S18.E10: Don't Put All of Your Eggs in One Basket

[Scarlett45]

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Christine is excited to celebrate her first Easter since divorcing Kody; Janelle says her life is better without Kody, but reveals she would consider polygamy again; after learning Aurora is interested in a boy, Meri reflects on marrying so young.

Air Date: October 22, 2023

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[Orcinus orca]

Sorry but Christine needs to STFU.  She's not Janelle and she has no business insterting her opinions into Janelle's life.  If she was truly a friend, she would support Janelle's decisions and not turn it into a "you're nuts if you don't stick it to Kootie" situation.

And her chewing the scenery is getting on my last nerve.  She apparently feels like she's the spokeman for the entire "not Kootie" group.

Of course Janelle would be nuts to stick around after what Kootie said to her but that's not Christine's place to say.  

Meri is pathetic.  First of all that stupid giggle session with whatsherface was apparently just to use up air time.  Then, after the drama of "I'm moving to Parowan for my business and getting a smaller place" she reups on her lease.  So the whole awkward scene leaning over her wet bar was for what purpose?

This whole season has been wash, rinse, repeat with the same rhetoric repeated endlessly.  BORING!

[Joan of Argh]

It really aggravated me when Meri made her comment about Jen and her husband and she said “I don’t go weird” or “We don’t go weird”… which Meri has said in the past about relationships she doesn’t approve of.

Last week Meri said how cool Jen and her husband are because they don’t judge her for being involved in polygamy yet Meri continues to judge others relationships, like if a couple women and a man lived together and all 3 were sexually active with each other that’s “Going WEIRD” in Meri’s opinion and she’s more than happy to voice her disapproval!

Meanwhile she doesn’t want anyone judging her for polygamy, she’s such a f*cking hypocrite! 
In my opinion I think it’s weirder for 4 women to share one dick, hopping off and on as scheduled than 3 people in a relationship with each other.
 

Edited October 24, 2023 by Joan of Argh
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[waterytart]

Ysabel (hopefully I spelled that right) is a beautiful girl, seemingly inside and out. She is one of the kids that I am truly imressed with, and clearly somebody did something right. I am not a fan of Meri at ALL but it makes sense to me that she is the way she is due to her upbringing. Janelle, I don't get. I am rooting for her to have a happy ending, but why she would want to put herself back in a polygamous relationship is beyond me. 

[Adeejay]

According to Kody, Christine, who raised 13 children, only six of her own, wasn’t a good sister wife.  However, lazy Robyn, who always had to have someone help her with her kids and whose only contribution to the family was a ton of debt, was a good sister wife.  Not only is he rewriting history, but he clearly had different standards for each woman. Robin was the perfect, loyal one, while the others had some serious shortcomings.  I think this guy has lost his ever-loving mind. 

[goofygirl]

Well, I have to admit that I was jumping back & forth between this shitshow and the Astros-Rangers game.

Unfortunately, BOTH of those endeavors were unrewarding!  I had a hard time with the whole timeline... We're at Easter, we're in July, we're in the spring... Yikes!  And it's just BORING with the yap over and over.  Douchie's married to the love of his life (DOAH!), Sobbyn wants Meri to keep on TRYING to make it work with Douchie (DOAH!), Meri decides it's easier to NOT move into a smaller rennal (DOAH!) and keeps that ginormous house in Flagstaff to live in part time... Christine is aging in reverse after having that 180 lb tumor removed from her back (DOAH!) and Janelle can't decide WHAT to do (DOAH!) but is pretty much DONE with the Douchecanoe....

And... the Astros lost 9-2.

NIGHTY!

[EtheltoTillie]

Each week Kody inadvertently and self righteously reveals a partiality to Robyn and hurts the others. This time he said he was getting a second chance with getting his youngest kids to school. Even Robyn noted that this was wrong. 

Edited October 23, 2023 by EtheltoTillie

[toodywoody]

41 minutes ago, Adeejay said:

According to Kody, Christine, who raised 13 children, only six of her own, wasn’t a good sister wife.  However, lazy Robyn, who always had to have someone help her with her kids and whose only contribution to the family was a ton of debt, was a good sister wife.  Not only is he rewriting history, but he clearly had different standards for each woman. Robin was the perfect, loyal one, while the others had some serious shortcomings.  I think this guy has lost his ever-loving mind. 

Kidney is always saying how great the love of his life is and how wrong the other 3 were. Christine wasn't a good sister wife, Jenelle wasn't loyal and backed her kids and Meri he got tricked by. He is rewriting the narrative to fit his own means. 

Christine was probably the best sister wive other them all, by taking care of the majority of the kids and keeping sweet for so many years. Jenelle has always been loyal to him  and the family until she backed her boys and kept a relationship with her real family, Christine.

[eskimo]

I am happy for Christine, very happy, but she really needs to back way off on commenting on Jenelle's situation.  Even Janelle sounded irritated with it. I understand that for Christine this is a whole world she's never experienced, and she is definitely on a high over it, but Janelle's experiences and personality are just about 180 from Christine, and Janelle will do this her own way. She also seems like the type to despise pity.  Christine is out of line there, imo.

However, when Christine commented on how, even after the church releases you from marriage, you're not actually fully released until sleeping with someone else, I enjoyed that very much. 😆  And I loved how she cracked herself up over it.  A special thanks to the editors for adding the relevant clip. 👍😉

 

[Yeah No]

Kodimwit can't figure out that when he treats one wife like the love of his life and the others like burdens he doesn't have any interest in anymore those other wives are going to get tired of it and move on.  He just can't wrap his mind around women having needs that he should want to figure out how to fulfill.  If they can't just accept his lack of feeling and attention for them it's their fault and they're not "good sister wives".  After all, they're all just there to serve his needs and if they can't get theirs met in the process of him getting his needs met, well, too bad for them, they should just accept it and live with it.  With him the rules serve him and keep changing to suit whatever he wants. 

And unless the Bible is misinterpreted (in my opinion), even St. Paul tells husbands and wives submit to each other.   With this guy, only wives should submit to whatever he wants from them, otherwise they're not good wives.  I don't even think that  whatever "patriarchal" BS philosophy he supposedly believes in would agree that he is off the hook with them because he doesn't feel like doing it, and the fact that he conveniently rewrites all the rules to suit whatever he's feeling at the moment is just another example of his extreme misogyny and narcissism. 

[camom]

Kody must be one of the most delusional people on the planet.

Robyn is continually saying how awful it is that the family is split apart and she implores Meri not to give up.  Yet at Easter there was no invitation for Meri to join them and Meri spent the day alone.  

[Joan of Argh]

Kody is a crude Neanderthal and it’s all about HIM 24/7/365

I really wish that Meri would shit or get off the pot!… have some self respect.. he’s never going to take you back, he’s made it crystal clear that he isn’t in anyway attracted to you or interested in a relationship with you!!!

plus Janelle is also starting to bug me, he treated your children like dog shit on his shoe, he called them jerks! He said he wants nothing more to do with them…. QUIT being polite to that asshat!!!! 🙄

 

 

[Yeah No]

I just can't help but feel like what we are seeing this season isn't scripted or at least dramatized to look like what was happening in the present when it all really happened a long time beforehand over a longer period of time.  I suspect that the women were going along with presenting the "one big happy family" fiction on screen long after that was not the case and were holding their true feelings from the cameras because that was what Kody demanded of them - or else.  For a long time they were willing to do it for the sake of keeping the show from falling apart (and the $$ they got out of it), but after a while as ratings fell and it became harder for them maintain the fiction anymore Kody and/or they realized something had to change.  It was becoming ever more obvious to the viewers that this family was not so happy, especially after the catfish episode and the BS about Meri's divorce from Kody not being a "spiritual" divorce and that Robyn really wasn't taking Meri's place or anything like that.  BS she wasn't.  That was so freaking obvious it pissed me off that they would even try to push that crap on the public and expect them to buy it.  There were so many cracks in the facade with this family after a while it became impossible to continue to push any kind of happy family fiction.

So recently Kody and/or TLC decided to reverse the premise of the show to be all about the family breaking up.  Maybe TLC came to them and told them that the show's ratings were falling and if they didn't pursue that angle there was a chance it wouldn't be on the air much longer.  Or the women just decided it wasn't worth going along with that fiction anymore for what they were getting in return for it.  I think that the only thing this former family is united about is keeping the show on the air for as long as possible, even if it means changing the focus of the show from promoting this fictional wonderful polygamous family to one that documents the very real breakup of a polygamous family.  And I don't think Kody even cares how bad he looks - he is so determined to keep the show on the air that he is willing to look like the villain in the audience's eyes to accomplish that.  I actually don't think he is that delusional that he doesn't realize how the vast majority of the audience is going to see him.  He is so desperate to keep the money rolling in that he doesn't really care.  He's found what he wants and the only people's opinions that matter to him are just as warped as he is and would see it from his point of view.  

So anyway, to get back to my initial idea, I think this season is a culmination of something that was going on behind the scenes for years but never revealed so directly until now.  When I see Christine getting frustrated with Janelle, perhaps that was something she felt for years with her, but I don't believe that at this point Janelle was still hanging on to anything.  In fact, I think she was only hanging on in the trailer at Coyote Pass because she didn't want to forfeit whatever she thought she would lose if she didn't do something to keep up the image of still being in a relationship with Kody.  But I do think that at that point he had already given himself over to complete monogamy with Robyn and Janelle was not living in denial about that to herself - just to the cameras to keep up her end of the "fictional" bargain.

Robyn is still spewing fiction about her "good intentions" with the other wives.  Her telling Meri all that garbage about not wanting her to leave is to make her look well intended but it's obvious after Meri saying that she rarely hears from her and was not invited to Easter with them that it is yet another fiction that Kody wanted Robyn to put forth to try to make her look better in the eyes of the audience.  Too bad, asshole, the audience sees right through that.

[Soapy Goddess]

I just love Christine and new-found happiness. I don't fault her for wanting the same thing for her best friend, Janelle. She even indicated that she's probably overstepping, but probably feels that Janelle needs a little push to finally make a clean break...once & for all. 

No doubt all the that talk is irritating for Janelle, but I'm sure she realizes that Christine means no harm. And let's face it, Janelle wouldn't be shy about telling Christine if it comes down to it.

[65mickey]

 

Kody blaming the lack of loyalty on the part of his other wives as the reason for the family breakup and his disinterest in his other wives and children is a smokescreen. Robyn has been the love of his life ever since he hooked up with her. During Covid when he stayed with her and her children it confirmed to him that he no longer wanted  polygamy and that what really made him happy was a monogamous relationship with Robyn. He didn't have the guts or decency to admit this so he turned it around on the 'bad wives."  And of course it's all about making Kody happy so his other 13 children are now jerks and he wants nothing to do with them. He is despicable

Edited October 23, 2023 by 65mickey

[65mickey]

Of course Robyn says no to a family reunion. But she grieves over the loss of the family. And what Robyn doesn't want Kody doesn't want.  

[laurakaye]

Kody: I would be happy to host a holiday with everyone as long as it's at MY house.

Also Kody: I am happy to just have it be me and Robyn's kids.  The rest of them suck.  

 

Robyn: I keep askin' Meri to just hold on with me.  I love the relationship she has with my kids.

Meri: Easter came and went and I didn't hear a thing from Robyn so I just stayed home all by myself.

 

Janelle: Kody is clearly in a monogamous relationship and I am basically friends with benefits to Robyn's husband.

Also Janelle: I would totally do polygamy again because I like my independence but I also want a partner.

 

Me: All of you are idiots.

Edited October 23, 2023 by laurakaye

[Shelbie]

I think Kody fully expected the original wives to keep sacrificing themselves for the sake of the family for the rest of their lives.
That they rebelled and chose for themselves and their children is mind-blowing to him. That they openly laugh at him and his rants is deeply humiliating and he responds like a child and thinks the best way to hurt them is to say he never loved them and they were bad sister wives 🙄.

While he can’t say it I think the worst sin to him is that he no longer gets any financial support from them and this is affecting how he and Robyn live.

[Granny58]

6 hours ago, Yeah No said:

especially after the catfish episode and the BS about Meri's divorce from Kody not being a "spiritual" divorce and that Robyn really wasn't taking Meri's place or anything like that.  BS she wasn't. 

it was cringey back then but now, given that we know Robyn is the "love of ihs life", it was absolutely evil.  

the one thing I can remember from last night is Kody stating that he WANTS to take the kids to school since he couldn't in the past.  Well guess what Mr. Polygamy...your WANTS have to be balanced by what's fair.  You still had middle school kids when Sol was born and you still had Truely until recently but did you take them?  So it is not about taking your children to school, it's about taking your FAVORITE children to school.  Another Kody Fail.  

[Granny58]

1 hour ago, 65mickey said:

Robyn has been the love of his life ever since he hooked up with her.

I'm thinking of the scene where Meri is tying Kody's tie for his wedding to Robyn.  Do you recall the look in his eyes as he gazes down at Meri?  It SEEMS like he's loving Meri, but now I think he's thinking about his next honeymoon and if there's anything he's feeling towards Meri is grateful that she's going to let him bang the love of his life.  

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, 65mickey said:

Kody blaming the lack of loyalty on the part of his other wives as the reason for the family breakup and his disinterest in his other wives and children is a smokescreen. Robyn has been the love of his life ever since he hooked up with her. During Covid when he stayed with her and her children it confirmed to him that he no longer wanted  polygamy and that what really made him happy was a monogamous relationship with Robyn. He didn't have the guts or decency to admit this so he turned it around on the 'bad wives."  And of course it's all about making Kody happy so his other 13 children are now jerks and he wants nothing to do with them. He is despicable

This times 1,000!  I firmly believe that Kody practically ghosted the other wives as soon as he married Robyn, but wanted to keep pushing the fictional polygamous happy family image for the show.  And the other wives were strong-armed into it.  They were between a rock and a hard place so they kept up that BS on screen as much as possible.  I remember how Christine in particular flipped out as soon as she realized what was going on, and for a few years after that in Las Vegas she became the "basement wife", begging for scraps under Kody's table.  It was very hard to watch. 

On the show they make it sound like either moving to Flagstaff and/or Covid were the events that started the falling out, but I think those events only made it ever more obvious to the public what was really going on.  I think at first Kody fully expected the other wives to go along with moving into some ginormous house or cluster of houses in Flagstaff to keep on pushing the fiction on the show, but something changed along the way to derail his plans and they got their power back from him.  They kept resisting it and no matter how many times he tried to reel them back in to continue to live that fiction it wasn't working after a while.  

19 minutes ago, Granny58 said:

it was cringey back then but now, given that we know Robyn is the "love of ihs life", it was absolutely evil.  

I know!  I firmly believe (and even posted my suspicions on that years ago) that in entertaining what she thought was another man for a relationship Meri wasn't doing anything he didn't tell her to do after he divorced her.  The way he is acting now is probably the way he was acting to her back then, telling her to go live her own life, she was free, etc.  Meanwhile he was acting on screen to make her look like the villain.  Completely despicable.  Why Meri let that happen and at that point didn't go to the gossip rags or a publisher with her "tell all" is beyond me, but his hold on these women to this date has been more than just emotional and psychological.  I am sure she was worried about any legal implications.  I posted years ago that I wondered if his divorce settlement with her didn't include contracts and/or non-disclosure agreements about what she could and could not reveal without serious financial or legal consequences.  I have no love for Meri but I never saw this situation any other way.

[laurakaye]

Christine is starting to work my nerves, but I can see where she's coming from - the show's going meta when Christine says that she saw the Kody/Janelle "f*** off" fight on tv, and she's also seen the way Kody has treated Gabe, Garrison and Savanah.  Christine may be out of line saying that Janelle needs to bail on that asshat, but I think she seems to feel, more than Janelle does, the pain that Savanah and her brothers are feeling because Christine's kids grew up feeling the same way.  It seems to be taking Janelle way too long to see what Christine has seen all along.

And for the love - again, we have to watch a 7th grade vignette with Meri and JustJenn, with Jenn on the phone telling Meri that she's talking to the contractor who is going to be fixing Meri's hole or whatever the hell that was about.  And oh you guys, JJ's hubby washed Meri's car for her?  But it's not weird, you guysssss!  Giggle!  Giggle!  I find their whole shtick extremely cringe.  Keep that nonsense to Fridays With Friends where the diehard Meri stans go to watch those two fall all over each other with their inside jokes.  

Also, Robyn - honestly, just because you've aged 30 years being married to Kody, there really are clothes you can wear that aren't polyester prints circa 1978, I promise.  But it was cool how at one point, she managed to levitate one of her toothbrush eyebrows almost to the top of her forehead while making one of her constipated faces.  That was impressive.  And while I'm at it, Aurora is 20 but she acts like she's in middle school, if we needed any more validation that Robyn infantilizes her kids.  

[BnJJ]

This man makes me want to hurl things at my TV screen.

He talks about Robyn being "the love of my life" and in the same sentence refers to his other wives as "these other situations" then goes on to say that Janelle and Christine take "no accountability" for anything.  Is he effing serious??

[islandgal140]

Ugh, I thought we were getting Meri finally leaving and Robyn's ugly cry last night, but apparently I was wrong. I went back and re-watched the end of e9 and realized it was framed more as a midseason trailer and not as 'on the next episode of SW" Damn!

I get and love that Christine is giddy over leaving that jackass but she needs to slow her proverbial roll with Janelle.

I admit that sometimes I am like Dory and forget stuff that happened just last season, but is this the 1st time Kody ever admitted that Robyn is the love of his life? Why would he even admit that and then claim, with a straight face, there is no favoritism? What is worse is that he makes his ill treatment of the 0G3 their fault by saying they are not loyal, like Robyn. It is disgusting! Also, that is like a series ending statement. The grand experiment is over and he has chosen his dark queen over all else, including his non-Robyn kids. Take that horse out back and just put it out of his misery.

OMG, that story about Kody leaving the OG3's wives home at the crack of dawn to go help Robyn get the tenders to school was heartbreaking. It does lend credence to the feeling I always had that even if he was in rotation and going over to non-Robyn's homes, he wasn't fully present and was just counting down the minutes until he can go back to his real home and wife. How does he out asshole himself ever. single. week?!?! I feel like I need to call the Guinness book of Records. Do they have a category for World's Biggest Asshole?

Really, this just sounds like a guy who divorces his wife and once he finds a new wife and family, abandons all his prior relationships and children. It happens more often that people may think. 

Meri is obviously someone who needs a ton of bricks to fall on her to get it or she just needs to admit that she is just still here for the checks. None of the shit she is doing makes a lick of sense. Why reup the lease on that gigantic 5 bedroom mcmansion? Worse yet, why does she still have hope? I can admit that I do believe and it may have even been shown on screen (remember, I'm Dory) that Kody did sweet talk her and likely tempted here with a new start if she agreed to move to AZ, but he has been nothing but a gigantic flaming jackass to her since then. If anything, that anniversary episode from 2-3 seasons ago should have KILLED ALL HOPE.  That was the most humiliating, cringey pathetic display by Meri but apparently wasn't enough to end this nonsense. 

Robyn being Robyn, instead of saying how important it was for the family that her kids get Meri as a 2nd mom (plyg perk), she frames it like how important it is to Meri, like she is some charity case. She sure treats her like one. 

I have to go on the official record and say that Janelle is an odd duck that I never really understood. She wasn't born into polygamy but saw it in action and liked what she saw. Frankly, I just think she doesn't want the full time responsibility of having a man in her home 24/7 that she has to cook and clean for, but at the same time, she wants some kind of commitment and tie to a man. She wants that spiritual commitment but only needs to see him a few times a week for a little slap and tickle and companionship, but then wants him on his merry way so she can garden, read or whatever else she does that makes her feel independent.  I can respect that but I don't necessarily think she needs to sign up for polygamy again to get that, but whatever. 

Edited October 23, 2023 by islandgal140
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[Yeah No]

15 minutes ago, islandgal140 said:

Really, this just sounds like a guy who divorces his wife and once he finds a new wife and family, abandons all his prior relationships and children. It happens more often that people may think. 

So true, but at least in the case of women who are legally married to an asshole that does this, they at least have some legal protection and leverage in the form of child custody and visitation agreements, etc.  In the case of Janelle and Christine in particular, they didn't have such legal protection.  So he thought (and rightly so) that he could neglect their children as much as he wanted and get away with it.  What a bastard.  They probably could have fought for it legally anyway but their own hang ups about bringing the law into it made them not do that.  It's regrettable.

15 minutes ago, islandgal140 said:

I have to go on the official record and say that Janelle is an odd duck that I never really understood. She wasn't born into polygamy but saw it in action and like what she saw. Frankly, I just think she doesn't want the full time responsibility of having a man in her home 24/7 that she has to cook and clean for, but at the same time, she was some kind of commitment and tie to a man. She just wants more of a commitment but only needs to see him a few times a week for a little slap and tickle and companionship, but then wants him on his merry way so she can garden, read or whatever else she does that makes her feel independent.  I can respect that but I don't necessarily think she needs to sign up for polygamy again to get that, but whatever. 

This is something I have wanted to say myself, almost word for word!  I think the only reason Janelle is saying she would still like being in a polygamous marriage is that it takes the responsibility off of her to be a fully participating spouse.  But d'oh, how could she not realize what else that comes along with after she has been at the losing end of it herself?  I think she'd be better off having a long term relationship with a divorced man who doesn't want a full time relationship anymore and just wants a couple of days a week with someone as a companion.  That kind of relationship is fine and can be a very committed one, but it's not marriage.  Why does it have to be marriage?  Maybe she hasn't realized that yet.

Edited October 23, 2023 by Yeah No

[BnJJ]

27 minutes ago, islandgal140 said:

Ugh, I thought we were getting Meri finally leaving and Robyn's ugly cry last night, but apparently I was wrong. I went back and re-watched the end of e9 and realized it was framed more as a midseason trailer and not as 'on the next episode of SW" Damn!

I get and love that Christine is giddy over leaving that jackass but she needs to slow her proverbial roll with Janelle.

I admit that sometimes I am like Dory and forget stuff that happened just last season, but is this the 1st time Kody ever admitted that Robyn is the love of his life? Why would he even admit that and then claim, with a straight face, there is no favoritism? What is worse is that he makes his ill treatment of the 0G3 their fault by saying they are not loyal, like Robyn. It is disgusting! Also, that is like a series ending statement. The grand experiment is over and he has chosen his dark queen over all else, including his non-Robyn kids. Take that horse out back and just put it out of his misery.

<snip>

I think it might be the first time he said "the love of my life" but he has made similar comments several times this season.  He's talked about having one wife that he is in love with.  He's a colossal douchebag.

Robyn's comment about it being important to Meri to have a relationship with her kids stuck out to me as well.

Kody and Meri have had no relationship for years upon years yet Robyn wants Meri to just hang on until the situations with Christine and Janelle are resolved and Kody is no longer angry and then Kody and Meri will magically have this blissful marriage??  This is such utter bull.  This woman cannot be serious. 

Kody could not tuck his and Christine's kids in at night when they were really young and they all lived in the same dwelling and she was working nights (after caring for a massive brood of kids all day long) but he has to rush over to Robyn's house every morning to get those kids ready for school.  He is such an ass.  This isn't a new development, either.  This was talked about when they still lived in Vegas.

[Granny58]

1 hour ago, islandgal140 said:

Frankly, I just think she doesn't want the full time responsibility of having a man in her home 24/7 that she has to cook and clean for, but at the same time, she wants some kind of commitment and tie to a man.

Absolutely this.  

[JoannKBC]

Janelle saying that she wants to stay in polygamy because she wants a partner but she also wants independence is kind of sad, because it means she has not seen a monogamous marriage where the wife is independent. There are plenty of monogamous relationships - married or not - where both partners have the independence she enjoys. Hopefully she can figure that out.

 

Also...Robyn's been sobbing all season about how she just wants a big family and she's losing her dream of them all being a family together...and then instantly shuts down the idea of  the whole family gathering together. What is that about? Does she even hear herself talking?

 

Edited October 23, 2023 by JoannKBC

[laurakaye]

Meri said something in one of her couch interviews along the lines of, Kody has already been through one divorce, does he want another?  I feel like she was talking about Janelle at that point, but does she really not consider her divorce from Kody an actual divorce?  Because he surely does.  It was the only "real" divorce so far, but it boggles my mind how Meri still seems to think she can get back with Kody after he not only gleefully divorced her, but has stated outright that she can pack her bags and head for Parowan and he wouldn't care at all.

I just find it unsettling that Meri doesn't seem to see herself as divorced, just because she still has the hots for Curly Sue.  It doesn't work that way, Mere.  

[islandgal140]

1 hour ago, BnJJ said:

Kody and Meri have had no relationship for years upon years yet Robyn wants Meri to just hang on until the situations with Christine and Janelle are resolved and Kody is no longer angry and then Kody and Meri will magically have this blissful marriage?? 

Meri would be a bleached skeleton on Coyote Pass with the plague infested prairie dogs using her rib cage as shelter and her spine as a slide to dive into that "pond" by the time he resolves his unresolvable entanglements and Robyn would still tell her to have hope. Oops or maybe not because Meri would be of absolutely no use to her then - no storyline, no resources. 

 

Edited October 23, 2023 by islandgal140

[Marley GMA]

11 hours ago, Adeejay said:

According to Kody, Christine, who raised 13 children, only six of her own, wasn’t a good sister wife.  However, lazy Robyn, who always had to have someone help her with her kids and whose only contribution to the family was a ton of debt, was a good sister wife.  Not only is he rewriting history, but he clearly had different standards for each woman. Robin was the perfect, loyal one, while the others had some serious shortcomings.  I think this guy has lost his ever-loving mind. 

His constant blabbering about Loyalty is BS. None of those women ever cheated on him and stayed with him even though he was obviously "withholding" intimacy (ie., punishing them).  Having a difference of opinion does not mean you are being disloyal.  It is called having a difference of opinion.....something plenty of married people do. This guy is a "jackwagon"

[ButterQueen]

8 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

I just love Christine and new-found happiness. I don't fault her for wanting the same thing for her best friend, Janelle. She even indicated that she's probably overstepping, but probably feels that Janelle needs a little push to finally make a clean break...once & for all. 

No doubt all the that talk is irritating for Janelle, but I'm sure she realizes that Christine means no harm. And let's face it, Janelle wouldn't be shy about telling Christine if it comes down to it.

I doubt Janelle is really irritated by Christine.  Hello, there is a camera right there.  Christine says what Janelle is too afraid to say.  I love their friendship.

Well, Kody’s statements are getting harsher and harsher.  I can’t imagine how hateful he is in person.

Robyn looks horrible.  That preview for next week had me rolling.  I’ve never seen such a group of sad sacks in my life.  Even Robyn looked pissed.  I love it.

[Dobian]

12 hours ago, goofygirl said:

Meri decides it's easier to NOT move into a smaller rennal (DOAH!) and keeps that ginormous house in Flagstaff to live in part time...

And... the Astros lost 9-2.

Well, everything gets resolved when this show finally ends and these people have to make hard choices when the TLC money runs out.  No more property roulette.  And the baseball game was better than this crap.

[ButterQueen]

1 hour ago, Granny58 said:

Absolutely this.  

She needs to stay single and date.  I like Janelle….sadly, she seems so beaten down and has a hard time expressing her feelings.

She raised some good, strong children that support her.  I love her boys.

1 hour ago, JoannKBC said:

Janelle saying that she wants to stay in polygamy because she wants a partner but she also wants independence is kind of sad, because it means she has not seen a monogamous marriage where the wife is independent. There are plenty of monogamous relationships - married or not - where both partners have the independence she enjoys. Hopefully she can figure that out.

 

Also...Robyn's been sobbing all season about how she just wants a big family and she's losing her dream of them all being a family together...and then instantly shuts down the idea of  the whole family gathering together. What is that about? Does she even hear herself talking?

 

Just like Robyn shut down Christmas because it could be dangerous to have the boys there.  What a bitch.  She can only hope that her kids support her like Janelle and Christine’s are doing.

Can Meri and her best friend just go away already..

[Kid]

BREAKING NEWS:  Christine and Jenelle are separating Asshat from his kids.

(Of course, he didn't travel with his daughter when she was getting major surgery even though she practically begged. It must've been Jenelle and Christine that prevented it.  and all this time, we thought it was his fault. We bad!)

 

[Pingaponga]

Kody and his "Christine is turning the kids against me" rant...dude, odds are the older kids watch the show themselves and can see and hear what you are saying. And can figure out for themselves what you actually think of their mother and themselves.

But I'd bet Dayton, Aurora and Breana aren't allowed to watch the show, which is why the girls are still parroting Robyn's interpretation of events.

Kody is going to be in for a massive shock when Ari becomes a teenager and no longer thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread. Girl already has a strong personality.

[Kellyee]

I only watched the first part of the episode so far, but I'm confused. Kody banned Easter in favor of celebrating Passover instead. Christine and Janelle didn't protest, and Meri didn't care. Then Robyn came along and said she was going to take her kids to her mother's house to celebrate Easter because they always celebrate Easter. So Kody said that they could celebrate Easter at home, which is what Christine wanted anyway. This implies they started celebrating Easter again 10 years ago. But now Christine says she is only now getting to celebrate Easter, and Janelle is saying they need to recreate traditions. But if you follow Christine's and Kody's initial story, they were ALREADY celebrating Easter 10 years ago.

I don't feel like we are ever getting the real story with these people. 

[65mickey]

I'm beginning to wonder if the production crew is staying in Meri's house while they are filming and TLC is paying for this.  Otherwise why is Meri paying to rent this huge 5 bedroom house? Maybe it is just so that Robyn and the kids can come over once every 3 months and sit outside and talk. It seems to me like living in that huge house by herself with no family and probably no friends visiting would be hugely depressing. 

[RazzleberryPie]

I don’t understand a Christian family not celebrating Easter/Whatever you want to call Christ’s resurrection? Christ dying for our sins and his resurrection are the biggest component of Christianity. 
Nothing wrong with acknowledging Passover, bc of Jesus’ Jewish roots, events leading to his death happening around Passover, etc. I get that tie in for some people. I also get not doing the more commercial or more Pagan components of eggs, bunnies, etc. But to not do Easter/Resurrection Sunday at all? Is this a Kody thing, an AUB thing, etc? Is this like when they couldn’t afford gifts and downplayed that aspect of Christmas? Kody is so weird.

 

[Cheery Divorcee]

11 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

I just love Christine and new-found happiness. I don't fault her for wanting the same thing for her best friend, Janelle. She even indicated that she's probably overstepping, but probably feels that Janelle needs a little push to finally make a clean break...once & for all. 

No doubt all the that talk is irritating for Janelle, but I'm sure she realizes that Christine means no harm. And let's face it, Janelle wouldn't be shy about telling Christine if it comes down to it.

Agreed 100%. 

Also, as a divorced woman with many divorced friends, I've never met a woman who regretted it (only that they didn't do it sooner) so I get where Christine is coming from. She's high on her own freedom and I'm here for it. :)

 

Edited October 23, 2023 by Cheery Divorcee
added a word

[Marley GMA]

4 hours ago, Granny58 said:

I'm thinking of the scene where Meri is tying Kody's tie for his wedding to Robyn.  Do you recall the look in his eyes as he gazes down at Meri?  It SEEMS like he's loving Meri, but now I think he's thinking about his next honeymoon and if there's anything he's feeling towards Meri is grateful that she's going to let him bang the love of his life.  

his 11 day honeymoon. Gag me.

[the-grey-lady]

1 hour ago, ButterQueen said:

That preview for next week had me rolling.  I’ve never seen such a group of sad sacks in my life.

Me too. I love when Kody talks about there being a lot of pain...looking totally stone-faced. He doesn't look like he's in an pain at all.

He acts like a man who's shed a whole bunch of dead weight.

[xwordfanatik]

I have to say it again:  Sobbyn proved she's every bit a snake in the grass with that reptilian print top.  She dresses like she's a hundred years old, and she isn't aging well, either.  Lying liar says she misses the big family events, yet says a reunion won't happen because some of the OG 13 (ya know, the ones Kootie doesn't give a shit about) would cause trouble.  

Kootie calling her the love of his life was just another jab at the wives and kids he's either pissed at, or ignores anyway.  Those two toxic people get worse with every season and every episode.  I wouldn't be sorry if that ugly as mud house goes into foreclosure, without the worker bee wives to share the cost.  

Meri re-upping her lease, and acting like she's in middle school with "just Jenn" make me think she's truly taken leave of whatever senses she had.  Cringeworthy.  

What a shitshow.

[Cancun]

Kody: a bad sister wife is one who takes her children away from their father. Robyn didn’t do that.

Me: dude, seriously. Robyn divorced their father, moved a gazillion miles away, and replaced his face in a family picture with Kody’s (or some such nonsense).

[Adeejay]

Kody said it’s “pathetic” that Janelle was so easily swayed by Christine.  Which means that Janelle has no mind of her own and is unable to think for herself.  Explains why he is so eager for them to reconcile.  If I were Janelle, I’d be offended.

[Rabbit Hutch]

The one I'm worried about is Sol.  He seems to be 180 degrees opposite of all that Kootie is; low-key, introverted, sensitive, and not attention seeking.  He reminds me of Gabe, somewhat.  Bless his heart.  

[laurakaye]

1 hour ago, Pingaponga said:

Kody is going to be in for a massive shock when Ari becomes a teenager and no longer thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread. Girl already has a strong personality.

I LOL'd when Robyn told us that Ari is more like Kody, like that's a good thing.

Don't worry, Eyebrows, we see it.  Ari is annoying, bossy, gets in people's personal space and has no filter.  We see Kody in her, plain as day.  Give Kody a mullet and they'd be twins.

[OldWiseOne]

1 hour ago, Kellyee said:

I only watched the first part of the episode so far, but I'm confused. Kody banned Easter in favor of celebrating Passover instead. Christine and Janelle didn't protest, and Meri didn't care. Then Robyn came along and said she was going to take her kids to her mother's house to celebrate Easter because they always celebrate Easter. So Kody said that they could celebrate Easter at home, which is what Christine wanted anyway. This implies they started celebrating Easter again 10 years ago. But now Christine says she is only now getting to celebrate Easter, and Janelle is saying they need to recreate traditions. But if you follow Christine's and Kody's initial story, they were ALREADY celebrating Easter 10 years ago.

I don't feel like we are ever getting the real story with these people. 

I don't think they were celebrating Easter with the bunny and egg hunt the way Christine wanted to, they were celebrating Resurrection Sunday for the last 10 years without the non-religious extras.

Kody's new talking point is definitely that Christine and Janelle are trying to separate him from his kids. How many times did he say that this episode? It's laughable. Those "kids" are adults (with the exception of Truly), they have their own lives, and homes, and spouses. He is separating himself from the kids - nothing stopping him from reaching out and interacting with them without the mothers' involvement (except his giant ego and the love of his life). He can't even accept an invitation to Garrison's house? No, the kids have to come to him! And if they don't, it's because their mothers have been trashtalking his curls.

Edited October 23, 2023 by OldWiseOne

[SongbirdHollow]

Robyn wearing a snakeskin blouse. 😆😆😆

Meri saying that flirting doesn’t hurt anybody but gets catfished. 😆😆😆

[Chris Knight]

I also think it's strange they didn't celebrate Easter til Robyn came along and changed everything. Easter is the biggest holiday in my religion. 

Its from last week but I love that Janelle’s boys said they will be wherever Christine is for the holidays. Perfect. 

Meri friend hub does things Kody should be doing for her. And yes Meri has shown her ugly sides numerous times but still, when she said Jen is the only person who defends her, that is quite sad. Another Kody fail. He had a child with her, for crying out loud, and is not spiritually divorced from her.

And Janelle,you were never married to Kody legally. You can do whateverthe hell want. You always could !

Robyn is such a 2-faced asshole, I can't stand her.