S01.E22: Rogue Air

[Trini]

 

 But damn, that fight was good.

 

You guys are killing me.

 

What did Caitlin say to Cisco when she went rage-y and attacked him?

 

She was blaming him for Ronnie. I don't recall the exact words.

[TwistedandBored]

The episode was so and so. It is probably because I was expecting more of everything really.

More face-off with the Rogues and more Reverse Flash.

 

I love Iris but last week she was undecided about who she wants to be and this week she is all about Eddie. Seriously decide one thing for her and stick with it writers. Also, this is a good time for Iris to be involved instead of sidelined. These writers and their treatment of Iris pisses me off.

 

I love Cold because he was unapologetic about who he is. It is Barry who forgot that Cold is not a villain because of some childhood trauma or whatever. He just loves the thrill of being bad. 

 

I love how during the fight with Reverse Flash. Oliver kept getting shinning moments like even they knew he was the weakest link. LOL

 

Also, Flash writers just sort dissed Oliver and "understanding" with Malcolm. The man who murdered 500 people by saying Barry is a better superhero. LMAO!

[Sakura12]

They really are showing how pointless it was keeping Iris in the dark.

Barry's still an idiot. Isn't he supposed to be 25/26, why does he act like he's a teenager?

[foreverevolving]

 

No one chews scenery like Wentworth Miller. He looks like he's having a blast in this role.

 

 

I'll take your WM, and i'll raise you one John Barrowman or one Tom Cavanagh if we're sticking to Arrow stars.

Edited May 13, 2015 by foreverevolving

[Jazzy24]

Wentworth is chomping on the scenery in all of its glory. And the Amell cousins are ridiculous good looking apart as it is, I think I was on the floor when they were side by side.

I think they're brothers

[calliope1975]

Wentworth Miller made the ep for me. I enjoyed his double cross and speechifying about not trusting the villain. I was a bit disappointed in the final fight which I thought I would love when it started. I have no idea why/how/when Oliver and Ronnie showed up especially with what's going on on Arrow right now.

 

I also liked DA lady. She is not here for any of Joe's crazy shit. 

[bmoore4026]

Now I know what gets under my skin about superhero comics ('though I still love my superheroes) - keeping all the super powered criminals in a special prison just for super powered people isn't the best option in containing them.  A better solution would be having one super power containment cell in prisons across the country (and we do have a lot) and keeping them spread out.  Then things like what happened tonight with the Rogues will be considerably lessened.

 

But no.  The good guys in superhero comics are inherently stupid.

 

Also, thank you, show, for spoiling Arrow for us.  Couldn't have waited a week, could you?

 

And Eddie needs hugs.  All the hugs for Eddie.

Edited May 13, 2015 by bmoore4026

[Jediknight]

Also, thank you, show, for spoiling Arrow for us.  Couldn't have waited a week, could you?

Last week's promo after Arrow already did that.

[bmoore4026]

Last week's promo after Arrow already did that.

 

I meant going back to being The Arrow instead of just Oliver Queen.

[phoenics]

I think they're brothers

Cousins.

Also on another note - did anyone catch a flash of chemistry between Caitlin and Eddie when Caitlin was tending to him? Maybe it was because Eddie was kinda being a bit dickish to Iris (who has no idea what the future holds and has stood by Eddie)... I wonder why Eddie was weird with Iris (in that scene) but didn't hold any ire for Barry. That's odd to me. I do think Eddie is doing right by trying to step away though - he knows it's 3 of them in that relationship. He's right to end it... but I'm surprised Iris let him go. I thought she'd try to stay in denial.

I do think this means Barry is about to wipe all of this out.

The DA was awesome.

Iris was really awesome knocking out Peek-A-Boo. Wow that was awesome... Cait should thank her lucky stars Iris was there.

That scene with Barry and Iris in the cafe? Um - that was CHEMISTRY laden... it actually caught me off guard... Barry usually doesn't touch Iris that way - and they definitely haven't looked at each other like that so openly before... except that kiss in 1x15. Even 1x21 didn't quite have that charged look like in this episode. Well done GG and CP. I think my theory that they've been holding back has legs.

Barry trying to be Arrow - I don't get that. I thought we resolved all that in the first crossover. I loved seeing Arrow and Firestorm there helping Barry - he could barely hold in the smile until they got there. And even though I really kinda am salty with Arrow for stealing Batman's identity, he definitely held his own against RF just like Bats could hold his own against any number of super powered villains.

I wonder if Caitlin's rage fest on poor Cisco will come into play later on?

Cisco and Golden Glider were really entertaining to watch... I halfway ship them... what's that GoldenVibe? Cait's comical reactions to Cisco/GG were funny - though it did bring up some heavy KillerVibes for me, lol.

Also - what did Snart write on the note to Barry detailing what he wanted in exchange for his help when Barry first asked? I wasn't clear on whether or not that was what he eventually did for Snart, or if Snart picked something else. Anyone else know?

I felt parts of this episode dragged a bit.

Oh - were Barry and Iris wearing the same color?

Edited May 13, 2015 by phoenics

[Lantern7]

Anybody else feel that there was too much hype about the three-on-one fight with Reverse Flash in the commercials? That was anticlimactic, even if Wells/Eobard planned on getting captured. BTW, anybody else tickled that the Amells were credited together?

 

I still think Jada Pinkett-Smith sets the bar as far as munching on scenery is concerned, but Wentworth Miller doesn't do too badly in that department. However, I think he looks cooler because Barry is the fastest goober alive. No insurance in case of a double-cross? Silly Barry. Now Cap's got Heat Wave, Golden Glider, and four new "Rogues" to play with . . . and there's a telepathic gorilla wandering Central City looking to hurt people.

 

Thinking about Golden Glider . . . why do I figure there's going to be tearful wanking in Cisco's future? Poor guy. His heart says "no," the rest of him says, "Well, let's see where this girl takes us."

 

Ollie lives to be 86? I call bullshit. However, if Wells wasn't lying, I'd say Oliver dies kvetching about crap that happened to him when he was 81.

[madhacker]

I loved the episode too but I do have one question: why on earth didn't Caitlin hook up a sedative iv to the prisoners and keep them unconscious just to be on the safe side? She's a medical doctor right?

 

While I'm glad Ray hooked up Oliver with some nano-tech arrows why didn't he also send a cargo plane for the metas? I'm pretty sure the company owns quite a few of them (Also I'm kinda disappointed that he didn't show up to help just so we could watch Reverse Flash kick his ass).

 

Also I'm kinda surprised that Waller didn't show herself to take care of the metas. This sort of stuff is what she lives for.

Edited May 13, 2015 by madhacker

[phoenics]

I loved the episode too but I do have one question: why on earth didn't Caitlin hook up a sedative iv to the prisoners and keep them unconscious just to be on the safe side? She's a medical doctor right?

Same reason they didn't have Caitlin inject the shapeshifter (Everyman) with the serum BEFORE Iris and Caitlin tried to take him in. Plot contrivances.

[thuganomics85]

Oh, Barry!  I knew that was not going to end well for him.  Snart might be the least trustworthy person in Central City, and bringing his little sis along, didn't make it any better.  I get that he was desperate, but they really should have been more prepared.  Sigh.... I know that Joe claiming he isn't the "Arrow" was meant to be positive, and there are aspects about Barry that are better then Oliver, but at the same time, Oliver does seem to know when to trust bad guys, and went not too.  Then again, that has now caused him to be isolated from all of his friends and currently heading an assassin club where he was forced into a marriage with someone who probably hates him.  So really, both of them are kind of screwed up.  No wonder they make a good team.

 

I know four out of five of them are bad, but I kind of loved that the metahumans escaped.  Considering what was happening to them was illegal as all get-out, it was kind of nice watching it come back to bite Team Flash in the ass.  And I still think Peek-A-Boo in general, really didn't deserve that.  I get their was more to it and everything, but it never felt like they even tried to find an alternative, so I enjoyed this.  Plus, it seems like a set-up to be part of "The Rouges."  I wonder if any of them will be showing up with Captain Cold over on the spin-off.

 

Disappointed that Iris was back to normal with Joe and Barry.  I get that getting their asses handed to them by Grodd was a decent punishment, but she still should have had issues over all they kept from her.  At least she had an awesome moment by saving Caitlin.  You see, Joe!  She can be more then helpful!

 

Eddie is taking what Eobard said to heart, and broke up with Iris.  Normally, I would say don't trust your kidnapper, but in this case, I think Eobard is right.  Barry/Iris will probably happen sooner then later.  Quit while you are head, Eddie.

 

Reverse Flash vs. Flash, Arrow, and Firestorm was fun.  Clearly RF held his own, and probably could have easily handled them all one-on-one, but in the end, they wore him down.  I have no idea what they are going to do with him, but I have to think this isn't the last of him.  If nothing else, Grodd might show back up to break his "dad" out of whatever lock-up they put him in.

 

Part of me thinks Cisco should just go ahead and go for it with Golden Glider, but then another part of me just thinks would it really be worth it?  Even moving past her being cray-cray, do you really want Snart as your girlfriend's brother?  Not sure it's worth it!  

Edited May 13, 2015 by thuganomics85

[phoenics]

Run Cisco! Ruuuuunnnnn!!!!

[AyChihuahua]

I'd really like to know how Barry got in touch with Oliver, how he got away from Ra's (from Nanda after the wedding? did Firestorm pick him up? if Firestorm picked him up why didn't he kill or at least defeat the LOA, seeing as how he's incredibly powerful? or from last week when Oliver was in Starling? did Barry pick him up? when? has he been chilling at a Super 8 until needed? except Ra's would not put up with him going missing for days) to come help, when Ray came up with that nanite arrow, how did Oliver even know about it, how Oliver got it (did he go ask Ray for it, meaning RAY knew Oliver was still good but Oliver didn't tell his team? except Ray was with the team in Nanda to get the virus).

 

Nothing makes sense. I mean, Arrow is written by idiots, but I typically expect more of Flash writers.

[phoenics]

Apparently the episodes are out of sync.

[bettername2come]

Run Cisco! Ruuuuunnnnn!!!!

 

 

That reminds me, random funny scene in the episode: Cisco takes off running to the particle accelerator while Barry stays in the Cortex. Barry staying still while Cisco runs is just inherently funny to me.

[ottoDbusdriver]

I still think Peek-A-Boo in general, really didn't deserve that.

 

I thought Peek-a-boo could only teleport to places she could see, so the first thing she does when Wells lets her out is teleport around a corner.  How exactly ?

[AyChihuahua]

That's the thing, there's no period of time in which it does makes sense.

[foreverevolving]

ohh speaking of which, I really did enjoy Cisco scenes with Golden Glider.. they have some nice chemistry. and she seems to kind of really like him...in her own psycho way. I can totally ship it. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

I don't care how stupid Barry was for deleting Cold's info. I LOVED this episode.

 

GO IRIS!

 

Though I do think Barry should have had Cold help and THEN delete. But whatever.

 

And I think Ollie just injected Reverse Flash with more nano-nites.

[ruby24]

They really are showing how pointless it was keeping Iris in the dark.

Barry's still an idiot. Isn't he supposed to be 25/26, why does he act like he's a teenager?

Well, a lot of twentysomethings do, so I guess it makes sense. Plus, he's such a goodie-goodie, I buy that he would totally screw up trying to "walk on the dark side."

 

I am SO sick of the Eddie stuff, please let this really be the end of that dull as dishwater relationship. I have a bad feeling Barry's going to wipe this stuff out, but if that seriously leads to more Eddie/Iris in Season 2, I'm going to be super pissed. We've never been given a single reason to care about Eddie, it's best to just get rid of him. We know/care so little about him that it's baffling to see Iris care so much- that's probably a fault of the writing, since we all know Eddie has only existed at all to keep Barry/Iris apart, but either way, it's way past time for that to be over.

 

And it kinda bugs me that she constantly has be told how she really feels by the men in her life, but what's worse is that they're right! We know they're right because she herself admitted it in 1x15, so continuing to be this in denial really makes her look bad. Afraid of her feelings, wishy-washy, etc. which are not really good traits. I hate it when women are made out to be so indecisive and weak that way. We know how she feels, and everyone else on the show does too, so what on earth is it going to take? Geez.

Edited May 13, 2015 by ruby24

[Shriekingeel]

Cisco's line "UNDER DURESS!" made me lol.

I thought Miller and List stole every scene they were in.

[phoenics]

Well, a lot of twentysomethings do, so I guess it makes sense. Plus, he's such a goodie-goodie, I buy that he would totally screw up trying to "walk on the dark side."

 

I am SO sick of the Eddie stuff, please let this really be the end of that dull as dishwater relationship. I have a bad feeling Barry's going to wipe this stuff out, but if that seriously leads to more Eddie/Iris in Season 2, I'm going to be super pissed. We've never been given a single reason to care about Eddie, it's best to just get rid of him. We know/care so little about him that it's baffling to see Iris care so much- that's probably a fault of the writing, since we all know Eddie has only existed at all to keep Barry/Iris apart, but either way, it's way past time for that to be over.

 

And it kinda bugs me that she constantly has be told how she really feels by the men in her life, but what's worse is that they're right! We know they're right because she herself admitted it in 1x15, so continuing to be this in denial really makes her look bad. Afraid of her feelings, wishy-washy, etc. which are not really good traits. I hate it when women are made out to be so indecisive and weak that way. We know how she feels, and everyone else on the show does too, so what on earth is it going to take? Geez.

Actually - while I agree that Eddie/Iris should end - I don't think the show is telling us that Iris is wishy washy. What the show is trying to say (and I think they've said it) is that Iris makes a commitment to a guy and sticks with it. So Joe was right about her in that respect. Even if she seems to be conflicted about her feelings, I still think that they're trying to show her as loyal to Eddie. She does love him.

Honestly if Iris left Eddie over some future newspaper article, she would be ripped apart by the fandom (who already rips into her on a regular basis anyway - fans were actually mad at her for knocking out Peek a boo on FB).

I think the show is trying to illustrate that Iris stuck with Eddie - so she's not accused of dumping him for Barry. It's much cleaner to have Eddie do the dumping and then let Barry/Iris get together later.

[theschnauzers]

Clearly, the CW's scheduling was a challenge -- remember a few weeks ago when Flash was a repeat and Arrow wasn't? That is what has thrown off the dual timelines of both shows. I've decided to think of it like this -- the events of this episode took place before last Wednesday's episode of Arrow -- when Oliver would have been back in Starling City, and going over to Central City wouldn't have been a problem. And it makes the reference by Oliver about needing a favor back from Barry make more sense, time flow wise.

 

That preview tonight for the finale still makes me think there's going to be some sort of time reset next week. One is the scene in the preview tonight of adult Barry actually with his mom, and I suspect that the reset will take place in a way so that the original Dr. Wells is not murdered by Eobard, but lives (which will allow Tom Cavanaugh to be on Flash next season), [thought of that solution tonight during the episode] and the real Eobard does go back to his time, with the possibility of returning later on..

 

It took me a bit to process howw this episode plays out; and on a second viewing I think I will enjoy it even more. And yes, from what I've read there was a Green Latern easter egg thrown in, and maybe others that the folks better versed in the comic canon that I will notice.

[Gregg247]

The character of Barry Allen is a grown man, isn't he?  I mean, he's not supposed to be a 12 year old kid who happens to be played by an inappropriately-aged actor, right?  Because I have a hard time believing that this 25 year old police scientist, raised by a cop, can show this level of naivete on such a consistent basis.  How can he make so many bad decisions?  He managed to lose all the super-powered criminals he painstakingly caught all season long, he cleared Captain Cold of every crime he's ever committed, and he put all his friends in deadly danger.  It's sad when your primary enemy is laughing at you before the climatic showdown (although I'd think that Dr. Wells would be at least a little ticked off; he worked pretty hard helping Barry catch those guys).

 

Barry is a good guy, and a good person.  I'm afraid, though, that the writers are equating "goodness" with "stupidity".

 

"Golden Glider" sounds like a better name for Reverse Flash when he's riding in his souped-up wheelchair.

[benteen]

Really good episode.  It was a lot of fun with all the metahuman battling going on.

 

Barry was definitely smackable in this episode.  I'm glad Cold made him look like the fool he truly is.  Wentworth Miller has been a blast in the role.

 

Really great seeing Oliver and Firestorm teaming up with Barry to take down Wells.  Actually wasn't expecting Wells to be captured here.  I don't know what the timeline is but I don't know how they're going to explain away Barry not helping Team Arrow with Ra's.  Although somehow I think Ra, like Cold, would find a way to make Barry look like the fool he is.

 

Enjoyed the DA not putting up with Joe's shit.

 

Cisco and GG were fun.

[ottoDbusdriver]

Enjoyed the DA not putting up with Joe's shit.

 

I thought DA Cecile was kind of hot.

[Actionmage]

I thought Peek-a-boo could only teleport to places she could see, so the first thing she does when Wells lets her out is teleport around a corner.  How exactly ?

 

Peek-A-Boo can only teleport to places she's seen. She may have a memory of being put into her box, so 'porting to the catwalk was a place she could have seen before. She also ported her boyfriend out of the police shoot-out. I doubt she had line-of-sight to their car. I think it is similar to the X-Men's Nightcrawler and his ability to teleport.

 

Yeah, Barry?  I have a poker game I want to deal you into. That Ronnie and Oliver decided to come see what had you calling them was lucky. Sidnote: I want Oliver's phone plan; it works in Nanda Parbat!

 

Barry trying to broker a deal with Leonard was sad, as is. That Barry was all ' I've tried to think of everything and I can't come up with something better" sounded very much like " I've looked everywhere" when it came to Eddie. Then the line about not even thinking of looking around the facility Wells spent the most time in? STFU, Barry. I want to like you, but you keep being base stupid. ( Again, The CW need to thank all the gods for Grant Gustin and his inherent charisma.) While   IA with the poster who said that Barry was never Zero Cool (much less Cereal Killer, let's be real)  I am willing to bet that even with Cisco in an assist, that Felicity's computers and records are safe.

 

And I think Ollie just injected Reverse Flash with more nano-nites.

 

I believe it was a mix of nanites and a sedative .Unless the nanites were programmed to manipulate his brain into sleep.

 

Considering what was happening to them was illegal as all get-out, it was kind of nice watching it come back to bite Team Flash in the ass.  And I still think Peek-A-Boo in general, really didn't deserve that.  I get their was more to it and everything, but it never felt like they even tried to find an alternative, so I enjoyed this.

 

ITA.

 

The DA was awesome.

 

DA Cecile can stay as long as she wants! She doesn't put up with Joe's ish and he seems to listen to her. Kudos, ma'am.

[ruby24]

You know, when Barry pulled all those criminal records and implanted that virus, I realized I had completely forgotten that he's also supposed to be kind of a science wiz, since the show has been showing him to be...kinda dumb lately. But back when he first came on Arrow and at the beginning of this season, they did depict him as being this super smart CSI who knows what he's doing and was obsessed with Dr. Wells for a reason.

 

It'd be nice if the show remembered that more often instead of just leaving all the tech talk to Cisco and Caitlin, because for a second there I was like, what? Barry's now a computer genius? Then I remembered, oh yeah he did used to be smart.

[quarks]

Fun episode, even if it felt like filler/yet another launchpad for the upcoming spinoff, and even if it's still not clear how any of this fits into the Arrow timeline.  

 

Good things:

 

1. Loved the DA. An ethical district attorney that thinks about the law and human rights? A competent and ethical district attorney? After the ongoing disasters that have been the stream of (mostly dead) DAs over on Arrow, this was great, especially her refusal to put up with Joe's crap. More of this please.

 

2. On the subject of ethics, loved Peekaboo getting that thought across.

 

3. And loved Iris saving Caitlin. See how much things improve when Iris is in on things, show? Lots.  Not that I was thrilled with everything about Iris in this storyline, but more of that later.

 

4. GREEN LANTERN!  Be still my little heart.  Yes, for the sake of comics history I would have kinda preferred to hear that little tidbit over on Arrow, but Arrow did introduce Ferris Air, so all's good.

 

5. Captain Cold:  "Barry's not really going to be this naive and trusting, is he. Right? Right? He is? This is SO MY DAY."

 

6. Cisco and Golden Glider. I'm shipping them. Even if Cisco and Caitlin aren't.

 

7. The final superhero battle with Arrow (in LoA costume), Firestorm, Flash and Reverse Flash. That was fun.  Bonus for adding in Ray's nanobyte things even if I'm seriously unclear as to when, exactly, Oliver had the opportunity to go get those. 

 

Questionable things:

 

1. So, Oliver Queen lives to be 86, does he? SO MUCH FOR LEAVING US IN SUSPENSE ON ARROW, SHOW.  (Also, what an odd thing for Reverse Flash to remember.  Did he look up all of the Justice League members and memorize how old they were when they died?)

 

2. Crossover continuity, shows. You had it with the first four crossovers. Can we get it back?

 

3. So much of this show felt like more spinoff setup, with the focus on Captain Cold and Firestorm. Sigh. I loved the Justice League stuff, but I'll be even happier when the shows can just be their own shows and not platforms for selling other shows.  And yes, that includes Green Lantern, if that's really next. 

 

Bad things:

 

1. So, we finally get Iris into the plot - and then send her off for the rest of the episode to deal with hurt boyfriend issues. Which compared to the rest of the episode were very boring. Also, I kinda liked Iris and Eddie together, so that was a bit of a bummer.

 

By the way, I have to disagree that we haven't seen much from Eddie - we've been told that before he showed up in Central he had an outstanding arrest record, and we've seen him be heroic several times. So there's reasons for Iris to like him. Admittedly, I'm a bit biased because of the sexy voice.

 

Though really, I'd also be happy with Iris heading off to be awesome all on her own, leaving Barry and Eddie to comfort each other.  Because, sexy voice. 

 

2. Cisco, telling us he didn't know anything about Reverse Flash's device, and seconds later telling us that it would go off in 36 hours. Sigh.

 

3. I know Barry's going through a lot of crap right now. But he's also supposed to be intelligent. Ok, so you only have 36 hours to get these metahumans to another location. And sure, Oliver is in Nanda Parbat and Firestorm is...firestorming. But you do have other options. As someone on this thread said, you have Homeland Security and the CIA. On the show you have ARGUS. You also have the Clancy Brown military guy. And yet you pick Captain Cold? Just because Cold is totally awesome and hasn't told anyone your secret identity yet? Well, ok, those are kinda good reasons, but not great ones. 

[patchwork]

Wow the writers threw Barry under the bus hard to prop up their spin-off. He not only goes to Captain Cold and tells him everything he then fulfils all of Cold's demands before the job is done. Barry has been shown to be naive in the past but this is a whole new level aka the Too Stupid To Live Level.

 

I'm not a fan of mansplaining so I was rolling my eyes at Eddie and couldn't the scene in Jitters have been amended just a little to show Iris has some residual anger? She deserve better writing than this. 

 

Back when I thought the crossovers would be a seasonal event, I foolish dismissed Felicity's first appearance as something they'd set up prior to launch as a way to boost their fledgling spin off, I really I liked the idea but these days we can't go four episodes without one show or the other having a crossover and on top of that is the spinoff that wont do me the favour of dying and I'm sick to death of it all.    

 

I hope Peek-A-Boo goes far, far away and has a nice life and yay for the show finally acknowledging how badly Team Flash were treating the meta humans. With any luck Joe will speak to the captain and some sort of prison will be in place next season. At this point I don't care if we do get the predicable government corruption plotline, I wont be expected to ignore their inhumane actions like I am for our so called heroes.     

[statsgirl]

I felt that this episode was more about setting up the cast for the spin-off than about Barry's story.  I think both Arrow and The Flash suffer when they do that. But I still enjoyed it.  Snort's sneakiness made it for me; I miss that from Wells now that he is an out-and-out villain.

 

Cisco needs a girlfriend because crushing on Laurel and now Snort's sister?  Not a good idea.  But it was funny and so were her asides to Caitlin.

 

I like the DA but she's the wrong age.  I can see them trying to set up a ship with Joe but she seems Iris' age.

 

Speaking of which, Eddie you idiot.  Just because a creepy villain told you that Iris was going to marry Barry you give up like that?  I still prefer Iris with Eddie because that's an adult relationship. With Barry, it seems like a couple of grade 8 kids who got permission to go to the movies together.

 

I'm confused as to where this week's Flash episode (122) fits.  I can handle tomorrow's Arrow finale leading into next week's Flash finale, but how Ollie gets into this week is beyond me.  Unless we're to view this week's as Part I and tomorrow's Arrow leads into tonight.

It seems most likely to me that this fits into the middle of Arrow episode 322 (This is Your Sword) after Ra's does his brainwashing and sends Oliver to his tailor, and before Oliver realizes he needs help (yet again) and sends Malcolm to try to convince Team Arrow to come.  When Joe asked Barry why he didn't get Oliver to help,  Barry replied that Oliver was in some place called Nanda Parbat.

 

When Ray and Felicity visited Central City earlier, it was in the middle of Arrow episode 317 too.  I guess this is how they're making the timelines on both shows work after the CW messed them up before.

[MarkHB]

Also... Was that a Green Lantern by comment from barry? about the pilot that went missing?

I'm not familiar with the Lantern mythology.

Wish they would have give us some clue as to when that pilot went missing.

I'm guessing that was a Green Lantern nod; in the original continuity (way back, pre-Crisis) Hal Jordan didn't go missing, he continued working as a test pilot when he wasn't off doing the Guardians' bidding.  I have no idea what story, if any, the Berlanti Mob is thinking of using if they ever introduce GL.  (And really, if the CW couldn't afford a decent budget for Supergirl, I have my doubts that they'd be able to fund a decent power ring.)

[catrice2]

Has no one even considered the possibility that the headline was a plant?  I don't think it was, but it would seem to me that now that they know that Wells knew their every move and had cameras on them, someone would consider that he planted the news story, or even that he was still in the facility. Also, since they know that he is capable of mind control (with Clancy Brown's character who escapes my mind/) why are they just accepting that Eddie is o.k. and has not been compromised in some way?  Or that there was a reason that RF wanted them to find him? Are we also to believe that while he was in the same place RF did not zip out and get his battery out of the wheelchair? It is not as if they have stayed or secured STAR Labs since he was found out.  Why would he leave that in the wheelchair?  Does this all mean that Gideon doesn't work anymore?  

 

I continue to say that the show's biggest failure is selling us that these are super "smart" people and then having them do dumb things.  For a second in the last few episodes they looked as if they were going to "grow" Barry up enough to make me believe that he could be in a real relationship, and then they make him act like a stupid teenager. Why must he be incompetent in his love life, and in his life as a super hero?  At this point, I'm not even sure how competent of a forensic tech he is supposed to be.   This going to Captain Cold was possibly the worst thing the writers could have come up with.  Worse, they had Joe and the gang go along with this plan.  I agree with the poster who said that someone writing this has confused goodness with stupidity.  They are making the character unattractive by having him be so gullible and immature. 

 

The best part about the episode was the Eddie/Iris breakup because they have no chemistry. Then they had to ruin it by having her "fight" for the relationship, when she has already pretty much acknowledged that she feels SOMETHING for Barry that she needs to deal with.  Also kudos for styling Eddie's hair differently, etc. so that he did not look like an eager college freshman anymore. 

 

The only interesting part of the fight was the parts with Oliver.  Sad to be upstaged on your own show.  I'm actually getting pretty bored with Reverse Flash. I enjoy the show more when it is Barry against the criminal of the week, instead of a long arc with a "super" criminal.  Of course you are not going to beat someone who knows everything about you

 

Perhaps Joe can get a girlfriend?  I am preparing myself for some foolishness next week where whatever Barry does with time travel  means that Iris will be back with Eddie, or we will have to endure another season of her "not remembering" who he is or acknowledging her feelings for him. 

[transgojobot]

District Attorney Vonda Mahoney is always welcome.

[ruby24]

 

 

Perhaps Joe can get a girlfriend?  I am preparing myself for some foolishness next week where whatever Barry does with time travel  means that Iris will be back with Eddie, or we will have to endure another season of her "not remembering" who he is or acknowledging her feelings for him. 

God, PLEASE not that. This show has already dragged that part out way too long, and it's starting to make her look really bad that she can't acknowledge her own feelings, even after everyone on the show and the audience knows already. It's time to just face it.

[foreverevolving]

I'm guessing that was a Green Lantern nod; in the original continuity (way back, pre-Crisis) Hal Jordan didn't go missing, he continued working as a test pilot when he wasn't off doing the Guardians' bidding.  I have no idea what story, if any, the Berlanti Mob is thinking of using if they ever introduce GL.  (And really, if the CW couldn't afford a decent budget for Supergirl, I have my doubts that they'd be able to fund a decent power ring.)

I highly doubt he'll be appearing in the DCTVU, aren't they remaking a GL movie? i remember something about a new movie scheduled to come out in the next 5 years or something?

[quarks]

Supposedly the next Green Lantern movie is coming out in 2020. That's so far off I'm not counting on it.

[anarchyangel84]

Ya'll make me wish I would've watched Arrow. Maybe I need to start watching it.

I've read a lot of posts about Barry being immature, stupid, naive for getting Captain Cold involved. He was stupid for not at least putting Colds info on a flash drive or something- just in case he goes back on his word. But I don't call him going to Cold stupid. Barry knows he's a dangerous criminal. When you're desperate though, you do stupid things or things you wouldn't normally do. He really didn't have anyone else to help him. I'm not trying to be rude here, but I'm just curious- what would ya'll have done different? Who would you have gotten to help you? Or would you just have let them die?

[driedfruit]

The actress for the DA is like late 30s/early 40s. She's not that young, not for Joe. She's certainly not around Iris' age, which is 25 (Candice Patton is 26 I think).

[Oscirus]

I'd assume that they lined up Arrow and Flash like this on purpose. Barry'll probably flash those guys out of the gas room. He'll probably then try to take on Raas and get owned.

 

So once again  the showrunners throw away character development in favor of crossovers. You've ruined the novelty of that crap two episodes ago. But now, you've officially worn out their welcome with me. Thanks for that.

 

Did you really just spend a whole episode telling us that Iris was part of the team just to undo that in the next episode? Wow, moving on. But first, why was Iris seemingly cool with this illegal prison?

 

I'm really getting tired of the men in Iris's life making decisions for her. That bullshit excuse about being in a crowded relationship might have worked  in episode 15, but since then it's been you two. Hopefully, Iris fights that destiny foolishness that these moronic men in her life seem determined to trap her in.

 

It is not a good look to have the hero of your show get owned by a villain three out of the four times they meet.  And the only reason you beat him the one time you did is because his plan was so stupid that it was bound to fail.

 

I will give them one thing, I appreciated seeing all the  caged criminals together in all their glory. LOL @ Deathbolt being the only one killed. I sense a little Arrow bias there.

 

I would comment on the final fight but once again, crossovers, yada yada yada...

[dcinmb]

I'm apparently missing something obvious here but why exactly did Team Flash need Snart's help in the first place? So he could ride alongside Cisco's uncle's truck on his obnoxiously loud motorcycle? For Snart's sister's Class A license?

[Trini]

2. Cisco, telling us he didn't know anything about Reverse Flash's device, and seconds later telling us that it would go off in 36 hours. Sigh.

 

He didn't know how it worked, but Cisco was estimating based on the rate at which the Accelerator sections were powering up. 'Word' to everything else, though.

[Oscirus]

I'm apparently missing something obvious here but why exactly did Team Flash need Snart's help in the first place? So he could ride alongside Cisco's uncle's truck on his obnoxiously loud motorcycle? For Snart's sister's Class A license?

 

Backup in case anything went wrong. The sister's license was just a bonus.

 

[Shimmergloom]

 

I highly doubt he'll be appearing in the DCTVU, aren't they remaking a GL movie? i remember something about a new movie scheduled to come out in the next 5 years or something?

 

They're making a Flash movie too, with a different cast than the tv show, so I don't see why they couldn't make a GL tv show when they are planning a movie for GL in 2020.

[dcinmb]

But what could Snart do that Team Flash couldn't? Freeze someone with Cisco's freeze-gun thingie? Couldn't Cisco have whipped up a few more guns for himself and the rest of the team? After all, it took him no time at all to retrofit his uncle's truck. And he was able to design and fabricate Laurel's canary cry collar during a quick visit to Starling with no access to his lab. Moreover, Team Flash was able to put the meta-humans away without Snart's help before.

ETA: Barry's keystone-cop problem-solving skills make Oliver look like Sun-Tzu. Guess we should be thankful that he didn't recruit Reverse Flash to be his back-up.

Edited May 13, 2015 by dcinmb

[millennium]

Ya'll make me wish I would've watched Arrow. Maybe I need to start watching it.

 

First two seasons were really good.  Skip all of Season 3, wait for Season 4. 

 

Back to the Flash:

 

Fun episode!   Felt like a comic book, as it should.    I like that Barry didn't let his pride keep him from acknowledging that he couldn't stop RF alone.   I'm guessing he's the kind of guy who might even stop to ask directions if he got lost.

 

Captain Cold is a worthy opponent.   His sis is golden. 

 

I find it difficult to assimilate Spartacus into the Flash universe though.   When Snart was insisting on a thank you, I half-expected Weather Wizard to say "Gratitude."

[cambridgeguy]

 

I'm really getting tired of the men in Iris's life making decisions for her. That bullshit excuse about being in a crowded relationship might have worked  in episode 15, but since then it's been you two. Hopefully, Iris fights that destiny foolishness that these moronic men in her life seem determined to trap her in.

Eddie has the right to bail out of what he considers a doomed relationship, just like Linda did.  A woman has every right to break up with a guy and the reverse is also true.  While Wells is hardly the most trustworthy source of information Eddie already had nagging doubts about Iris/Barry so I can see him seeing the newspaper as confirmation.  That and he might feel like he can't compete with a guy who's not only her best friend but ALSO a superhero.

 

Besides, we KNOW that Iris is in love with Barry - his going back in time one day doesn't change her feelings, all he did was remove the stress that forced her to admit it.

 

Speaking of Eddie, was he really a hostage for two weeks?  That's not much of a stubble he had there.