S08.E07: Miami Spice

[Tara Ariano]

A Miami trip turns tense, thanks to a guest of the house. Meanwhile, Porsha has a steamy date with a new suitor; two women travel back to Atlanta; and Kim has doubts about her newfound friendship with Kenya.

[cooksdelight]

Phaedra... take a seat. Talking about Michael Brown, and Kenya in the same breath. Last night you agreed with Kandi that the young man was out of line. He was drunk, threatening a pregnant woman, hitting Tammy and knocking her down.... and you are defending him as being a Michael Brown???? As soon as Tammy was gone, Phaedra was making fun of her. Make up your mind, woman, who's side you are on.

Giving Porsha advice on getting a ring.... LMAO.... Porsha had already twerked for the guy to have him ask her out, she's not getting a ring from this dude. Especially if she's drunk right off the bat.

Those guys were drunk and ugly and Kenya was right in asking them to leave. Porsha was a messy drunk woman, there was nothing cute about her behavior.

Kim needs to lose the big white Bozo wig. And once again, saying Kenya was wrong in wanting the young men removed... yet you agreed they were out of line and making you uncomfortable!!! She was making no sense in her conversation with Kenya, since she was basically saying she felt uncomfortable with the men there.... I think it boils down to her really missing her family. Just admit it.

Vine and Tap doesn't have their liquor license??? WTF??

Production needs to work on their scripts.

[Ubiquitous]

Yeah, I thought taking Tammy's "newphews" back to their place would be a bad idea, but blaming Kenya was ridiculous.

Classy move at the pool, THOT Thug! Way to give Oliver a good first impression.

I take it we won't see Tammy anymore after this trip to Miami. Wasn't she sppsd to be a new housewife?

I didn't appreciate Phaedra perpetuating the Ferguson Myth at all. She should know better, or is that representative of her clientele?

I do enjoy Kim's scenes and her calling out Kenya on her antics.

Edited December 21, 2015 by Ubiquitous

[Brooklynista]

I certainly blinked at missed something. How did Tammy's turned up, disrespectful nephew become Kenya's fault? Even after Kandi explained how he treated her, it was still Kenya's fault??

How can they put him cussing Kandi out and them knocking his aunt out on Kenya asking him to leave? I'm no Kenya apologist but the right move was made getting him to leave before he got even more liquor ed up.

And Phaedra invoking Mike Brown? Just no. Stop.

Edited December 21, 2015 by Brooklynista

[Sheenieb]

It's a Christmas miracle. I actually agree with Kenya.

 

Glen was aggro and turned up from the get-go. I sized him up from the moment he appeared onscreen. Dude seemed way too roughneck, so it was not surprising how he reacted to being asked to leave.

 

Phaedra and Sheree could miss me with the whole "I have a soft spot for black men because I have sons" and "that could've been Ayden or Dylan." Instead of making excuses for Glen, how about you teach your boys to have respect for themselves and for women? The moment Glen came at Kenya with "little bitch," I didn't blame her at all for calling security. We all know Kenya is usually extra and messy, but she felt uncomfortable, and she was well within her rights to throw him out. But this is what happens when you're disliked. Even if you're in the right, no one will listen to you. When Kandi said that Glen had an attitude with her, that's when Porsha started to believe that Glen wasn't cool.

[Thick McRunFast]

Phaedra was so out of line to bring up Mike Brown. She was just trying to stir up emotions against Kenya. Kenya is a pain in the ass and a drama queen but she was 100% within her rights to want that man to leave. He was aggressive and scary and he looked like he would have knocked Kenya down too if he was given half a chance. He knocked his aunt down and didn't give her a second glance, who knows what he would have done to Kenya if three huge guys hadn't tackled him?

 

Was it wrong that I laughed at the video of Tammy standing at the door looking like the walking dead?

[Mozelle]

This is like a repeat of the pajama party. I'd love to say that I can't even believe these women would tie themselves in knots to blame Kenya for Glen's aggression, but that would be a lie. I mean, Phaedra came with that Stretch Armstrong reach of tying Glen's aggression and violence to Black Lives Matter, and it was embarrassing as hell. Like, GIRL! If you don't sitcho! 

 

Kim can go now. She's so fucking self righteous. Kandi--KANDI!--says that Glen was being weird and aggressive out the gate, and you're still content to sit on your perch and say that Kenya was at fault? But again; I shouldn't be surprised. Oftentimes women play into misogyny (and misogynoir) just the same.

[Ubiquitous]

Phaedra and Sheree could miss me with the whole "I have a soft spot for black men because I have sons" and "that could've been Ayden or Dylan." Instead of making excuses for Glen, how about you teach your boys to have respect for themselves and for women? The moment Glen came at Kenya with "little bitch," I didn't blame her at all for calling security. We all know Kenya is usually extra and messy, but she felt uncomfortable, and she was well within her rights to throw him out. But this is what happens when you're disliked. Even if you're in the right, no one will listen to you. When Kandi said that Glen had an attitude with her, that's when Porsha started to believe that Glen wasn't cool.

I thought it wasn't until she heard how he treated Kandi.

 

ETA: Trimmed excessive quoted text.

Edited December 21, 2015 by Ubiquitous

[WireWrap]

Phaedra... take a seat. Talking about Michael Brown, and Kenya in the same breath. Last night you agreed with Kandi that the young man was out of line. He was drunk, threatening a pregnant woman, hitting Tammy and knocking her down.... and you are defending him as being a Michael Brown???? As soon as Tammy was gone, Phaedra was making fun of her. Make up your mind, woman, who's side you are on.

Giving Porsha advice on getting a ring.... LMAO.... Porsha had already twerked for the guy to have him ask her out, she's not getting a ring from this dude. Especially if she's drunk right off the bat.

Those guys were drunk and ugly and Kenya was right in asking them to leave. Porsha was a messy drunk woman, there was nothing cute about her behavior.

Kim needs to lose the big white Bozo wig. And once again, saying Kenya was wrong in wanting the young men removed... yet you agreed they were out of line and making you uncomfortable!!! She was making no sense in her conversation with Kenya, since she was basically saying she felt uncomfortable with the men there.... I think it boils down to her really missing her family. Just admit it.

Vine and Tap doesn't have their liquor license??? WTF??

Production needs to work on their scripts.

I think Kim was correct when she said that Kenya was wrong in NOT allowing Tammy to handle her nephew when Kenya told her they had to leave. Tammy got them to the front door and then Kenya had to put her 2 cents in and made the situation worse, it went from bad to CRAZY because of that. IMO, Kenya has to keep poking and poking until she gets a reaction from whoever so that she can JUSTIFY why she poked them in the first place to begin with. JMO

[Adeejay]

I think I missed something.  How was it Kenya's fault that Tammy's nephew was rude and disrespectful?

[cooksdelight]

I think Kim was correct when she said that Kenya was wrong in NOT allowing Tammy to handle her nephew when Kenya told her they had to leave

Tammy was drunk as a skunk. She couldn't handle herself, much less two big aggressive guys, in my opinion.

[Ubiquitous]

Was it wrong that I laughed at the video of Tammy standing at the door looking like the walking dead?

No, you're not the only one. I can't help but think more happened. Didn't they say she and her "nephew" entered the building and were forcibly ejected?

[Cassye1021]

The moment he started talking about hos and bitches, he would have to go. I can't have immature people like that around me.

[drivethroo]

I think Bravo has some footage they didn't show us, because Kim was sitting with Kandi as he mean mugged Kandi and she's claiming Kenya escalated the situation. We know Bravo didn't show everything because they didn't show Tammy coming back when she came back. They showed it to us after the fact. According to Sheree, Phaedra, Kim & even Porsha, Tammy was getting her nephews to leave when Kenya popped off at the mouth.

Probably what happened was Tammy got the guys calmed down and agreeing to leave, then Kenya popped off at the mouth and they ended up going buck wild.

Kim was looking for an excuse to leave Miami so Kenya is correct on that.

Kim Fields is not here for Kenya's BS.

Cynthia needs to have a seat trying to make the Glen/Tammy incident about her.

Porsha, you can't twerk for a man then act like Miss Prim & Proper the next minute.

Glen acting a fool has nothing to do with Ferguson. Just stop.

[wanderingstar]

Tammy's nephew came across as the type of person who would respond to every slight - perceived or real - with a cuss out. Such people have always aggravated me, so I get why Kandi and Kenya felt uncomfortable around him, and why Kenya asked him to leave. That said, Kenya's reputation as a shit-stirrer is part of the reason everyone was blaming her for that whole incident. Not that I think this will cause her to reflect and change her instigating ways. And why couldn't she have taken Tammy aside and said, "I'd like you and your guests to leave; they're making me feel uncomfortable." Why did she have to milk even this moment for maximum drama?

 

Was it wrong that I laughed at the video of Tammy standing at the door looking like the walking dead?

 

God help me, I laughed at that too. I don't even have a good excuse. 

[WireWrap]

Tammy was drunk as a skunk. She couldn't handle herself, much less two big aggressive guys, in my opinion.

Tammy told them they had to leave and they were leaving. They were at the front door when Kenya just had to open her mouth. Kenya had every right to tell them to go but she needed to let Tammy do it and she, Tammy, was doing it. Now if Tammy had tried and failed all Kenya needed to do is ask Security, she did not need to address Glen at all.

Also, where did they think Tammy would go when she was released from the ER? I do not understand why they were surprised she came back to the house, no one threw HER out after all, just her nephew/friend.

[The Mighty Peanut]

If Aidan or Dylan grow up to sit around the pool talking about ain't no ho gonna step to them, calling women bitches, pushing their aunt, and trying to fight two beefy security guards, then Phaedra fucked up as a parent. Kenya is undoubtedly an instigator and more than that an escalator, but it really grinds my gears that with Porsha, Pillow Talk, and now this, Kenya is blamed for the violent act of another person. I do have pity for her in this particular instance because she has been a victim of abuse and I'm sure she heard that her mom or whoever wouldn't have hit her if she had cleaned her room/cooked breakfast/got the grade--which of course everyone rightfully abhors because children don't provoke the abuse of people who know better. Well, now she's an adult, and she still shouldn't be blamed for forcing Nephew into his weird little drunk aggro posturing...because he knows better. Fuck Phaedra especially because just as a cop has no right to claim an arrest is provocation enough for executing a man ("he must've been doing something !"), she has no right to excuse a man's horrible behavior because a woman--excuse me, a little bitch--insulted his precious manhood.

If he hadn't been asked to leave and he assaulted someone I have a feeling they'd blame Kenya, too.

Edited December 21, 2015 by The Mighty Peanut

[WordsWordsWords]

I understand wanting to stand up for young, black men. I genuinely do. That instinct to stand up, however, should not override your self-preservation instinct. That's why I was on-board with asking those guys to leave. Yes, even though there was a camera crew and (obviously) some big guys on the crew to keep really bad things from happening. Phaedra and Sheree need to stop with that line of thought.

 

I do agree with Kenya (look out, Hades is currently experiencing blizzard conditions!) that the disrespectful, possibly dangerous, guys should leave. I'm not sure she handled it as well as she would have if she hadn't been a bit intoxicated as well. And she did instigate some "mess" out on the boat, snapping her fingers at Glen and calling him "young buck" (according to my closed captions). Still, on the whole, I'm mostly on her side this time. (Yep, Hades is experiencing gale force winds with that blizzard.)

 

If I were Kim, I'd have been leaving, too. I have never been a Kim Fields fan, but honestly, she's more like me than any of these other "housewives." I'd have been very uncomfortable, too. That said, she must have known what she signed up for. Even people who don't watch the RH shows know they're all about the DRAMA.

 

Finally, I have no use at all for Tammy, but I've had three concussions. Poor woman looked exactly the way I felt after each of them when she showed up at the door. I had great sympathy for her then. I have no doubt I'll lose it all if she comes back around because she's a horrid person.

[Bluegirl547]

I cannot believe I just spent an entire hour watching educated women blaming another woman for violence caused by a man. Fuck that shit. This is why it's so hard for rape victims and domestic violence victims to come forward.

They should all be ashamed, especially Phaedra, invoking Michael Brown. I have NEVER.

[Lucygirl2]

I don't think dude getting aggressive was Kenya's fault but I did laugh at how Kenya didn't start getting uncomfortable until it was clear Glen was into Sheree & not the least bit interested in Kenya...

 

Glen's behavior was completely uncalled for

[BogoGog24]

I wonder if part of the reason Tammy fell so hard had to do with how drunk she was. Her nephew pushing her out of the way is inexcusable but I wonder if she had been sober if she'd have been able to prevent herself from falling.

That Glen guy was starting to get scary. Getting all up in Kandi's space for no reason, calling Kenya a "little bitch." The way he pushed Tammy out of the way looked like he was ready to go ape on someone. Dude clearly has zero respect for women. It shouldn't matter who was provoking him or how, if someone is bugging you that much then get up and walk away or leave. Remove yourself from the person or situation that's making you angry.

Ok so the restaurant where Kim and Kenya went to eat that said they don't have their liquor license made no sense since you could see people drinking wine in the background. Unless it's a BYOB place?

Kim is very wishy washy but I'm alright with her calling out Kenya on her shit. Loved the family's reaction to her TV pilot.

[Thick McRunFast]

I couldn't help but notice how quickly Cynthia tried to lay the blame for Glen's behavior on anyone but Glen. She's an expert on giving Peter a pass on stuff he shouldn't be given a pass for and now she's extending that to random drunk guys. Cynthia, sometimes men do things wrong. It's not always a lady's fault.

 

The other thing that made me laugh in this episode was Phaedra reporting to the paramedic that Tammy had a really strong pulse and heartbeat. Phaedra is a doctor now too?  She's so full of nonsense.

[lunastartron]

It's frightening how insistently this cast in particular normalizes aggression against women when the victim is a woman they dislike. Watching Kim's account at the end of the episode was the definition of Kafkaesque - she frames the entire debacle as the yield of Kenya's unreasonable "shit stirring" only to admit in the next breath that she feared for her safety. Phaedra certainly approaches misogynistic violence with moral convenience - just a year after fantasizing about Apollo murdering her children, she's back to the "you're lucky you didn't get your ass beat" rationalizations. If Tammy were capable of handling the situation, she wouldn't have ended up on the ground and in an ambulance thanks to her own nephew's handiwork. And it was awful to watch all of the women giggle about Tammy's return when she was literally beat down by a family member.

[SpringTulips]

Phaedra and Sheree could miss me with the whole "I have a soft spot for black men because I have sons" and "that could've been Ayden or Dylan." Instead of making excuses for Glen, how about you teach your boys to have respect for themselves and for women?

 

Glen knocked Tammi to the ground with no regard to her well being. I was floored listening to Phaedra ignore and explain away aggressive and abusive behavior just to get digs in at Kenya.Hopefully she is not raising her boys to be entitled assholes like their father Apollo.

[wanderingstar]

The other thing that made me laugh in this episode was Phaedra reporting to the paramedic that Tammy had a really strong pulse and heartbeat. Phaedra is a doctor now too?  She's so full of nonsense.

That was odd. I kept thinking, Phaedra has medical training?

Edited December 21, 2015 by Gillian Rosh

[SnarkKitty]

Okay, FUCK YOU Phaedra. You are 100% wrong and I'm so sick of your fake, fucked up ass. You want to sit there pretending like KANDI didn't feel afraid too? Like she didn't tell you he came at HER aggressively? You didn't see that man knock his own fucking AUNT down? And still, you want to cry some bullshit crocodile tears and take it to labeling black boys?  Having a son doesn't mean you get to blame other people for everything that goes wrong. YOUR huzzzbin has done more to fuck with your sons life, making them statistics before the age of 5...but you want to stay pressed on Kenya just because she had the good fucking sense to say "we're uncomfortable."

 

Aside from all the rest, I'm so fucking PISSED with Phaedra and Sheree using Kenya as a bullshit scapegoat to conflate the actual, real shit that happens to innocent black boys and men, and the actual, real shit that Glen was doing that justifiably warranted those actions taken against him. It's nobody's fault but Glen's, and fuck you for trying to give that mean, scary, aggressive THUG an out. But then, that's just business as usual for you, right Esquire?

 

And as long as I'm here, FUCK YOU TOO, Kim "my shit don't stink" Fields. Nobody had to shake that hornet's nest; apparently just walking by and creating a breeze could irritate that fucking nest. Better way of handling it? NO. Even his aunt couldn't nicely ask him to leave. 'Cause if Tammy could've handled it "another way," they'd have left. Seeing as her nephew couldn't even accept Kandi's "Uh, thanks," early in the evening, no way was he accepting Kenya's "We're uncomfortable and want you to leave" gracefully once it was clear that drunk Tammy was getting nowhere. The ONLY acceptable response was "fine, you don't want us here, we're gone." Not, "I'm not playing with you, little bitch." EXCUSE ME??

 

The only right way at that point was straight up saying "Please leave," which Kenya did. And then calling for assistance when he charged her. If you know so much, then YOU should have handled it, not just sat in judgment Monday morning quarterbacking.

 

Things I am not here for:
- Y'all felt nervous about him right off the bat. Yet the next day you're acting like Kenya was making things up, even though you sat there with Kandi acknowledging that a single simple conversation was going sideways. And no, you were NOT there for everything, you were not in the Jacuzzi when he got extra threatening behind a fairly neutral comment about "Oh, here comes your auntie, checking on the conversation."

- Exaggerating why Kenya asked for people to be removed. Even if she was being extra with the asking, you're being extra with your reasoning "Oh, what if I'm next, and she'll wake me up at 2 am and say you have to go for no reason." Girl stop.
- Continually trolling for points for leaving your fucking house for 80 damned hours.
- Um, yeah Kim that's EXACTLY what it was "Uhh... wah, I wanna go home, I miss my husband." You might not need a reason, but you sure as shit didn't let an excuse to "bounce" without saying I'm bouncing go by.

 

Somewhere in NY, Heather is saying "And THAT'S what the fuck I'm talking about!"

 

There's my huff, time for me to leave in it.

[Petunia13]

Kim has no idea what she's talking about.

[Cassye1021]

There is a wine & beer license and a liquor license. Two separate licenses. Kenya asked for a cocktail.

[cooksdelight]

The other thing that made me laugh in this episode was Phaedra reporting to the paramedic that Tammy had a really strong pulse and heartbeat. Phaedra is a doctor now too? She's so full of nonsense.

Might be some of her mortuary training.... feeling for a pulse to make sure they're really dead before she buries them?

I'll show myself out.....

[Sheenieb]

 

- Exaggerating why Kenya asked for people to be removed. Even if she was being extra with the asking, you're being extra with your reasoning "Oh, what if I'm next, and she'll wake me up at 2 am and say you have to go for no reason." Girl stop.

Oh, thanks for mentioning that. It's funny how Kim and Kenya are both at opposite ends of the same doing the most spectrum.

 

Cynthia can get out of here, too, with feeling responsible because she brought Tammy around. What? Tammy didn't do anything! Even if she did, Tammy would be responsible for her own actions, just like Glen is.

 

The Atlanta franchise is the most infuriating when it comes on to attitudes towards women. I'm annoyed that THOT is thrown around so frequently and Porsha seems to be okay with it.

Edited December 21, 2015 by Sheenieb

[Ubiquitous]

That was odd. I kept thinking, Phaedra has medical training?

If memory serves, mortician training includes some rudimentary medical training.

[Granimal]

I cannot believe I just spent an entire hour watching educated women blaming another woman for violence caused by a man. Fuck that shit. This is why it's so hard for rape victims and domestic violence victims to come forward.

They should all be ashamed, especially Phaedra, invoking Michael Brown. I have NEVER.

 

Thank you! I thought for sure this was going to be "all Kenya's fault" because no one here likes Kenya. Thank God that is not the case. I have never seen such violence from a man towards a woman in my life, and I hope to never see it again. That push was HARD. I watched it multiple times in shock. I can't believe a grown man would do that to his own aunt and blame it on Kenya for asking him to leave. Wow, when people ask me to leave I have the right to beat their asses? Good to know. I'll be sure to throw in some racist, misogynistic, homophobic or whatever language best fits the situation for good measure. Because ya know once someone asks me to leave their home I'm no longer responsible for my actions. Ugh. I am so disgusted and disappointed. BTW: The way the nephew was acting towards Kandi WAS creepy, and women should not tolerate that shit.

 

Phaedra should know better, after the hammer incident with Apollo.

 

And Kim Fields can take several seats. The way she had to keep insisting she left because she was worried for her safety and NOT because she missed her husband. We see you, and we don't need to hear you lie repeatedly.

Edited December 21, 2015 by Granimal

[charma]

I'm going to say this before I read any of the posts.

I don't like Phaedra or Porsha but I would neverrr cosign a man abusing or disrespecting them.

Wouldn't do it. I'd take their side in that instance because no matter what I think of them personally, its never okay for a man to abuse them. I had apprehension about Porsha going out with that guy by herself.

 

Shamea was the only one to tell to be careful.

 

[swankie]

I don't think dude getting aggressive was Kenya's fault but I did laugh at how Kenya didn't start getting uncomfortable until it was clear Glen was into Sheree & not the least bit interested in Kenya...

 

 

I thought that at first, but after seeing Kenya's expression after the guy told her she needed to find another way to address him, I could tell that up until that point, Kenya thought they were just having playful banter back and forth.  The guy's aggression was blaring like a strobe light at that point.  I don't blame her for getting up and leaving his space and letting Tammy know that he needed to go.  This guy was a straight up asshole and his little troll friend too.  It's a shame that we have to see yet another black man show aggression against another person on this show.  So far, the only male character on this show that is a gentleman is Leon and he's not from Atlanta.  I don't know anything about Glen, but his mom must really be proud....except NOT!  Whoever raised him raised a complete Jerk!  I can't stand Kenya, but this incident was not her fault.  The Jerk needed to be put down!

 

ETA -- After seeing this episode I hope no NBA team recruits Glen the Jerk! 

Edited December 21, 2015 by swankie

[The Mighty Peanut]

Yeah, what is with Porsha being ok with being called the Queen of those hos over there? That's not really a joke. They really think that.

Kim Fields is incredibly condescending.

[zoeysmom]

That was odd. I kept thinking, Phaedra has medical training?

Well she does work with corpses, so any heartbeat would be stronger than what she is use to.

[charma]

I couldn't help but notice how quickly Cynthia tried to lay the blame for Glen's behavior on anyone but Glen. She's an expert on giving Peter a pass on stuff he shouldn't be given a pass for and now she's extending that to random drunk guys. Cynthia, sometimes men do things wrong. It's not always a lady's fault.

 

The other thing that made me laugh in this episode was Phaedra reporting to the paramedic that Tammy had a really strong pulse and heartbeat. Phaedra is a doctor now too?  She's so full of nonsense.

I didn't notice Phaedra say that but I did notice her lie to them when she said " She fell on the floor". Not mentioning that she was pushed to the floor by her so-called nephew.

[Bronzedog]

I wasn't surprised about Phaedra and the medical stuff. Phaedra loves knowledge. I just assumed that at some point she had some type of medical training.

[SnarkKitty]

Oh, thanks for mentioning that. It's funny how Kim and Kenya are both at opposite ends of the same doing the most spectrum.

 

Cynthia can get out of here, too, with feeling responsible because she brought Tammy around. What? Tammy didn't do anything! Even if she did, Tammy would be responsible for her own actions, just like Glen, is.

 

I didn't understand Cynthia carrying on like that at all. Not that anyone but Glen is to blame for her being hurt, but if you want to take it back a beat, TAMMY invited Glen to the table, and didn't object to him coming back to the house...and then once there, didn't step up once he started getting mouthy with people. So how exactly is it your fault, Cynthia for being the fake liaison?

 

It was interesting to see them reacting to one another after the altercation. As much as conversations and situations are produced, the reality is in the other moments - like their bickering behind Cynthia's martyr act.

[charma]

The moment he started talking about hos and bitches, he would have to go. I can't have immature people like that around me.

 

The moment he started talking about hos and bitches, he would have to go. I can't have immature people like that around me.

He called them bitch ass bitches when they were in the hot tub with him but his behavior is Kenya's fault. Sick women.

[SnarkKitty]

Oh, thanks for mentioning that. It's funny how Kim and Kenya are both at opposite ends of the same doing the most spectrum.

Cynthia can get out of here, too, with feeling responsible because she brought Tammy around. What? Tammy didn't do anything! Even if she did, Tammy would be responsible for her own actions, just like Glen, is.

 

I didn't understand Cynthia carrying on like that at all. Not that anyone but Glen is to blame for her being hurt, but if you want to take it back a beat, TAMMY invited Glen to the table, and didn't object to him coming back to the house...and then once there, didn't step up once he started getting mouthy with people. So how exactly is it your fault, Cynthia for being the fake liaison?

 

It was interesting to see them reacting to one another after the altercation. As much as conversations and situations are produced, the reality is in the other moments - like their bickering behind Cynthia's martyr act.

 

They must really be relieved he was removed having learned about his recent violent altercation in a crowded club - and subsequent arrest.

[charma]

I didn't understand Cynthia carrying on like that at all. Not that anyone but Glen is to blame for her being hurt, but if you want to take it back a beat, TAMMY invited Glen to the table, and didn't object to him coming back to the house...and then once there, didn't step up once he started getting mouthy with people. So how exactly is it your fault, Cynthia for being the fake liaison?

 

It was interesting to see them reacting to one another after the altercation. As much as conversations and situations are produced, the reality is in the other moments - like their bickering behind Cynthia's martyr act.

 

They must really be relieved he was removed having learned about his recent violent altercation in a crowded club - and subsequent arrest.

He had a gun on him when he was arrested, a gun and drugs. This guy is a real deal thug.

[cooksdelight]

He called them bitch ass bitches when they were in the hot tub with him but his behavior is Kenya's fault. Sick women.

How was his behavior Kenya's fault?

In your next post, you say he had a gun on him and that he's a thug.

I don't understand, which is it?

[lunastartron]

Of course Phaedra has medical training. Remember, she can diagnose bipolarism and substance abuse.

[georgekush]

I think Kim was correct when she said that Kenya was wrong in NOT allowing Tammy to handle her nephew when Kenya told her they had to leave. Tammy got them to the front door and then Kenya had to put her 2 cents in and made the situation worse, it went from bad to CRAZY because of that. IMO, Kenya has to keep poking and poking until she gets a reaction from whoever so that she can JUSTIFY why she poked them in the first place to begin with. JMO

Exactly. If I was actually afraid of someone, I would go into my room until their relative (Tammy) escorted them out. There is no way I would poke The bear as they were literally walking out the front door. Kenya was just being messy as usual. Obviously not excusing Glen's crazy behavior but without Kenya's provocation the incident would have never gone there.

[swankie]

That was odd. I kept thinking, Phaedra has medical training?

 

 

I didn't think it was all that odd.  Anyone with CPR training knows that part of the procedure is to let the emergency team know if the person is breathing and has a pulse. 

[Mozelle]

Oh, thanks for mentioning that. It's funny how Kim and Kenya are both at opposite ends of the same doing the most spectrum.

 

Cynthia can get out of here, too, with feeling responsible because she brought Tammy around. What? Tammy didn't do anything! Even if she did, Tammy would be responsible for her own actions, just like Glen, is.

 

The Atlanta franchise is the most infuriating when it comes on to attitudes towards women. I'm annoyed that THOT is thrown around so frequently and Porsha seems to be okay with it.

 

I really dislike that word. I don't have enough words to explain just how horrible I find it. 

 

I didn't notice Phaedra say that but I did notice her lie to them when she said " She fell on the floor". Not mentioning that she was pushed to the floor by her so-called nephew.

 

I noticed that, too. If Phaedra is making grand leaps to BLM to explain away Glen's aggression and violence, it makes sense that she would lie about how Tammy ended up on the floor. Why Phaedra would want to protect this man whom she's known for only a few hours is beyond me. 

[Showthyme]

More Sheree, less Kim. That is all.

[charma]

How was his behavior Kenya's fault?

In your next post, you say he had a gun on him and that he's a thug.

I don't understand, which is it?

I was giving a statement of how they think. You know by my posts I don't think it was Kenya's fault.

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Phaedra can take her fat ass right off of this show with that "white women in suburbia who get scared" bullshit.