S19.E09: Week 8, Part 2

[archer1267]

That said, Chris seems to have a complete inability to react to things and process info at a normal person's speed.

 

 

I think Jade showed him the photos as a way of reassuring him that they "weren't that bad" as what he might be imagining. And maybe she did want to test him and see if he was excited. He was put on the spot, yeah, but I was almost yelling at the TV for him to SAY SOMETHING, anything, in response. It wasn't an easy thing for her to bring up and he could have pushed himself to say "you look beautiful" or something light ("Wow, I'm a lucky guy to be seeing these!") even if he was feeling weirded out.

 

I think being a successful Bachelor/ette requires a certain amount of emotional intelligence and knowing how to put others at ease, especially when thrown a curve ball (because you know there are going to be quite a few). Chris just isn't there.

[Jodio]

Since I have no self-control, I just used the google to look up Jade's playboy pics. Now that I've seen her labia, I don't know if I can handle a whole season of her as the Bachelorette without picturing them super-imposed over her face, so my vote goes for anyone but Jade.

 

And a big FUCK YOU to Chris about his superior "small town" values! Yeah, from what I heard tonight, small town values mean either doing softcore porn or judging/slut-shaming others for doing softcore porn.

 

Becca=lipstick lesbian.

[backformore]

So many weird things tonight. I like Becca, but what the hell is up with her family? She said in an earlier episode that not having sex was a choice she made - she could have been lying about that for whatever reason, but if we take her at face value, it's not that strange that someone who's chosen to abstain from sex wouldn't be into a lot of overt PDAs, and some people just don't like being touchy with their significant others around their family (I'm like that - it has nothing to do with not wanting to be touched in general, I just don't like a lot of touching while hanging out with my family). The way her family talked about her was like she was the 40 Year Old Virgin. It's not that weird to be inexperienced in love at 26.

 

Yeah, the way Becca's sister was talking, I was waiting for her to blurt out "we thought she was a lesbian!"   or "the way she avoids people, I figured she had autism!"  I grew up in a big family.   The way my  siblings teased, I would never feel comfortable expressing affection in front of them.  My mom is very reserved, it's her upbringing in Europe, and I never saw affection at home.  I just wanted to yell at the sister -  yeah, you never saw Becca make out with anyone - who the hell does that in front of others?  She was a nosy old bitch, as far as I'm concerned.  

 

Now Whitney's sister, I could understand.   "No, I'm not giving you permission to marry my sister  when you're still dating others.   Ask her to marry you if that's what you want, she can make up her own mind.  But I've seen too many of these Bachelor shows, and I'm not endorsing an engagement that may or may not happen. "   It's like a chicken-shit way of proposing -  If I asked, would you marry me?   No, you don't get an answer to a hypothetical question.  Ask a REAL question if you want a real answer. 

[Artsda]

I find it odd that Chris took Becca instead of Jade who he had just took to his hometown and been the one to meet his parents. I think the Playboy/free spirit from all her family had an effect. I do think Jade wasn't going to be happy in Iowa, looks like she was a free spirit who wanted out of her small mid-west town and went to the big city of LA. Going to Iowa seems like something that would be backwards and wouldn't make her happy in the long run.

 

If Chris can't leave the country, that could be an issue. I remember Chris Brown and even Eminem had tours in Canada and ended up having to cancel when they denied them entry because of on going court cases. 

 

I was happy to see Britt go and Carly follow her. Carly was way too mean girl over Britt and happy to see her fail or bring her down. Really hope she's not the Bachelorette. It should be any of the final 4. Whitney, Kaitlyn who is great and fun , Jade or Becca.

 

Becca would be an interesting choice. Virgin, not intimate, never been in love Bachelorette? She'd be a female Sean. I do wonder how she decided to join this show if she's got all the intimacy issues her sister basically said she had. 

[Superpole2000]

Becca-  She's so boring.  I imagine they'd just sit around their house in silence.  Some thing is off with Becca, I don't think it's just shyness.  Huge red flags that her family is telling Chris it's not normal for her to be affectionate with a guy.  She's never brought a guy home?  She's pretty and smart, how has her family never seen her hold hands with a guy?

 

I think Becca would be a great match for an entertaining, interesting, life of the party type of guy. Based on Chris' difficulty speaking and general dullness, he is not the right fit. I don't think there are any red flags with Becca, though. I don't bring home dates to my parents either because I haven't lived with them since I was a teen and because parents complicate early stage relationships. My family would probably say I lack affection and intimacy, but they don't have insight into my romantic relationships. The same is true of Becca's sister, whose mother hen act was kind of mean.

 

Jade showing Chris her nude photos was really weird. That would have been a complete turn off for me. I also think it is too close to call between Britt and Jade as to who would be the more annoying Bachelorette. Jade's montone voice and lack of expression would make for horrible TV, and Britt's contrasting bubbliness might push me to find a life on Monday nights.

[Padma]

Lots of weirdness tonight. First, control-freak Britt lost the lifelong edge of believing "I'm the most desirable one here" and couldn't handle it. I'm surprised Chris wasn't feeling the loss more deeply. Ever since their two hour "nap", followed by their behavior in Deadwood, I believe Britt felt she had it all wrapped up (I thought so, too.) I was surprised Chris let her go like that; I thought he felt more for her. 

 

Whitney-- I like her directness and she'd be good for him, I think (not sure about the other way around). I didn't mind her punking him about testing his sperm, someone has to give this show some life and its not usually Chris. The wine would have been okay with "I'm in love with you" instead of "I bought this to share with the man I'm going to marry." Because...I thought she was waiting for a traditional proposal...sister's permission...etc.? That seemed a bit too pushy. (And if you don't want your sister's honesty, then just decide for yourself about marriage without her "permission". I thought she had the right idea completely, "You have three others. If you decide to propose to Whitney, call me."

 

Jade--I don't understand her either, Chris. She is quiet and seems shy and reserved. Then she shows him her very explicit (judging from comment upthread) nude photos along with a video of her taking off all of her clothes. Is she just an exhibitionist? I got a creepy vibe from her dad and also think the "she's so wild" thing wasn't just about one modeling job and a video. I don't think she showed Chris (or tv cameras) who she was if she's as wild as the family thinks. Like Chris said, she didn't seem wild at all. That alone would be pretty unnerving.

 

Becca--another strange story. Is she all there mentally? I have no idea what she does professionally, but she seems kind of "different", distant, hard to figure. Her family telling him how she's never expressed any interest in boys or men or dating and doesn't like to be touched was odd, too. Why do they think she came on this show? 

 

Most of all, her visit reminded me how I look forward to the FRC until...right about now...when I suddenly remember that the person who is only F2 is usually very hurt at the end. I think Kaitlyn could handle it, but Becca or Whitney seem as if they would be devastated. I will never understand how TB can talk to family members who BEG him or her not to lead on or hurt their son/daughter (brother, in Andi's season) and then...two seconds later are doing just that. It would be easy, especially with Becca, to keep the relationship away from kissing, more into hand-holding/cuddling if Chris isn't seriously interested (and I don't for a minute believe that he is). And yet...there he was...and she was feeling like "this is the day I fell in love."  So cruel. And in this case (as it has been before), so avoidable.

[Phei]

Britt has 8 followers on twitter 1 is abc and the 7 others are churches, she is trying really hard to be the Bachelorette.

I'm a little bored tonight and went to the Arlington town main website and there's a whole list of business with phone numbers, maybe they painted the town to be more "dead" than it really is?

 

http://arlingtonia.com/arlington__businesses__welcome_y.html

[Ketzel]

I did think it was funny when Chris followed Britt out of the RC, told her he'd heard that she lied to him about wanting to live in Arlington, then got all huffy and refused to answer when she asked who'd told him that. He wasn't so discreet when he confronted Kelsey with Kardashley's criticisms!

I don't care how mournful Chris seemed after he booted Jade. He's not the kind of guy who could handle all the men in his world, from his father to his farmhands, knowing what his wife looked like nekkid, not to mention watching her strip on video whenever they were in the mood for a little adult entertainment. On the other hand, he might well have been regretting letting her go before the Fantasy Suite. He knows he's never going to get a shot at a Playboy model ever again, and his buddies are certainly going to rib him unmercifully for blowing his chance.

[Andromeda]

Britt has 8 followers on twitter 1 is abc and the 7 others are churches, she is trying really hard to be the Bachelorette.

I'm a little bored tonight and went to the Arlington town main website and there's a whole list of business with phone numbers, maybe they painted the town to be more "dead" than it really is?

 

http://arlingtonia.com/arlington__businesses__welcome_y.html

I bet that website hasn't been touched in years. We saw The Market, and it's closed. Arlington Locker, too. Many of the others probably are, as well. 

 

Well... I don't have much to add. Carly annoyed my husband, but I loved her. I also thought Britt was ridiculous how she knew she was at the end of the line, but desperate to leave "on her terms." She knew she was on the Bachelor, and would be sharing until the final rose, but apparently in her world, the rules don't apply to Britt.

 

Chris seemed to genuinely appreciate Carly's ratting on Britt, which I found interesting. It's generally that the one doing the bad talk goes home before the target of said bad talk. I'm amazed Carly thought she'd dodge that Bachelor truism. This time they both left. I do wonder if Carly wasn't asked by production to express her reservations over Britt in elaborate fashion (with hand puppets!) because she was a dead bachelorette walking. Everyone expected she was going home, but Chris decided to keep them all, so everyone knew Carly was living on borrowed time. She seemed to know it, too, so maybe production suggested she express herself freely since she had no shot with Chris anyway. Well, that was my theory, but she sure seemed broken up in the limo.

 

I'm starting to think it was the producers' idea for Chris to be Andi's "secret admirer" -- he doesn't seem to have the creativity or romantic outlook that required.

 

ITA with thoughts upthread about Jade's paradoxical introversion/wild behavior, and Becca's family's comments.

 

Whitney's dog... HAH! I thought it had to be a boy puppy, what with the humping, but it was a girl! I love that she has a cute little white puppy, so do I. The sperm-donation thing was kinda gross (and all of America had to be thinking about Jade maybe being in that stack of Playboys), but at least it was interesting.

 

So funny that Chris is taking the virgin to the fantasy suite instead of the Playboy model! I wonder how Jade really feels about her nude modeling. If she's happy with herself, any guy she dates needs to accept that and not be judgmental. If she's regretful or embarrassed, that's a different story, and she needs a guy who's understanding. I couldn't really tell where she stood -- I think she felt regretful, but I got the feeling it was more because of how potential dates judged her than her own regrets. And I think Chris was thinking, "How would Jade ever fit into the local quilting bee? The biddies there would treat her like a pariah!"

 

I could not believe how long he sat there without saying a word when Jade told him her secret and shared the photos. Not a word for the longest time! Not, "Wow, you're so beautiful," or "It's OK, everyone makes mistakes" (Mr. DUI!). (Thanks for the info on Canada and DUIs. I had no idea that was the reason they filmed in Phoenix! I wonder if her parents had to extend their stay to accommodate the visit.)

 

Interesting that his sisters escaped Arlington, and now live in Chicago. Whitney seemed to think they'd be traveling there every other weekend for family visits. But her career is "very important" to her, so how exactly is that going to work? Obviously that job can't be done that many places -- it looked like a big, regional clinic, and I can tell Whitney is proud of herself for her career success.

 

Kaitlyn... I got nothing. She is SO not a fit with Chris. Her attitude and tastes are far too urban to fit in the "conservative small-town" Iowa that Chris describes.

Edited February 17, 2015 by Andromeda

[Palomar]

Also, if I was Chris' final one, I would be leery of Britt. She is a woman scorned and she's going to see all the mean things the women said behind her back. Plus Chris is probably going to feel sorry for Britt. The other women totally oversold the "she's a fake liar" claims.

 

Let's hope for Chris' sake that Britt still isn't feeling pissed and entitled by the time of the Women Tell All and that she doesn't blurt out "Then why did you sleep with me?" (assuming the nap wasn't really just a nap) ala Nick in Andi's season.  But if she wants to be the next Bachelorette she will behave.  I was surprised Chris didn't pick Jade over Kaitlin just so it didn't seem like the reason was the "reveal" and just because it never seemed Kaitlin was a serious contender.

 

Since it is ultimately about the ratings, can see Jade or Britt being the next Bachelorette (whichever one plays it right) or Whitney if there is a lot of drama if she is not picked. Just to point out, if Jade was shy about the playboy pics, she wouldn't have gone on the show. And I doubt the producers missed this fact in their background checking.

[TomGirl]

I agree with the consensus that Chris is an exceedingly dull Bachelor and horrible conversationalist. I don't think I've ever heard him discuss anything meaningful or interesting with any of the women. I'd be very interested to hear more about his daily life on the farm. I have no idea what he actually does, how he spends his time, what an average day is like. I have no idea how he envisions his future wife spending her time, whether ( and how and where) she might work, etc. How can they not be talking about this stuff??

[JellyFishQueen]

Was Chris was in the swamp on the boat I really wished ABC played banjo version of rainbow connection...

 

Chris kept on talking about "Small town value" for the girl, I really don't know what he means by that. I feel like this is coded for something when politicians say it.

[Zahdii]

I agree with the consensus that Chris is an exceedingly dull Bachelor and horrible conversationalist. I don't think I've ever heard him discuss anything meaningful or interesting with any of the women. I'd be very interested to hear more about his daily life on the farm. I have no idea what he actually does, how he spends his time, what an average day is like. I have no idea how he envisions his future wife spending her time, whether ( and how and where) she might work, etc. How can they not be talking about this stuff??

 

I agree.  For all we know, he has talked about this stuff and TPTB have deemed it not worthy of broadcasting.  Why they wouldn't show those types of conversations seems to be because the producers don't want the audience to be able to pick out the 'winner' until the last second.  We're supposed to believe that all the prospective mates are all in love with the lead, or could be with just a bit more time together.  The lead is supposed to be falling for multiple people and only at the very end realizes which person is the 'right one'. 

 

That scenario usually works for the first couple of seasons that a viewer watches, but after that most people I know spend their time snarking on the dates, the crazy contestants, the failure of the lead to realize who's a viable option of a mate, the production interference, etc.  Seasoned viewers have discarded their rose colored glasses and are analyzing the most minute details to discern which contestant is the one the bachelor/bachelorette is actually interested in.  Viewers who go to sites like PTV get together and discuss the background music, cyber stalk the contestants, create timelines, point out when a talking head seems to be from another point during the shooting than what it's being presented as happening, etc.  It's become a game of Clue, but we're supposed to think it's real because the people we're watching are 'real people' and no one's reading a script.  Except we've learned enough about creative editing, the contestants being asked leading questions, the obvious set-ups, and people from past seasons giving interviews that expose more of the truth about what happens during filming.

 

I think that's one of the reasons that so many of the rules have been disregarded.  Too many viewers have caught on and in order to keep interest, the producers are pretending that past rules are obsolete and now we're seeing The Truth.  I think that what's really happening is that production is admitting to some of the backstage hijinks, but they're still trying to present the show as a man or woman trying to find their one true love so as not to lose the larger audience who still believes that the show exists to put one man and one woman together in a happy marriage.

 

It's like when I was a kid and my dad would watch professional wrestling.  I'd buy into the good guy versus the bad guy thing, and become enraged when the ref would be looking the other way while the bad guy was breaking the rules.  My dad would laugh and tell me that it was all fake, but I didn't believe until they actually admitted it was fake.  I was so offended that I don't bother with wrestling anymore, no matter how many times someone tells me that it's a bunch of talented athletes playing a role, like an actor who does his/her own stunts.  The difference with the Bachelor/Bachelorette franchise is that I'm older and more jaded now.

[Bugs Meany]

Carly- Sweet Carly. I liked that she could just be her quirky self. She took one for the team in ratting out Britt, but she didn't reveal Jade's secret which she really could've.

You're giving her way too much credit. Had Jade been a perceived front-runner, Carly would have ratted her out in a heartbeat. She focused her attack on the highest-value target, which was Britt.

Edited February 17, 2015 by Bugs Meany

[poopchute]

You know, I can really understand what Britt was saying about not wanting to bring a boyfriend home to meet her family when he's also dating other women, when she's not sure that she's his number one. But then don't go on the freaking Bachelor! If you willingly participate in a reality show in which one man dates multiple women at once, you don't get to complain about being one of multiple women in the man's life.

 

 

Yes, this.  Of course, in normal life, who would want to be with a man who favored another woman over you?  The idea of it makes my skin crawl.  But then, that's why I'm not on The Bachelor.  Does she not understand how it works?  I don't like Britt at all but I did understand what she was saying about wanting her husband to see her as number one.  Well yes, every woman wants that.  But that can't happen on the show.  It's like she just woke up during this episode and realized where she was.

[CindyBee]

When the news first broke of Jade's playboy pics on Reality Steve site, there was a post in the comment section from a "friend" back home that basically said she was very wild, had a terrible reputation, did horrible things, etc.   Now I'm wondering if it was her brother that called her a "wild mustang" that did the posting!    

[Shibori]

Jade--I don't understand her either, Chris. She is quiet and seems shy and reserved. Then she shows him her very explicit (judging from comment upthread) nude photos along with a video of her taking off all of her clothes. Is she just an exhibitionist? I got a creepy vibe from her dad and also think the "she's so wild" thing wasn't just about one modeling job and a video. I don't think she showed Chris (or tv cameras) who she was if she's as wild as the family thinks. Like Chris said, she didn't seem wild at all. That alone would be pretty unnerving.

I don't think it's any kind of spoiler since she's off the show- according to some googling, Jade has an arrest history that rivals Chris's, with a DUI conviction of her own. Both have quite a few charges from multiple incidents that never resulted in convictions, and at least one DUI that did.

[bosawks]

After watching the weeping and the wailing and the rending of garments I have to say Britt does appear to commit to a part.........

Edited February 17, 2015 by bosawks

[Bobcatkitten]

I thought Chris looking at Jade's photos was one of the most authentically awkward moments ever on this show. Does he smile and like them? Or does that make him a perv? Classic stuff. I looked them up myself and she was stunning in them. But definitely uncomfortable conversation.

 

Also, Whitney's sister for the win! Awesome. I am always shocked by these family members "giving their blessing" to a man they have known 20 minutes. She was level headed pointing out it doesn't have to be marriage. And Whitney was absolutely desperate saying that's what she wanted. Good for the sister saying, don't put that on me. She at least gave Chris an out to call her later. I wouldn't even have done that. 

 

Also, why is no one asking the big question with Whitney - where will she be a nurse in Iowa? What are her opportunities? 

[bosawks]

A fake sperm test and couples porn watching is making me reconsider my appreciation of this season......

[CindyBee]

 

 

Also, why is no one asking the big question with Whitney - where will she be a nurse in Iowa? What are her opportunities? 

 

My cousin is married to a farmer and she's a nurse.  Works in a regional hospital near their farm so Whitney would have opportunities to continue her career.  She might not be in a fancy fertility clinic but she could migrate over to labor and delivery or some other special area, like pediatrics.  

Edited February 17, 2015 by CindyBee

[Lamb18]

 

When the news first broke of Jade's playboy pics on Reality Steve site, there was a post in the comment section from a "friend" back home that basically said she was very wild, had a terrible reputation, did horrible things, etc.   Now I'm wondering if it was her brother that called her a "wild mustang" that did the posting!

That post was copied & pasted into the Spoiler thread early on. It was interesting watching Jade and having that post in my mind. I agree that Chris did not pick Jade because he did not want everyone knowing what his wife looked like naked and that each time any male acquaintance of his - friend, family - saw her, they would be thinking about those pictures.

[b2H]

After watching the weeping and the wailing and the rending of garments I have to say Britt does appear to commit to a part.........

 

Well, is it not true that a 'waitress' in Hollywood is just waiting for her close-up, Mr. DeMille?  My husband doesn't buy for a moment that waitress to Britt is just a stepping stone to acting.  Maybe she thought coming on the Bachelor would put some spurs to it, but I didn't believe her as herself, so I'd probably have a hard time believing her as a character.

[Zahdii]

I wondered why Chris chose Jade to take her to his house and hometown and then I remembered that his sisters had chosen Jade some time ago. It made sense, cause he also introduced her to his parents. I guess he wanted to take the OK from his parents as well about her. I'm not sure if Chris will mind about Jade having made nude photos in Playboy to be honest. He said himself he wanted to see Jade's wild self. After all Jade seems to have regretted it and I think she deserves a chance. regardless of her bad choice.

 

I suspect that Chris wouldn't have minded Jade having a somewhat wild past, but he didn't want anyone being able to bring up pictorial proof on their computer. 

He might have thought that Jade had explored a different lifestyle and found it wanting, so she wanted to go back to something more conservative.  That sort of thing happens all the time.  I don't know if Chris would have proposed to Jade if there wasn't a Playboy spread and video, but he's admitted to feeling insecure about his conservative roots.  He might have realized that he couldn't overcome the prospect that anyone could see Jade with her clothes off. 

 

I don't fault Chris for realizing that he couldn't abide having his family, friends, and future children being able to view his wife online posing naked.  If it was a deal breaker for him then he was smart to cut her loose.

 

However, I do find that when Jade told Chris about her Playboy past, he should have stopped her right there.  He should have told her he'd have to think about what this would mean to him personally and them as a couple.  I'm sure that he was told that there was a limited amount of time for shooting this hometown visit, but isn't this the season of 'No Rules'?  The show couldn't proceed without him, so it would have been better for him to tell the producers to back off and let him process this information for a few hours.  Get some shots of him wandering around in the dark while he processes this new information, then have him either tell Jade right there that he couldn't deal with it or then let him see the pictures and the video.

 

Instead, Chris sits beside Jade and watches everything right then only a few moments after Jade tells him about this momentous news.  At least that's how it was presented on the show.  Chris is obviously not a fast thinker, or he'd have done things differently.  Instead, we get to watch him watch whatever is shown on the laptop, and then he falls back into his programmed Bachelor mode.  He reassures Jade that everything's OK, and ends the date with a makeout session, after which he cuts her at the very next Rose Ceremony.

 

I've defended Chris in the past, and I still don't think he's a bad guy, but he's been horribly miscast.  He has no idea of what to do when a situation changes suddenly.  He's conservative, but I think that in the bedroom he'd like to be more adventurous; and at the same time he'd like for most people to assume sex for him and the misses was a combination of 'Man on top - get it over with quick', and 'My man is so good that I only have to see him naked and I orgasm'.  He seems to want his family to approve of his future wife, to the point that almost anything is a deal breaker for him.

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[JudyObscure]

I didn't find anything paradoxical about Jade's shy demeanor and her past activities. It's been my, admittedly small, experience with strippers and other girls who'll take it off for money that they actually have very low self-esteem, not exactly sparkling personalities, and think that all they have to offer is their bodies.

I think Jade and her family like the "free spirit," definition of her because it makes her sound like a Kaitlyn, who is doing rap, making bad jokes, riding the grocery cart, hanging with Kimmel, all while laughing and having a blast. Instead Jade's just "wild," in that she gets drunk and lets men talk her into things. Jade would say I'm judging her, but I'm actually sympathizing with her and hoping that her success on the show will help her see herself the way Chris and his sisters saw her, as a beautiful girl with a ladylike manner --yes, I said that-- and quiet intelligence.

I'm glad the show went there with Jade because I know Bachelor Nation contains thousands of young teens who can benefit from seeing that those sexy pictures you put out there, whether on Playboy or Facebook, can come back to haunt you when you're looking for a job, meeting Mr. Right or raising children. First off and worst -- your Dad's is going to see them!

[Shibori]

That picture of Britt crying on the recap is genius.

[FamilyVan]

Ultimately I think Chris just decided that Britt was too high-maintenance for him.  Given the behavior we saw from her last night, I can't say I completely blame him.  But I am getting the sense that Chris prefers his women to be seen (and french-kissed) but not heard.

She had a fit over not getting the date rose, chewed him out publicly and made it awkward for the other two girls.  Compare her to Whitney who is gracious, met his guy friends, made a good impression, she is more like what he has in mind for wife material.  He's not going to bring Britt out with his guy friends and their wives if it's possible she could have a fit and talk to him that way.  Also I give Chris more credit here, I think he can tell that she is fake.  On Bachelorette he went through this with Nick.  Chris was one of the guys who saw someone being fake, someone who saw himself as the front runner, who pouted when he did not get the one on ones and the date roses, and Chris (much like Carly) wanted to call him out on it.  I think he knows exactly how this game can be played and he saw it with Britt.

Britt wanted to be chosen first for hometowns.  It was not good enough she got the date rose last time, she wanted it this time too and every time.  The other girls could be the second, thrid or fouth picked, that is good enough for them but NOT her.  Totally selfish attitude and hello, not how this show works, which she IS on.

 

How did Becca end up on this show, anyway? It seems like an odd move for someone who doesn't seem interested in men/dating (at least according to her very own family) and who apparently doesn't like to be touched.

 

I was wondering this too.  Assuming the women go on this show to meet a guy, most do it because 1) They feel like they have tried everything but they are still single and maybe they will meet a guy this way finally, or 2) they really like the particular Bachelor pick and want a chance with him.  I find it hard to believe that Becca has not been able to find a boyfriend up to this point or struggled with dating. Why she chose this show to be her first relationship, I don't really get it.

 

 

I'm curious about Chris's parting words to Carly. Annoying that they VOed that.

 

Same here!  I really wanted to know what he said to her as he walked her out - I seriously wonder why they did not show it.  Maybe they were more like pals brother/sister vibe LOL.  I have to say I am glad Chris learned his lesson from Deadwood and did not out Carly as his source.  He was like "Why does it matter who said it?".  Good for him.  I mean obviously Britt knew, but he handled it better this time.

[Shugardrawers]

Here's what I'd LOVE to see on The Bach: Women OVER a size 4. In fact lets have a bachelor that likes his women on the comfy side!  Size 12 is average.  How about we get some average size women on this show?

 

A bach who ISN'T rock hard!  I like abs as next as the next woman but I prefer my men to be a bit doughier.  A bit of flab is ok with me.  It usually means he had to rely on his personality rather than his rock hard abs to get a woman.  (See Snogging Bub up to a point.  Loved him when he was a bit heavier but hated him when he thought he was god's gift)

 

Realistic dates!  Seriously!  Who takes their girlfriend of 6 weeks to Cancun, Rio or Paris?  Go to the friggin Outback Steakhouse in Yakima, WA for once!  I want to see how these people REALLY fall in love.  I'm tired of manufactured stories in out of the way places.  Let's see how they REALLY relate to one another.

[SugarJones]

I don't think it's any kind of spoiler since she's off the show- according to some googling, Jade has an arrest history that rivals Chris's, with a DUI conviction of her own. Both have quite a few charges from multiple incidents that never resulted in convictions, and at least one DUI that did.

 

Awww...they are a match made in heaven then! Haha...I think he should of given her another chance and gotten rid of Becca. It's silly to keep Becca this long. I can't help but wonder if he's stringing her along to look good to his final choice..'see babe, I took a virgin to the fanasty suite!'

[CalamityBoPeep]

I did think it was funny when Chris followed Britt out of the RC, told her he'd heard that she lied to him about wanting to live in Arlington, then got all huffy and refused to answer when she asked who'd told him that. He wasn't so discreet when he confronted Kelsey with Kardashley's criticisms!

 

I wondered if Ashley I's meltdown taught him a little bit about naming names to other women.  He can learn!  LOL  I did love his "What does it matter?"  Finally he sounded like he meant something.  There was a distinct difference in his voice that read "I'm so over this."

 

eta: FamilyVan clearly got there first.  I need wheels... ;-)

Edited February 17, 2015 by CalamityBoPeep

[CalamityBoPeep]

She had a fit over not getting the date rose, chewed him out publicly and made it awkward for the other two girls.  Compare her to Whitney who is gracious, met his guy friends, made a good impression, she is more like what he has in mind for wife material.  He's not going to bring Britt out with his guy friends and their wives if it's possible she could have a fit and talk to him that way. 

 

I think that's probably the significant part of what killed it for him.  He can handle criticism, but not an embarrassing scene that makes other people uncomfortable.  Pretty reasonable attitude, in general.  I don't mind having a fight with my husband, if we need to, but we aren't going to do that out with other people.  Some things are best left for privacy.  Chris even said that's not something he wants to see in his wife, and that Carly handled her disappointment better than Britt did.

[NoWhammies]

With the exception of Becca, what a bunch of nasty mean girls…especially Carly. I know people love Carly, but I find her to be an immature, insecure, catty little bitch. I'm thrilled she is gone--only because it is what her behavior warranted. All of the girls seemed sad she left, but I would guess that given time, she would have turned on every single one of them. I get it is because she is insecure, but she turns that insecurity on everyone else, and that's just not a likable characteristic. Perhaps she needs to work on liking herself so she doesn't need to seek validation in a relationship.

 

I'm hoping Becca gets out, because Chris has shown himself to be a vapid a-pipe. The rest with their mean girl ways get what they get. I can't believe any of them want to live in Arlington but are saying they do, so their "fury" at Britt not wanting to live there but saying she does is hypocritical. 

 

Becca's sister appears to me to be the jealous sister who has never been attractive as her younger sibling. 

Edited February 17, 2015 by NoWhammies

[Padma]

I didn't find anything paradoxical about Jade's shy demeanor and her past activities. It's been my, admittedly small, experience with strippers and other girls who'll take it off for money that they actually have very low self-esteem, not exactly sparkling personalities, and think that all they have to offer is their bodies.

I think Jade and her family like the "free spirit," definition of her because it makes her sound like a Kaitlyn, who is doing rap, making bad jokes, riding the grocery cart, hanging with Kimmel, all while laughing and having a blast. Instead Jade's just "wild," in that she gets drunk and lets men talk her into things. Jade would say I'm judging her, but I'm actually sympathizing with her and hoping that her success on the show will help her see herself the way Chris and his sisters saw her, as a beautiful girl with a ladylike manner --yes, I said that-- and quiet intelligence.

I'm glad the show went there with Jade because I know Bachelor Nation contains thousands of young teens who can benefit from seeing that those sexy pictures you put out there, whether on Playboy or Facebook, can come back to haunt you when you're looking for a job, meeting Mr. Right or raising children. First off and worst -- your Dad's is going to see them!

I got the feeling (maybe unfairly) that her Dad had seen them already, many times.

 

I find Jade very strange and maybe that was the reason Chris let her go. She didn't seem the least bit "wild" on this show, really very introverted, but per above, beautiful and ladylike with no drama. However, from internet posts about her she actually sounds kind of troubled, with arrests for various things and some "friends" describing her as a con artist. Very strange.

 

I'm not a big fan of Chris as TB, but I thought he made the right decision about sending Jade home. They seemed to have zero chemistry (and could she have possibly reacted less to his gift?)  Keeping her around for the Fantasy Suite date when he knew pretty well, I think, that she wasn't becoming F1--just to say he was there with a Playboy model--would have made him seem very sleazy. Also, seriously, as pretty as she was, she seemed the opposite of sexy, no more "touchy" than Becca, maybe even less. (And I thought the family's comments about Becca weren't just about her with men, but also how she was with her family, too. Kind of nice for her, though, that thanks to being on this show they saw her in a new light. You could see it in their amazed faces when they looked at or talked about her and Chris. For that alone, she should be glad she was on the show. It changed some long-held beliefs about her in that family.)

 

Whitney's pretty and cute, more outgoing and affectionate than Becca and better suited temperament-wise for Chris than rap-loving, joke telling Kaitlyn, so at this point, she's my favorite. Plus, like Andi and Josh, she has that "location thing" going for her, something I realized for the first time last night when she was talking about how often he came to Chicago to visit his sisters. I think she'll get what she wants (Chris, though I don't know why) and would be very good for him.

[Gregg247]

I've never been very good at predicting couples and "who's right" for someone, but I THINK that the best match for Chris would be a sweet, small-town, not-too-bright girl who likes the outdoors and her critters.  Really, an Elly-Mae Clampett type.  I don't think any of the final 3 on the show (or really, any of the women we've seen this season) are a good match for him.

 

I'm a sucker who always thinks, "Well, even though most couples don't work out on this show, THIS couple definitely will make it!"  This year, I'm confident there will be no happy ending for Chris (outside the Fantasy Suite, that is!).

[Shibori]

Does anyone know when Jade posed for Playboy? The show made it sound like a youthful indiscretion, but what I could find seems to suggest it was around 2013-2014. She supposedly graduated culinary school at 21 (she was 27 when the show filmed) then worked in Vegas and Omaha before moving to LA. In my mind there's a big difference between regretting at 28 something you did when you were 18, and getting all shy now about something you did last year.

[CalamityBoPeep]

I was actually on Britt's side in this, and Chris looked like an ass. Everything Britt said was honest and I would bet a million dollars the other girls feel the same way, they just are hiding it which is even faker. I think all of the girls like Chris, want to get married, want to be chosen, but don't want to live in Iowa. All of them. I think Chris was acting like Britt did something terrible, all she did was point out that he has been all over her since day one, probably had sex with her, and it surprised her not to be chosen for the hometown date. I don't like Carly and the fact that she was more interested in ruining Britt's chances than care about her own, speaks volumes.

 

I kind of doubt that they had any sex.  I mean, they probably got to bed late the night before, then had to be up an at 'em before sunrise the next morning.  I could see just being so freaking tired, at that point, that they really did just sleep.  I wouldn't be up for "Afternoon Delight" if I'd had so little sleep and got up at 4 in the morning.  But maybe I'm just an old lady now.  That song reference might be an indication...  Heh.

 

The girls may all feel this way, but Britt was the only one to make a scene, and making others uncomfortable, over it.  They all know what they signed up for, but she's suddenly wanting to change the rules, and force him to admit that she's number one before the endgame starts.  She has to realize that he isn't even allowed to do that.  The faltering and stupid conversations we get every season, that dance around the obvious, are specifically created because the lead isn't allowed to overtly reveal the number one person until the end.  All the "I love you's" from a suitor followed by the lead saying "I'm so glad you feel that way" <kiss!>  happens because the lead Isn't allowed to say "I love you too." 

 

I do appreciate when the lead subtly lets the number one know that they're serious, though. (I think his asking Whitney if she'd be cool with him seeking permission might be one of those times.)  I like to see the sneaky ways that can happen.  Britt just wanted him to say "hey, don't be mad, you're my number one, and that rose to Kaitlyn was just a token rose" directly to her, in front of the other girls.  Not cool.  And he didn't bite, so I'm glad he's shown a little class in that.

 

I feel like Britt should have had some grace and realized that she was putting him in a terrible position and just tried to understand the confines of this show.  She signed up for it.

[Padma]

I kind of doubt that they had any sex.  I mean, they probably got to bed late the night before, then had to be up an at 'em before sunrise the next morning.  I could see just being so freaking tired, at that point, that they really did just sleep.  I wouldn't be up for "Afternoon Delight" if I'd had so little sleep and got up at 4 in the morning.  But maybe I'm just an old lady now.  That song reference might be an indication...  Heh.

 

The girls may all feel this way, but Britt was the only one to make a scene, and making others uncomfortable, over it.  They all know what they signed up for, but she's suddenly wanting to change the rules, and force him to admit that she's number one before the endgame starts.  She has to realize that he isn't even allowed to do that.  The faltering and stupid conversations we get every season, that dance around the obvious, are specifically created because the lead isn't allowed to overtly reveal the number one person until the end.  All the "I love you's" from a suitor followed by the lead saying "I'm so glad you feel that way" <kiss!>  happens because the lead Isn't allowed to say "I love you too." 

 

I do appreciate when the lead subtly lets the number one know that they're serious, though. (I think his asking Whitney if she'd be cool with him seeking permission might be one of those times.)  I like to see the sneaky ways that can happen.  Britt just wanted him to say "hey, don't be mad, you're my number one, and that rose to Kaitlyn was just a token rose" directly to her, in front of the other girls.  Not cool.  And he didn't bite, so I'm glad he's shown a little class in that.

 

I feel like Britt should have had some grace and realized that she was putting him in a terrible position and just tried to understand the confines of this show.  She signed up for it.

I agree that she wanted him to say she was "the one" before she took him home to meet her family. That whole thing really did make it seem as if she thought she deserved more than the others and wasn't pleased when he didn't show favoritism to her all the time. For me, that and his talk when he let her go, were Chris' best moments (including the "Does it matter (who told me)?" showing he -had- learned something from the Kelsey/Ashley fiasco.)  I was interested that the spoiler that she left because she wasn't feeling it wasn't true. And that she came in with a great chance from the beginning to be F1 or even the next B-ette and somehow blew it in both cases.

 

I read Jade's interview on GMA and was interested that she had Whitney had been roommates for the past couple of weeks and had become very close. I think that tells me something good about Whitney--that her "family values" don't mean she's all upset about someone being in Playboy pics or videos, because all the girls knew before Chris. Also impressed--and surprised--that she (like the others) didn't tell him about it first. Whitney really does seem to have the best "people skills" of anyone on the show, including Chris.

[Canada]

Yes, Chris, there was something missing in Britt.... any discernible acting talent.  You need to work on your crying, love.

[TomGirl]

Whitney is clearly the front-runner, and I wouldn't be surprised if she has a plan up her sleeve. The best plan would be for her to remain in Chicago and continue with her job, spend weekends with Chris on the farm, get to know him and the farm lifestyle, and see where it goes. Chicago is close enough for them to have a semi-long distance/commuting relationship for awhile before she gives up everything for a relationship that might not work. I think Chris would be fine with that, too.

[saber5055]

The best tv EVAH! would have been, when Whitney put Chris into the "Man Room," he had picked up a Playboy ... and opened it to Jade's photo spread. Kelsey would have a word for that!

 

When Chris told Jade he worked with a bunch of CONSERVATIVE Iowa men, I shouted at the tv, "Yeah, YOU."  I wish she hadn't shown him the photos/videos because you know as soon as she left his room he was going to Google and watch anyway. Without her. And Playboy is sold all over Iowa. Those men he "works" with would all be trying to buy that issue, or be burning up the Iowa Internet doing searches for the photos. Heck, they are doing that today, right now! That includes his BILs.

 

Funny how Chris went from tossing Ashley under Kelsey's bus but considered it none of Britt's business to know who was talking about her. Two faced much, Chris?

 

There had to be speakers outside to magnify Britt's crying so everyone could hear every sob inside that building. Which was pretty sturdy and insulated. Couldn't hear any trucks driving past but we heard every Britt snuffle.

 

Jade's dress at rose ceremony ... wish I could have seen more of that.

 

What's up with Whitney's tennis dresses? And, for that matter, all the little-girl dresses this season? (Except Jade's last one. Nice.)

[Alapaki]

I didn't find anything paradoxical about Jade's shy demeanor and her past activities. It's been my, admittedly small, experience with strippers and other girls who'll take it off for money that they actually have very low self-esteem, not exactly sparkling personalities, and think that all they have to offer is their bodies.

 

 

I think what happened was that when Jade was asked to pose, she thought it made her special somehow.  She didn't realize that Playboy probably pays people to stake out every bus and train station and every low-budget airline gate in Los Angeles to "approach" young women.  

 

Then she winds up just one of the crowd of women who've posed and returned to relative anonymity (as far as "fame" goes) except for that digital skeleton in her internet closet.

[FamilyVan]

There does not seem like there is anyone in this bunch that is fan-favorite or loved by the audience enough to be the next Bachelorette.  Do they have to choose one from this season?  I would still rather see Claire than any of these girls.  There is really no one jumping out.

 

Look at Bachelor picks, JP was not final 4 he was cut somewhere in the middle but people still liked him.  Both Chris and Marquel were fan favorites.  On this season there is no one who stands out like that.

 

They are not going to chose a Bachelorette where 50% of the public is like Noooo not her!!!  Which is what would happen with Britt, or Carly or Jade.  I am for Claire and if it has to be someone from this season maybe Juelia if she is ready for that.  This was a weird cast.

Edited February 17, 2015 by FamilyVan

[Superpole2000]

I'm glad the show went there with Jade because I know Bachelor Nation contains thousands of young teens who can benefit from seeing that those sexy pictures you put out there, whether on Playboy or Facebook, can come back to haunt you when you're looking for a job, meeting Mr. Right or raising children. First off and worst -- your Dad's is going to see them!

I kept thinking about that effect. The fundamental goals dads have for their daughters are to keep them healthy, to keep them off the stripper pole, and to keep them from the Internet porn community...and maybe keep them off this show. Jade's family looked tired of the mess, and I know it was all edited, but every sentence they said seemed to contain subtext about Jade's clothes-off career. What a strain.

 

I agree with the consensus that Chris is an exceedingly dull Bachelor and horrible conversationalist. I don't think I've ever heard him discuss anything meaningful or interesting with any of the women. I'd be very interested to hear more about his daily life on the farm. I have no idea what he actually does, how he spends his time, what an average day is like. I have no idea how he envisions his future wife spending her time, whether ( and how and where) she might work, etc. How can they not be talking about this stuff??

The problem is that Chris could make the most interesting topic as boring as possible. Asking a boring person about themselves is a guaranteed cure for insomnia. Asking Chris for his favourite movie probably gets this response: "You know, I've never really thought about it. Hmm, I like a lot of movies, actually, but I can't think of anything right now."

[Canada]

I think Chris ended up looking at Jade and he saw himself.  No matter how much men claim that they like a woman who can be one of the guys and have a good time, they don't actually want an exact replica of themselves.  Annoying yes.  As is the idea that men love to indulge in pornography, but don't want to date the model.

[atlanticslide]

Funny how Chris went from tossing Ashley under Kelsey's bus but considered it none of Britt's business to know who was talking about her. Two faced much, Chris?

I don't see how it's two faced. I don't want to give Chris too much credit, but I think it's quite likely that he realized he made a mistake in telling Kelsey that Ashley had told him some stuff about her and realized that if he's going to repeat things told to him by one woman to another one, he should probably keep a bit of a lid on who said what to him. Chris doesn't seem like the brightest bulb, but I think most people would learn from Ashley's tearful "why did you tell her what I said??" last week.

[Mu Shu]

I think that video was just a test, anyway. The lighting is really bad, her scars weren't edited out , and her skin looks really blotchy. She likely didn't get paid, or was given a token fee of a couple hundred. By PB standards, she's not top shelf. She probably stripped and failed, because she isn't aggressive enough. Frankly, I think she looks sort if peaked-like she needs more iron in her diet or something.

Britt would be a get for PB, but not in a centerfold capacity. She should strike while the irons hot.

[saber5055]

I need Kaitlyn's family's firepit table for my beach house!

 

 

I KNOW, right? I kept waiting for them to do the hibatchi thing ... grill some meat on a stick, or make s'mores.

 

That little dog of Whitney's was DISGUSTING. Hasn't anyone in that family taught it the meaning of "NO!"? That dog would hump something once at my house, then never again. Poor manners are never cute, in people OR dogs.

 

I kept staring at Whitney's dark-haired sister, then at Whitney's black eyebrows and blond hair. Whitney, they have product for eyebrows now.

 

For anyone worrying about fertility privacy issues, I'd say that sperm-meets-egg graphic was recorded and just a play back, not the "real thing." 

 

Chris does love his scotch. Remember how Whitney brought him a bottle of  Templeton's way back at the beginning of the season? She had already checked out what he likes.

 

Those HTDs were so awkward, it was like they were all done in one afternoon. And did they all end up back in Des Moines afterward, for the rose ceremony? So much flying around ... for nothing.

[Rainsong]

Apparently I was posting in the wrong (previous show) thread.  Must do better. Moved it here.

 

....

 

At the risk of climbing aboard my Producer's Spoiler hobby horse again, they gave away two of their so-called big moments.

-The teaser reel in Ep 1 showed Britt in red dress bawling her eyes out, alone, on a sidewalk.  As soon as we saw the red dress last night the rest was a given.
-Spoilers within a single episode are maddening.  By showing the 'Jade Playbook talk' footage BEFORE THE FIRST ROSE CEREMONY they confirmed she would survive that RC.

Is it laziness? Desperation? Are they counting on a loyal audience for ratings but hoping the loyal audience doesn't notice these things?

[saber5055]

For once, JUST ONCE, I want a sent-home b-ette to get into the Limo Ride Of Shame, look at the camera, and say, "Well, that was such a fun 'journey'. I had a blast and such a good time getting to travel and meet a bunch of new friends. Best experience of my life! Sorry to go home, but ... whatever. Thanks, show!"

 

I was hoping that person would have been Carly last night.