Sweet Fellowship: Duggars and Friends (aka the Bates Family and Other Featured Families Thread)

[BradandJanet]

34 minutes ago, awaken said:

I haven’t ever had the stomach to listen to her talk before!  My, what a terribly fake, affected voice she uses. It seems so effortful. No wonder the kids have an odd speech pattern. 

I just listened to that video with the sound. Jill sounds like some creepy person in a horror movie who's trying to lure a small child into a car for a very bad purpose. 

[Nysha]

Why would she put her tooth under her pillow? I don't think Jesus approves of the tooth fairy. 🙃

I grew up putting my tooth in a glass of water on the kitchen window sill & that's what I did with my kids. It's a lot easier pouring out water to get the tooth & putting quarters and a new toothbrush in the glass than digging under a sleeping child's head.

[Zella]

18 minutes ago, BradandJanet said:

I just listened to that video with the sound. Jill sounds like some creepy person in a horror movie who's trying to lure a small child into a car for a very bad purpose. 

I can totally see her trying to lure them with Plexus and not understanding why it's not working. "It'll help your arthritis, kids! Hey, why are you running away?!" 🤣

[questionfear]

17 hours ago, Nysha said:

I agree that it's harsh and probably unfair, but at what point do we hold them accountable for their actions? And even if they're brainwashed, I still don't want to the kids anymore than I want to listen to the adults.

This comes up on Reddit and my take is always this: When they turn 18 and start voting, then they go from annoying to outright harmful, since they now have the ability to vote in people who have the power to impact my life. If the under-18 Rods are wandering around handing out Smiley Tracts, that's annoying but doesn't really cause me any harm, so I can dislike them but otherwise be indifferent. 

But when they turn 18 they have the ability to vote for people who also follow their beliefs, and that's scarier to me. Just my .02 on where/why I draw the line at legal "adulthood". 

[Zella]

On the subject of what the Rod kids are like. I'd venture to say they probably can be pretty grating and at the same time have absolutely no idea how annoying they are because their example of social interaction is from their parents, who are some of the most batshit crazy people I have ever heard of. Jill has no understanding of privacy or decency or normal social proprieties. Since her kids have never really had any outside influences, as far as they know, everything she does is "normal," including but not limited to filming strangers at a funeral. 

If I were to guess what Tim was like in college, I assume he is probably like some of the kids I went to school with at C of O. I have talked about some of them on here before.

One was a really sheltered homeschool kid from a fundie family. Like, even by sheltered homeschool kid standards, he had no social skills and was really weird. He was such a trainwreck that the college chaplain assigned people to be his friends. He eventually made a handful of friends, and I'm told that based on how he was the day he arrived as a freshman versus how he left as a senior, he actually improved leaps and bounds in his social skills.

Yet my 2 encounters with him when he was a senior are two of the most awkward social interactions I have ever had. He was actually really handsome, and I remember when I first saw him I was like "Who dis?" Then after briefly talking to him on those 2 occasions, I was so weirded out by what a weirdo he was that I wanted to run from him. And it's not that he had a creepy psycho vibe. That would have been almost normal compared to his personality. He had no idea how to have a conversation and could not engage in basic polite small talk or answer questions in a normal conversation with a stranger without just shutting down and fleeing the scene (yes, he ran away from a conversation like Sir Robin) or completely misinterpreting the situation and talking at you rather than to you in an incredibly pompous tone that completely didn't even answer the question that was posed to him. And I've met other people who do that but never the way he did. He also had an Indiana Jones hat that he clung to like Linus did his security blanket. And this was like the better living version of him!

I know this particular guy actually did develop a lot in his handful of years in college. I don't know if he recognized how toxic his upbringing was (something tells me no), and based on some stuff I have heard after he graduated, I think he has plateaued at his ability to improve his social skills. He is going to go through his life acting like a freak, and I don't know that he has the ability to recognize how off-putting he is. He is still, though, less of a freak that he was. 

There was another girl who I came in with at the same time, so we were in the same program for years. I even took several classes with her. She was also a very sheltered homeschool kid from a fundie family. She also had no social skills and was incredibly argumentative. She would derail entire classes with strident bullshit because of any number of minute things that offended her. I remember particularly a meltdown about a piece by the Grimke sisters (19th century feminist and abolitionist writers) that was just shocking in how misogynistic this 18-year-old girl was. It was so unhinged that after the class, the veteran professor was actually shaken and was asking me and a couple of other students, "Did what just happened actually happen?"

I nicknamed this girl the Quavering Voice of Righteous Indignation and avoided her like the plague for the rest of my time at school. You can imagine my surprise when I ran into her as a senior and realized she'd done a lot of growing up since she was a freshman. She actually had a really pleasant personality and had learned to interact with people and, I nearly shit myself when I realized this, but she'd become a feminist. She was still a Christian, but she was the kind of feminist who called her family out about their misogynistic bullshit and posted frequent, thoughtful PSAs on social media about women in society. I was astonished! And I was really proud of her! I'm still proud of her! But I also felt really bad for her because a lot of people I know from that school still remember her as what an insufferable asshole she was a freshman and assume the way she was then is how she is now. 

I hope the Rodrigues kids, as they age, find themselves developing more like Quavering Voice of Righteous Indignation than Indiana Jones Dude, though I also recognize that they have limited access to the means of doing so. Do I think any of them are going to turn their back on their beliefs and turn into outspoken feminists? Probably not. But I sincerely hope that as they grow up, they are able to spend time with people who are, at the very least, less unhinged than their parents and learn some normal social skills, including don't film people at funerals and don't harass the shit out of people at Olive Garden about the Bible. 

I think it's a crying shame that Tim got recalled home because I think being around normal people at a college may have really helped him grow as a person if he'd been given time, and I don't think he will be given that opportunity again. 

Edited September 17, 2020 by Zella

[libgirl2]

23 hours ago, iwantcookies said:

I’m tired of people trying to convert me period. I’m happy being an atheist.

And I am happy being an "evil" Catholic. 🙂

 

[laurakaye]

13 hours ago, BradandJanet said:

I just listened to that video with the sound. Jill sounds like some creepy person in a horror movie who's trying to lure a small child into a car for a very bad purpose. 

I just started following Jill on IG, so this was the very first time that I have heard her speak.  My gut told me that it was best to avoid listening to her actual voice.  I did not listen to my gut and I played that video five times.  Because as @BradandJanet said, I honestly thought I was listening to something from an old low budget horror movie dubbed over the video.  Also, it was dark and I was in bed when I listened and for a brief moment, I was like - is that voice coming from my phone or from the slightly ajar closet door???!?  Jill sounds both simple and dimwitted as well as terrifying and sinister. I didn't know.  I didn't know!!!  😲🥺🤡

[Zella]

I caved and listened to that video.

OMG that shit is terrifying.

 

[laurakaye]

12 minutes ago, Zella said:

I caved and listened to that video.

OMG that shit is terrifying.

Imagine hearing that voice whisper to you from a dark corner as you walk through the kitchen to get a glass of water in the middle of the night..."Mommy would like you to buy her some flowerssssss...Mommy likes red rosessssss....two dozen will dooooooooo....Mommy lovessssss youuuuuu."

This is like when I read Stephen King's"Pet Sematary" in college and was traumatized by the first few chapters but I still read the whole book.  Except JillR is way scarier than even Uncle Stevie could come up with.

Edited September 17, 2020 by laurakaye

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

Imagine hearing that voice whisper to you as you walk through the kitchen to get a glass of water..."Mommy would like you to buy her some flowerssssss...Mommy likes red rosessssss....two dozen will dooooooooo....Mommy lovessssss youuuuuu."

This is like when I read Stephen King's"Pet Sematary" in college and was traumatized by the first few chapters but I still read the whole book.  Except JillR is way scarier than even Uncle Stevie could come up with.

Bahahahahaha

I took a creative writing class in college in which people were supposed to read their work aloud. There was . . . an interesting person who was supposed to be reading a heartwarming story aloud. But she was a real weirdo, and some 10 years later, I am still traumatized by how horror movie-sounding her line reading of "What's the matter, little girl?" was. In the context of the story, it was supposed to be a loving mother comforting her child, but in her voice, it sounded like something a serial killer says right before he begins torturing you. It is ingrained in my soul and etched in my brain, and my friends and I for years used to say that to each other to relive the horror. Jill's voice was somehow even scarier. 

Edited September 17, 2020 by Zella

[BradandJanet]

If it that baby voice isn't downright creepy enough on its own, Sadie is too old to be talked to that way. She didn't react, so this probably happens a lot. 

God forbid these kids grow up and become adults. No wonder Jill acts like Nurie is dead. She left home and appears to be OK!

Jill's lucky she lives in secular America in present times. I could see some villagers deciding Jill's voice made this year's crops fail. 

 

 

[DangerousMinds]

Insane! And why does she ask questions in her posts, then turn on the comments? And who uses the word “luncheon?”

Edited September 17, 2020 by DangerousMinds

[crazy8s]

1 hour ago, BradandJanet said:

God forbid these kids grow up and become adults. No wonder Jill acts like Nurie is dead. She left home and appears to be OK!

we all remember the drama when Timothy went to Moody Aviation right?

an excerpt from the long winded post about timothy included

"When we say that last goodbye, it is going to literally rip a piece of my heart out. That piece of my heart will literally stay with Timothy forever- until we are all back together in eternal bliss in Heaven someday. Until then, it brings my heart GREAT JOY to see Timothy “in the saddle” for Jesus…because this is what we raised him for- to run his race well of serving our worthy Saviour Jesus Christ!"

 

 

Edited September 17, 2020 by crazy8s

[libgirl2]

21 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Insane! And why does she ask questions in her posts, then turn on the comments? And who uses the word “luncheon?”

Jill, feed your kids. 😞

 

[iwantcookies]

17 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

Jill, feed your kids. 😞

 

Never!

[GeeGolly]

Didn't we agree crazy JillR photos and screenshots should come with a trigger warning. 😲😩😉

[iwantcookies]

3 hours ago, laurakaye said:

Imagine hearing that voice whisper to you from a dark corner as you walk through the kitchen to get a glass of water in the middle of the night..."Mommy would like you to buy her some flowerssssss...Mommy likes red rosessssss....two dozen will dooooooooo....Mommy lovessssss youuuuuu."

This is like when I read Stephen King's"Pet Sematary" in college and was traumatized by the first few chapters but I still read the whole book.  Except JillR is way scarier than even Uncle Stevie could come up with.

You forgot: buy mommaaaaaa a stuffed bear! I lovvvvveee stuffed bears!

[iwantcookies]

What pisses me off JillR got a whole shelf of teddy bears. Her kids should be playing with them instead!

[Girl in a Cardigan]

4 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

What pisses me off JillR got a whole shelf of teddy bears. Her kids should be playing with them instead!

And they're on the highest shelf, so the littles who could play with them cannot even see them or get to them if they wanted to. UGH.

[crazy8s]

i have never meant a truly rude person trying to convert me to their chosen beliefs. the ones I have encountered are polite and stop after you say I am good with my beliefs or some such thing. I have never had children approach me on their own in that way.

Edited September 17, 2020 by crazy8s

[louannems]

4 hours ago, laurakaye said:

I just started following Jill on IG, so this was the very first time that I have heard her speak.  My gut told me that it was best to avoid listening to her actual voice.  I did not listen to my gut and I played that video five times.  Because as @BradandJanet said, I honestly thought I was listening to something from an old low budget horror movie dubbed over the video.  Also, it was dark and I was in bed when I listened and for a brief moment, I was like - is that voice coming from my phone or from the slightly ajar closet door???!?  Jill sounds both simple and dimwitted as well as terrifying and sinister. I didn't know.  I didn't know!!!  😲🥺🤡

I don't follow Jill, nor do I have an Instagram account.  But I've found a simple way to view her posts and videos.  I copy and paste each posting to a new window and it works perfectly!

I want to comment on Jill's shelf of teddie bears in her David hunk -  built closet.  She puts the silly bears up high, where none of her many, many small children can play with them.  In a house with absolutely no toys.

Her kids buy her those bears, and of course hunky David does too, to placate Jill during her turbulent moods, but they can't ever play with them.  It makes me so mad and so sad.

[Temperance]

2 hours ago, louannems said:

I don't follow Jill, nor do I have an Instagram account.  But I've found a simple way to view her posts and videos.  I copy and paste each posting to a new window and it works perfectly!

I want to comment on Jill's shelf of teddie bears in her David hunk -  built closet.  She puts the silly bears up high, where none of her many, many small children can play with them.  In a house with absolutely no toys.

Her kids buy her those bears, and of course hunky David does too, to placate Jill during her turbulent moods, but they can't ever play with them.  It makes me so mad and so sad.

Most of her kids are older and would be able to get the bears down. As a child, I could get things up high by climbing on things. I had friends with china dolls they couldn't really play with and were displayed like that. Hopefully there are other toys. 

 

[ginger90]

4 pictures:

 

 

[iwantcookies]

She is a servant

perfect description of her role at home 

 

[Bewitched]

She is a very pretty girl.  While I'm sure she hasn't been lead to believe there are options other than stay at home wife and mother, I hope she finds someone who will treat her well.  Because this is obviously a Tinder ad posted by Mommy.

[emmawoodhouse]

Arlissa? I think Jill just makes up names. Nurie, anyone? 

[Guest]

54 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

4 pictures:

 

 

LOL ... like this poor girl had a choice in "organizing the little girls' closet." 

It's sad that there are like 10 girls (or whatever she has) who have far fewer clothes among them than Jill has for herself.

[MonicaM]

I'm sure Kaylee Arlissa has a wonderful servant's heart and all that BS, but I suspect she tackled the closet because she's bored out of her mind.  What else is there for these kids to do all day besides busy work and trying to gain favor with big mama?  

Maybe they are used to a tedious, do-nothing-but-church lifestyle, but it looks hellish to me.  

[riverblue22]

Kaylee doesn't have that emaciated look.  Maybe being settled in Ohio and having a church full of folks giving them sides of beef, etc. has been healthier for the kids than going begging from one church to another.

[NotthebadVictoria]

58 minutes ago, riverblue22 said:

Kaylee doesn't have that emaciated look.  Maybe being settled in Ohio and having a church full of folks giving them sides of beef, etc. has been healthier for the kids than going begging from one church to another.

Maybe in all her effort to show us she feeds her kids she’s actually started feeding some of them.

[BradandJanet]

I recognize that room. It's the original closet in the barndo with the odd triangle shape that I think cuts into the checkerboard floor space, defining the shape of Jill's maze-like spa bathroom with the baby nursing/radio broadcasting chair directly across from the toilet. (It feels odd just to type that.) 

The closet came with the two shelving units shown. The carpet was dirty, and probably still is. The older daughters use the crooked closet David put in the corner of their bedroom, the closet with the ironic Paris sign over it. 

The interior of this house is put together like a jigsaw puzzle. The space is small, but if there were a fire, I don't know how they would get out or rescuers would get in. Considering all the paper and straw decor and Jill's hoarding, it's scary. 

If Jill wants to advertise Kaylee, she should show pictures of Kaylee, not that closet.  

 

[awaken]

It’s nice seeing kaylee with a fresher, less makeup covered face!  She looks so much healthier that way!  Now, if only her brows could grow in a bit!  

[emmawoodhouse]

1 hour ago, riverblue22 said:

Kaylee doesn't have that emaciated look.  Maybe being settled in Ohio and having a church full of folks giving them sides of beef, etc. has been healthier for the kids than going begging from one church to another.

Kaylee has a very square jawline. That gives the illusion of a fuller face. She's just as skinny as Nurie and Renee.

[Temperance]

2 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Arlissa? I think Jill just makes up names. Nurie, anyone? 

I've known other Nuries. It's an Arabic name meaning light. 

Kaylee is 19 and this is a personal ad. 

[tabloidlover]

2 hours ago, Giant Misfit said:

It's sad that there are like 10 girls (or whatever she has) who have far fewer clothes among them than Jill has for herself.

I was coming here to say the exact same thing.  David has more clothes than all of his children combined.  

[emmawoodhouse]

30 minutes ago, Temperance said:

I've known other Nuries. It's an Arabic name meaning light. 

Kaylee is 19 and this is a personal ad. 

Xenophobic Jill would never knowingly choose an Arabic name. I do wonder where she heard it?

Edited September 18, 2020 by emmawoodhouse
Clarity

[Zella]

14 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Xenophobic Jill would never knowingly choose an Arabic name. I do wonder where she heard it?

The voices in her head

[FizzyPuff]

8 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

Insane! And why does she ask questions in her posts, then turn on the comments? And who uses the word “luncheon?”

Is it Halloween? Maybe her and crazy eye Michelle should have a competition, whose got the best crazy eyes? 

[Heathen]

1 hour ago, Temperance said:

I've known other Nuries. It's an Arabic name meaning light. 

Kaylee is 19 and this is a personal ad. 

I had a foster kitten named Nura (Purra). She was one of my light beam kittens, along with Mahina, Ziva the Diva, and Kiran. I feel gross that I kinda sorta have something in common with Jill R. That was a year or two before I heard of the Rodriguii. 

Kaylee doesn't have the very thin arms that Nurie has, but I still think she's too thin. 

2 minutes ago, FizzyPuff said:

Is it Halloween? Maybe her and crazy eye Michelle should have a competition, whose got the best crazy eyes? 

Jill, hands down. She certainly wears enough eye makeup for her and Mullet both. 

[Zella]

Jill makes Michelle look like a well-balanced, functioning member of society. 

[floridamom]

That closet still looked like a mess to me.

[GeeGolly]

I noticed a monitor, maybe Kaylee organized the closet because she does her school work in there.

Also, what is it with JillR and chairs? Why is there a living room chair shoved in a closet? Does JillR need quick access to private chairs to breastfeed? I think there's a chair in every space of their house, including the bathrooms.

Next time I'm bored, I'm going to count how many chairs JillR has. Just for the record, we have 17 seats in the Golly house, including desk chairs, dining chairs/stools, living room/accent chairs and a couch, not one of which is in a closet or bathroom.

Edited September 18, 2020 by GeeGolly

[ginger90]

8 hours ago, BradandJanet said:

The closet came with the two shelving units shown.

Good memory! From the listing:

[kstar821]

On 8/27/2020 at 4:42 PM, ginger90 said:

3 pictures, first 2 are videos.

 

Jill reminds me of this woman that sings at our church.  She and her husband will get up and sing a contemporary number during gift collection, etc.  Her husband plays guitar and sings harmony but, like Jill, this woman is front and center with the LOUDEST singing possible just enough on key to not be bad but just enough over the top to make us all cringe.  Also like Jill, this woman sings with the confidence that she could win the Voice.  Mr. Kstar said she's really only good enough for karaoke night at the bar.  

 

 

[laurakaye]

Is there a square inch of that house that isn't covered in crap?  On top of the piano alone I spy a crate full of binders, a lamp, two ceramic cats, a small plaque, a wooden sign, a metronome and possibly a plant.  To the immediate left we have two chairs and a lamp right up against some fake dried grass accompanied by an electrical outlet and several cords (no fire hazard there).  That place must smell like a damp garage sale and the dust has to be extreme, unless the children are each assigned one room to scrub each day before they are allotted their share of gruel.  I feel like I need to sneeze just looking at photos of that house.

[Madtown]

9 hours ago, Temperance said:

Kaylee is 19 and this is a personal ad. 

I felt like I was reading some creepy Craigslist ad for a mate..

 

4 hours ago, floridamom said:

That closet still looked like a mess to me.

Organizing is my speciality(would love to do it for a living)and looking at that closet made my skin itch.

[Ohiopirate02]

11 hours ago, BradandJanet said:

I recognize that room. It's the original closet in the barndo with the odd triangle shape that I think cuts into the checkerboard floor space, defining the shape of Jill's maze-like spa bathroom with the baby nursing/radio broadcasting chair directly across from the toilet. (It feels odd just to type that.) 

The closet came with the two shelving units shown. The carpet was dirty, and probably still is. The older daughters use the crooked closet David put in the corner of their bedroom, the closet with the ironic Paris sign over it. 

The interior of this house is put together like a jigsaw puzzle. The space is small, but if there were a fire, I don't know how they would get out or rescuers would get in. Considering all the paper and straw decor and Jill's hoarding, it's scary. 

If Jill wants to advertise Kaylee, she should show pictures of Kaylee, not that closet.  

 

I thought the same thing, but all of the living spaces including bedrooms have windows, and the windows are actually accessible.  Now if you were in the bathroom when David's faulty wiring coupled with Jill's incessant need to cover all surfaces with junk causes a fire to break out, then your SOL.  

[iwantcookies]

1 hour ago, Madtown said:

I felt like I was reading some creepy Craigslist ad for a mate..

 

Organizing is my speciality(would love to do it for a living)and looking at that closet made my skin itch.

Read it as Craigslist ad for a mare! 

Which is basically what Kay is. What a sad existence she has. 

[BradandJanet]

1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I thought the same thing, but all of the living spaces including bedrooms have windows, and the windows are actually accessible.  Now if you were in the bathroom when David's faulty wiring coupled with Jill's incessant need to cover all surfaces with junk causes a fire to break out, then your SOL.  

One of David's bathrooms would be a good place to get electrocuted too.

I'm researching the layout of this place for no good reason at all except I'm stuck at home. It's truly baffling. 

The two original bedrooms went to the boys and girls, based on clear photos from Jill's remodeling archives. She kept the same paint and carpet for both rooms. The smaller, light blue room is the boys' and is at the far end of the dining (I use the term loosely) room. The Love Nest seems to be off the side of the lower dining area going toward the interior and may not have a window. In the singing for victory video of Jill in the bedroom, she pans across the room quickly. The door is open and there is light from the dining/kitchen showing. It's a tiny room, but Jill got her own bath, built in the checkerboard space, and that walk-in closet, which appears to have a framed print on the wall and a pipe with a shutoff valve. 

The kitchen/dining logically runs across the front of the low roof house, but things don't line up quite right. I guess it could run across the back of the house.

 

 

[iwantcookies]

Wouldn’t surprise me if the whole place burned to the ground!