S47.E13: Bob and Weave

[Rodney]

It’s double the Immunity Challenges and double the Tribal Councils in part one of the two-part season forty-seven finale.  Castaways must do damage control after Operation: Italy’s success.  Then, one castaway tries spying to get some key information to further their game.

This is the episode's discussion thread for after the episode airs.

[LadyChatts]

Of the final 4, I think it's Rachel's to lose, followed by Sam.  I don't think Sue or Teeny are even in contention and may end up being zero-vote getters if they make it to the end.

I like Teeny, and mentioned in the live chat thread I'd like to see them play again.  I feel they could come back stronger having gone through this once, and with a better grasp on the game.  They seemed to get too into their emotional side of things and take things too much to heart.  I felt they had it out for Genevieve and the vote was more personal.  

I grew to like Andy.  I thank him for giving us Operation Italy.  But he had no chance of winning so I'm glad he didn't get dragged to the end as a goat.

I'll be sad when the season is over next week.  It's been a very memorable one and my favorite season of the new era so far.  

[susannot]

I liked Andy too, so whatever.  Also, I do not like Teeny because they are really clueless about the game.  I think Rachel will take Teeny and Sue to the end in a female Brian Heidik double- goat strategy. And I will love it.

[choclatechip45]

I was finally starting to like Andy and he gets voted out! I hope Rachel wins! Not happy about Sam being in the final 4.

[Skooma]

7 minutes ago, susannot said:

I liked Andy too, so whatever.  Also, I do not like Teeny because they are really clueless about the game.  I think Rachel will take Teeny and Sue to the end in a female Brian Heidik double- goat strategy. And I will love it.

The only way she can do that for certain is to win the last immunity and decide to make fire against Sam since even with an immunity win she can only take one person to the finale.

The rest think Rachel is a shoo-in for winning fire making and that she will do it but it is a million dollar gamble and she has the creds to easily win already.  It I were her I'd let Sam and Sue battle it out and take Teeny because Teeny won't get a single vote.  Otherwise a stray gust of wind during fire making could possibly lose her a million.

[dizzyd]

I’m confused how the F4 works. There’s usually 1 more challenge and the winner picks who to take to F3 and the other 2 to make fire but I heard Jeff say that was the last IC today so what am I missing?

[susannot]

7 minutes ago, Skooma said:

The only way she can do that for certain is to win the last immunity and decide to make fire against Sam since even with an immunity win she can only take one person to the finale.

The rest think Rachel is a shoo-in for winning fire making and that she will do it but it is a million dollar gamble and she has the creds to easily win already.  It I were her I'd let Sam and Sue battle it out and take Teeny because Teeny won't get a single vote.  Otherwise a stray gust of wind during fire making could possibly lose her a million.

I agree Teeny will be dragged to the end and not get a single vote.  Sue might get one or two votes.  I have a grudging respect for her as an older contestant--age 59-  good on you.

[Souris]

Rachel or bust!

My heart was racing during the last Rachel-Genevieve immunity showdown like it was UNC-Duke, LOL. What a tense challenge!

I really didn't care for this season very much as a whole. Not until I decided I was rooting for Rachel several weeks ago did it really engage me.

[KeithJ]

19 minutes ago, Skooma said:

The only way she can do that for certain is to win the last immunity and decide to make fire against Sam since even with an immunity win she can only take one person to the finale.

The rest think Rachel is a shoo-in for winning fire making and that she will do it but it is a million dollar gamble and she has the creds to easily win already.  It I were her I'd let Sam and Sue battle it out and take Teeny because Teeny won't get a single vote.  Otherwise a stray gust of wind during fire making could possibly lose her a million.

I’ll never understand the jury penalizing the winner of the final IC for not making fire. When did that become a thing anyway?  You won the IC, that’s the whole point.  If it wasn’t, just have the final four all make fire and have the last person to finish go to the jury.

[gesundheit]

Will this new format for the finale mean we get a longer post-show? (What I wouldn't give to have the reunion back, but I won't hold my breath -- hopefully it at least means a longer postmortem after the win)

[Jodithgrace]

So, I read about Sue’s dirty face. According to Caroline, I think, it’s not dirt, but soot. Sue does a lot of fire duty and gets soot on her hands, and then touches her face a lot. Various people keep telling her that her face is dirty, but she apparently can’t be bothered. 

I was holding my breath until Rachel played that idol, after she revealed it to Sue. All idols had to be played by final 5, or in the case of Rachel’s advantage, final 6. Too bad Sue’s idol came as an anticlimax after Rachel’s. But nobody has ever tried to take Sue out, so she never got to produce it dramatically.

 
I thought this episode was great fun, especially the suspense between Rachel and Genevieve at that last challenge, and the Andy (self induced) blindside.

I am rooting for Rachel to win.

[Chicago Redshirt]

15 minutes ago, dizzyd said:

I’m confused how the F4 works. There’s usually 1 more challenge and the winner picks who to take to F3 and the other 2 to make fire but I heard Jeff say that was the last IC today so what am I missing?

It works the way you think it does.  I think rather than saying it was the last IC, Jeff said this was the last time you could get voted out, which is also true. There's one more immunity challenge. Win and you're in. Get picked by the winner and you're in. Succeed in making fire, and you're in. Fail at all three, and you're the last person on the jury.

[Chicago Redshirt]

I almost think it is a foregone conclusion that Rachel gets to the F3 and from there wins. I just don't see the other three beating her both in the immunity challenge and at firemaking.

And I don't see how any of Sam, Teeny and Sue getting more votes than her.

I could see, for instance, Caroline throwing Sue a vote, Sierra throwing Sam a vote.

But I'd think that some combination of Sol, Kyle, Genevieve, Gabe and Andy are pretty much guaranteed to vote Rachel if that's an option. 

I don't know what winning pitch Teeny, Sue or Sam can make to stack up vs. three individual immunities, an idol play and good social networking.

[KeithJ]

2 minutes ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

And I don't see how any of Sam, Teeny and Sue getting more votes than her.

I could see, for instance, Caroline throwing Sue a vote, Sierra throwing Sam a vote.

One word … Gabler.

[princelina]

2 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

Of the final 4, I think it's Rachel's to lose, followed by Sam.  I don't think Sue or Teeny are even in contention and may end up being zero-vote getters if they make it to the end.

Agreed.  Do they realize it at all?  I understood their anger/annoyance that Rachel and Genevieve were acting like they were the only two left in the game, but when it came to the next TC, did Teeny or Sue notice at all that it was only between Genevieve and Sam? 😄. It always amuses me that the goats seem to have an elevated view of themselves in the game, but then again, as someone said - Gabler.  (And Amber)

43 minutes ago, Jodithgrace said:

Too bad Sue’s idol came as an anticlimax after Rachel’s. But nobody has ever tried to take Sue out, so she never got to produce it dramatically.

Which is why it would have been an anticlimax without Rachel's!  Granted she did well to keep it a secret all that time, but I felt a little second hand embarrassment for her proudly playing it for herself and then strutting back to her seat 😂

[LadyChatts]

1 hour ago, susannot said:

I liked Andy too, so whatever.  Also, I do not like Teeny because they are really clueless about the game.  I think Rachel will take Teeny and Sue to the end in a female Brian Heidik double- goat strategy. And I will love it.

I think Rachel and Sam’s strategy is take Sue and Teeny to the end.  Sam’s odds dramatically increase if he’s sitting next to those two.  I think Rachel’s odds are good no matter what, but Sam is going to have an uphill battle if he’s sitting next to her.  
 

I like Teeny but yes, they might as well be nicknamed clueless.  And I feel like anytime they have some inkling about the game that’s true no one believes them (last week they weren’t sure about Genevieve’s idol being real but no one wanted to entertain that thought, then this week they tried telling Sue and Rachel what Sam said and were also dismissed).  Imagine if Sue and Rachel had puts their votes on Sam and he left instead of Genevieve!  They seem super sweet though and if Sia was still giving out money they’d probably at least receive that award.  

[TVFan1]

I can't see a way that Rachel loses this game this season with who is left. With Andy and especially Genevieve gone, Rachel has a great chance of winning. If she loses the Final 4 immunity challenge, she will go to fire, so not a guarantee that she will win.  The jury loved Rachel's idol play. I've been rooting for Rachel for weeks now, and I am still rooting for her to win. 

[argrow]

Love the Andy exit! Something i have wanted to see since episode 1! What a smug yet whiny baby.

This episode would have been much better if Sam has gone right after.

[dancingdreamer]

After operation  Italy,  I quite enjoyed  Andy, but they needed to get rid of him.

I couldn't  breathe during the last  immunity  challenge,  I so wanted Rachel to win, not Genevieve. Those two are well matched. Everything  about tonight was the way I would  have played it, the voting, the idol plays and blind siding  Andy. 

[JudyObscure]

If the final immunity challenge is one of endurance, I think Sue has a good chance of winning it.  I'd love to see that happen just to shake things up a little.

This week   Rachel and Genevieve let their sense of superiority as "smart professional women" show and I started wanting anyone but them to win. 

[violet and green]

25 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

If the final immunity challenge is one of endurance, I think Sue has a good chance of winning it.  I'd love to see that happen just to shake things up a little.

Good point. I like the plucky little pirate. Plus deeply boring to have things trundle along in the way they look as if they're going with Rachel winning yet another one...

I was so cross with Andy blowing his entire game in a moment of smug and condescending hubris!

I think Rachel is a shoo-in to win now, whatever happens next. If she doesn't win immunity, she's good at fire.

[DEL901]

With how vindictive Sue can be, and if she had to make fire and somehow ended up losing at fire and ending up on the juryshe would take things personally and not one for Rachel, so I can see Rachel bringing Sue to the end and letting Sam and Teeny go to fire.   If that is the case, I can’t see Teeny beating Sam at fire, although I hope she surprises me.  

[seacliffsal]

Well, it certainly seems like everyone knows that Teeny will tell everyone whatever she knows.  That may be why Genevieve told her that, yes, the idol was fake as we saw that Rachel really didn't believe Teeny.  If one wanted to spread a false story/rumor, they would just feed it to Teeny.  

Andy has continually been way too impressed with himself, starting with the first episode when he whined about not being applauded for opening a cocoanut (jealousy due to the tribe being excited when Jon opened one).  So, he just couldn't stop himself from celebrating his own genius with Rachel.  Bye Andy...

Sue's idol reveal was not the shocked! moment she thought it would be.  I don't think anyone really cared.

I liked both challenges this episode.  The second one was genius-have them be exhausted before even getting to the balancing balls.  Oh, and the wobbly platform?  Probably something I would find in a nightmare.  However, Genevieve and Rachel congratulating themselves about one of them winning?  Did they not remember what just happened to Andy when he went into his self-congratulating mode?  Although I like Rachel and would be happy for her to win, I almost want someone else to win due to her thinking/believing/talking she's going to win.

I thought this was definitely worthy of a two hour episode.

[Lamima]

8 hours ago, princelina said:

Agreed.  Do they realize it at all?  I understood their anger/annoyance that Rachel and Genevieve were acting like they were the only two left in the game, but when it came to the next TC, did Teeny or Sue notice at all that it was only between Genevieve and Sam? 😄. It always amuses me that the goats seem to have an elevated view of themselves in the game, but then again, as someone said - Gabler.  (And Amber)

And Michele with one L.

[SG429]

17 minutes ago, seacliffsal said:

I thought this was definitely worthy of a two hour episode.

Felt like two traditional one hour shows.

[GenerationX]

Paths to Victory:

1. Rachel - Win immunity or fire-making challenge.
2. Sam - Someone (likely Sue, the Sultaness of Soot) beats Rachel in fire-making.
3. Sue - Pulls the fiercely loyal, didn't even need the Hidden Immunity Idol card while Rachel and/or Sam somehow offend most of the jury.
4. Teeny - Promises to vote for any of the jury members as the winner of S50. . 

[Cheyanne11]

Andy being so smug and so sure Rachel was going home that he started to give her his jury speech, only to have that be what got him voted out ("you were very convincing, just not in the way you thought") was perfection.  I could watch that on a loop for the next week.

Final Four: Rachel's only competition is Sam.  If Rachel isn't in the Final 3, Sam wins easily, with Sue maybe getting a couple votes (Caroline and maybe Rachel) and Teeny getting shut out.  

[Haleth]

It would be terrible if we are left with Sam, Teeny, and Sue. The first 3 were clueless most of the time or just followed someone else’s lead. (At least Sam can claim he was part of Op Italy.)  Sue can claim a couple (?) immunity wins and an idol she never needed to use.  But no one has a resumé like Rachel’s.

It would have been much more interesting to have had the finale be Rachel v Genevieve plus any goat.

I could not believe Andy campaigning for Rachel’s jury vote after saying he was voting her out. Wow. That’s pretty nervy!

I started this season hating it and not caring about any of the unremarkable characters. It seemed like any other unmemorable season, wash rinse repeat. But eventually it did click in and I became engrossed. Slow burn there. 

Edited December 12 by Haleth

[Gummo]

Wowie wow wow! And just like that, a mediocre season is redeemed by a WILD double episode! That was CRAZEEE.  As a Rachel fan, I ate that up with spoons in both hands! See, Survivors? THAT's why you keep your damn idol a secret!

Andy talking himself into elimination was so in-character, it was hysterical. Yeah, dude, just keep telling Rachel how awesome your game was and what a good story you have for the jury! I knew then he was writing his own epitaph, and sure enough....

I really enjoyed the way both Genevieve and Rachel handled their frenemy rivalry. It was a far cry from the early days when EVERYTHING was personal. 

Absent a big final twist or a complete meltdown, this season is Rachel's to lose. She's played a good game.

[SummerDreams]

I lost all interest the second Andy left. Grats Rachel I guess. See you never.

Edited December 12 by SummerDreams

[AntFTW]

All is right in the universe again! Andy is gone!

[AntFTW]

I thought nothing about Rachel this entire season, and she won me over in the first 10 minutes of the episode.

I feel like Teeny is the Romeo of this season. It feels like it would take a miracle for Teeny to win. 

[Gummo]

Just now, AntFTW said:

It feels like it would take a miracle for Teeny to win. 

I'd be surprised if she got even a single vote. By her own admission, she's been clueless the entire game!

[fishcakes]

The season started out as fun in a nutty way, but once Sol was voted out, my interest level went way down. I half-heartedly was rooting for Kyle because he was both a challenge beast and an underdog and for Andy because it would have been hilarious, but this F4 is uninspiring, to say the least. Rachel is deeply unlikable to me, Sue is the classic goat who thinks she's Queen Shit, Teeny is adorable but clueless, and Sam is just kind of there.

I'll watch to the bitter end, but I really think the show has run its course.

[LadyChatts]

6 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

This week   Rachel and Genevieve let their sense of superiority as "smart professional women" show and I started wanting anyone but them to win. 

This is what turned me off from Rachel this episode (and Genevieve).  They came off as being “better than”, and I got what Sam was saying that they acted like they were the only two who had a chance of winning.  I still don’t see why Genevieve was a contender for that, but we just have missed something in the edit (or she really did just have a holier than thou attitude).  I was okay with Rachel winning up until that point.  She probably will win but it’s kind of like ‘whatever’ at this point.  

3 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

Sue's idol reveal was not the shocked! moment she thought it would be.  I don't think anyone really cared.

I can’t wait to see everyone’s non-surprised faces when Sue tells them she’s not really 45.  
 

[Gummo]

2 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

they acted like they were the only two who had a chance of winning.  

But that's true.

It may have been impolitic to be so upfront about it, yes. But with Andy out (I can't stand him, but he did play hard), who else has any accomplishments to point to? Sam hasn't been a factor pretty much since the merge. Teeny is clueless. The less said about Sue, the better.

This isn't the time for fake performative humility. Both women played great games. Getting Genevieve out now should cement Rachel's resume. 

But if anyone manages to get her out at four with fire, they deserve to win. Period.

(I don't get the Rachel hate, anyway. I like her.)

[iMonrey]

Doesn't whoever has the "block a vote" advantage have to announce it and publicly name whose vote they're blocking? Or am I thinking of "steal a vote" or something else?

When Rachel was sneaking up on the other four in the dark, I wondered how they managed not to hear the camera crew following her. Maybe they're just used to a bunch of crew people moving around them but geez. Talk about unaware.

For the love of God, I cannot wait until this "chef's kiss" craze has ended. I'm so sick of everyone doing it everywhere I turn. Enough already!

They didn't even bother showing Sam's vote when Andy got voted out. Just three for Rachel then two for Andy. 

The way the episode started with Jeff doing an intro made me think they were going back to the live reunion special format, but I guess he was just on the tribal council set. So it was performative, and pointless.

22 minutes ago, fishcakes said:

The season started out as fun in a nutty way, but once Sol was voted out, my interest level went way down. I half-heartedly was rooting for Kyle because he was both a challenge beast and an underdog and for Andy because it would have been hilarious, but this F4 is uninspiring, to say the least. Rachel is deeply unlikable to me, Sue is the classic goat who thinks she's Queen Shit, Teeny is adorable but clueless, and Sam is just kind of there.

I'll watch to the bitter end, but I really think the show has run its course.

This is where I sit as well. Ho-hum, pretty much all season. And I don't think Rachel is all that and a bag of chips. She was prepared to vote out Sam instead of Andy until he ran his mouth and pointed out to her how much game he played. And she would have been gone weeks ago if Sol hadn't saved her ass. Then she stabbed him in the back. 

I really don't want to see any of these four walk away with a million dollars, TBH.

[ljenkins782]

4 minutes ago, Gummo said:

But that's true.

It may have been impolitic to be so upfront about it, yes. But with Andy out (I can't stand him, but he did play hard), who else has any accomplishments to point to? Sam hasn't been a factor pretty much since the merge. Teeny is clueless. The less said about Sue, the better.

This isn't the time for fake performative humility. Both women played great games. Getting Genevieve out now should cement Rachel's resume. 

But if anyone manages to get her out at four with fire, they deserve to win. Period.

(I don't get the Rachel hate, anyway. I like her.)

I honestly forgot Sam was still in the game. I was trying to remember who was voted out and could only remember Rachel, Teeny, and Sue being left. Sam's game peaked early and he's been bobbing in the current for the last several episodes. I don't see a compelling story for him at the end, but could see him possibly getting a vote or two from friends/former allies on the jury. 

Sue could also get a vote or 2 from Caroline or Gabe, but more likely not, since I think both of their alliances with her were predicated on dragging her to the end as a goat, not out of respect for her gameplay. She's also not a compelling speaker and I don't see her handling tough questions very well, she seems like the type to get defensive and/or combative when tested (see her endless, furious grudge at a single vote from Kyle). 

Teeny could possibly get a vote from Sol, but getting blanked is equally likely. Not a big case for a win, some lucky alliances and a lack of a target are pretty much what got her to final 4. 

Rachel obviously scored big points with the jury this episode, so it's hers to win unless she somehow goes out at 4. She handled Andy beautifully, not tipping her hand about her idol. I was worried when she told Sue about it, but it worked out.

[paul4295]

I would love to see Teeny get to the final tribal council, and then just admit that although she tried hard, she got fooled time and time again and was clearly outplayed.  Then she would recommend that the jury vote for whichever of the other two she thinks deserves it more.  She just might be honest enough to do it.

[ljenkins782]

11 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

Doesn't whoever has the "block a vote" advantage have to announce it and publicly name whose vote they're blocking? Or am I thinking of "steal a vote" or something else?

When Rachel was sneaking up on the other four in the dark, I wondered how they managed not to hear the camera crew following her. Maybe they're just used to a bunch of crew people moving around them but geez. Talk about unaware.

For the love of God, I cannot wait until this "chef's kiss" craze has ended. I'm so sick of everyone doing it everywhere I turn. Enough already!

They didn't even bother showing Sam's vote when Andy got voted out. Just three for Rachel then two for Andy. 

Sam didn't have a vote, Rachel blocked his vote. He found out when he went up to vote that his vote had been blocked. She didn't have to announce it ahead of time. 

Could not agree more about "chef's kiss," I LOATHE it and it's everywhere. 

[SummerDreams]

24 minutes ago, Gummo said:

Both women played great games.

Are we talking about the same Genevieve who most of us didn't know existed until episode 7 or so? 😂

[SummerDreams]

Lets be honest. Rachel was VERY lucky twice; when Sol found the "leave the tribal" advantage on the reward and when she found the clue for the immunity idol in her chips. None of these things result to good game play in my book. Winning 3 immunity challenges, yes. Keeping the idol a secret, also yes. But that's pretty much it. She is the best of 4 mediocre players at the moment, in my opinion.

[PaperTree]

3 hours ago, Haleth said:

I could not believe Andy campaigning for Rachel’s jury vote after saying he was voting her out. Wow. That’s pretty nervy!

And pretty stupid!  Just tell her what she wants to hear.

And that pretzel logic something like "I have to vote you out because you are such a threat so vote for me in the jury because I'm smart to vote you out"

Huh???

To Rachel's credit, she didn't let on that she had an idol and he was just digging his own grave.  She made him think she agreed with him.  LOL  A supreme acting job.

[rr2911]

.  Andy has been eliminated!!!  It's about damn time!

.  I've been team Rachael since the beginning.  Go win the million Rachael!

.  Yeah, the only way Rachael loses is if she doesn't win the IC and loses the fire making challenge. 

.  In the final episodes, I started to like Genevieve.  I think her beautiful smile won me over! 😁❤️

.  I hope the jury asks some tough questions!  Also, I would like to see the the show go back to each juror asking questions.  

.  Pizza and wings next week!

[Kenz]

I'm a Rachel fan . She deserves to win with her calm behavior under pressure.

I would kill for Andy's or Teeny's black, glossy hair.

[LoveLeigh]

As this season advances closer to a finale night, I am reminded of how much better the finales were when there was a LIVE cast reunion and a reading of the votes. 

I stopped watching with this new format with an immediate reading of the votes and a pizza party. 

I like a live audience and I like seeing old faces and Sia too. 

[blackwing]

Andy and his hair and his teeth are FINALLY out and won't live to see another day!  Huzzah!

I'll give Andy credit.  He started the game off as this whimpering sad sack who cried and had a breakdown because nobody cheered when he opened a coconut.  He managed to survive week in and week out because everyone thought he was a useless loser.  He didn't like to be thought of as a useless loser.  So he had his He's All That moment where he strutted and flipped his hair and started trying to play the game.  And that's when the smugness took over.

He could have quietly played his game and orchestrated moves, but his ego wouldn't allow it.  He had to make us at home as well as people in the game know just how great he is and was desperate for the acknowledgement.  I think back to the blindside that Sam and Sierra (I think?) organised and used hapless Andy for his vote.  I think it might have been Annika?  She said "who did this" and Sam and Sierra (I think) raised their hands.  Andy had to chime in to make sure he got credit as well with "It was all of us".  No it wasn't Andy, it most definitely wasn't Andy.

Sam was definitely going home, until Andy started telling Next Juror Rachel why he deserved her vote at the end.  So smug.  What a well deserved exit.

What I don't understand is when it was at Final Five, why didn't any of Sam, Genevieve or Teeny even consider the fact that either Rachel or Sue had an idol?  Sam and Genevieve knew that neither of them had one, and Teeny clearly wouldn't have one.  So either the idols are still out there or someone else has them.  Why didn't they look themselves?  The scene of Genevieve and Sam wondering where Rachel is and acknowledging that she's looking for an idol.  Why didn't they look themselves?

6 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Andy being so smug and so sure Rachel was going home that he started to give her his jury speech, only to have that be what got him voted out ("you were very convincing, just not in the way you thought") was perfection.  I could watch that on a loop for the next week.

Final Four: Rachel's only competition is Sam.  If Rachel isn't in the Final 3, Sam wins easily, with Sue maybe getting a couple votes (Caroline and maybe Rachel) and Teeny getting shut out.  

6 hours ago, Haleth said:

It would be terrible if we are left with Sam, Teeny, and Sue. The first 3 were clueless most of the time or just followed someone else’s lead. (At least Sam can claim he was part of Op Italy.)  Sue can claim a couple (?) immunity wins and an idol she never needed to use.  But no one has a resumé like Rachel’s.

 

This is part of what I hate about the "New Era".  In order to win, it seems like someone has to build a "resume" and have "big moves".  Would Sandra win twice in this "New Era"?  Her entire game is "anyone but me" and she lets others do the dirty work.  

Then again, in recent years, we had Chris Underwood (survived on Exile Island for almost the entire game, came back, saved himself with a hidden idol, made fire, won because people like first boot Reem spent almost the entire game with him and liked him better than Gavin and the useless Julie Rosenberg), Erika (not sure what her moves were), Maryanne (I liked her, but can't recall any truly big moves of hers) and Gabler (people hated Cassidy and Owen Knight was useless, the only thing I remember about him is that he is a Korean American ashamed to be Korean).

I think those players won because there was nobody in the finals with them that had the "big move" resume.

I think Sam has a good case for himself.  Survivor is supposed to be Outwit, Outplay, Outlast.  He was almost always on the bottom and he definitely outlasted.  He made bonds and he adapted when he needed to, especially partnering with Genevieve.

3 hours ago, iMonrey said:

For the love of God, I cannot wait until this "chef's kiss" craze has ended. I'm so sick of everyone doing it everywhere I turn. Enough already!

This is where I sit as well. Ho-hum, pretty much all season. And I don't think Rachel is all that and a bag of chips. She was prepared to vote out Sam instead of Andy until he ran his mouth and pointed out to her how much game he played. And she would have been gone weeks ago if Sol hadn't saved her ass. Then she stabbed him in the back. 

2 hours ago, SummerDreams said:

Lets be honest. Rachel was VERY lucky twice; when Sol found the "leave the tribal" advantage on the reward and when she found the clue for the immunity idol in her chips. None of these things result to good game play in my book. Winning 3 immunity challenges, yes. Keeping the idol a secret, also yes. But that's pretty much it. She is the best of 4 mediocre players at the moment, in my opinion.

Add me to the list of people who can't stand "chef's kiss".  Sam said it last night but I feel like it's been said by someone different the last few episodes.  When did this become a thing?

I think Rachel has probably played the best game of the 4 remaining contestants, but I don't think she has played an outstanding game.  I agree that she got lucky.  Sol saved her purely to try and mess up the others' game.  Then instead of teaming up with Sol and Sam, for whatever reason, she dropped both of them and immediately joined with Tuku.  Because it was the safest option.  Instead of trying to make something happen in the game and try and hurt what was then the majority alliance, she just sat back and let someone else decide that Sol was going home.

She did get lucky with the idol clue in her chips.  Kudos to her for getting it and kudos to her for winning immunity when she needed it.  But without the chips idol, she would have been gone.

Luck does have a huge hand in Survivor outcomes and winners, but she had to rely on luck twice.  I hope Sol gives her a hard time about this.  How can he reward her with a million dollars when the only reason why she got there was because of him?

No doubt she will apologise and say "that is the only thing I regret in this game, I knew it would hurt you but I did what I had to do".  And he will probably have his ego mollified and vote for her to win anyways.

Edited December 12 by blackwing

[LadyChatts]

2 hours ago, Kenz said:

I'm a Rachel fan . She deserves to win with her calm behavior under pressure.

I would kill for Andy's or Teeny's black, glossy hair.

I’d just like to know how they kept it looking so clean out there.  Andy’s hair looked exactly the same when he walked in with the jury as it did night 1.  Seriously this season these people look like they fell in a mud puddle (at worst) but look so clean!  Besides Sue’s dirty face for the second half of the season I can’t get over all the white teeth, shiny hair, and clean skin.  Only recently did it seem like everyone’s clothes were getting dirty too.

I wouldn’t be mad at a Rachel win but wasn’t a fan of her edit last night.  Up until then I was fine with her (and I do realize that’s on the editors, not her).
 

I don’t care that she got Andy because I’d rather see a final 3 with people who stand a chance to win instead of people who got dragged to the end because they had no chance.  And right now there’s at least 1 person (Teeny or Sue) will be that person (maybe both).  I think Rachel and Sam have the only shot of winning.  In addition, Andy pretty much talked himself out of the game when they were planning on keeping him.  Lastly, if the other 4 had thought things through during that vote, they could have (at most) forced a tie with Sue and gotten her out on the revote.  But even with 3 votes they could have gotten Sue. Frankly I’m not sure how these new era players would survive 39 days in the game. 

Edited December 12 by LadyChatts

[AntFTW]

17 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

Of the final 4, I think it's Rachel's to lose, followed by Sam.  I don't think Sue or Teeny are even in contention and may end up being zero-vote getters if they make it to the end.

I agree here.

One or both of them is making it to the Final 3 out of Rachel and Sam. It's theirs to lose.

[Nashville]

4 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

I can’t wait to see everyone’s non-surprised faces when Sue tells them she’s not really 45.  
 

I hope Jiffy had already preordered a supply of feathers with which to knock over everyone after THAT late-breaking shocker hits the news wire….  🙄

 

3 hours ago, iMonrey said:

For the love of God, I cannot wait until this "chef's kiss" craze has ended. I'm so sick of everyone doing it everywhere I turn. Enough already!

YOU.

AND.

ME.

BOTH.

🤬

 

3 hours ago, SummerDreams said:

Are we talking about the same Genevieve who most of us didn't know existed until episode 7 or so? 😂

Apparently not; some of us have been clocking G’s strategic game since around Ep3 or 4.  😉