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Scarlett45

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On 2/1/2022 at 3:59 PM, cmr2014 said:

My personal theory (based on no information other than what I've seen on tv) is that J'chelle suffered some sort of trauma, like sexual abuse, in her youth and all of this bs is a coping mechanism for her. Being pregnant all the time allowed her to be sexual, and revel in her sexuality, without being sexually objectified. There is obviously nothing more openly sexual and fertile than being pregnant, on the other hand, pregnant women are usually not sexualized by the the male population at large. Being pregnant allowed her to be both sexual and safe at the same time.

I always took it that Michelle & JB actually did have a strong chemistry and were hot for each other. I think Michelle’s super fertility gave her a LOT of attention, and she happened to be one of those women that enjoyed being pregnant (physically). Michelle continued to get attention and praise for something that was biologically easy for her, and her husband/culture supported. 

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I'm from a fairly big city and raised mostly in town though also the suburbs.  I've had the same experience.  I attend a Catholic church and am active in several volunteer things there including medic

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Once again, Michelle, I'm going to have to bum you out with a big old steaming pile of fact: I was born a girl, I'm glad to be a girl, I'm very feminine looking, I love being feminine looking...AND I'

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Happens all the time.  Had someone tell us they couldn't pay the bill for prenatal care because they were building a new house and couldn't spare the money.  Another had just bought a new car.  BTW, i

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Cinnabon

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11 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I always took it that Michelle & JB actually did have a strong chemistry and were hot for each other. I think Michelle’s super fertility gave her a LOT of attention, and she happened to be one of those women that enjoyed being pregnant (physically). Michelle continued to get attention and praise for something that was biologically easy for her, and her husband/culture supported. 

IDK, remember how MEshelle explained that sex “doesn’t take long?”

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I have a hard time reading Jim Bob and Michelle's relationship. I do think he genuinely is hot for her and is still very proud of bagging the hot cheerleader in a very disgusting teenaged way because he thinks it makes him manly. I'm not entirely sure if she's hot for him or if she just really likes him thinking she's hot, if that makes sense. I regret spending this much time thinking about this now. These are waters my mind didn't need to wade into. 🤮

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mythoughtis

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On 1/31/2022 at 6:43 PM, GeeGolly said:

What I don't get about Michelle having her hormones checked is - why did it matter? God was either going to give them another blessing or not. Michelle vowed to always be joyfully available. Hormones or no hormones, it was going to be sandwich making as usual. 

Or maybe, just maybe, they'd toss out the calendar and Michelle might have started to get migraines. 😁

Because it was all about getting pregnant.  She hadn’t gotten pregnant with her usual speed  and she wanted to know why.  Especially since her flow was probably irregular since she was edging into menopause.  She did not expect to be told that she was heading that way.  I’m sure she expected the doctor to ‘fix’ her cycle. 
Michelle didn’t  sit around and wait for all those babies, she did everything she could to get pregnant every single time after the first miscarriage. 

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GeeGolly

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1 hour ago, mythoughtis said:

Because it was all about getting pregnant.  She hadn’t gotten pregnant with her usual speed  and she wanted to know why.  Especially since her flow was probably irregular since she was edging into menopause.  She did not expect to be told that she was heading that way.  I’m sure she expected the doctor to ‘fix’ her cycle. 
Michelle didn’t  sit around and wait for all those babies, she did everything she could to get pregnant every single time after the first miscarriage. 

I think that's why JB went, but I actually think Michelle (secretly) went for the opposite reason. I believe Michelle was mostly on board trying to reach 20 kids until Josie, but I think she was done after having her. I believe the reason Josie was delivered early was because Michelle had preeclampsia - they delivered to save mom's life and hopefully save the preterm baby.

And honestly, Michelle barely dropped a tear after losing Jubilee. I believe Michelle wanted to know she wouldn't likely get pregnant and possibly become dangerously ill again due to a high risk pregnancy. I also think she wanted to give up the calendar and wanted to have sex less often.

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On 1/31/2022 at 7:43 PM, GeeGolly said:

What I don't get about Michelle having her hormones checked is - why did it matter? God was either going to give them another blessing or not. Michelle vowed to always be joyfully available. Hormones or no hormones, it was going to be sandwich making as usual. 

Or maybe, just maybe, they'd toss out the calendar and Michelle might have started to get migraines. 😁

I think they got her hormones checked, because she was still hopeful to have more babies and was disappointed that she was not pregnant. It's possible she thought she was pregnant only to test negative.

I had no problem with getting her tested. It's one of the few things they did that made sense to me.

Also they didn't use sandwich-making as euphemism for sex. 

On 2/1/2022 at 4:59 PM, cmr2014 said:

I think that J'chelle's entire identity revolved around her super-fertility, and when she found out that the baby making apparatus was closing down, it was a huge blow for her. She looked shell-shocked (to me) literally for years after that. That was when JB started trying to cheer her up with the whole "looking forward to a new season of life" mantra he blew at her over and over again.

I definitely agree with this. Michelle always wanted to be pregnant. They need to break it to her that she wouldn't be pregnant again.

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Literally every single one of those things comes down to control.   JB and Michelle are no more Godly than anyone else (probably less so).   What they are into is complete and total control.   Over thought, word and deed.   They don't want kids to be safe from sin, they want kids who won't stray outside their control.  

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GeeGolly

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55 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

Literally every single one of those things comes down to control.   JB and Michelle are no more Godly than anyone else (probably less so).   What they are into is complete and total control.   Over thought, word and deed.   They don't want kids to be safe from sin, they want kids who won't stray outside their control.  

I respectfully disagree. I think JB & M were using Gothard's rules to try and raise 'God fearing' kids who wouldn't drink, drug and have sex (or be gay and commit crimes). I also think Gothard made it so children policed themselves and each other, and the parents needed little effort to enforce the rules/restrictions, other than the threat of disappointment, punishment and the biggest threat of all - hell.

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Temperance

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6 hours ago, merylinkid said:

Literally every single one of those things comes down to control.   JB and Michelle are no more Godly than anyone else (probably less so).   What they are into is complete and total control.   Over thought, word and deed.   They don't want kids to be safe from sin, they want kids who won't stray outside their control.  

I agree with you. This is absolutely what attracts people to fundamentalism.

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GeeGolly

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4 hours ago, Temperance said:

I agree with you. This is absolutely what attracts people to fundamentalism.

I kind of think crises, fear and/or loneliness pulls folks into extreme beliefs. It seems to me its the church leaders who have control, its just more obvious in organizations like Scientology or with Jehovah's Witnesses, than it is with Independent Fundamentalist Baptists.

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GeeGolly

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To me the Duggars are worth disdain in the same way I think Tom Cruise is worthy of disdain - because of their beliefs and for promoting their beliefs. But for me anyway, I will always see JB the same way I see Tom Cruise - as a powerless bumbling fool who fell into a cult. Two guys following the crowd and enjoying a status they've always longed for, though unbeknownst to them, the status is empty. But I truly don't think either of them are controlling anything. To me they are both suckers who have given money and power to those who control them.

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Gemma Violet

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4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

To me the Duggars are worth disdain in the same way I think Tom Cruise is worthy of disdain - because of their beliefs and for promoting their beliefs. But for me anyway, I will always see JB the same way I see Tom Cruise - as a powerless bumbling fool who fell into a cult. Two guys following the crowd and enjoying a status they've always longed for, though unbeknownst to them, the status is empty. But I truly don't think either of them are controlling anything. To me they are both suckers who have given money and power to those who control them.

I think Tom (as well as John Travolta), being celebrities, may not have a choice in staying.  I think if they were to leave, all their secrets would be spilled.  They are kept on a tight leash.

But I agree JB is a bumbling fool.

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GeeGolly

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11 minutes ago, Gemma Violet said:

I think Tom (as well as John Travolta), being celebrities, may not have a choice in staying.  I think if they were to leave, all their secrets would be spilled.  They are kept on a tight leash.

But I agree JB is a bumbling fool.

Leah Remini left. She's spoken out against them and none of her "audit" secrets have been spilled. Scientology would be pulling back a curtain they don't want pulled back if they turn on celebrities because they would be revealing a pretty messed up "religion". Plus the powers that be in Scientology have been kissing TC's ass for years, making him think he is something. Just how Gothard has treated the Duggars.

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Cinnabon

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7 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

To me the Duggars are worth disdain in the same way I think Tom Cruise is worthy of disdain - because of their beliefs and for promoting their beliefs. But for me anyway, I will always see JB the same way I see Tom Cruise - as a powerless bumbling fool who fell into a cult. Two guys following the crowd and enjoying a status they've always longed for, though unbeknownst to them, the status is empty. But I truly don't think either of them are controlling anything. To me they are both suckers who have given money and power to those who control them.

All true, but I don’t think Scientology/Cruise has the goal of forcing their beliefs onto everyone else. A huge distinction IMHO.

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GeeGolly

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59 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

All true, but I don’t think Scientology/Cruise has the goal of forcing their beliefs onto everyone else. A huge distinction IMHO.

Oh but they do. Actors who have worked with Cruise have said so. And they say he doesn't quit unless directly asked to stop. They also indoctrinate their own kids by having them basically do slave duty on a ship - after signing a life contract.

That's not even going into what they do to their members who break the rules and everything else. Its a very horrible cult.

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Cinnabon

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23 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Oh but they do. Actors who have worked with Cruise have said so. And they say he doesn't quit unless directly asked to stop. They also indoctrinate their own kids by having them basically do slave duty on a ship - after signing a life contract.

That's not even going into what they do to their members who break the rules and everything else. Its a very horrible cult.

Oh, I’m aware of what they do to lower level members of the cult. It’s truly horrendous. But I don’t think they want to take rights from the rest of us who aren’t a part of it. 

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GeeGolly

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1 minute ago, Cinnabon said:

Oh, I’m aware of what they do to lower level members of the cult. It’s truly horrendous. But I don’t think they want to take rights from the rest of us who aren’t a part of it. 

You're right, they don't seem to be openly political. But they are arrogant and harmful to others, none the less. I remember TC shaming Brooke Shields for being on psych meds. I remember him practically spit screaming at Matt Lauer (eww), that TC knew more than MDs and shrinks.

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Cinnabon

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11 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

You're right, they don't seem to be openly political. But they are arrogant and harmful to others, none the less. I remember TC shaming Brooke Shields for being on psych meds. I remember him practically spit screaming at Matt Lauer (eww), that TC knew more than MDs and shrinks.

I remember that, too. Ridiculous. 

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17 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Boob made an ass of himself. He couldn't remember anything, talked over Carly Marshall (I think that's her last name), repeatedly invoked Jim Holt. Definitely a hostile witness. 

Yep. I didn't make it through the whole video. But back at the time I read the court's order on some pretrial motions, which discussed JB's testimony at the motions hearing, and said: "The Court found Mr. Duggar’s selective lapse in memory to be not credible; he was obviously reluctant to testify against his son." I also read some of the news coverage including JB's demeanor and his "I won't allow that" or words to that effect. The part of the video I watched confirmed how JB kept talking over and interrupting the prosecutor (Carly Marshall) despite being admonished by the judge not to do it.

I'm not surprised that a little tinpot dictator like JB, who has set himself up as master and controller of his immediate world, had a hard time conducting himself appropriately in court. Where he is most definitely NOT in charge. Where his role is to sit quietly, not interrupt people, and just answer the questions he is asked. 

I did a bit of litigation early in my legal career. I encountered a few people like that, sometimes during jury selection and a few times as witnesses. It's absolutely wonderful when they are testifying for the other side. Pure gold. 😂

 

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LilyD

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On 3/1/2022 at 6:35 PM, dariafan said:

How do they spin the narrative when daughters have miscarriages?    And what did they blame the loss of jubilee on?

Do you mean in a general way? Some very religious people I know, call the loss of a child God’s wish/He called them home… They tend to find great comfort in the “knowledge” that their child is in a better place. So, I assume that’s what the Duggars preach and believe.

As for their explanation for the loss of Jubilee, I don’t know. But iirc Michelle put the blame of her first miscarriage on contraception and vowed never to take it anymore. That really made me roll my eyes!

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auntieminem

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4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Poor Michelle (jk), no public Mother's Day wishes for her this year. Too dangerous for the Duggar kids to dip their toes in that murky water.

I swear I read something on Jill's instagram story about moms and she tagged her mother in law and DuggarFam. I don't remember what it was but something cute about Mom's having to wait because of taking care of everyone else.  It got my attention because of all the kids, Jill was the only one I noticed who acknowledged her on Mother's Day.  Or maybe I imagined it after my last glass of wine. 

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Gemma Violet

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I posted this in the Jessa thread, but I'll post it here as well since it's pertains to Jim Bob as well:

The transcripts came out today for the sisters' lawsuit and there was a lot about the attempts to serve Jim Bob with a subpoena. He was being subpoenaed by the defendants.   

Multiple attempts were made, one of which had Jessa turning away the server.  The server made contact at the main house and Jessa told her to leave her card and go away.   

Jim Bob strenuously avoided being served, even fleeing the state.  They tried for several months and he kept evading the subpoena.  There was a total of 15 hours spent trying to serve Jim Bob the subpoena, i.e. monitoring the residence for several hours, contacting JB's attorney, visiting Duggar-owned businesses, etc.  The server said there were about 15 cars at the main residence at all times and no one cooperated.

eta:  Sorry, I see there's already a discussion of this in a different thread.  

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CalicoKitty

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I'm the one who asked about the signature.  I was curious if an adult woman actually used a heart in her legal signature.  I guess she is not as much of an adult as I thought.  She really is stunted.  Thank you @emmawoodhouse for posting this.

Edited to add:  I wonder how she signs  if she need to use DocuSign.  She couldn't use the heart then.  Would it still be considered her legal signature?  Sometimes being too cute can cause problems.

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