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35 minutes ago, skatelady said:

It's also possible that they want to "prove" that librul edumacation is unnecessary because Look How Successful We Are Without College. And college is just a plot to separate you from your money, and JB is so wise to have figured that out.

College is also filled with librul professors who are looking to brainwash good Christian young people and turn them towards a life of Satan-influenced debauchery.  

7 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

I can’t see any of the kids actually being interested in college. They all seem so uninterested in anything vaguely intellectual, just no curiosity at all. Have we ever seen any of them reading a book other than the Bible or something religious?

The Duggars and their ilk frown upon intellectual curiosity.  Their kids are taught to regurgitate the Bible and never, ever disagree with their parents about anything.  Ever.

Recall also that JB and M thought that their kids could become plumbers and electricians and experts in home construction by just watching someone else do it for a couple of hours.  

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1 minute ago, Rootbeer said:

College is also filled with librul professors who are looking to brainwash good Christian young people and turn them towards a life of Satan-influenced debauchery.  

And they may sit next to someone with green hair (TM Erin Bates).

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3 hours ago, MargeGunderson said:

I can’t see any of the kids actually being interested in college. They all seem so uninterested in anything vaguely intellectual, just no curiosity at all. Have we ever seen any of them reading a book other than the Bible or something religious?

Seems to me their "schooling" was probably so incredibly boring, incomprehensible, and uninspiring that the only thing any of them wanted at the end of it was for it to stop. 

They had no real teachers; they had terrible terrible materials; literally everything they did was rote learning; and they were constantly preached to from birth that following your brain instead of God's specific words is evil, that schools and school buses are horrifying awful evil places, and that they're receiving the epitome of American education. 

I think after all that many are likely to both disdain any school except the one they just "graduated" from -- which has been sold to them as the best ever -- and they've been so bored and annoyed out of their skulls by this supposedly best school in the world that they've absolutely no willingness to try out one of those lesser schools.. 

Nevertheless, over the years, some kids have expressed an interest in pursuing learning that would lead to some career -- Josiah talked about being an accountant, one of the lost girls (was it Jenny?)  talked about being a veterinarian or a doctor, and Jill talked about nursing and even tried, according to her lights, to become a halfway-trained-fundie-legit basic primitive midwife. Heck, even Joshley talked about law school once upon a time.

But all the spark seems to have been knocked out of Josiah at some point.

And when she even tried to master the training as a fundie-not-really-a-midwife midwife -- and, I think, looked into what she'd have to learn to be an actual SBC missionary with Derick -- what Jill apparently learned was that her so-called great "education" had left her with a Mt. Everest-scale climb to attain even those relatively modest goals, despite what she'd been led to believe.

And it looks doubtful that, given the family tradition she sees ahead of her, any Lost Girl actually aspires to a college education any more (although I'd hope for a true dreamer down there somewhere.)

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College educations, and sometimes beyond, are necessary to become lawyers, accountants, doctors, etc. I don’t see any if the current fundies producing any kids that would be capable of this.  Can’t “rule the world” without someone being trained for these professions.

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On 11/24/2021 at 6:54 PM, Cinnabon said:

College educations, and sometimes beyond, are necessary to become lawyers, accountants, doctors, etc. I don’t see any if the current fundies producing any kids that would be capable of this.  Can’t “rule the world” without someone being trained for these professions.

Yep. But it looks like a lot of the Gothard families just decided to refuse to believe that. And it's especially weird because quite a few Gothardite parents, men especially but also women, are pretty well educated. They have a fair number of MDs, for example......Of course, some of them do send their kids to college. .... Gothard didn't exactly tell them not to, but he preached such a lot about the virtues of being isolated that it almost amounted to the same thing. ....That's where an idea like College Minus Plus (I forget what the names its later spinoffs are and don't know if they even still exist...) came from, of course....

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3 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Seems to me their "schooling" was probably so incredibly boring, incomprehensible, and uninspiring that the only thing any of them wanted at the end of it was for it to stop. 

They had no real teachers; they had terrible terrible materials; literally everything they did was rote learning; and they were constantly preached to from birth that following your brain instead of God's specific words is evil, that schools and school buses are horrifying awful evil places, and that they're receiving the epitome of American education. 

I think after all that many are likely to both disdain any school except the one they just "graduated" from -- which has been sold to them as the best ever -- and they've been so bored and annoyed out of their skulls by this supposedly best school in the world that they've absolutely no willingness to try out one of those lesser schools.. 

Nevertheless, over the years, some kids have expressed an interest in pursuing learning that would lead to some career -- Josiah talked about being an accountant, one of the lost girls (was it Jenny?)  talked about being a veterinarian or a doctor, and Jill talked about nursing and even tried, according to her lights, to become a halfway-trained-fundie-legit basic primitive midwife. Heck, even Joshley talked about law school once upon a time.

But all the spark seems to have been knocked out of Josiah at some point.

And when she even tried to master the training as a fundie-not-really-a-midwife midwife -- and, I think, looked into what she'd have to learn to be an actual SBC missionary with Derick -- what Jill apparently learned was that her so-called great "education" had left her with a Mt. Everest-scale climb to attain even those relatively modest goals, despite what she'd been led to believe.

And it looks doubtful that, given the family tradition she sees ahead of her, any Lost Girl actually aspires to a college education any more (although I'd hope for a true dreamer down there somewhere.)

I still laugh at Derelict's claims that Jill had more "higher education" than "most" of their critics. It was later revealed that she took some online bible courses from a laughable bible college. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I still laugh at Derelict's claims that Jill had more "higher education" than "most" of their critics. It was later revealed that she took some online bible courses from a laughable bible college. 

 

 

Derick -- Willfully Ignorant Drinker of Kool-Aid. ... He swallowed all the Duggar lines uncritically, And at that point Jill probably believed all her parents' bullshit about how educated their children are  and sold the same line. I do think the kids were kept ignorant of it. I mean, they had them doing commercials for College Minus and pretending that they were educating to a high standard and that they would send them to college -- and I believe at least JB and likely both of them knew the whole time that they had no intention of doing that.

I guess that's part of why he got so bitter later.  You asked for it, Der. 😁

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11 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I still laugh at Derelict's claims that Jill had more "higher education" than "most" of their critics. It was later revealed that she took some online bible courses from a laughable bible college. 

 

 

Ah, Derick… I hope all that “lotion time” was worth the price of your soul. I hope you realize now that most of us probably have more “higher education” than your wife. Or “education” for that matter…

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14 minutes ago, Westiepeach said:

Ah, Derick… I hope all that “lotion time” was worth the price of your soul. I hope you realize now that most of us probably have more “higher education” than your wife. Or “education” for that matter…

I'll never forget how defensive he was. 

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Ugh the injected turkey sitting out in Germville.  Probably stuffed, too.  They won’t get sick though.  They are used to it.  I remember Jessa’s burned rolls.

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9 minutes ago, ozziemom said:

Looks like an infant car seat in the puzzle picture so Anna and the Mkids must be there. Fern is at the Seewalds and I don’t think other kid would be in that car seat.

Of course Anna's kids are there. But is Anna?

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10 minutes ago, SMama said:

So nice for the Duggars to have a carefree Thanksgiving filled with fun, games, smiles, and not a care in the world. I wonder how the Rebers are faring. 

I'm sure the Rebers had their kids and their spouses over. Or maybe they wised up and went to Lemuel's house. I wouldn't expect newlywed Hannah ready to put up a Thanksgiving spread. But would they have to take Smuggar with them, or could they leave him at the house with Anna? 

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15 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I'm sure the Rebers had their kids and their spouses over. Or maybe they wised up and went to Lemuel's house. I wouldn't expect newlywed Hannah ready to put up a Thanksgiving spread. But would they have to take Smuggar with them, or could they leave him at the house with Anna? 

No Duggar can supervise Volderjosh.

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4 hours ago, ozziemom said:

Looks like an infant car seat in the puzzle picture so Anna and the Mkids must be there. Fern is at the Seewalds and I don’t think other kid would be in that car seat.

In one pic, Kendra is holding her youngest.  She looks pretty tiny so maybe it’s hers?

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2 hours ago, Jenniferbug said:

Who is the girl with the braid in the background of the picture where Jana is cutting butter? 

I don't know... Jordyn is the only Lost Girl not seen in other photos, but it doesn't look like her. Mckenzie? Cousin Emily?

Whoever it is was in a picture on Stories, too. She looks like Joy (but I know it's not Joy since she's in Texas).

 

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The kids are cute.   but how incredibly tone deaf.   It's not like people don't know that Josh is going on trial next Tuesday for possessing child porn.   Fine you have a nice Thanksgiving for the kids, but you don't plaster it all over social media like you don't have a care in the world.     

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6 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

but you don't plaster it all over social media like you don't have a care in the world.     

They don’t have a care in the world. They are God’s special creatures, the chosen, and their precious first born penis is being persecuted because of his unwavering adherence to their faith, the right faith. Precious Josh will be vindicated. Tone deaf doesn’t begin to explain that mess. 

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I'm okay with this. Life goes on. There's no reason to hide it from masses. I mean Josh probably even celebrated Thanksgiving in some form. It'll probably be his last not served on a metal tray for a while.

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On 11/24/2021 at 12:34 PM, Churchhoney said:

Seems to me their "schooling" was probably so incredibly boring, incomprehensible, and uninspiring that the only thing any of them wanted at the end of it was for it to stop. 

They had no real teachers; they had terrible terrible materials; literally everything they did was rote learning; and they were constantly preached to from birth that following your brain instead of God's specific words is evil, that schools and school buses are horrifying awful evil places, and that they're receiving the epitome of American education. 

I think after all that many are likely to both disdain any school except the one they just "graduated" from -- which has been sold to them as the best ever -- and they've been so bored and annoyed out of their skulls by this supposedly best school in the world that they've absolutely no willingness to try out one of those lesser schools.. 

Nevertheless, over the years, some kids have expressed an interest in pursuing learning that would lead to some career -- Josiah talked about being an accountant, one of the lost girls (was it Jenny?)  talked about being a veterinarian or a doctor, and Jill talked about nursing and even tried, according to her lights, to become a halfway-trained-fundie-legit basic primitive midwife. Heck, even Joshley talked about law school once upon a time.

But all the spark seems to have been knocked out of Josiah at some point.

And when she even tried to master the training as a fundie-not-really-a-midwife midwife -- and, I think, looked into what she'd have to learn to be an actual SBC missionary with Derick -- what Jill apparently learned was that her so-called great "education" had left her with a Mt. Everest-scale climb to attain even those relatively modest goals, despite what she'd been led to believe.

And it looks doubtful that, given the family tradition she sees ahead of her, any Lost Girl actually aspires to a college education any more (although I'd hope for a true dreamer down there somewhere.)

You're so right in their education was so boring.  At one of the Duggar's enormous "graduation" parties, one of the graduating Howlers said he was just so relieved to be done with school.

He seemed to have no future goals at all.

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6 hours ago, floridamom said:

If Michelle had time to sit down and do a puzzle, I'm pretty sure the cooking was not being done by her. She delegated it to the others, as usual.

J'chelle does "so much" for them that the least they can do is prepare a Thanksgiving meal for 40 people.

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On 11/24/2021 at 2:19 PM, MargeGunderson said:

I can’t see any of the kids actually being interested in college. They all seem so uninterested in anything vaguely intellectual, just no curiosity at all. Have we ever seen any of them reading a book other than the Bible or something religious?

There's also a social aspect to college -- the opportunity to meet new people and have new experiences; to expand one's horizons beyond one's home and community of origin; and to reinvent one's self. None of that is okay in Gothard-world. It would be a non-starter for JB and J'chelle and terrifying for most of their offspring.

One thing that JB and J'chelle have been successful in teaching their children is that they are NEVER the students. Joe went to Clown College and "ministered" to other evangelical students. Jill became a "missionary" to educate other Christians on the right Jesus. Jill and Jessa in particular have used their SM platforms to "teach" the rest of us any number of things that they clearly don't know themselves (e.g. cooking and child rearing).

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TBH, I think posting these Thanksgiving pictures this weekend is the right move for them. For one thing, it's a good reminder of their brand - big family, lots of small cute children - which is in kinda desperate need of rebuilding right now.  And from the viewpoint of Josh's trial, it could go either way - either these pictures show that they're so confident that Josh is innocent that they aren't worried at all about the trial, or that they really, genuinely don't care about Josh and they certainly aren't going to let his myriad terrible, terrible decisions stop them from enjoying a large family meal and a jigsaw puzzle. 

Which sets them up for either a "see, we knew he was innocent!" or "see, we have completely disconnected our family and brand from him." Whether anyone will be convinced by this is another question, but I can see why they're doing this. 

 

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52 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

There's also a social aspect to college -- the opportunity to meet new people and have new experiences; to expand one's horizons beyond one's home and community of origin; and to reinvent one's self. None of that is okay in Gothard-world. It would be a non-starter for JB and J'chelle and terrifying for most of their offspring.

One thing that JB and J'chelle have been successful in teaching their children is that they are NEVER the students. Joe went to Clown College and "ministered" to other evangelical students. Jill became a "missionary" to educate other Christians on the right Jesus. Jill and Jessa in particular have used their SM platforms to "teach" the rest of us any number of things that they clearly don't know themselves (e.g. cooking and child rearing).

Don’t forget Jessa’s pathetic attempts at trying to cut hair!

45 minutes ago, quarks said:

TBH, I think posting these Thanksgiving pictures this weekend is the right move for them. For one thing, it's a good reminder of their brand - big family, lots of small cute children - which is in kinda desperate need of rebuilding right now.  And from the viewpoint of Josh's trial, it could go either way - either these pictures show that they're so confident that Josh is innocent that they aren't worried at all about the trial, or that they really, genuinely don't care about Josh and they certainly aren't going to let his myriad terrible, terrible decisions stop them from enjoying a large family meal and a jigsaw puzzle. 

Which sets them up for either a "see, we knew he was innocent!" or "see, we have completely disconnected our family and brand from him." Whether anyone will be convinced by this is another question, but I can see why they're doing this. 

 

They don’t need a “brand, “ they all need to get jobs. 

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3 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

They don’t need a “brand, “ they all need to get jobs. 

You're not wrong, but a) I think they are hoping they can go back to supplementing their income with some sort of reality star appearances/speaking circuit, which requires rebuilding the brand, and b) to be somewhat fair, a lot of the jobs they either sorta have or could possibly do require a certain level of public trust. I would not be surprised at all to learn that sales are down at Jed!'s car lot, for instance, and will decline further during/immediately after the trial. It's easier to be a real estate agent if people don't associate your family name with CSA. And so on. 

So this makes sense. I'm just not sure it's going to work, mostly because the majority of the younger Duggarlings are pretty boring, and it's going to be very hard to for "hey, here's some boring people doing some jigsaw puzzles!" to compete with next week's news. But I can see why they are trying. 

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