LilyD October 15, 2021 Share October 15, 2021 On 9/15/2021 at 2:44 AM, Cetacean said: Weren't there postings about his cavities a while back? Maybe letting him suck a pacifier for years on end isn't such a great idea. Both my daughter and I are currently wearing braces (brackets) and I learned quite a bit about orthodontics and teeth in general because of it. Apparently, the biggest damage in pacifiers and thumb sucking that you develop bad tongue habits (called tongue pressure) and learn to swallow the wrong way. Both habits make the tongue constantly push against the front teeth which causes the misallignment and/or overbite. (This is why I had to start again with braces after 25 years! I am now trying to change those tongue habits, which is so hard!) Pacifiers don’t cause cavities but may cause issues with speech development. Again, because you train your tongue, jaws, lips and cheeks in the wrong way. The rotten teeth in young kids has 3 big causes: one is starting with candy and cookies at a very young age (I’ve seen 8-month-old babies sucking popsicles!). Then there’s bad dental hygiene (parents thinking that you don’t brush teeth with infants and toddlers) and lastly the worst of all: offering juices in sippy cups or bottles and even put them to bed with those… Axel is no exception with his teeth unfortunately…. 5 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7062782
Pickleinthemiddle October 16, 2021 Share October 16, 2021 17 hours ago, LilyD said: Both my daughter and I are currently wearing braces (brackets) and I learned quite a bit about orthodontics and teeth in general because of it. Apparently, the biggest damage in pacifiers and thumb sucking that you develop bad tongue habits (called tongue pressure) and learn to swallow the wrong way. Both habits make the tongue constantly push against the front teeth which causes the misallignment and/or overbite. (This is why I had to start again with braces after 25 years! I am now trying to change those tongue habits, which is so hard!) Pacifiers don’t cause cavities but may cause issues with speech development. Again, because you train your tongue, jaws, lips and cheeks in the wrong way. The rotten teeth in young kids has 3 big causes: one is starting with candy and cookies at a very young age (I’ve seen 8-month-old babies sucking popsicles!). Then there’s bad dental hygiene (parents thinking that you don’t brush teeth with infants and toddlers) and lastly the worst of all: offering juices in sippy cups or bottles and even put them to bed with those… Axel is no exception with his teeth unfortunately…. I had a cousin who had to have all of her child's baby teeth filled, then when the new ones came in, all those were filled. Yes she gave her bottles with juice or soda and let her have candy. I don't know if she brushed her teeth or not. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7064030
ginger90 October 19, 2021 Share October 19, 2021 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7069637
NoWhammies October 19, 2021 Share October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, ginger90 said: Settling into my stereotype? #itsfineimfine? What on earth is she referring to? 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7069788
Cetacean October 19, 2021 Share October 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, NoWhammies said: Settling into my stereotype? #itsfineimfine? What on earth is she referring to? Is she referring to her "Mama" shirt? With these morons, it's hard to tell. Translating Brown-speak is exhausting. 3 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7069801
Sasha888 October 19, 2021 Share October 19, 2021 The always low-key complaining, cryptic type of bullshit she posts annoys me. It's as though she thinks she's "settled" for this (two cute kids and a lovely home, how rough for you, Princess). I'd like to know what earth shattering things Ms. NeverCompletesAnything believes she'd be doing if she wasn't "saddled" with these darn children. She's the female equivalent of that jock you knew in school who has made nothing of his adult life, but continually reminds you that he "coulda gone pro if it wasn't for my bum knee." 5 15 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7069828
Popular Post Joan of Argh October 19, 2021 Popular Post Share October 19, 2021 I think maddie sees herself as an accomplished, entrepreneur and sophisticated rebel who can handle anything that comes at her so she finds it funny to be photographed doing the stereotypical stay at home mom things like sitting on the porch with her kids and their pumpkins because in her lofty opinion it doesn’t reflect who she is at all 🎃 In reality she’s exactly that… a basic young woman who’s never completed anything and has resorted to reality tv and pyramid schemes to help finance her stay at home lifestyle while still talking a big game! The Browns sure have high opinions of themselves and GIANT egos! 🙄 26 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7069969
CalicoKitty October 20, 2021 Share October 20, 2021 I think it's interesting that even at her young age, Evy has learned to cover her right hand in pictures. That's the hand that had surgery to unfuse the fingers and make them into a useable "pincer". She always looks so happy and well cared for, and is such a cutie. I'm glad she seems to be doing so well. Especially since health care seems low on the Brown list. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7071980
deirdra October 21, 2021 Share October 21, 2021 How much does this fambly spend on matching or coordinated customized T-shirts? For one of the pregnancies or birth-gender reveals I recall Maddie & Caleb having coordinating shirts. Rather than make a simple & clear announcement they waited for someone to read and interpret their T-shirt messages. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7072562
sheshark October 21, 2021 Share October 21, 2021 Pumkpins? 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7073163
Sandy W October 21, 2021 Share October 21, 2021 25 minutes ago, sheshark said: Pumkpins? She must learn to pay attention. Transposing one letter or number when administering medication in her latest career choice, could have fatal consequences for a patient. 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7073219
laurakaye October 21, 2021 Share October 21, 2021 On 10/19/2021 at 1:30 PM, ginger90 said: Huh? What is your "stereotype," Maddie? A "mom?" Do moms have a stereotype? Are you saying all moms are supposed to love decorating for fall? But I'm so glad to know that you're "fine" that your kids didn't notice the work that went into the decorating of your porch. Typically kids don't notice that stuff, just saying. And I can follow most of your inane hashtags except for "peakaxelandeviespumkpins." Are you saying the "pumkpins" are at their peak? Or did you mean "peek?" Neither one makes sense so why don't you go back to studying to be a brain surgeon or whatever your latest career choice is, put down your phone, and stop low-key throwing your kids under the bus. #extracrabbytoday 16 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7073605
iwantcookies October 21, 2021 Share October 21, 2021 She chose to have kids, she wants a medal for that? 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7073710
ginger90 October 21, 2021 Share October 21, 2021 Screenshot from a video, in which Maddie says, he begged and begged for a bag of frozen strawberries. I thought it was going to be that she gave him a couple. No, she gave him the bag, and he went outside to eat them on the slide they are going to put on a swing set. Am I just cranky, or is this sad? 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7073808
Joan of Argh October 21, 2021 Share October 21, 2021 37 minutes ago, ginger90 said: Screenshot from a video, in which Maddie says, he begged and begged for a bag of frozen strawberries. I thought it was going to be that she gave him a couple. No, she gave him the bag, and he went outside to eat them on the slide they are going to put on a swing set. Am I just cranky, or is this sad? Who gives a small child an entire bag of frozen strawberries?!?! and why is he begging and begging for frozen strawberries?… I mean I guess they’re ok but not something I’d want to eat by the bag full….Is he having sugar cravings or something??? Oh wait stupid me they’re all on plexus and don’t have strange cravings. 🙄 15 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7073866
deirdra October 21, 2021 Share October 21, 2021 He'll probably have digestive issues. 4 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7073970
lindalouwho October 21, 2021 Share October 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, deirdra said: He'll probably have digestive issues. It’s in the gene pool. 9 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7073980
Joan of Argh October 22, 2021 Share October 22, 2021 5 hours ago, ginger90 said: Screenshot from a video, in which Maddie says, he begged and begged for a bag of frozen strawberries. I thought it was going to be that she gave him a couple. No, she gave him the bag, and he went outside to eat them on the slide they are going to put on a swing set. Am I just cranky, or is this sad? What’s going on with that window frame all the paint is peeling off… I hope it’s not lead paint. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7074413
Kbo October 22, 2021 Share October 22, 2021 19 hours ago, Joan of Argh said: What’s going on with that window frame all the paint is peeling off… I hope it’s not lead paint. Looks like what happens if you use latex paint over oil-based paint. Learned that one the hard way 🤦♀️ 5 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7075609
ginger90 October 23, 2021 Share October 23, 2021 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7077152
Gramto6 October 23, 2021 Share October 23, 2021 (edited) Puppies...Awwww so cute! I hope they take good care of them. Why does she have to say the snarky comment about Axel's dirty face? What is wrong with this woman?? Puppies might be too high energy for Evie... Edited October 23, 2021 by Gramto6 15 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7077223
Roslyn October 23, 2021 Share October 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Gramto6 said: Puppies...Awwww so cute! I hope they take good care of them. Why does she have to say the snarky comment about Axel's dirty face? What is wrong with this woman?? Knowing Social Media, she says that to let people know she is fully aware that his face is dirty to try to stop anyone from needing to point it out. However, people always do anyway. Its nice to see him happy with the puppy. I very much hope that she guides him to care and properly treat a dog/puppy so it isn't a free for all "MY DOG" kind of thing. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7077232
Gramto6 October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 (edited) Harkening back to our conversations of Axel riding on dad's lap on the lawnmower...my next door neighbor has a tractor/backhoe thingy that when his grands come over they either ride in his lap driving it or sit in the bucket raised a good 6+' off the ground. 2 or 3 little kids side by side in the bucket driving around the yard. It scares the carp out of me, if one of those little kids fell out they would be run over before he could do anything! It just boggles my mind how irresponsible some people can be. Edited October 24, 2021 by Gramto6 wrong word, sorry grammar police! :) 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7077265
Teafortwo October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Gramto6 said: Harking back to our conversations of Axel riding on dad's lap on the lawnmower...my next door neighbor has a tractor/backhoe thingy that when his grands come over they either ride in his lap driving it or sit in the bucket raised a good 6+' off the ground. 2 or 3 little kids side by side in the bucket driving around the yard. It scares the carp out of me, if one of those little kids fell out they would be run over before he could do anything! It just boggles my mind how irresponsible some people can be. People are terrible. Not all people but.... re the puppies, I hope they'll train them properly. I doubt they will, but dogs need to know their place in the family so they can relax. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7077453
LilyD October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 Am I the only one who is cringing about the puppy news?? Sorry, but I already seriously doubt some of her parenting skills (especially with taking the easiest/least resistance/laziest route as in give them what they want to prevent any form of tantrum) and now she doesn’t take just one, but two puppies?? Key words when raising puppies are consistency and a lot of attention. I give it a year at best and then they’ll be gone. Mark my words. … 15 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7077940
Absolom October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 Of the Brown family members, Maddie would be in the top 3 of who should not get a puppy much less two. 17 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7077978
Fosca October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 They'd have been much better off adopting an adult dog (already housebroken) that could hold its own with the family. As soon as the puppies get to the adolescent no-longer-cute and (most likely) untrained stage, it may get ugly. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7077981
Cetacean October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 57 minutes ago, LilyD said: Am I the only one who is cringing about the puppy news?? Nope, I was appalled. She has no business getting a puppy with the issues she has with her kids. Puppies are a HUGE amount of work and, has been said, need discipline and consistency. I can just imagine her tossing a bag of dog treats out in the yard to keep them busy and out of her hair. 21 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7077996
Sandy W October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, Cetacean said: I can just imagine her tossing a bag of dog treats out in the yard to keep them busy and out of her hair. Standard operating procedure for Maddie. She tosses her son outside with a whole bag of frozen strawberries simply because it was easier than explaining to him--- a) The waste when he could not consume the whole bag, and b) There are some digestive issues even Plexus cannot fix if he ate enough of them. 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7078023
WhatAmIWatching October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 (edited) She's already screwing it up. The puppies eyes in the first pic looks to me like they're really scared. She should be comforting them and keeping things low key to help them acclimate. Instead, I see Axel reaching to grab one from above/behind. eta: how soon will the complaints and snarky comments start with the puppies on her SM? I don't like how she trashes and complains about her own kids already. Edited October 24, 2021 by WhatAmIWatching Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7078031
iwantcookies October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 #bestmomever #plexus #bestdogmomever seriously I am sad for the poor dogs! 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7078042
xwordfanatik October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 I hope at least Caleb has a heart for animals, and can explain things to the kids about caring for them. These pups look like they'll get big. Yes, it would have been better IMO to get an adult dog. Maddie the whiny whiner is going to do nothing but complain about them, seems to me. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7078115
LilyD October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Cetacean said: . I can just imagine her tossing a bag of dog treats out in the yard to keep them busy and out of her hair. Now I’m thinking about the huge amount of dog poo in the yard…. She doesn’t seem like the dog walker type, much less someone who picks it up and gets rid of it. Imagine Axel and Evi having to play in that yard… 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7078144
Elodia October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 I guess dog walking will be one of Ysabel's tasks. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7078157
Joan of Argh October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 27 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said: I hope at least Caleb has a heart for animals, and can explain things to the kids about caring for them. These pups look like they'll get big. Yes, it would have been better IMO to get an adult dog. Maddie the whiny whiner is going to do nothing but complain about them, seems to me. Is Ysabel still living there?? she’ll probably be tasked with puppy duty 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7078160
Twopper October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, WhatAmIWatching said: eta: how soon will the complaints and snarky comments start with the puppies on her SM? I don't like how she trashes and complains about her own kids already. I wonder if she picked that up from her own mother. She was basically raised by Christine and Logan. 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7078164
DakotaJustice October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 I have a bad feeling about those poor puppies. And agree that they should have adopted an adult dog. Hopefully I'm wrong...but Maddie doesn't seem like a warm and kind Dog Person. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7078222
Cetacean October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, DakotaJustice said: Hopefully I'm wrong...but Maddie doesn't seem like a warm and kind Dog Person. Well, if she takes after dear old dad the pups will be swiftly dispatched for any incidents. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7078224
Fosca October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 Those look like Labradors, and while they are great dogs they will get big FAST, and many of them are a combination of stubborn and dumb that makes training them difficult. Having not just one but two big untrained dogs who each have roughly the pulling power of one of those tractors they so love will make things really, um, interesting. Hopefully Caleb knows what he got into getting them, and doesn't rely on Ysabel or Maddie (or the kids!) to train them. As for snarky comments, I suspect within a week they will start (and the cynical part of me says "tomorrow"). 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7078264
LilyD October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 39 minutes ago, Fosca said: Those look like Labradors, and while they are great dogs they will get big FAST, and many of them are a combination of stubborn and dumb that makes training them difficult. Yes, they’re labradors but labradors. Actually, they’re incredibly smart (hence their use as guide dogs for instance) And smart is a way bigger problem than dumb and stubborn. If these dogs aren’t properly trained, exercised and challenged, they’ll develop their own pastimes with disastrous consequences. 2 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7078316
Joan of Argh October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 I’m hoping Caleb has a clue and knows how to train dogs, he had his longtime hunting dog that just died a year or so ago and from what I saw he seemed to really love that dog (I could be wrong but that’s the impression I got from pictures etc) I’m guessing that he wants to raise the pups up to be his new hunting dogs. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7078323
xwordfanatik October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 I forgot Ysabel was living there. Now I hope they don't make her do pooper scooper duty. Big dogs = big poop. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7078436
ginger90 October 24, 2021 Share October 24, 2021 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7078472
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Elodia October 25, 2021 Share October 25, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, DakotaJustice said: but Maddie doesn't seem like a warm and kind Dog Person. Maddie doesn't seem like a warm and kind person in general. Edited October 25, 2021 by Elodia 16 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7079641
Elodia October 25, 2021 Share October 25, 2021 19 hours ago, Cetacean said: Puppies are a HUGE amount of work and, has been said, need discipline and consistency. Maddie certainly didn't find out about Littermate syndrome. Maybe it would have been better if she had informed herself in advance. But, hey, Plexus will also handle this problem. 1 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7079798
LilyD October 25, 2021 Share October 25, 2021 36 minutes ago, Elodia said: Maddie certainly didn't find out about Littermate syndrome. Maybe it would have been better if she had informed herself in advance. But, hey, Plexus will also handle this problem. Oh yes…. If they develop litter mate syndrome, (they probably will) it’s going to be fun! So, a lab x german shepherd mix eh? Well, as a former breeder of shepherds I have to say that I don’t see it. Maybe when they’re bigger. If this is true, the puppy show is going to be great fun! German shepherds are amazing family dogs but need an experienced and consistent boss. Btw…one of ghe smartest breeds there is. let the show begin….. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7079831
Sandy W October 25, 2021 Share October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Elodia said: Maddie certainly didn't find out about Littermate syndrome. Maybe it would have been better if she had informed herself in advance. But, hey, Plexus will also handle this problem. I had never heard of Littermate syndrome and Mr. Google helped me out with that, thanks for leading me to this information. Raising littermates apparently presents a challenge for even experienced trainers and 2 females even more so. Maddie and Caleb should have done some readily available research before purchase but fingers should also be pointed at the breeder that allowed this potentially dangerous situation to present itself in a family with 2 little kids. There is NO WAY Maddie and Caleb will follow the mandates for successfully raising littermates with regard to separate crating, feeding, walks and playtime. I fear for those puppies. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7079948
Fosca October 25, 2021 Share October 25, 2021 I doubted very much this was a planned breeding, until I discovered that a "Sheprador" is apparently a thing. The owner of the mom was still probably glad to find them homes and probably didn't know about littermate syndrome either. I suspect they'll have the puppies do everything together because it's so cute, until it's too late. I didn't know Caleb was a dog person; I figured they bought them from a pet store, hence the comment about their not being bright (puppymill labs are not bred for their intelligence, which my sister found out the hard way). 2 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7080096
LilyD October 25, 2021 Share October 25, 2021 A couple of years ago, quite a few cars in the UK were sporting stickers with “Dogs are for life, not just for Christmas.” Which is spot on. I have a gut feeling Maddie went out for groceries, accidentally bumped into puppies and bought them instead. If she’d been seriously planning,I’m sure her SM would have been full of preparations, maybe a puppy count-down or whatever. 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/32972-maddie-brown-seeking-a-one-woman-man/page/52/#findComment-7080149
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