The Bachelorette in the Media

[DEL901]

https://www.usmagazine.com/podcasts/here-for-the-right-reasons/jordan-kimball-wants-to-coach-bachelorettes-noah-in-bennett-feud/

[Koalagirl]

On 11/30/2020 at 7:21 PM, DEL901 said:

Hope they get answers and a treatment.  
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/trista-sutter-ryan-sutter-is-struggling-with-mystery-illness/

Sounds so similar to what J.P. Rosenbaum went through.  How odd that two bachelorette husbands have been going through such extreme health issues.  I hope Ryan gets an answer soon so he can get treatment. 

[DEL901]

Wow.  Ben went to West Point and was an army Ranger.  He seems like a good guy.   Clearly he doesn’t have a chance of winning.  
https://people.com/tv/ben-smith-bachelorette-contestant-everything-to-know/

[StatisticalOutlier]

On 12/1/2020 at 10:59 AM, alexa said:

It is interesting because they had to have known when they made the instagram post about Ryan not having cancer but they are still trying to figure out what is going on with him, that they would get a lot of attention and questions.  She has posted a couple of instagram stories saying thank you for the support and that many people have been contacting them online, on their phone, mail, etc, etc, and they appreciate it all--but they still want to keep the details to themselves for now.  I have nothing against Trista--I have always liked her...but you can't post something like she did and then not expect an onslaught of responses all over the place--and media coverage.  

I couldn't agree more, and I can only imagine the etc. etc. they're dealing with.

My brother is a minor celebrity and he had cancer a couple of years ago, and I couldn't believe the things people he didn't even know did.  Some of it was general support and well wishes, but a lot of it was acquaintances and strangers offering theories and advice and cures, and he knew what was wrong with him.  It must be a million times worse to be a bigger celebrity and dealing with an undetermined ailment. 

If they thought they could put this out there and keep the details to themselves, then I have to applaud whatever they've done to instill that level of naiveté in their lives.

[Stats Queen]

7 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I couldn't agree more, and I can only imagine the etc. etc. they're dealing with.

My brother is a minor celebrity and he had cancer a couple of years ago, and I couldn't believe the things people he didn't even know did.  Some of it was general support and well wishes, but a lot of it was acquaintances and strangers offering theories and advice and cures, and he knew what was wrong with him.  It must be a million times worse to be a bigger celebrity and dealing with an undetermined ailment. 

If they thought they could put this out there and keep the details to themselves, then I have to applaud whatever they've done to instill that level of naiveté in their lives.

I have had rheumatoid arthritis since I was 13 and am now 56. I have had 9 major orthopedic surgeries in the last 11 years and the back is next and soon. The amount of suggestions for cures, remedies an other solutions from people (mostly uninformed) over the last 40+ years of my life is astounding and I’m only a celebrity in my own mind after too much wine. I can’t even begin to imagine all the “advice” they’ve been given.

I sure hope whatever is happening is manageable and treatable and that they have an excellent support system.

[phlebas]

On 12/3/2020 at 2:07 PM, StatisticalOutlier said:

My brother is a minor celebrity and he had cancer a couple of years ago, and I couldn't believe the things people he didn't even know did. 

I had cancer myself 11 years ago, and it is NUTS, the bizarre cures people expect you to take seriously.

My favorite is the "cure" which is basically beets and antisemitism. I didn't eat a beet while I had cancer, but stuffed every potato latke into my mouth as soon as I saw it. So...  maybe this is a family recipe?  (I also didn't eat a beet for 20 years before I got cancer and haven't had one since.  This means something.)

But all that aside, this kinda thing is scary AF.  good luck to them.

[chocolatine]

57 minutes ago, phlebas said:

My favorite is the "cure" which is basically beets and antisemitism.

Not to get too off-topic, but can you provide more detail? I'm intrigued.

[phlebas]

2 hours ago, chocolatine said:

Not to get too off-topic, but can you provide more detail? I'm intrigued.

It was years ago. There was a quack named Lorraine Day who claimed she cured her breast cancer.  (She cured it so thoroughly all records of her having it went away too!)  But she said she cured it with beets. Then, as you drill into her page, you find out the Jews are responsible for all the evils in the world and the Holocaust was a big ol' fib.

 

[chocolatine]

I don't listen to RS's podcasts because I can't stand the guy, but US Weekly wrote up a summary of his latest podcast with Tayshia's ex-husband, Josh. Josh tries to defend his reputation but comes off even worse in the interview than anything Tayshia has publicly said about him. He's pretty much blaming Tayshia for his cheating and says he left because he wanted children, but not with her. Then makes a passive-aggressive dig that his current girlfriend showed him what a healthy relationship really looks like. He sounds like a jerk, and even if Tayshia doesn't end up with anyone after the show, she'll be better off.

[Arkay]

On December 5, 2020 at 5:10 PM, phlebas said:

I had cancer myself 11 years ago, and it is NUTS, the bizarre cures people expect you to take seriously.

My favorite is the "cure" which is basically beets and antisemitism. I didn't eat a beet while I had cancer, but stuffed every potato latke into my mouth as soon as I saw it. So...  maybe this is a family recipe?  (I also didn't eat a beet for 20 years before I got cancer and haven't had one since.  This means something.)

But all that aside, this kinda thing is scary AF.  good luck to them.

My twin sister had breast cancer when we were 31. We are now 63 and she's good. Just telling you this, off-topic I understand, but it's important. Stories of survival helped us cope when she was first diagnosed. 

Enjoy those latkes. Happy Chanukah to you, @chocolatine, and anyone else who celebrates Chanukah. May it be a better year.

[Crashcourse]

I don't think Tayshia's ex  sounds like a jerk.  He's just annoyed that he's being brought into this Bachelor/ette mess in the first place, and I don't blame him.   I would be, too.

[Arkay]

1 hour ago, chocolatine said:

I don't listen to RS's podcasts because I can't stand the guy, but US Weekly wrote up a summary of his latest podcast with Tayshia's ex-husband, Josh. Josh tries to defend his reputation but comes off even worse in the interview than anything Tayshia has publicly said about him. He's pretty much blaming Tayshia for his cheating and says he left because he wanted children, but not with her. Then makes a passive-aggressive dig that his current girlfriend showed him what a healthy relationship really looks like. He sounds like a jerk, and even if Tayshia doesn't end up with anyone after the show, she'll be better off.

Thanks for this post. I'm rarely on this media thread, but the episode thread is talking about this interview. I knew nothing about it so I came here, and I too would never click on or listen to anything by Reality Steve, so I appreciate this link. 

[chocolatine]

1 hour ago, Crashcourse said:

I don't think Tayshia's ex  sounds like a jerk.  He's just annoyed that he's being brought into this Bachelor/ette mess in the first place, and I don't blame him.   I would be, too.

In that case he shouldn't have spoken publicly about their marriage at all. It's not like she defamed him and he's trying to set the record straight; he admits that he cheated.

[Crashcourse]

4 minutes ago, chocolatine said:

In that case he shouldn't have spoken publicly about their marriage at all. It's not like she defamed him and he's trying to set the record straight; he admits that he cheated.

Yes, he admits that he cheated but I think his point was that it didn't need to come up.  All she had to say is that the marriage didn't work out, without going into details.  I tell people I'm divorced, but I don't tell them why, and I definitely wouldn't disclose it on national tv like she did. 

Most of these reality show people have TMI-itis disease.  Tayshia is just one of them.

[chocolatine]

1 minute ago, Crashcourse said:

Yes, he admits that he cheated but I think his point was that it didn't need to come up.

That's not up to him though. Tayshia has the right to talk about *her* experience as much as she wants, and she doesn't have to take his feelings into consideration. If he didn't want her to say that he cheated, he shouldn't have cheated.

[Crashcourse]

Just now, chocolatine said:

That's not up to him though. Tayshia has the right to talk about *her* experience as much as she wants, and she doesn't have to take his feelings into consideration. If he didn't want her to say that he cheated, he shouldn't have cheated.

Well then she shouldn't be surprised when the gloves come off and he does more podcasts and brings up shit about her.  

[chocolatine]

3 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

Well then she shouldn't be surprised when the gloves come off and he does more podcasts and brings up shit about her.  

So far he's only brought up shit about himself.

[dirtypop90]

3 hours ago, chocolatine said:

I don't listen to RS's podcasts because I can't stand the guy, but US Weekly wrote up a summary of his latest podcast with Tayshia's ex-husband, Josh. Josh tries to defend his reputation but comes off even worse in the interview than anything Tayshia has publicly said about him. He's pretty much blaming Tayshia for his cheating and says he left because he wanted children, but not with her. Then makes a passive-aggressive dig that his current girlfriend showed him what a healthy relationship really looks like. He sounds like a jerk, and even if Tayshia doesn't end up with anyone after the show, she'll be better off.

I’m confident any of the men left on this season would be an upgrade. Boggles the mind he thought this interview would help him.

[Crashcourse]

4 minutes ago, chocolatine said:

So far he's only brought up shit about himself.

Of course, so she couldn't stretch it out.  

Crashcourse out.

[GracieK]

He looks like a twerp. Move on Tayshia and don’t keep texting him.. you can do better than this guy 

[TiredMe]

I started to listen to the ex podcast but had to turn it off. He was a complete tool. 

[Irlandesa]

4 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Yes, he admits that he cheated but I think his point was that it didn't need to come up.  All she had to say is that the marriage didn't work out, without going into details.  I tell people I'm divorced, but I don't tell them why, and I definitely wouldn't disclose it on national tv like she did.

She's on a dating show.  What went wrong in past relationships is pretty relevant,  Heck, the point of the franchise is more or less TMI. 

She just said he cheated.  I think she walks the line between being factual without trashing her ex really well in the series. 

The angle he chose to take in the interview says far more about what a jerk he is than anything Tayshia has said.  I'd love to tell his current girlfriend that when a guy raves about how you taught him what a non-toxic relationship is, be wary.  He's probably is trying to gaslight you into thinking your toxic relationship isn't toxic because he knows what a 'really" toxic relationship is like.  And he's probably cheating.  Run, girl, run.

[catrice2]

1 hour ago, Irlandesa said:

She's on a dating show.  What went wrong in past relationships is pretty relevant,  Heck, the point of the franchise is more or less TMI. 

She just said he cheated.  I think she walks the line between being factual without trashing her ex really well in the series. 

The angle he chose to take in the interview says far more about what a jerk he is than anything Tayshia has said.  I'd love to tell his current girlfriend that when a guy raves about how you taught him what a non-toxic relationship is, be wary.  He's probably is trying to gaslight you into thinking your toxic relationship isn't toxic because he knows what a 'really" toxic relationship is like.  And he's probably cheating.  Run, girl, run.

So agree. I confess to watching a Youtube video without actually listening to the whole thing, just excerpts, but I can't imagine anything he said in the actual interview made a difference.  Someone in another thread also said she was the one who encouraged him to do it, so she sounds like she has problems of of her own. The clip actually played him talking and he just sounded whiny.   At one point he said something about he told her he was unhappy, as if the fact that he told her he was unhappy before he cheated somehow made the cheating ok.....YIKES! 

Also he is a grown man. He knows they edit these shows to death. He has no way of knowing if she owned her part in what went wrong off camera...but the bigger question I have is why would he care what people he doesn't know think about what happened in their relationship? That's strange.  You don't want attention, but here you are giving an interview! 

[catrice2]

3 hours ago, GracieK said:

He looks like a twerp. Move on Tayshia and don’t keep texting him.. you can do better than this guy 

This picture explains some of her choices...and why she is so happy that the men on the show are in shape.  She has a type for sure. 

[Lamb18]

He reminds me of Bennett in appearance, so I hope Tayshia cuts Bennett soon!

[TiredMe]

11 hours ago, catrice2 said:

So agree. I confess to watching a Youtube video without actually listening to the whole thing, just excerpts, but I can't imagine anything he said in the actual interview made a difference.  Someone in another thread also said she was the one who encouraged him to do it, so she sounds like she has problems of of her own. The clip actually played him talking and he just sounded whiny.   At one point he said something about he told her he was unhappy, as if the fact that he told her he was unhappy before he cheated somehow made the cheating ok.....YIKES! 

Also he is a grown man. He knows they edit these shows to death. He has no way of knowing if she owned her part in what went wrong off camera...but the bigger question I have is why would he care what people he doesn't know think about what happened in their relationship? That's strange.  You don't want attention, but here you are giving an interview! 

He was so whiny. She didnt meet me in the middle crap. and I only cheated once, like that makes it better. He sounded so resentful. Honestly if I were dating him, I'd have to start reevaluating my life choices. 

[catrice2]

1 hour ago, TiredMe said:

He was so whiny. She didnt meet me in the middle crap. and I only cheated once, like that makes it better. He sounded so resentful. Honestly if I were dating him, I'd have to start reevaluating my life choices. 

Yeah, the Youtube clip was him saying something about intimacy, not wanting kids, and that she keeps bringing it, that he told her he was unhappy and that he cheated.  I have since learned from comments from others that he said something about her making more mistakes than him, or a lto of mistakes, or something.  Yes, who in their right mind thinks she did everything right, but honestly who cares? I am concerned about people who go through the prior histories of these people (unless it is something criminal) and would bother to comment on it to him, but I even more concerned about why he would care? 

Supposedly it was her idea...the person he is dating. Sounds like they both have issues.  Sure he is entitled to speak on it, my question is what he expected from doing so? 

No wonder she seems to think you have to suffer in a relationship or have a tragic past. I have to question her if she was with this man for seven years!!   Also, does he not realize that saying there was an intimacy problem makes him look bad?  The problem may have been him! If this is how he is I would have had a hard time with intimacy too! 

[waving feather]

He was a dumbass for doing the interview. He was a nameless person, no one really knew or care about who he is, except like part of a background story. It would have served him better for his business if he has kept quiet. Now he puts his name out there and not saying anything new or enlightening to redeem himself. Congrats, buddy!

I am also side-eyeing Reality Steve for always giving these trash men a platform on his podcast. First Colton and now this guy. 

[truthaboutluv]

20 minutes ago, waving feather said:

He was a dumbass for doing the interview. He was a nameless person, no one really knew or care about who he is, except like part of a background story. It would have served him better for his business if he has kept quiet. Now he puts his name out there and not saying anything new or enlightening to redeem himself. Congrats, buddy!

This so much. Because I'm one of the ones who never cared much about Tayshia during Colton's season because I barely watched Colton's season. And I've sort of checked out of this season. All this to say that all I knew is that Tayshia had been married before and I didn't even know about the cheating but instead remembered her commenting once about their being young.

So yeah, basically had no opinion of the ex one way or the other. But then like the poster above, read the write-up in US Weekly and the more I read the worse it got - for HIM. It was just such classic gaslighting, "I cheated but only because she didn't love me enough, put me first enough, make it all about me enough, ME, ME, ME...." Like wtf. And dude sounded kind of really angry and bitter, which again, you were the one who cheated. Make it make sense. 

[waving feather]

This worries me about Tayshia's picker or her taste in men. She was with this guy for 7 years. That's a long time. She seems to have a type but hopefully that's only physically. 

[JudyObscure]

19 hours ago, truthaboutluv said:

And dude sounded kind of really angry and bitter, which again, you were the one who cheated. Make it make sense. 

I think he is probably angry right now  because she went on national TV and told the world he cheated, he may not usually be that way.  It sounded like he was faithful to her  the 7 years they were together, then that final year when he was working 12 hours a day while she was doing nothing at all, she had cut him off both physically and emotionally.  He had his  one time slip and told her about it the next day. A cry for help that might have sent other couples to a marriage counsellor and a re-start to a long marriage.  I'm not saying that excuses cheating, but it does help explain it.  How long should a young man be expected to go without sex while his partner sulks? 

 Seeing how cold and severe she can get over nothing makes it easy for me to picture a long term silent treatment.  That, "I'm unhappy with you but I wont say why," is it's own kind of abusive behavior.  Of course we weren't there and don't know exactly what happened, but we do know she's the one who brought details to the world when she could have just said, "We were too young and grew apart."

[peachmangosteen]

No one would even know who this asshole is if he hadn't put himself out there. Like sure, a small percentage of Bachelorette fans would seek out who exactly her ex is, but most of the audience isn't going to give a shit. He would have been just fine. But he wanted to cash in on this and try to get some recognition/fame/Instagram sponsors out of it. Which he did so good for him I guess lol.

[Crashcourse]

If somebody publicly called me a cheater, then I would publicly defend myself.  So I don't fault him at all.  She started this shit.

[chocolatine]

13 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

If somebody publicly called me a cheater, then I would publicly defend myself.  So I don't fault him at all.  She started this shit.

But what exactly is the defense when what was said about you is true?

[TiredMe]

1 hour ago, chocolatine said:

But what exactly is the defense when what was said about you is true?

Exactly. He blamed her for cheating instead of just owning it. I have ZERO respect for this dude. Period. 

[Crashcourse]

1 hour ago, chocolatine said:

But what exactly is the defense when what was said about you is true?

It might very well be true, but that doesn't mean it needs to be made public.  That's my point.  That was their marriage, and whatever the reasons for their breakup was between them.  

Furthermore, I doubt that any human being would want anything they're ashamed of or regretful about to be made public.   

So as far as I'm concerned, Tayshia can go take a seat.

Edited December 13, 2020 by Crashcourse

[chocolatine]

11 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

Furthermore, I doubt that any human being would want anything they're ashamed of or regretful about to be made public.

That's too bad. I'm sure Anthony Weiner, Harvey Weinstein, Matt Lauer, etc., did not want to have the shameful and regretful things they did made public either.

[Crashcourse]

Just now, chocolatine said:

That's too bad. I'm sure Anthony Weiner, Harvey Weinstein, Matt Lauer, etc., did not want to have the shameful and regretful things they did made public either.

I'm talking about average, non criminal people like myself.  

[chocolatine]

5 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

I'm talking about average, non criminal people like myself.  

Even so, if you did something shameful or regretful to another person, it becomes their experience, and they are entitled to make that public if they wish. Being "average" doesn't protect you from consequences of your own actions.

[Crashcourse]

never mind

 

Edited December 13, 2020 by Crashcourse

[TiredMe]

4 hours ago, chocolatine said:

Even so, if you did something shameful or regretful to another person, it becomes their experience, and they are entitled to make that public if they wish. Being "average" doesn't protect you from consequences of your own actions.

Yep don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. Is that the phrase? Lol

[Kiss my mutt]

I think it’s a part of normal discourse to talk to potential partners why your marriage didn’t work out though and the cast on these shows have admitted to being cheated on and cheating on their partners. Tayshia has a right to speak about it and her ex does too. I think it’s best to be matter of fact and not get into the details for either party in public. 

Edited December 14, 2020 by Kiss my mutt

[peachmangosteen]

11 hours ago, Kiss my mutt said:

Tayshia has a right to speak about it and her ex does too. I think it’s best to be matter of fact and not get into the details for either party in public. 

True. And imo Tayshia came off far better than her ex in how she went about it. She hasn't disparaged him, she just said he cheated, which he has publicly admitted is a fact. His statements were far bigger dick moves than Tayshia simply stating the fact that he cheated.

[JudyObscure]

It's on tonight!  I almost forgot.

[valen]

A young man can be expected to go without sex until his marriage is over. Full stop. He could have filed for divorce if he was that unhappy and she was that cold.

Edited December 14, 2020 by valen

[Kiss my mutt]

Sure are a lot of crying faces going on around here. 

[chocolatine]

31 minutes ago, valen said:

A young man can be expected to go without sex until his marriage is over. Full stop. He could have filed for divorce if he was that unhappy and she was that cold.

And if he felt like he absolutely had to cheat, the least he could do is take responsibility for what was a 100% his choice and not try to blame his wife.

[Crashcourse]

The Men Tell All should be interesting.  God forbid anyone should say anything negative about Tayshia.  *rolls eyes* 

[chocolatine]

1 hour ago, Crashcourse said:

The Men Tell All should be interesting.  God forbid anyone should say anything negative about Tayshia.  *rolls eyes* 

Maybe not about Tayshia, but from the preview it looks like Yosef doubles down on his nasty comments about Clare and the other men aren't having it. 

[Crashcourse]

Yosef should be entertaining.  I'll have the snacks ready to watch him blow up.