Michelle and JimBob aka J'Chelle and Boob

[ginger90]

[Darknight]

On 12/30/2018 at 4:02 PM, ginger90 said:

A look back.......college.

 

 

"We tell our kids you can do anything thelord calls you to do"

 

 

Well Johanna wants to be a doctor. The lord is calling her to be a doctor Michelle 

[Churchhoney]

9 minutes ago, Darknight said:

"We tell our kids you can do anything thelord calls you to do" 

 

 

But if I tell you NOT to do it, then you MISHEARD the Lord. 

[graefin]

Came across this interview that I had not seen before:

[graefin]

Wow, Michelle likens Mary to a "single mom" while JB was growing up because JB's dad lacked a "spiritual focus."

[JoanArc]

19 minutes ago, graefin said:

Wow, Michelle likens Mary to a "single mom" while JB was growing up because JB's dad lacked a "spiritual focus."

Oh, fuck you and your easy life, Michelle.

[FizzyPuff]

1 hour ago, graefin said:

Came across this interview that I had not seen before:

Raised their kids to believe the world doesn’t revolve around them, hmm how does that work with a tv show then? 

JB “ I’ve never had a anger problem until I had kids” wow why have so many kids if you’ve got an anger problem. 

All the chores discipline training etc Michelle is talking about when was the last time michelle did anything? 

[Minivanessa]

On 1/12/2019 at 2:27 PM, ginger90 said:

So somebody posted this birthday tribute. Then JB took a good look at it and it hit him: OMG, Jana's 29 and unmarried and over the hill and it's time to PANIC. TLC's losing interest, our show ratings are stagnant and not picking up advertisers like we want. We HAVE to get Jana married! Everybody likes Jana. Her courtship/engagement/wedding will be HUGE for our ratings!

So, Jana makes her debut on Instagram and the intense marketing of Godly Beautiful Sweet Submissive Talented Homemaker Jana commences.

Just IMO. Maybe it's not about marketing Jana, it's just that we're learning it's always been a Duggar Rule that unmarried, non-courting kids can go on social media when they are about to get overripe and fall off the branch reach age 29.

Edited January 29, 2019 by Jeeves

[Barb23]

I could only listen to the first two minutes.   

When JB was talking about noticing a change in one of the kid's attitudes, he forgot to mention that is when they ship the kid to Alert or Journey of the Heart. 

[queenanne]

4 hours ago, graefin said:

Wow, Michelle likens Mary to a "single mom" while JB was growing up because JB's dad lacked a "spiritual focus."

 

These poor women unequally yoked to heathens, who then have to be the spiritual head of the household...

[floridamom]

I'm sorry, but I just listened to these two interviews. What bullshit. These two have such hard false faces to agree to have been interviewed about their 'wonderfully successful' method of training their children like seals in the circus,...to perform for them. They forgot one thing though, they neglected to mention what happened with Josh? If they are/were so utterly successful to give advice to others, how did this guy fall through the cracks?

I noticed Michelle used the 'mastering their jurisdictions' and chores thing again. She failed miserable because her grown daughters (except for Jana) haven't achieved anything in the housewife department as of yet. Her daughters' homes are filthy messes with no proper cooking skills. How does she address this now? Someone should ask her about that.

They also were asked direct questions and rarely gave answers. They were vague, repeated those cliches' again from Gothard and the Bible; and sidestepped as to HOW they accomplished what the other lady was asking them about. Their children are not brothers and sisters to one another, but competitive challenges for their parents' attention. "Instant obedience??" More like circus performers if you ask me.

I never used ANY of Michelle's 'methods' and I had well behaved children.  I wonder how that happened? I should ask Michelle.

[Churchhoney]

2 hours ago, queenanne said:

These poor women unequally yoked to heathens, who then have to be the spiritual head of the household...

Plus, as I understand it, JB's dad actually was a church-going Baptist who talked bible and such. Sent JB to a private Christian school, etc. He just wasn't committed enough for his super-godly son. (blecccccchhhhhhh) (sorry to any gods I've surely offended by that description. because no. just no.)

I wonder whether JB hasn't spent his whole life just insanely jealous of any other male in his vicinity (except first-born Joshley, maybe, who possibly existed as a badge and seal on JB's own manhood or something?) so he has to attack them and put them down. 

Edited January 29, 2019 by Churchhoney

[GeeGolly]

6 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Plus, as I understand it, JB's dad actually was a church-going Baptist who talked bible and such. Sent JB to a private Christian school, etc. He just wasn't committed enough for his super-godly son. (blecccccchhhhhhh) (sorry to any gods I've surely offended by that description. because no. just no.)

I wonder whether JB hasn't spent his whole life just insanely jealous of any other male in his vicinity (except first-born Joshley, maybe, who possibly existed as a badge and seal on JB's own manhood or something?) so he has to attack them and put them down. 

 

You ever notice, other than kissing Michelle prior to marriage, JB only shares stories of other folks' pre-saved sinful ways?

Edited January 29, 2019 by GeeGolly

[drafan]

10 hours ago, graefin said:

Came across this interview that I had not seen before:

 

I can't click on that arrow, since I no longer view anything Duggar that moves, but I do believe Boob is wearing Mullet's famous lime-green blouse.

[Normades]

16 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

I wonder whether JB hasn't spent his whole life just insanely jealous of any other male in his vicinity (except first-born Joshley, maybe

I believe he was jealous of Josh, too.  He's just that kind of ass.

[JoanArc]

17 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

You ever notice, other than kissing Michelle prior to marriage, JB only shares stories of other folks' pre-saved sinful ways?

I remembered it's been rumored on an off that JB had a 'Josh like' issue and this is why he carried the kids around, even toddlers, as accountability snitches, when alone in public. I wouldn't be surprised if/when that comes out.

[Zella]

When you say "Josh"-like, I assume you mean adultery? I hadn't heard that one,  but it is interesting if true.

[JoanArc]

36 minutes ago, Zella said:

When you say "Josh"-like, I assume you mean adultery? I hadn't heard that one,  but it is interesting if true.

Rumors were vague but it was implied adultery, not, you know, molestation. You gotta admit carrying a child around everywhere is strange, when that's not 'mens work' in their world. 

[Zella]

39 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Rumors were vague but it was implied adultery, not, you know, molestation. You gotta admit carrying a child around everywhere is strange, when that's not 'mens work' in their world. 

Hadn't thought of that, but is unusual. 

I'm also wondering if it's a lazy Duggar application of that fundie rule about men not being alone with women (as practiced by Mike Pence and Billy Graham). Of course, having a toddler along as a chaperone is patently ridiculous, but the Duggars are specialists in missing the point. . . .

[graefin]

1 hour ago, Zella said:

Hadn't thought of that, but is unusual. 

I'm also wondering if it's a lazy Duggar application of that fundie rule about men not being alone with women (as practiced by Mike Pence and Billy Graham). Of course, having a toddler along as a chaperone is patently ridiculous, but the Duggars are specialists in missing the point. . . .

Wasn't there also talk of JB refusing to look directly at waitresses when ordering in restaurants because it was ungodly or some shit? That would be along the same lines, sounds like.

[JoanArc]

6 minutes ago, graefin said:

Wasn't there also talk of JB refusing to look directly at waitresses when ordering in restaurants because it was ungodly or some shit? That would be along the same lines, sounds like.

He's probably intimidated by a working woman. Maybe guilt over being a non-tipper?

[Churchhoney]

16 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

He's probably intimidated by a working woman. Maybe guilt over being a non-tipper?

I doubt he feels any guilt about it.

After all, those women shouldn't be out taking men's jobs away and wantonly causing guys to have uncontrollable boners all over the place.

Plus, he gave this one a fake-$1000-bill mini-tract once. She could hardly ask for anything more.

[Jynnan tonnix]

22 minutes ago, graefin said:

Wasn't there also talk of JB refusing to look directly at waitresses when ordering in restaurants because it was ungodly or some shit? That would be along the same lines, sounds like.

Yeah...along the lines of the "Nike" thing. You can avert your eyes, if warned far enough in advance, not to accidentally glimpse something which might arouse improper thoughts and desires, but it's far more difficult to order in a restaurant without actually looking in the direction of your waitress who might be wearing an outfit with eyetraps (or just inherently have  built in eyetraps of her own).

I wonder what possible good a toddler child could really be as an "accountability partner", though...Would one have to coach them to notice if Daddy's eyes wander, or he says more than a word or two to the cashier, or what?

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

These people allow younger siblings (who can likely be paid off or be easily distracted) to serve as "chaperones" for courting couples. They don't get that in a chaperone system, it was/is usually older women who chaperoned because they knew what was up (and how courting couple would try to get around rules/lose the chaperones) and couldn't be paid off (I'm sure a howler or lost girl would love to watch cartoons on YouTube while the courting couple has a "walk" alone or whatever excuse).  They think as long as someone else is with the courting couple, no funny business (like frontal hugs or a kiss, you know) may happen, even if that that someone else is a nine year old or even an older, married sibling and their spouse (who may have figured out couples should have some time alone or be allowed to kiss, etc without repeating it to JB & Michelle).  Also, I don't have siblings, but I saw plenty of siblings cover for each other to their parents when it was mutually beneficial.  I'm sure the siblings can and did cover for each other when it benefited them or might benefit them in the future.  Jinger might have looked the other way when Ben front-hugged Jessa hoping Jessa might reciprocate when Jinger dated and Jessa was a chaperone.  I'm pretty sure Jinger and Jeremy front-hugged and kissed from their body language.  Their chaperones probably looked the other way because they were kids who could be convinced/bribed to do so or older sibling chaperones did it because Jinger had been a lax chaperone to her older siblings when they courted. 

God forbid JB and Michelle get off their lazy behinds and be accounatbility buddies or chaperones for their kids or each other, so you know, they have to send kids to do it for adults.  It's crazy.  These lazy people would let a toddler be an accounability buddy/chapperone as long as it didn't require effort on their part. 

[Scarlett45]

8 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Also, I don't have siblings, but I saw plenty of siblings cover for each other to their parents when it was mutually beneficial.  I'm sure the siblings can and did cover for each other when it benefited them or might benefit them in the future.  Jinger might have looked the other way when Ben front-hugged Jessa hoping Jessa might reciprocate when Jinger dated and Jessa was a chaperone.  I'm pretty sure Jinger and Jeremy front-hugged and kissed from their body language.  Their chaperones probably looked the other way because they were kids who could be convinced/bribed to do so or older sibling chaperones did it because Jinger had been a lax chaperone to her older siblings when they courted. 

Ding ding ding. 

 

I always thought the standard purpose of a chaperone or being out in public on a date was to make sure no SEX occurred, not that a couple couldn't exchange any affection at all. In that vein, a peer couple, or a slightly older couple (not an elder or parental figure) would be a better chaperone because the couple would be less censored (actually talking and being themselves) but would not have sex with other people right there in the room or at the public restaurant etc. 

I fully understand and respect if people want to save sexual intimacy for a committed relationship. But a frontal hug or a kiss? I front hug and kiss (on the cheek) my Great Aunt for Petes sake!

[Zella]

4 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

I front hug and kiss (on the cheek) my Great Aunt for Petes sake!

Yeah I do this with my grandparents. We're a couple of shameless hussies, obviously. . . . :D 

[floridamom]

I listened to that stupid speech they gave about their relationship. I'm trying to imagine WHAT BAGGAGE that was so terrible could Michelle have had at age 16? She speaks about the 'baggage she had" as a 16 year old . She should have been specific. What was it?  Ridiculous, IMO.  Their method of raising their children did NOT remove the 4 girls from bringing MOLESTATION baggage with them in to their marriages, now, did it? Do these two idiots actually think that their daughters are 'really just fine' way down deep inside them? The surfacing of this secret had Jill blubbering on TV, etc. I don't think she was over it at all, really. They are simply instructed to put those feelings away. Michelle's children had waaayyy more emotional baggage than either she OR Jim Bob claim to have had. 

[bythelake]

On 1/30/2019 at 5:12 PM, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

These people allow younger siblings (who can likely be paid off or be easily distracted) to serve as "chaperones" for courting couples. They don't get that in a chaperone system, it was/is usually older women who chaperoned because they knew what was up (and how courting couple would try to get around rules/lose the chaperones) and couldn't be paid off (I'm sure a howler or lost girl would love to watch cartoons on YouTube while the courting couple has a "walk" alone or whatever excuse).  They think as long as someone else is with the courting couple, no funny business (like frontal hugs or a kiss, you know) may happen, even if that that someone else is a nine year old or even an older, married sibling and their spouse (who may have figured out couples should have some time alone or be allowed to kiss, etc without repeating it to JB & Michelle).  Also, I don't have siblings, but I saw plenty of siblings cover for each other to their parents when it was mutually beneficial.  I'm sure the siblings can and did cover for each other when it benefited them or might benefit them in the future.  Jinger might have looked the other way when Ben front-hugged Jessa hoping Jessa might reciprocate when Jinger dated and Jessa was a chaperone.  I'm pretty sure Jinger and Jeremy front-hugged and kissed from their body language.  Their chaperones probably looked the other way because they were kids who could be convinced/bribed to do so or older sibling chaperones did it because Jinger had been a lax chaperone to her older siblings when they courted. 

God forbid JB and Michelle get off their lazy behinds and be accounatbility buddies or chaperones for their kids or each other, so you know, they have to send kids to do it for adults.  It's crazy.  These lazy people would let a toddler be an accounability buddy/chapperone as long as it didn't require effort on their part. 

But  they did chaperone Jessa and Ben in the famous mini golf humping clip, and JB thought it cute to add “you can’t do this yet” or something similar... If Ben were smart (yeah, well ), he’d  have run for the hills. The Duggars are such role models.

In addition, we got to see it over and over thanks to the TLC promo.

[queenanne]

10 hours ago, floridamom said:

I listened to that stupid speech they gave about their relationship. I'm trying to imagine WHAT BAGGAGE that was so terrible could Michelle have had at age 16? She speaks about the 'baggage she had" as a 16 year old . She should have been specific. What was it?  Ridiculous, IMO.  Their method of raising their children did NOT remove the 4 girls from bringing MOLESTATION baggage with them in to their marriages, now, did it? Do these two idiots actually think that their daughters are 'really just fine' way down deep inside them? The surfacing of this secret had Jill blubbering on TV, etc. I don't think she was over it at all, really. They are simply instructed to put those feelings away. Michelle's children had waaayyy more emotional baggage than either she OR Jim Bob claim to have had. 

She just means being an ebil unchurched sinner, in the way Jinger was overburdened with the knowledge of her own "sin nature" once she turned the ripe old age of four.  Your points are good though.

[Abstract]

Baggage = she dated other guys before JB.

[JoanArc]

5 minutes ago, Abstract said:

Baggage = she dated other guys before JB.

The real sin was that SHE LIKED IT.

[FizzyPuff]

1 hour ago, Abstract said:

Baggage = she dated other guys before JB.

Yes plus she mowed the lawn in front of her neighbour in her bikini which apparently caused a divorce lol 

[lulu69]

1 hour ago, Abstract said:

Baggage = she dated other guys before JB.

Ding ding ding..we have a winner. And I'm sure JB has held MEchelle's past over her head every single day since they met. 

I'm convinced that if JB could have gotten laid in high school he wouldn't be nearly as righteous and religious today. I don't think celibacy & waiting til marriage was really a religious choice for him.

[Guest]

42 minutes ago, lulu69 said:

I don't think celibacy & waiting til marriage was really a religious choice for him.

On the one hand, like any good fundie hypocrite, I think he's lying about his celibacy. On the other, I take one look at his face, and think, eh. Maybe not.

[JoanArc]

1 minute ago, Giant Misfit said:

On the one hand, like any good fundie hypocrite, I think he's lying about his celibacy. On the other, I take one look at his face, and think, eh. Maybe not.

There were hookers back in the 80's, too.

[Jynnan tonnix]

I don't know what the actual numbers are, but aren't there still a lot of people who don't lose their virginity in high school? I mean, I know that Mr Jyn and I were late bloomers (25 and 27) - not through religious reasons or being particularly unattractive or anything - it just didn't happen. I guess we were just both of the impression that while it wasn't something one had to put off until marriage, it also was more than entertainment. and neither of us had been in anything like a serious relationship before.

I'm not sure that getting laid (or not) in high school really has any major effect on how religious you end up, and certainly don't see where claiming not to have had a sexual relationship in your teens means that you are either lying, or some sort of hypocrite, that there must have been something wrong with you, or that hookers would have fixed it if there was no other choice... 

[galaxychaser]

John was cute as a kid. What happened?

[Churchhoney]

35 minutes ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

I don't know what the actual numbers are, but aren't there still a lot of people who don't lose their virginity in high school? I mean, I know that Mr Jyn and I were late bloomers (25 and 27) - not through religious reasons or being particularly unattractive or anything - it just didn't happen. I guess we were just both of the impression that while it wasn't something one had to put off until marriage, it also was more than entertainment. and neither of us had been in anything like a serious relationship before.

I'm not sure that getting laid (or not) in high school really has any major effect on how religious you end up, and certainly don't see where claiming not to have had a sexual relationship in your teens means that you are either lying, or some sort of hypocrite, that there must have been something wrong with you, or that hookers would have fixed it if there was no other choice... 

Yeah, there are a lot of people who haven't been sexually active by the end of high school (although how people define that muddies the stats).

 I did some research on this several years ago, and the general view is that, especially when you're talking about p in v intercourse,, the number of people who have done it was actually considerably higher in Jim Bob's day ... although even then it was far from everybody. And no-significant-sexual-activity-in-general has been a gradually increasing category of kid....

Here's what Wikipedia says currently -- "Sexual abstinence is the practice of refraining from some or all aspects of sexual activity for medical, psychological, legal, social, financial, philosophical, moral or religious reasons. For the last twenty years, abstinence rates among American adolescents have risen. The percentage of high school students in the US who reported that they have ever had sexual intercourse dropped from 54.1% in 1991 to 47.8% in 2007[1] and to 43% in 2011.[24]"     

I researched this extensively in about 2015 or thereabouts, and it appears that the drop-off, especially among kids under 16, is generally sustaining itself in the 21st century. 

People aren't exactly sure why, but the main thing sex researchers say is that during the 90s it apparently began to dawn on more kids that teen pregnancies weren't really desirable -- and if you messed around, somebody might get pregnant. Experts I talked to seemed to think that one big reason for this was the fact that more kids in general, and girls in particular, wanted to go to college and had hopes for the future that made having babies as a teen seem like a bad call.

If JB actually was among the I-haven't-had-sex! crowd, he would have been in a slight minority in his era. But if he were in those ebil no-praying gay-accepting yes-we-have-sex-ed high schools we have today, he'd be in a pretty significant majority as a no-sex guy. ... So much for all his beliefs about where morality comes from, too. 

Of course, I think he might just be pissed because until idiot Meeeechelle came along, no girl even wanted to have more than a 30-second conversation with his ugly, tacky, horny, ignorant, self-righteous mug. 

Edited February 4, 2019 by Churchhoney

[NotFundie]

4 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Here's what Wikipedia says currently -- "Sexual abstinence is the practice of refraining from some or all aspects of sexual activity for medical, psychological, legal, social, financial, philosophical, moral or religious reasons. For the last twenty years, abstinence rates among American adolescents have risen. The percentage of high school students in the US who reported that they have ever had sexual intercourse dropped from 54.1% in 1991 to 47.8% in 2007[1] and to 43% in 2011.[24]"     

 

I'm in my sixties so things have changed quite a bit.  But, back then, teens dated and we started dating around 15.  There were lots of opportunities for things to go too far with two young people alone in a car.  (Not me.  I understood that my parents would disown me if I became pregnant.)  When my own kids were teens, I noticed that there were "group dates" more than couple dates.  I wonder if that, along with better birth control information, has helped the rate drop.

[JoanArc]

37 minutes ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

I don't know what the actual numbers are, but aren't there still a lot of people who don't lose their virginity in high school?

"Getting laid" can also mean getting drunk, or just letting his hair down a bit.

[Churchhoney]

5 minutes ago, NotFundie said:

I'm in my sixties so things have changed quite a bit.  But, back then, teens dated and we started dating around 15.  There were lots of opportunities for things to go too far with two young people alone in a car.  (Not me.  I understood that my parents would disown me if I became pregnant.)  When my own kids were teens, I noticed that there were "group dates" more than couple dates.  I wonder if that, along with better birth control information, has helped the rate drop.

Definitely. The society's changed in many many ways since we oldsters were kids, and the dropoff has to do with a lot of those changes. 

[lulu69]

To clarify my original statement, there is absolutely nothing wrong with waiting to have sex until one is comfortable and ready, whatever age that may be. However, I doubt JB's celibacy was a conscious choice on his part.

[PradaKitty]

I wonder what sort of life Michelle would be living today if she had never met Jim Bob. 

I’ll bet she wonders too....

[Jynnan tonnix]

1 hour ago, JoanArc said:

"Getting laid" can also mean getting drunk, or just letting hishair down a bit.

Really? I've never heard that usage, but then again it's been a very long time since I was of the age where it was a common topic of conversation LOL

[floridamom]

I have wondered why this boyfriend that high school Michelle had has never come forward and identified himself as the OTHER GUY WHO KISSED MICHELLE. Does anyone know who he is?There has to be other kids in their graduating class in Arkansas who know the guy at least from their yearbook.

[libgirl2]

1 hour ago, PradaKitty said:

I wonder what sort of life Michelle would be living today if she had never met Jim Bob. 

I’ll bet she wonders too....

I could see her married with a couple of kids, I don't know if she would have had some grand career, but I can see her working at an office as a receptionist. I can also see her as someone who is athletic, maybe she would run or at least work out often. 

[Churchhoney]

57 minutes ago, floridamom said:

I have wondered why this boyfriend that high school Michelle had has never come forward and identified himself as the OTHER GUY WHO KISSED MICHELLE. Does anyone know who he is?There has to be other kids in their graduating class in Arkansas who know the guy at least from their yearbook.

My guess is he's holding back to avoid the embarrassment.  

"I kissed somebody who, just a year or so later, was stupid and tasteless enough to throw herself into the arms of Jim Bob Duggar! Ewwwwwwwwww! And what does that say about me? Ouch!" 

Edited February 4, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Westiepeach]

27 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

My guess is he's holding back to avoid the embarrassment.  

"I kissed somebody who, just a year or so later, was stupid and tasteless enough to throw herself into the arms of Jim Bob Duggar! Ewwwwwwwwww! And what does that say about me? Ouch!" 

I was just going to say that! He does not want to be associated with this train wreck. 

[McManda]

6 hours ago, NotFundie said:

When my own kids were teens, I noticed that there were "group dates" more than couple dates.  I wonder if that, along with better birth control information, has helped the rate drop.

I think a lot of it has to do with changing societal norms, too. I'm no longer in high school and come from a decently affluent area, but the amount of things kids are expected to do is insane. I was involved in some extra curriculars 15 years ago, but even then between that and finding time for homework I was too busy to be going out of my way to find time to have sex. And in my small town highschool of maybe 1000 students, we had maybe two teen pregnancies in my time there. And I'm talking small town, could ride your tractor to school, got nothing more to do than hang out with a guy in the hay loft, small town. But we still had that pressure to at least graduate before having a baby. (Though I don't know. While I was not out having sex, maybe everyone else was and or sex ed was just that good.)

We live in a would where kindergartners have standardized tests now. The pressure to be a well rounded student is intense. And outside of fundyland I think it would absolutely abnormal to find someone who aspired to have even 10 kids. Even my friend, who in highschool wanted to get married and have 5 kids, wanted to go to college first because it's just what was expected. 

The fact that Michelle was sooooo in loooove with JB that she had to marry him before she turned 18 is just not something that would happen now, at least around me.

6 hours ago, NotFundie said:

When my own kids were teens, I noticed that there were "group dates" more than couple dates.  I wonder if that, along with better birth control information, has helped the rate drop.

I think a lot of it has to do with changing societal norms, too. I'm no longer in high school and come from a decently affluent area, but the amount of things kids are expected to do is insane. I was involved in some extra curriculars 15 years ago, but even then between that and finding time for homework I was too busy to be going out of my way to find time to have sex. And in my small town highschool of maybe 1000 students, we had maybe two teen pregnancies in my time there. And I'm talking small town, could ride your tractor to school, got nothing more to do than hang out with a guy in the hay loft, small town. But we still had that pressure to at least graduate before having a baby. (Though I don't know. While I was not out having sex, maybe everyone else was and or sex ed was just that good.)

We live in a would where kindergartners have standardized tests now. The pressure to be a well rounded student is intense. And outside of fundyland I think it would absolutely abnormal to find someone who aspired to have even 10 kids. Even my friend, who in highschool wanted to get married and have 5 kids, wanted to go to college first because it's just what was expected. 

The fact that Michelle was sooooo in loooove with JB that she had to marry him before she turned 18 is just not something that would happen now, at least around me.

[mimionthebeach]

20 hours ago, galaxychaser said:

John was cute as a kid. What happened?

The ugly on the inside started showing.