). I think Kim is patronising, condescending and, IMO, thinks a bit too much of herself. The look she gave Kenya in that moment: ouch. Even if they don't have anything in common, that look came at the tail end of her condescending attitude and expressions toward Kenya throughout their discussion.

I had never heard of her before this season so I had no pre-conceived notions, however, I now Do. Not. Like. Her. At. All.

I echo the umpteen posters who have queried why she chose to join the cast. Kim joined in so she can't turn her nose up too high.

[poeticlicensed]

First off, I have a very hard time believing that Tammy's 2 nephews just happened to be in the bar they pulled up at. Either Tammy or Tammy and the producers set it up. Clearly Auntie thought they needed some screen time. For someone who doesn't even have a peach, I think that's crazy.

 

As far as blaming Kenya, no it wasn't her fault. But Kenya calls for security and tries to have someone removed at  every event when someone says something she doesn't want to hear. So when there is a legitimate security issue, is it any wonder she gets the side eye? That being said, Kandi did look uncomfortable and the guy was being aggressive with the cameras running. Yes Kenya provoked with her finger snapping and skirt flapping which set the guy off, but it doesn't matter. No one gets to react like that. Phaedra and Sheree shouldn't discount others feelings because they don't feel the same. And to say that they are more sensitive because they are moms of black boys is just straight up wrong.  Bad, aggressive behavior is unacceptable is wrong for anyone. 

 

Kim certainly is high and mighty isn't she? Someone disagrees with her and she bounces. She just wanted to go home. Period. 

 

Porsha certainly has changed since her first season, hasn't she? 

[BogoGog24]

You don't need to be a medical professional to tell if someone has a pulse and a heartbeat. It is taught in a basic high school CPR class.

I'm pretty sure I have heard Porsha herself refer to herself as a THOT or the Queen of THOTland. She completely owns this side of herself and I think it's actually good that she can, instead of getting offended. It shows she doesn't take herself too seriously and can laugh at herself and just own it. Don't know why Kim can't do the same and just admit the real reason she wanted to return home is because she missed her family.

[ghoulina]

Okay, so was it just me, or was that fracas with Glenn edited a bit? It felt a bit choppy, like we didn't see all of what went down. I mean, we saw Glenn push Tammy, and I'm not saying it was in any way a gentle push, but then she appears unconscious on the floor? I'm just going to say it - I don't think she got that hurt. I think she was just drunk as a skunk. 

 

Anyhow, Glenn  is definitely responsible for his own actions and he seemed like a real POS, but it appeared to me that the guys were already leaving, no? Why did Kenya even need to say anything? It WAS like stirring a hornet's nest, and completely unnecessary. 

 

I'm probably one of the few that still likes Kim, but I just do. Her husband is freaking hilarious! Finding other kids in a girl's curly hair! Dabbing his sweat with the super absorbent diaper! That dude had me rolling. I can see why Kim would rather be home with her family. Honestly, they're so cute and he cracked me up so much, I'd be happy watching plenty of solo scenes of their family. What about when Kenya's godawful show made their son cry? Priceless! 

 

I do not care about Porsha's date. That girls moves quick, doesn't she? 

 

It was nice to see the rest of the girls cutting up and having fun together, despite some of the tensions between them. I wish they would realize that kind of stuff is a lot more fun than watching manufactured drama. 

Edited December 21, 2015 by ghoulina

[biakbiak]

Anyhow, Glenn is definitely responsible for his own actions and he seemed like a real POS, but it appeared to me that the guys were already leaving, no? Why did Kenya even need to say anything? It WAS like stirring a hornet's nest, and completely unnecessary.

No they were just in the living room and Glenn went to sit down on the sofa and directly asked Kenya what was going on (though he phrased it differently), she told him and he flew off the handle.

[ghoulina]

No they were just in the living room and Glenn went to sit down on the sofa and directly asked Kenya what was going on (though he phrased it differently), she told him and he flew off the handle.

 

I must have missed something then, because it looked, to me, like they were headed toward the door with Tammy and then Kenya came walking up with security. Again, how Glenn reacted was totally on him. But if it were me, I'd probably have let Tammy handle it, with security on standby, and stayed out of the way until they were gone. 

[appledumpling]

 

Glen Rice Sr., come get your son.

 

He probably learned that behavior towards women from his dad.   Judging from what I've read about him online he's been out of control for some time and dude is only 24.  If he doesn't get himself under control he's going to end up dead or in jail, he's already been shot.  I see a kid who was spoiled and had no limits set because his daddy was Glen Rice.  This is usually the end result, no body can tell them anything.

[biakbiak]

I must have missed something then, because it looked, to me, like they were headed toward the door with Tammy and then Kenya came walking up with security. Again, how Glenn reacted was totally on him. But if it were me, I'd probably have let Tammy handle it, with security on standby, and stayed out of the way until they were gone.

They were in the living room, the door that was behind them was just another door to the back yard not the front door. Edited December 21, 2015 by biakbiak

[qtpye]

This show made me sad.  You have a grown ass man going off on a pregnant woman (ain't no bitches disrepectin me), pushes his own auntie down, and lunges at Kenya for dare saying he is making her uncomfortable? Yet, Kenya is the problem.

 

Then you have Phaedra trivializing the "black lives matter" movement for this asshole?  This dude was a nasty piece of work and he does not represent the average black man or woman who is experiencing horrible police brutality.

 

The women said Kenya instigated Glen's behavior?  How, by daring to snap at him while they were on the boat?

 

I could have cussed Phaedra out for that BLM interlude, disrespecting Sandra Bland and Mike Brown's memories like that. Mentioning that he was hog tied not doing anything, but this man who effectively knocked his aunt out is hardly a comparison and could've been justifiably restrained based on his behavior. I hope when these women saw the episode and how he was ugly to Kandi and all "bitches and hoes" in the hot tub and to his friends, they realize and apologize for blaming Kenya. He sat up in there with all of them talking about "bitch ass bitches." I don't even know why I'm surprised anymore by Phaedra's misogyny, especially after the way she absolved Apollo of responsibility for years, even when he pushed her at the pajama party, until she couldn't any longer when he was caught on camera with the drill incident.

 

 

I can see a client coming to Phaedra being scared of her abusive husband or boyfriend and Phaedra putting on her faux sickeningly sweet southern voice "Chile, you need to learn to talk to men.  You, can't be fussing and mussing about no mens.  Girl, learn to be nice and he will stop hitting you.  You lucky you even got a man these days, honey, with all the thots out there..."

[psychoticstate]

WTF Phaedra and Sheree??  It makes me sad that these two mothers of boys seem to brush off what Glen did as being incited by Kenya.  Glen was rude, belligerant and so angry/hopped up on something that he was looking for a fight, even with women.  He was 100% in the wrong, all on his own.  Kenya wasn't acting like some scared white suburban housewife, Phaedra, she was acting like a scared woman.  Period.  I was unnerved watching this through my tv - - reading that Glen was since arrested with a gun and drugs on him does not surprise me.  Straight up thug. 

 

Bringing Michael Brown and the Ferguson mess into this was just disgraceful.  One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.  Shame, shame.

 

Cynthia needed to take a few seats, trying to take the blame.  Seriously?  And how many times was she going to say she was going to check on Tammy?  Just go already!! 

 

I don't blame Kim for leaving.  I love you, Kim, but you need to admit that you just wanted to leave and own up. 

 

Porsha, please no more twerking.

 

I'm very surprised that no one seemed very concerned about Tammy after she was taken to the hospital.  Why wouldn't SHE be allowed back in the house?  She didn't do anything (at least not that we saw.)  If that had been my friend, I would have been pissed that she wasn't allowed back in.  Of course I also would have been going to the hospital with her and I would have been going to the hotel with her too if she wasn't allowed back, CYNTHIA.  I certainly hope Tammy didn't defend her nephew.  That was so wrong and so out of  line, I just can't.  On first viewing I was really concerned that she might have struck her head on the edge of something - - that could have been much worse for Tammy.

[bosawks]

I think the episode was a public service for those of us about to celebrate the holidays at a work function.

See, there are worse things.....

[Rottiemommie]

 Phaedra is saying that she feels bad because her and Sheree have sons and any one of them could end up like Michael Brown. So does that mean Miss Parks, as a sworn officer of the court, is going to raise her boys to rob a store, say to a police officer "The fuck you say to me?" and attempt to take a cop's gun? Then by all means they should end up like Mr. Brown. Shut up Phaedra. 

 

And I feel like a loser asking this but where did the term Thot come from? I've never heard it before but I'm guessing it means slut or something similar?

[Mozelle]

This show made me sad.  You have a grown ass man going off on a pregnant woman (ain't no bitches disrepectin me), pushes his own auntie down, and lunges at Kenya for dare saying he is making her uncomfortable? Yet, Kenya is the problem.

 

Then you have Phaedra trivializing the "black lives matter" movement for this asshole?  This dude was a nasty piece of work and he does not represent the average black man or woman who is experiencing horrible police brutality.

 

The women said Kenya instigated Glen's behavior?  How, by daring to snap at him while they were on the boat?

 

 

I can see a client coming to Phaedra being scared of her abusive husband or boyfriend and Phaedra putting on her faux sickeningly sweet southern voice "Chile, you need to learn to talk to men.  You, can't be fussing and mussing about no mens.  Girl, learn to be nice and he will stop hitting you.  You lucky you even got a man these days, honey, with all the thots out there..."

 

I would laugh if I didn't think Phaedra sure enough would say some mess along those lines. It's a bit unnerving when you consider that she's raising boys. She'll pass these views on to them.

 

You don't need to be a medical professional to tell if someone has a pulse and a heartbeat. It is taught in a basic high school CPR class.

I'm pretty sure I have heard Porsha herself refer to herself as a THOT or the Queen of THOTland. She completely owns this side of herself and I think it's actually good that she can, instead of getting offended. It shows she doesn't take herself too seriously and can laugh at herself and just own it. Don't know why Kim can't do the same and just admit the real reason she wanted to return home is because she missed her family.

 

I think the reason why I dislike the word "thot" so much is that it's ultimately a judgment on a woman's sexuality. I don't find there a thing wrong for a woman to own her sexuality, but that particular word is just so ugly and meant to judge a woman (only a woman) for her behavior. Maybe there will be a day where it can fully reclaimed (like, perhaps, the word "bitch"), but I know I'm not there yet. 

Edited December 21, 2015 by Mozelle

[biakbiak]

Why wouldn't SHE be allowed back in the house? She didn't do anything (at least not that we saw.)

What is left unsaid is that there are producers to take her to the hospital and get her some stuff to take her to a hotel and watch her until the morning rather than have her come back to the house at 4am. I think the thing that they were most shocked by was that the 2 guys came back with her. You can see the one with the beard peaking around the door when Tammy is standing in her hospital gown.

[SnarkKitty]

This show made me sad.  You have a grown ass man going off on a pregnant woman (ain't no bitches disrepectin me), pushes his own auntie down, and lunges at Kenya for dare saying he is making her uncomfortable? Yet, Kenya is the problem.

 

Then you have Phaedra trivializing the "black lives matter" movement for this asshole?  This dude was a nasty piece of work and he does not represent the average black man or woman who is experiencing horrible police brutality.

 

The women said Kenya instigated Glen's behavior?  How, by daring to snap at him while they were on the boat?

 

I can see a client coming to Phaedra being scared of her abusive husband or boyfriend and Phaedra putting on her faux sickeningly sweet southern voice "Chile, you need to learn to talk to men.  You, can't be fussing and mussing about no mens.  Girl, learn to be nice and he will stop hitting you.  You lucky you even got a man these days, honey, with all the thots out there..."

 

Sadly, it's not even a joke, because you can see it happening.

 

 

Yes Kenya provoked with her finger snapping and skirt flapping which set the guy off, but it doesn't matter. No one gets to react like that.

 

No, I don't believe either of those things set him off. If so, he's a mad beast who needs not to go out in the world, there are far ruder things afoot for him.

 

She apologized for the finger snap and the skirt flapping that followed was clearly a jokey, flirty thing and cannot even be called provocation - she was laughing and saying "yes!" (really to Sheree, since Glen wasn't even in skirt vicinity). Honestly it felt to me like she was further apologizing, trying to placate him and show him she meant no harm. Plus both of those things happened on the boat. By the time they got back to the house and the actual altercation happened, a fair bit of time had gone by.

 

We can't really be accepting that Glen was still so turnt by that little action on the boat that it's the reason he walked in snapping on Kandi, told Sheree she had a little bit of an attitude too, and then said he wasn't taking shit off none of those bitches and hoes, before throwing his gang signs and promising Kenya on everything he loves (yes he did) that he wasn't fucking with no "little bitches?" ... all because Kenya snapped her fingers to get his attention and whipped the edge of her skirt some hours before?? Where they do that at??

 

Something tells me if Kenya had snapped to get Oliver's attention, apologized then flipped her skirt while giggling his name, it wouldn't have ended up with Tammy laid out like Deebo.

 

The one part I agree with in the whole thing is she shouldn't have answered him. Even if he was asking, and she had every right to answer truthfully - and actually did so in a reasonable, non-combative way - I would have preferred she had taken the other road and realized she was talking to someone who wasn't going to be reasonable under any circumstances. Girl needs to learn to stand down. I get her, I really do, BT, DT with feeling like I can speak my truth and too bad if you don't like it  - but you learn, or you should, sometimes it's not worth it. Let it go, let it flow.

[The Mighty Peanut]

Phaedra bringing up BLM was just not applicable at all. If a white cop came and shot Glen in the head for being a dick than that cop should lose his/her badge and go to jail--because being a dick is not a death penalty offense, and deadly force is a last resort. What Phaedra was proposing was that if her boys were in a sequence of events wherein they were acting in a way that made those around them fearful enough for a woman to call the police, and the police got there and unlawfully shot one of them to death thinking that the color of their skin made them more dangerous than another offender...that it would be the woman's fault for calling the police. 

 

Another poster mentioned Phaedra claimed to be scared that Apollo would burn the house down with the kids in it, and she did seem scared when he came to the house to get his things. I thought of that as well. According to her own logic, had she called the cops in fear for her life and the lives of her children, and Apollo was shot by the police, it would be Phaedra's fault for calling them in the first place. It's really, really a sad predicament for society that police brutality has gotten so bad that minorities feel they're better off policing themselves...but that doesn't mean the LAW ABIDING PERSON is responsible for the ILLEGAL behavior of another. 

[ghoulina]

They were in the living room, the door that was behind them was just another door to the back yard not the front door.

 

Ohhhh, okay. My mistake. I truly thought it was the front door and that they were literally about the leave when Kenya came up. 

[Duke2801]

I, too, was wondering if Glen is Tammy's actual blood nephew. Or moreso how my best girlfriends' kids call me "Aunt Duke." Not that it has absolutely anything to do with his deplorable behavior.  Just curious.

 

I gotta say that Tammy is bit of an enigma to me.  The persona she's presented thus far on the show just doesn't match up with what I've read about her "real life."  I mean, she is an actual ballerina!  Her husband is some big-deal lead tennis coach at Emory. She's a stylist and an entrepreneur.  I guess I would just expect somebody with those credentials to be a bit more ... gracious. Or something.  She just comes off as awkward and strange and unintelligible.

 

WireWrap, on 20 Dec 2015 - 11:07 PM, said:

I found it weird that no one went to the ER with Tammy and then no one expected her to return to the house when she was released! All of her things were at the house, clothes/shoes/purse/ID, so where did they expect her to go? LOL.

 

I was thinking it was moreso that she was still wearing her hospital garb that surprised them!

 

BogoGog24, on 21 Dec 2015 - 08:11 AM, said:

You don't need to be a medical professional to tell if someone has a pulse and a heartbeat. It is taught in a basic high school CPR class.

I'm pretty sure I have heard Porsha herself refer to herself as a THOT or the Queen of THOTland. She completely owns this side of herself and I think it's actually good that she can, instead of getting offended. It shows she doesn't take herself too seriously and can laugh at herself and just own it. Don't know why Kim can't do the same and just admit the real reason she wanted to return home is because she missed her family.

 

Yep, it was on their trip to... Puerto Rico(?) last year when Porscha started to proclaim herself the Queen of THOTland. So her self-degradation is nothing new.  Still sad though.

Thick McRunFast, on 20 Dec 2015 - 9:09 PM, said:

Phaedra was so out of line to bring up Mike Brown. She was just trying to stir up emotions against Kenya. Kenya is a pain in the ass and a drama queen but she was 100% within her rights to want that man to leave. He was aggressive and scary and he looked like he would have knocked Kenya down too if he was given half a chance. He knocked his aunt down and didn't give her a second glance, who knows what he would have done to Kenya if three huge guys hadn't tackled him?

 

Was it wrong that I laughed at the video of Tammy standing at the door looking like the walking dead?

 

LOL.  If laughing at that scene was wrong....  I do not want to be right!

Cassye1021, on 20 Dec 2015 - 9:23 PM, said:

The moment he started talking about hos and bitches, he would have to go. I can't have immature people like that around me.

 

Seriously.  Not to mention misogynistic, arrogant, aggressive people. 

[cooksdelight]

I gotta say that Tammy is bit of an enigma to me. The persona she's presented thus far on the show just doesn't match up with what I've read about her "real life." I mean, she is an actual ballerina! Her husband is some big-deal lead tennis coach at Emory. She's a stylist and an entrepreneur. I guess I would just expect somebody with those credentials to be a bit more ... gracious. Or something. She just comes off as awkward and strange and unintelligible.

She has a drinking problem, from what I've seen. The other women are always making the joke about her constantly having a beer in her hand. She was three sheets to the wind last night.

[CaughtOnTape]

Everyone missed the most important thing in the whole episode.

 

Kim wearing that shirt at the beginning...."Who gon' kick me boo?"  I laughed and laughed.  Sheree's greatest moment ever.

 

The only comment I have on the Glen/Kenya situation was that all of it was ridiculous and stupid.  I would've asked him to leave too but because I'm not down with being called a bitch or a ho.  Not even jokingly.  Those words have meaning and you better never use them in my direction.  That being said, I am mostly bothered because now Kenya will use this as a reason to get up on her soapbox about violence against women and how abused she's been in the past and I really don't wanna hear it.

[Suck It Trebek]

I know Glen is/was a basketball player, but is he also the same nephew of Tammy's that she was trying to get Kandi to produce music with? I thought maybe he was pissy about Kandi's refusal (not outright) to work with him so that's why he was such an asshole to her?

[Bronzedog]

I know Glen is/was a basketball player, but is he also the same nephew of Tammy's that she was trying to get Kandi to produce music with? I thought maybe he was pissy about Kandi's refusal (not outright) to work with him so that's why he was such an asshole to her?

I think he was an asshole to Kandi because he's an asshole.

[Primetimer]

Tammy's concussion smacks some much-needed sense into the Housewives.

Read the story

[SnarkKitty]

Tammy wanted Kandi to work with her son, IIRC.

[Ubiquitous]

I found it weird that no one went to the ER with Tammy and then no one expected her to return to the house when she was released! All of her things were at the house, clothes/shoes/purse/ID, so where did they expect her to go? LOL.

Actually, I thought one with a potential concussion had to be kept under observation for 24 hours.

 

Then again, they must know they're wrong but can't say so. The only ones tweeting truth is Kandi & Kenya, and Kandi is reporting there's even more that he said that they didn't show.

That confirms my suspicions. I can only imagine what else happened that we didn't see (but will be revealed during the "lost footage" special for this season).

 

I'm probably one of the few that still likes Kim, but I just do. Her husband is freaking hilarious! Finding other kids in a girl's curly hair! Dabbing his sweat with the super absorbent diaper! That dude had me rolling. I can see why Kim would rather be home with her family. Honestly, they're so cute and he cracked me up so much, I'd be happy watching plenty of solo scenes of their family. What about when Kenya's godawful show made their son cry? Priceless! 

Well, it WAS pretty bad... Did I hear Kim tell her husband that Kenya's roll would have to be recast if they carried it? heh heh heh

 

Cynthia needed to take a few seats, trying to take the blame.  Seriously?  And how many times was she going to say she was going to check on Tammy?  Just go already!! 

 

I'm very surprised that no one seemed very concerned about Tammy after she was taken to the hospital.  Why wouldn't SHE be allowed back in the house?  She didn't do anything (at least not that we saw.)  If that had been my friend, I would have been pissed that she wasn't allowed back in.  Of course I also would have been going to the hospital with her and I would have been going to the hotel with her too if she wasn't allowed back, CYNTHIA.  I certainly hope Tammy didn't defend her nephew.  That was so wrong and so out of  line, I just can't.  On first viewing I was really concerned that she might have struck her head on the edge of something - - that could have been much worse for Tammy.

Yeah, now that you mention it, Tammy is allegedly Cynthia's friend, isn't she?

 

And I feel like a loser asking this but where did the term Thot come from? I've never heard it before but I'm guessing it means slut or something similar?

THOT stands for "That Ho Over There". Yeah, it means "slut", and it's disgusting how Porsha wallows in it. One can be sexually liberated without being like Porscha.

 

 

 

I, too, was wondering if Glen is Tammy's actual blood nephew. Or moreso how my best girlfriends' kids call me "Aunt Duke." Not that it has absolutely anything to do with his deplorable behavior.  Just curious.

 

I gotta say that Tammy is bit of an enigma to me.  The persona she's presented thus far on the show just doesn't match up with what I've read about her "real life."  I mean, she is an actual ballerina!  Her husband is some big-deal lead tennis coach at Emory. She's a stylist and an entrepreneur.  I guess I would just expect somebody with those credentials to be a bit more ... gracious. Or something.  She just comes off as awkward and strange and unintelligible.

Are you kidding me? I would have NEVER guessed Tammy is a ballerina!