S05.E18: Confessions Of A Housewife

[njbchlover]

I'd want to tell her if I were Kyle, but the truth makes no difference to Kim.  She was caught in a lie during their conversation about the house being in escrow when Kim was informed about the sale and yet she still persisted in her accusations that she was wronged by Kyle and Mauricio.  Kim is only going to care that Brandi has done HER wrong, when she is actually confronted by it and it bothers her enough.  She won't (and didn't) believe Kyle and she doesn't care that Brandi hurts her sister and out-and-out lies about her (remember she "didn't hear" Brandi accusing Mauricio of cheating on Kyle).  I get why Kyle wanted to say something but it was doomed to be repetition of the same ole, same ole with Kim.  I'm not sure what I think Kyle should have done though.  It's such a cluster.

 

Also, this whole "my childhood was stolen from me" theme seems like such a turnabout for Kim, since, I believe the video was posted in her thread, there was an interview with Kim and Big Kathy, where Kim says that she has no regrets about being a child star and missing out on normal kid things, since she has her own kids and can experience those things with them.  How that Kim became this current Kim, I can only imagine.  Maybe she was lying to herself then, too, because she obviously feels that her life isn't what she wants it to be and that Kyle owes her something.  She says it's Her Goddam House that Kyle owes her, but if Kyle can whip out those documents and prove that the sale was on the up and up, what would be Kim's "reason" for her anger towards Kyle, then? 

 

And again, during that conversation, Kim deflected by screaming "You're lying, you're lying!!!" at Kyle.  

 

As I said previously, she is a master manipulator, at least when she is sober (and, I think, when she is not).  She throws down a gauntlet, and expects the other person to pick it up and start in on defending themselves, thereby, discontinuing the original conversation.  This happens time and time again - the pattern is so apparent.  

 

I think the only one who could stick to the facts and not detract from them in a conversation with Kim would be Eileen.  Kyle and Lisa R, as we've seen, are much too emotional, to their detriment, to be calm and factual.

 

Maybe Lisa V. and Yolanda would be able to stick to the facts, but Kim could have Yolanda's Lyme-brain all twisted, and I just think Lisa V. realizes that conversations with Kim about anything serious is a huge effort in futility.

[LotusFlower]

I just re-watched the episode, and the last scene is just so disturbing. Kim is a verbal and emotional abuser. She torments Kyle every chance she gets, fueled by her jealousies, bitterness, and resentments. She screams at Kyle, points the finger, lies, yells, and drives Kyle to tears. Then she waits a beat or two, softens, tells Kyle she loves her, hugs her and tells her everything's going to work out. It bothers me to even write this. It's "100%" manipulation and abuse.

[Umbelina]

They all swear, and they all talk about sex.  The only time they act like horrified "ladies" about it is when someone they dislike does it.  For them?  All is fair and funny and enjoyable.

[missy jo]

Is the "Kathy has my back", "Kathy is a real sister" new?

 

 

Maybe another theory why Kim would never attack Kathy, Kathy knows industry people since shes Hilton and with all those connections. Kim is not gonna piss off 'the good sister' with house nonsense if she ever wants Kathy to put in a good word to get a role or two again.

 

 

I think it's a new thing, or at least I don't recall ever hearing the "Kathy's a better sister" narrative before. If there were examples of Kathy being so great, since Kim mentioned it more than once, I'm sure the producers would've asked Kim for some anecdotes in her THs. I think it's just Kim's "insult du jour."

 

As far as Brandi meeting Andre "in the Red Light district," that is odd. The Red Light district is very touristy and at night, you're likely to get pickpocketed or sold fake drugs (so I hear).

[njbchlover]

 I have to say it is the only moment I have ever felt sorry for her, just for a second. Her blurry eyes and slurry voice demanding he kiss her in public. I felt real pity then had a cup of coffee and came to my senses.  What a mess she is. I think a hundred years ago they used to make alcoholics watch film of themselves drunk.   Wonder if she ever watches?

 

 

Obviously not, because Brandi seemed quite shocked when Eileen told Brandi that she can be mean when she is drunk....if she has been watching the shows, she shouldn't have been shocked at all - the proof is right there.

[phoenix780]

They all swear, and they all talk about sex.  The only time they act like horrified "ladies" about it is when someone they dislike does it.  For them?  All is fair and funny and enjoyable.

I think it's different when you're around people who can talk about other things, or who you can share other things with and have some kind of trust it won't all go public at random one day.  Which is to say, if Brandi offered them more than sex talk to get attention, or swearing as she yells at someone, I don't think they'd be such pearl clutchers.

[njbchlover]

If Brandi wants to go out (screw) a 22 year old, that's her business.  However, seeing her do it, just makes her look pretty pathetic.  Between the spanx showing, the kiss me, the 'bear' vest and the inability to stand up straight, that's not hot.  Far from it.  Kinda of desperate.  I don't think Lisa V made a big deal of it but I can understand her being a little disturbed and bothered by it.  I would be too.  I hope he used protection. 

 

If the reunion preview clip is correct, than Brandi didn't even get a chance to "screw' the 22 year old.  Lisa V. puts it out there that nothing happened.

[WireWrap]

I think it's a new thing, or at least I don't recall ever hearing the "Kathy's a better sister" narrative before. If there were examples of Kathy being so great, since Kim mentioned it more than once, I'm sure the producers would've asked Kim for some anecdotes in her THs. I think it's just Kim's "insult du jour."

 

As far as Brandi meeting Andre "in the Red Light district," that is odd. The Red Light district is very touristy and at night, you're likely to get pickpocketed or sold fake drugs (so I hear).

Kim only started saying it after Brandi said it to her!

[Rahul]

The still menstruating Bitter and Biter.  It is now a precursor to be a friend of Brandi's that females not be in menopause. Leeza Gibbons may be getting lucky.

 

If this show was a daytime soap, I think an appropriate title would be "The Menstruating & The Bitter."

[SoCal4Us]

I keep hoping we will see the lost footage where Dutch Boy tells LvP, Brandi was so drunk he wouldn't bang her with Kim's wiener.

 

Too funny!

[film noire]

Ha, me too.  Everything is at 100% now.  No more of this pansy 30/60/80% business.  It's 100% or Go Home. 

 

Ha! -- I'm waiting on "You 100 percent stole my GD house!"

Edited March 20, 2015 by film noire

[GreatKazu]

They all swear, and they all talk about sex.  The only time they act like horrified "ladies" about it is when someone they dislike does it.  For them?  All is fair and funny and enjoyable.

Wrong. There is a time and place for that kind of talk. There have been times Brandi has opened her mouth and said something that was definitely not the time and definitely not the place. And, there have been times Brandi and the group talked openly about sex and sex-related matters which seemed appropriate. Brandi reminds me of a child (she is one after all in mental years) who just throws out things. As a child, I remember being reprimanded for saying this at a relative's house:  "Mom said my brother's underwear was stinky!" and then laughing my head off. Totally inappropriate thing to say at a gathering after a funeral.  But, had it been said at a family barbecue, no big deal. It would have gathered lots of laughs. This is how Brandi works. Had Brandi mentioned the finger-banging comment during a get-together where it was YoFo, David and the rest of the BH cast, I would have laughed right along with her.

 

Wasn't Joyce singled out for saying something about her coochie size and her spouse's penis size? Heaven forbid Joyce say such a thing. Brandi was being hypocritical in that sense, as if she never said such things before.

 

 

Maybe Kyle and Mauricio stole her car.

Maybe it was in Mauricio's name. Everything else seems to be as Miss Kimmy gets to enjoy the fruits of other people's labor. :-)

Edited March 20, 2015 by GreatKazu

[FozzyBear]

I think it's a new thing, or at least I don't recall ever hearing the "Kathy's a better sister" narrative before. If there were examples of Kathy being so great, since Kim mentioned it more than once, I'm sure the producers would've asked Kim for some anecdotes in her THs. I think it's just Kim's "insult du jour."

As far as Brandi meeting Andre "in the Red Light district," that is odd. The Red Light district is very touristy and at night, you're likely to get pickpocketed or sold fake drugs (so I hear).

Kim actually has mentioned before on other seasons that she is closer to Kathy and her husband (Nicky?). As early as season 2 I got the idea that Kim and Kathy have always manged to maintain a less stressful relationship, but Kim spent more time with Kyle and Mauricio by virtue of living closer and their kids growing up together. Honestly, I think a lot of it has to do with Mauricio. I don't think things have always been smooth sailing between him and the Richards family. I dont think Kim likes him that much and prefers Kathy's husband.

As much as Kyle's voice varies between annoying screeching cat and really annoying screeching cat for me, I do kind of think I understand some of what is behind Kyle and Mauricio:The Grapes of Wrath Years. I am sure Mauricio was a successful up and commer when he and Kyle hooked up (I'm sorry, I just don't see her as having the backbone to ever really chuck it all for love), but I think he was an upper middle class guy who had to work for a living. That's a far cry from the trust funders the Richards women usually dated. I think in context, marrying Mauricio probably felt like a big act of rebellion to Kyle and her mother and sisters. All of this to say, I think it's not outside the realm of possibility that when they first married Kim treated Mo like the help and still feels he is beneath her. Now Kathy's husband...he's a Hilton!

I do believe that she is closer to Kathy and that Kim and Kyle really don't actually get along very well.

Interesting family dynamic, to say the least.

Edited March 20, 2015 by FozzyBear

[SwordQueen]

Are you talking about the GD house or Kim??   ;-)

 

Six of one, half dozen of the other.  lol 

[ryebread]

If the reunion preview clip is correct, than Brandi didn't even get a chance to "screw' the 22 year old.  Lisa V. puts it out there that nothing happened.

 

Wasn't Lisa V also the one that said nothing happened when Brandi supposedly screwed the realtor in Portia's bathroom?  Lisa knows things, man.  It just depends what side of Lisa you're on which will determine if that knowledge is going to help you or bite ya on your skinny ass.

 

Lisa's credibility suffered with me a long time ago when she was besties with Brandi to begin with.  Lisa with Brandi, Kyle with Faye, Camille with Alison DuBois.   Something stinks in the rose garden.  Birds of a feather and all that. 

Edited March 20, 2015 by ryebread

[film noire]

  ..the kiss me, the 'bear' vest 

 

Maybe it was some kind of sexual cosplay -- Goldicocks and the Bear Vest.

Edited March 20, 2015 by film noire

[Rahul]

Kim actually has mentioned before on other seasons that she is closer to Kathy and her husband (Nicky?). As early as season 2 I got the idea that Kim and Kathy have always manged to maintain a less stressful relationship, but Kim spent more time with Kyle and Mauricio by virtue of living closer and their kids growing up together. Honestly, I think a lot of it has to do with Mauricio. I don't think things have always been smooth sailing between him and the Richards family. I dont think Kim likes him that much and prefers Kathy's husband.

As much as Kyle's voice varies between annoying screeching cat and really annoying screeching cat for me, I do kind of think I understand some of what is behind Kyle and Mauricio:The Grapes of Wrath Years. I am sure Mauricio was a successful up and commer when he and Kyle hooked up (I'm sorry, I just don't see her as having the backbone to ever really chuck it all for love), but I think he was an upper middle class guy who had to work for a living. That's a far cry from the trust funders the Richards women usually dated. I think in context, marrying Mauricio probably felt like a big act of rebellion to Kyle and her mother and sisters. All of this to say, I think it's not outside the team of possibility that when they first married Kim treated Mo like the help and still feels he is beneath her. Now Kathy's husband...he's a Hilton!

I do believe that she is closer to Kathy and that Kim and Kyke really don't actually get along very well.

Interesting family dynamic, to say the least.

 

Interesting theory, FozzyBear. I've noticed Kim refuses to call Mauricio by his full name, but uses the Anglized "Maurice." Moreover, every time she does speak his name directly to his face her voice is dripping with vitriol. Perhaps Kim really does see herself as above him. Dare I speculate there may even be an anti-Latino/anti-Semtic racial element?

[GreatKazu]

 

If the reunion preview clip is correct, than Brandi didn't even get a chance to "screw' the 22 year old.  Lisa V. puts it out there that nothing happened.

Hee, I bet he regrets banging Brandi and told LisaV. they didn't have sex. Reminds me of Gerard Butler who couldn't remember Brandi (didn't WANT to remember her is what that was about).

 

 

Lisa's credibility suffered with me a long time ago when she was besties with Brandi to begin with.

Oh yes. Shady as hell.   And now, It is YoFo and her stance that she can't just kick someone to the curb! But it is okay to allow that person to talk shit in her house to the Puerto Rican lady.

[ryebread]

Had Brandi mentioned the finger-banging comment during a get-together where it was YoFo, David and the rest of the BH cast, I would have laughed right along with her.

 

Wrong.  There is no time or no place for that kind of talk.  She was disgusting and an embarrassment.  Combined with her finger motions, that talk isn't fit for civilized company.  I think I'll just wander my little ol' self back to the Southern Charm thread.

But it is okay to allow that person to talk shit in her house to the Puerto Rican lady.

Wait...huh?  What happened there?

[ryebread]

OT but it's on this page at the bottom of the Previously TV screen under Promoted Stories:

 

12 Most Hateable TV Characters of All Time.  So I click.  Not Camille, not Taylor, not Brandi, nor Kim.

 

Kimmy Gibbler from Full House.  If only life were that simple again.

[GreatKazu]

Wrong.  There is no time or no place for that kind of talk.  She was disgusting and an embarrassment.  Combined with her finger motions, that talk isn't fit for civilized company.  I think I'll just wander my little ol' self back to the Southern Charm thread.

Wait...huh?  What happened there?

Joyce.

 

I beg to differ. I would have found Brandi's finger talk funny had the conversation been one where all the adults were conversing about the same topic that involved sex. Just as I wasn't offended at Brandi talking about her fantasy of finding her husband in bed with another woman and watching them have sex because EVERYONE was in on the conversation and opening up about porn.   Those are things that people do talk about when they are in the company of other people who are talking about such matters and feel open and trusting to say their true feelings.

[FozzyBear]

Interesting theory, FozzyBear. I've noticed Kim refuses to call Mauricio by his full name, but uses the Anglized "Maurice." Moreover, every time she does speak his name directly to his face her voice is dripping with vitriol. Perhaps Kim really does see herself as above him. Dare I speculate there may even be an anti-Latino/anti-Semtic racial element?

I think that may be part of it. Most likely it was a combination of things that would have been fine if Mo had been capital R rich. I can easily see that Big Kathy heard that Kyle was dating a Mexican Jew who is a real estate agent making mid six figures and got a case of the vapors and then proceeded to pull her patented "pretend he's not in the room" trick both Kim and Kyle have talked about. Kim and Kathy may have followed her lead and more or less treated Mo like a temporary arraignment while Kyle went through a slumming it phase.

[Umbelina]

I'm pretty sure Kim said that "Mauricio" is a new affectation of his, when she first met him and he married the very pregnant  Kyle, he was just "Maurice" and that's how she knows him.

[Rahul]

I'm pretty sure Kim said that "Mauricio" is a new affectation of his, when she first met him and he married the very pregnant  Kyle, he was just "Maurice" and that's how she knows him.

 

I don't trust a word that comes of Kim's mouth anymore. She's usually either lying blatantly or is too drunk/high to have an inkling of what she's talking about (ie. duration of her hospital stay). 

Edited March 20, 2015 by Rahul

[Umbelina]

Viewers want to know if you think Dean can knock Mauricio off the title of sexiest Househusband?

Yes! People have been tweeting me that it’s time for Maurice to step down now.

Side note: Marisa says it’s not just Kim who calls Mauricio “Maurice”. When she met him at work everyone called him Maurice, or Mo!

 

http://www.allabouttrh.com/allabouttrh-exclusive-interview-marisa-zanuck-dishes-on-being-called-boring-her-opinion-of-adrienne-why-she-loves-lisa/

 

Yes, I'm pretty sure she did, just not sure which season it was. 

Edited March 20, 2015 by Umbelina

[GreatKazu]

I'm pretty sure Kim said that "Mauricio" is a new affectation of his, when she first met him and he married the very pregnant  Kyle, he was just "Maurice" and that's how she knows him.

I am remembering this as well. I think it was mentioned during the season when Ken 2.0 was on.

[WireWrap]

I'm pretty sure Kim said that "Mauricio" is a new affectation of his, when she first met him and he married the very pregnant  Kyle, he was just "Maurice" and that's how she knows him.

I do remember her saying she called him Maurice and I remember her saying he treated her like a second wife, taking care of her and her children!

[ToukieSmith]

I'd want to tell her if I were Kyle, but the truth makes no difference to Kim.  She was caught in a lie during their conversation about the house being in escrow when Kim was informed about the sale and yet she still persisted in her accusations that she was wronged by Kyle and Mauricio.  Kim is only going to care that Brandi has done HER wrong, when she is actually confronted by it and it bothers her enough.  She won't (and didn't) believe Kyle and she doesn't care that Brandi hurts her sister and out-and-out lies about her (remember she "didn't hear" Brandi accusing Mauricio of cheating on Kyle).  I get why Kyle wanted to say something but it was doomed to be repetition of the same ole, same ole with Kim.  I'm not sure what I think Kyle should have done though.  It's such a cluster.

 

Also, this whole "my childhood was stolen from me" theme seems like such a turnabout for Kim, since, I believe the video was posted in her thread, there was an interview with Kim and Big Kathy, where Kim says that she has no regrets about being a child star and missing out on normal kid things, since she has her own kids and can experience those things with them.  How that Kim became this current Kim, I can only imagine.  Maybe she was lying to herself then, too, because she obviously feels that her life isn't what she wants it to be and that Kyle owes her something.  She says it's Her Goddam House that Kyle owes her, but if Kyle can whip out those documents and prove that the sale was on the up and up, what would be Kim's "reason" for her anger towards Kyle, then? 

 

Kim is not interested in those documents.  She knows her accusations bother Kyle so she will not stop bring it up until she finds another millionaire to marry and regain her position as a rich housewife of Beverly Hills.

 

If Brandi wants to go out (screw) a 22 year old, that's her business.  However, seeing her do it, just makes her look pretty pathetic.  Between the spanx showing, the kiss me, the 'bear' vest and the inability to stand up straight, that's not hot.  Far from it.  Kinda of desperate.  I don't think Lisa V made a big deal of it but I can understand her being a little disturbed and bothered by it.  I would be too.  I hope he used protection. 

 

The age of her conquest didn't bother me.  There are some very handsome, interesting and accomplished 22 years-old out there that don't look like they just graduated middle school.  This guy looked wet behind the ears and he was not particularly good-looking.  She looked ridiculous in that ugly outfit and her demeanor reminded of that skeevy American Apparel guy. 

 

Men and women who leer and salivate at the sight of a potential love interest/sex partner gross me out.

[Umbelina]

I do remember her saying she called him Maurice and I remember her saying he treated her like a second wife, taking care of her and her children!

 

I thought Kyle was the one who said the second part.  I don't remember Kim ever saying it.  Have a link?  Maybe this whole thing should be in past seasons though.

 

Back on topic, I wish we'd seen more of the scenery in Holland, thank God Yo made them bike to the windmill!  Other than that, restaurants, shopping, and making fun of art.  yawn.  I loved Yo's family though, I'd hoped she'd stayed on with them for a while, but apparently not?  The day she said she was sick, I was also hoping she was just sneaking out for some mom time.

Edited March 20, 2015 by Umbelina

[ryebread]

I'm pretty sure Kim said that "Mauricio" is a new affectation of his, when she first met him and he married the very pregnant  Kyle, he was just "Maurice" and that's how she knows him.

 

I have a sister named 'Pam'.  Growing up she was 'PJ'.  Sometimes 'Pammy Poo Poo' if we wanted to piss her off.   But mostly just Pam.

 

When she turned 28, she insisted that every one start calling her 'Pamela'.  She'd just started a new job, got a house on the opposite side of town, joined a big new church.  Everyone was calling her 'Pamela' except us. Twenty years later and I still can't call her Pamela with a straight face.  Wonder how Kyle does it.  

 

In the throes of passion is she screaming, "Ohhhhhh Mauriciooooooooo"  or "Ohhhhhhh Mooooooooooe"?

 

Or does she not scream anything and just lies there and weeps?

[breezy424]

I don't think there's anything 'underlying' to why Kim calls Mauricio 'Maurice'.  If I remember correctly, there were a number of people who called him that in the past.  Not reading anything into it.  Just my opinion.

[DebbieM4]

Of course it is.  The entire season has been about them.  If they weren't on camera?  Lipsa, or Eileen, or Kyle was talking about them.  Lisa V did a bit as well, but she's just there to get revenge and promote the restaurants, and other than that?  She doesn't really give a shit.  Yolanda was too sick/absent to count.  I still can't get over one scene that illustrates all of this. 

 

Eileen and her husband went out for a romantic dinner, being filmed of course.  Within SECONDS Eileen started talking about Kim, and then Brandi. 

 

So many others!  Limo trip, within seconds Lipsa brings up Kim to the others.  On and on and fucking ON.  Talking about Kim and/or Brandi has been, by a huge margin, the ONLY thing these women have done all damn season.  I would love it if someone counted how many times "Kim" came out of Lipsa's mouth this season.  Or better, time her minutes on screen and add them up, then subtract any minute where Kim was being discussed.  She'd probably end up with 20 minutes of total screen time, if that, and even so?  Probably only because of the Medford trip.

 

Why would you expect the reunion to be any different?

 

What we saw is what Bravo wanted us to see.  Certainly these women all talked about many other things.  They film much, much more than ever makes it to air.

 

We have no idea if Eileen and Vince actually started talking about Kim & Brandi "within seconds" at their dinner out, and I think it's highly unlikely that was all they talked about.  Or that Kim & Brandi are all that any of the women have talked about.  Editing is a very deceiving thing, both re time and content.

 

They film for hours & hours & hours, and only a very tiny percentage of that is used.   I have a background in television & I have friends who currently edit tape for a reality show, and it is amazing how deceiving it can be.  It's pretty much magical.  Actual footage and edited footage are often worlds apart.

 

And it just makes no sense that these women would get together and not have extended conversations about other things - their latest shopping trip, their kids, their husbands, a new project they're working on, who they ran into at a party, their homes, vacation recommendations, charity events, etc.  Do they talk about Kim & Brandi?  Sure.  And Brandi & Kim talk about them too.  And of course Production is encouraging them all to do so. 

 

You can't base the reality of what went on during filming with what actually made it onto the show.  The editors are telling a story, so they weed out what doesn't fit into that story.  We've all seen "lost footage", and usually it has nothing to do with major storylines and is far more than entertaining & interesting than what was forced down our throats during the season.

 

 Every one of the other women certainly seem as though they have very full lives.  It's only Kim & Brandi who are constantly shown whining and complaining about their lot in life, so it seems to me that they're the ones clinging to the crap that we're all tired of.  I have no doubt that all of the others have much more interesting things going on in their lives than stupid Brandi and poor addled Kim, and that they are as sick of all the Kim & Brandi nonsense as we are.  I'm quite sure that they happily take every opportunity to talk about pretty much anything else.

Edited March 20, 2015 by DebbieM4

[rho]

 

She was under contract to talk about Kim and Brandi.  That's why the cameras were there.  The women (ALL of them) talk about the others in practically every scene because that's what they're being paid to do.

 

I know that they're aiming for major drama with this show, but I really think they're reaching sometimes. Did anyone tune into Jersey Belles last summer? Initially I thought I would hate it but I watched a free episode on a plane and was hooked. They were genuine friends who occasionally cracked innocent jokes amongst one another but at the end of the day, it was evident they truly cared. Even when they were talking about someone who wasn't present, it was from a place of genuine concern like 'let's do something to cheer her up' or 'have you called her? I think she could use a friend.' All of the humour came from their little quirks and the fish out of water premise. I really wish RHOBH would take a page from their book and lay off the drama a bit. Sometimes I don't feel like watching 7 grown women attack each other, both passively and aggressively.

 

 

I don't think there's anything 'underlying' to why Kim calls Mauricio 'Maurice'.  If I remember correctly, there were a number of people who called him that in the past.  Not reading anything into it.  Just my opinion.

There are a million reasons to dislike Kim, I don't think we need to speculate that she's antisemitic/racist/classist/etc because she calls him Maurice. 

 

From my own experience, my parents were from two different countries and they can't pronounce each others' names so they call each other by their middle names. Our extended family and close friends also have various nicknames for them. There's nothing malicious about it, just that no one can roll their Rs or pronounce a 'sh' sound.

[DebbieM4]

Obviously not, because Brandi seemed quite shocked when Eileen told Brandi that she can be mean when she is drunk....if she has been watching the shows, she shouldn't have been shocked at all - the proof is right there.

 

I can't imagine that Brandi is not watching.  For one thing, how else would she be commenting on episodes in her blogs?  She doesn't know what's shown & what's not shown until she sees each episode. 

 

And also, I think she loves seeing herself, and wouldn't dream of missing an episode.  What she actually sees is a whole other story, because I personally can't understand how she could watch and not have some major eye-opening moments.  Perhaps she self-medicates while watching and so is seeing through boozy (or whatever!) eyes.  I do think that proof that is "right there" for the vast majority of us is likely to escape her completely because she's pretty deluded and out of touch with reality.  Certainly she saw her famous tampon photos (preceded by lots of other tabloid photos of her stumbling drunkenly out of various clubs), and yet they didn't serve as any kind of wake-up call for her either.

 

So I think she sees what she wants to see.   The scene with her & that boy was all kinds of disturbing, but I'm sure she thought she looked hot, beautiful, young, desirable, and the envy of all the other women.  She clings stubbornly to her own agenda, and will likely never change even with clear evidence right in front of her eyes.

Edited March 20, 2015 by DebbieM4

[DebbieM4]

I don't think there's anything 'underlying' to why Kim calls Mauricio 'Maurice'.  If I remember correctly, there were a number of people who called him that in the past.  Not reading anything into it.  Just my opinion.

 

 I remember his mother saying - way back in an earlier season -  that his birth name was actually Mauricio.  IIRC, Kim was kind of mocking him when she called him "Maurice", kind of sneering at him as though she thought it was an insult.

 

I'm not sure how much any of this matters.  My ex was (and still is) called by a shortened version of his name by family & friends who knew him way back when.  But his actual name is the more formal version of it, and people he met later on in life know him by that name.  It's not fake or a sudden affectation - One is the name he was given at birth, and the other is a more casual variation.  There's nothing sinister about it, and I think this kind of thing is actually pretty common.

[Me Too]

 

IIRC, Kim was kind of mocking him when she called him "Maurice", kind of sneering at him as though she thought it was an insult.

Yes, this.  I remember picking up on the tone of voice and attitude that Kim used when talking to Mauricio when she was a guest in his own home.

 

In the early pages of this thread a poster mentioned Mauricio's talking head about the PS house.  I just wanted to say that I remember that, unfortunately I don't remember any of the details, just that he addressed it.  It must have been early in Season 2.  After all,  Kim probably only had Kyle in her sight when was throwing shade about the house but in reality her accusation was a verbal assault on his professional integrity and could have real consequences in his future career.

 

At that last dinner in Holland when they were talking about women shooting objects out of various body parts, I immediately flashed to the scene in the movie "Priscilla Queen of the Desert" when the Australian guy's young Asian wife started shooting ping pong balls out of her ass.  That was the first time I had heard of such a thing and this dinner was the second time. 

 

I really live a sheltered life don't I.

Edited March 20, 2015 by Me Too

[motorcitymom65]

Kim actually has mentioned before on other seasons that she is closer to Kathy and her husband (Nicky?). As early as season 2 I got the idea that Kim and Kathy have always manged to maintain a less stressful relationship, but Kim spent more time with Kyle and Mauricio by virtue of living closer and their kids growing up together. Honestly, I think a lot of it has to do with Mauricio. I don't think things have always been smooth sailing between him and the Richards family. I dont think Kim likes him that much and prefers Kathy's husband.

 

My thoughts are that Kathy and Rick partied a lot with Kim. I think they were wild back in the day. The picture below - which is everything - is of Rick James partying at the Hilton Pad, and Kim was there as well. Rick James said once that he did cocaine with the Hilton's at their house. I think a lot of their bond is about the fact that they just hung out together a lot more. 

 

I also think that it is possible that Mauricio just wasn't as thrilled or as tolerant of Kim in general. Many folks have mentioned the fact that Kyle is very close to Mauricio's family - his mother in particular - and that this has probably been a good influence on her.  He probably didn't grow up with such a fucked up dynamic and made it clear that he wasn't big on some of the behavior. 

 

http://ravepad.com/page/kim-richards/images/view/294637/Rick-Hilton-Kim-Richards-Rick-James-and-Kathy-Hilton

Edited March 20, 2015 by motorcitymom65

[Satchels of gold]

Kim Richards and Rick James??? Surely this is a sign of the end times.

[rehoboth]

Obviously not, because Brandi seemed quite shocked when Eileen told Brandi that she can be mean when she is drunk....if she has been watching the shows, she shouldn't have been shocked at all - the proof is right there.

Ah but we see as mean, Brandi sees as playful.  And if you can't see that Brandi is just joking around, you must be old and out of it - perhaps your period is a distant memory.

[motorcitymom65]

They all swear, and they all talk about sex.  The only time they act like horrified "ladies" about it is when someone they dislike does it.  For them?  All is fair and funny and enjoyable.

I think that to a certain extent that this is true. What I don't get is why it is shocking or surprising to Brandi, and it makes me even more convinced of her inability to navigate social situations. She is so stunted in this area. 

 

This is a Brandi rant, but it is about what she said in this episode to Yolanda about not being able to say things without being judged, while the other women can.

 

Has there ever been any HW that has been the recipient of more good will from the fans almost from the beginning, despite the fact that some of the things that she said/did were a slap in the face to many of the values of these same people? Brandi was saying fuckety, fuck, fuck from the very beginning. She was crude, had no filter, talked about threesomes, etc., almost right from the very start. People loved her. I remember back on the Bravo blogs, where people would say things like "I don't think having a threesome is right, but she was in love and just trying to save her marriage".  Does anyone believe that if Kyle would have been on TV talking about threesomes that those same folks would have been so in love with her? No way, because folks hated Kyle. Brandi was able to get away with saying and doing the most outrageous things because she had the support of Lisa - who fans loved - and later Yolanda. They overlooked her behavior because they saw something good in her at her core. Lisa didn't like the things that she said, but because those words came from someone she liked, they didn't bother her so much. It is stunning to me that this is some sort of a revelation to Brandi. 

 

Anyone think that Brandi could get away with that surrogacy reveal today? Would people still side with Brandi in her argument with Mauricio today? Overnight Mauricio became the most hated man on probably any HW show at the time simply for saying what most normal and moral folks would say in that situation.  Would folks want to burn down Faye Resnick's house today if she said those exact same words to Brandi? Of course not. At the end of the day, it is about people that you like being able to say things and get away with them to an extent because you empathize with them or understand there is more to them than their words. Because they haven't used those words to hurt you or to hurt others. Lisa looked the other way with Brandi because Brandi had defended her when no one else would. That made her believe that Brandi came from a good place. She saw past the vulgarity because of this. Yo has done the same thing because she believes that Brandi has been loyal to her. Just like Lisa didn't turn away from Brandi until she actually hurt her, Yo is doing the same thing (Yo hasn't acknowledged on the show that Brandi has ever hurt her). 

 

It is so strange to me that a large part of Brandi's story this year is about how she cannot get away with saying things that others can. She said this to Heather McDonald about Chelsea Handler. She said it to Yo. She wrote a long blog about it. She is so lacking in self-reflection and in the fact that she once benefitted by being able to freely speak her mind before she started fucking around with people and their lives. Then it wasn't so funny anymore and people realized there was nothing else there. 

[SistaLadybug]

I'm pretty sure Kim said that "Mauricio" is a new affectation of his, when she first met him and he married the very pregnant  Kyle, he was just "Maurice" and that's how she knows him.

I'm of the belief that people should be able to decide the manner in which they like to be addressed.  Perhaps in the beginning of his career, Mauricio believed that using the more familiar-sounding "Maurice" would be better for his career.  For whatever reason - because he's more successful or because he feels that he needs to be more true to his heritage or simply because he likes the sound of it better - he has decided that he now wants to be called/known as Mauricio.  It isn't hard.  It's not like he's been Engelbert this whole time and now wants to be Jack (and even if that was the change, people should respect it). 

 

Given that Kim believes simply saying "Drop it" should be enough reason for women who have witnessed her bullshit and been affected by her misbehavior to stop talking about it, I would think she'd be all in favor of self-determination and would respect Mauricio's wishes.  (Although, at this point, I'm sure Mauricio would rather she just not call him anything at all and slink off to her hidey-hole.)

[bosawks]

I think Mauricio was way to many syllables for drunk Kim and Maurice was as close as she was gonna get..........

[MatildaMoody]

Kim actually has mentioned before on other seasons that she is closer to Kathy and her husband (Nicky?). As early as season 2 I got the idea that Kim and Kathy have always manged to maintain a less stressful relationship, but Kim spent more time with Kyle and Mauricio by virtue of living closer and their kids growing up together. Honestly, I think a lot of it has to do with Mauricio. I don't think things have always been smooth sailing between him and the Richards family. I dont think Kim likes him that much and prefers Kathy's husband.

As much as Kyle's voice varies between annoying screeching cat and really annoying screeching cat for me, I do kind of think I understand some of what is behind Kyle and Mauricio:The Grapes of Wrath Years. I am sure Mauricio was a successful up and commer when he and Kyle hooked up (I'm sorry, I just don't see her as having the backbone to ever really chuck it all for love), but I think he was an upper middle class guy who had to work for a living. That's a far cry from the trust funders the Richards women usually dated. I think in context, marrying Mauricio probably felt like a big act of rebellion to Kyle and her mother and sisters. All of this to say, I think it's not outside the realm of possibility that when they first married Kim treated Mo like the help and still feels he is beneath her. Now Kathy's husband...he's a Hilton!

I do believe that she is closer to Kathy and that Kim and Kyle really don't actually get along very well.

Interesting family dynamic, to say the least.

 

 

This is an interesting theory. I always assumed that Kim and Kathy were closer by virtue of their ages. And that Kyle was less close to Kathy because the age difference is so vast. Kathy would have been married and out on her own before Kyle really hit her early to mid teens. They just wouldn't have much in common because of the age difference.

 

The age difference between Kim and Kyle is also why I really don't understand why Kyle is expected to clean up after and take care of Kim. The woman has half a decade on her. If anything it should be the other way around where Kim as the big sister takes care of her baby sister. All kinds of fucked dysfunction in that family.

[CaughtOnTape]

I think Mauricio was way to many syllables for drunk Kim and Maurice was as close as she was gonna get..........

 

You win.

[Sincerely Yours]

But, in this case, it would be her husband's firm that would be held up as doing the underhanded dealings. So, IF what Kim says is true both of her sisters' husbands would have been involved in shady underhanded dealings. Maybe Kim doesn't realize that she is saying that when she says that her house was stolen from her, but it is what she is saying. 

But it didn't only have to be present on paper. A few theories. It could have been how they were able to get certain things in writing. How it was presented to Kim. How certain things were included in the end arrangement. Who knows what Katy new to be what Kim wanted or how Kyle got Kim to agree to whatever was finally put into the final papers. I'm not saying that it was buried in some fine print in the papers I'm saying there could have easily been some double talk, legal jargon language that Kim trusted would work itself out through the one's that new what they were doing and didn't understand enough to challenge. What ends up on paper is what is assumed has been explained and agreed upon. I would think Kathy wouldn't question anything that had Kim's signature on it. Question is how much did Kim understand about what she was signing.

 

I'm not saying that this is what happened but just because Kathy isn't up in arms about anything doesn't mean that something unfair didn't go down. I also don't think is was a huge scandal. At worst I would think that K/M weren't too inclined to be all that fair regarding that deal. I also don't think they would have thought that much about it considering other financial accommodations that were happening at the time so it's plausible that they may have given themselves a little advantage and easily taken a few steps that sweetened their part of the deal at Kim's expense thinking it would even the scales a bit in general. To be honest I could get with it being not 100% equal considering the mess Kim is and what she's drained from them but being that it was such an official transaction anything that's not quite right easily tarnishes the whole dealings if suspicions end up being voiced. 

 

I'm also inclined to believe that it was a simple case of weeding someone out and Kyle is too embarrassed to admit it. Which would also explain why Kathy doesn't have much to say on the subject. I mean the theory that makes most sense to me is that they cut her out of ownership of the house when they saw the chance, which some would say for good reason and hey that's her prerogative and all that but Kyle's too embarrassed to be "that" sister so she does this whole song and dance. Looks to the legitimate aspects of the sale and only focuses on the fact that Kim cashed a check. Got money for the house and the black and white version is that Kim was compensated for the house. I think Kim is more upset with the thinking surrounding how Kyle ended up sole owner of the house and Kyle always wanting to keep it about the checks and not about the "why" and "how" all that ended up happening the way it did. More denial and pretending that addiction didn't have a hand in how that whole situation played out. How it affected Kyle's judgment and how it impaired Kim's.

 

Kyle is in prime position to prey on Kim and not saying that the house deal was her preying on Kim but it is an example of official decisions being made using Kim's instability in their favor. I don't think it's at the level of getting your millionaire elderly, incapacitated 99 year old grandfather to sign blank checks for your own benefit type of thing but I do think Kyle and Mauricio are not above using Kim's problems as a way to gain advantages in situations where they are called upon and have to insert themselves in. I mean it could be because they need that edge to smooth over stuff that Kim's gets them into but it is a slippery slope when you start giving yourself permission to handle things in that manner and eventually it blurs the line of which instances it's appropriate to do so and which instances is just for personal gain wrapped in the guise of it being fair considering.....

Edited March 20, 2015 by Sincerely Yours

[Satchels of gold]

I'm of the belief that people should be able to decide the manner in which they like to be addressed.  Perhaps in the beginning of his career, Mauricio believed that using the more familiar-sounding "Maurice" would be better for his career.  For whatever reason - because he's more successful or because he feels that he needs to be more true to his heritage or simply because he likes the sound of it better - he has decided that he now wants to be called/known as Mauricio.  It isn't hard.  It's not like he's been Engelbert this whole time and now wants to be Jack (and even if that was the change, people should respect it). 

 

Given that Kim believes simply saying "Drop it" should be enough reason for women who have witnessed her bullshit and been affected by her misbehavior to stop talking about it, I would think she'd be all in favor of self-determination and would respect Mauricio's wishes.  (Although, at this point, I'm sure Mauricio would rather she just not call him anything at all and slink off to her hidey-hole.)

Thank you for this. When I adopted my daughter we kept her original name. We thought we were doing a good thing because her birth mother named her and it was a tie to her culture. Wrong! I can guarantee you there is no body in the US with that name and it only served to highlight that she was adopted and an "other". Around 4th grade , at her request, we Americanized her name to a cute nickname. I explained to the teachers ( didn't give a reason) that she would now like to be addressed with this new name. Well one teacher just refused to call her the new name. Finally had to meet with her and explain and she felt like an ass. I may have it legally changed but I'm holding out hope that once she's older, like Maurico, she will claim it again.

[WireWrap]

But it didn't only have to be present on paper. A few theories. It could have been how they were able to get certain things in writing. How it was presented to Kim. How certain things were included in the end arrangement. Who knows what Katy new to be what Kim wanted or how Kyle got Kim to agree to whatever was finally put into the final papers. I'm not saying that it was buried in some fine print in the papers I'm saying there could have easily been some double talk, legal jargon language that Kim trusted would work itself out through the one's that new what they were doing and didn't understand enough to challenge. What ends up on paper is what is assumed has been explained and agreed upon. I would think Kathy wouldn't question anything that had Kim's signature on it. Question is how much did Kim understand about what she was signing.

 

I'm not saying that this is what happened but just because Kathy isn't up in arms about anything doesn't mean that something unfair didn't go down. I also don't think is was a huge scandal. At worst I would think that K/M weren't too inclined to be all that fair regarding that deal. I also don't think they would have thought that much about it considering other financial accommodations that were happening at the time so it's plausible that they may have given themselves a little advantage and easily taken a few steps that sweetened their part of the deal at Kim's expense thinking it would even the scales a bit in general. To be honest I could get with it being not 100% equal considering the mess Kim is and what she's drained from them but being that it was such an official transaction anything that's not quite right easily tarnishes the whole dealings if suspicions end up being voiced. 

 

I'm also inclined to believe that it was a simple case of weeding someone out and Kyle is too embarrassed to admit it. Which would also explain why Kathy doesn't have much to say on the subject. I mean the theory that makes most sense to me is that they cut her out of ownership of the house when they saw the chance, which some would say for good reason and hey that's her prerogative and all that but Kyle's too embarrassed to be "that" sister so she does this whole song and dance. Looks to the legitimate aspects of the sale and only focuses on the fact that Kim cashed a check. Got money for the house and the black and white version is that Kim was compensated for the house. I think Kim is more upset with the thinking surrounding how Kyle ended up sole owner of the house and Kyle always wanting to keep it about the checks and not about the "why" and "how" all that ended happening the way it did. More denial and pretending that addiction didn't have a hand in how that whole situation played out. How it affected Kyle's judgment and how it impaired Kim's.

It could also be that Kyle can't go into details without outing her sister, Kim, once again. One has to ask, how did Kim loose her own PS/PD house after her mother died? Did loosing that house cause/force Kyle/Mauricio to buy out Kim to save their mothers house? There will always be speculation about Kyle's motives because of Kim's accusation season 1 but in light of Kim's drug/alcohol addiction history, it is more than just  reasonable to believe that maybe Kim's behavior put their moms house in jeopardy and K/M interceded.

Edited March 20, 2015 by WireWrap

[Sincerely Yours]

It could also be that Kyle can't go into details without outing her sister, Kim, once again. One has to ask, how did Kim loose her own PS/PD house after her mother died? Did loosing that house cause/force Kyle/Mauricio to buy out Kim to save their mothers house? There will always be speculation about Kyle's motives because of Kim's accusation season 1 but in light of Kim's drug/alcohol addiction history, it is more than just  reasonable to believe that maybe Kim's behavior put their moms house in jeopardy and K/M interceded.

That too. Plenty of possible theories that can lean toward either side. Absolutely.

[QuinnM]

 

Did loosing that house cause/force Kyle/Mauricio to buy out Kim to save their mothers house

 

Remember Kim has said that she had an equity loan out on the house.  If she misses payments the house can go into foreclosure.  I bet anything she didn't make payments and Kathy/Kyle were making them.  But Kyle can't answer that or Kim will look bad.  

[Sincerely Yours]

Kim has earned every scrap of disdain Kyle throws her way; every snip, snipe and biting comment. IMO.

And Kyle has earned the hundred times Kim tells her that she's been hurt by Kyle. Neither one of them deserve any more sympathy than the other. Had Kyle not turned her position into some earned badge of "now I can bitch you out, be nasty and meanspirited and show complete disgust and embarrassment that we are even related at the drop of a hat" then maybe I could be more sympathetic but as nasty as we've seen Kim I've also noticed that when she arrives somewhere she's rather positive and polite and not confrontation. It isn't until she's reacting to something or someone that the claws come out. Kyle with her random body language and demeanor that sets a tone and creates tension. Uggghhhh. It's like she wants to initiate something all the time and if she's that miserable and angry that she can't be in her sisters presence without disgust written all over her face then it's time stop the fakeity "I'll always be there for my sister"  jargon and accept their relationship for what it really is. She just wants to keep up appearances and that shit bothers the crap out of me!