S18.E03: Throwing Stones in Glass Houses

[Scarlett45]

 Kody vents to friends about his anger over his divorce; Janelle's sons are still not talking to Kody, and the family may celebrate another holiday separately; a discussion about Christmas blows up into the worst fight Janelle and Kody have ever had.

 

Air Date: September 3, 2023

[Teafortwo]

Am I mis-remembering, or is Nathan in some way related to Meri? Her sister's husband maybe?

I feel bad for Meri, to some extent she made her bed (by being unkind to Janelle and Christine), but I'm sure she misses the other non-Robyn kids.

[whydoievencare]

Janelle is right - Kody is doing the classic thing where he doesn't want to be the one calling for a break up but has been behaving totally horribly in the hope of forcing his partner to call for one.  His behaviour with Janelle during their argument was so childish - unbelievably so.  He's a vile, vile person.  He takes no responsibility for any of his behaviour - blames the wives entirely for the problems in the family.  He doesn't parent any of the non Robyn kids.  He basically lied to Robyn and Meri when he said that he'd "reached out to everyone".  He's sitting on his ass waiting for the wives to facilitate a reconciliation.   He's a disgusting person.  I felt so badly for Jenelle during this episode.

[steff13]

I have never been a fan of Meri's, but I do feel bad for her now.  Although, she seems to be reasonably happy and has some insight into what's going on.  

It looks like Kody's friend may have his number, too, based on the preview for next week. 

It boggles my mind that Kody can't admit (or is too narcissistic to realize) that he was wrong about COVID.  They followed all the stupid rules he, with no expertise whatsoever, made up, and they still got COVID.  

[Orcinus orca]

Just now, steff13 said:

They followed all the stupid rules he, with no expertise whatsoever, made up, and they still got COVID.  

And the one "rule" that would have helped, he refused to follow.  Vaccinations. 

Just like the religious rules, he picks and chooses what suits him.

[sparrowthebrave]

Wait…. Kody and Robyn were never vaccinated?? Okay I’m shocked. Unless they have a medical reason I cannot believe they would afford themselves that bit of protection when they were so determined not to get it! I say this as an immunocompromised person, btw, who got like 6 vaxxes…. 

[gentlespirit512]

Were Robyn’s little kids in school during the whole time kids went back? If not, who homeschooled? The nanny?

[mythoughtis]

 I thought Kody  didn’t talk about one wife to the other wives? Especially arguments I thought   Robyn didn’t ask ‘ because it was none of her business?  What hypocrites. 

 

Kody just says he didn’t call the boys because they should call him.  Then he tells Robyn and Meri he’s been reaching to them.  A lying liar who lies.   
 

I know these TH are filmed later.  Meri knew the score about her and Kody by then.  She’s finally giving her true opinion of Kody in the THs. 

Janelle tried to get Kody to understand that it’s not just Gabe and Garrison who are mad at him and it’s not just about covid.  It’s pretty much all the kids and it’s about the last 10 years. 

Edited September 4, 2023 by mythoughtis

[mbaywife123]

Kody doesn’t want to spend the holidays with anyone that doesn’t want to be around him.

That leaves Robyn the Robinetts and Meri. Happy holidays asshole! Lumps of coal for you!

[Adeejay]

“I am a smart woman and I have done this very dumb thing.”  Hearing Janelle utter those words broke my heart.  After 29 years, she has nothing to show, while Robyn is sitting pretty in a $900,000 five-bedroom mansion.  Janelle is low maintenance and extremely patient.  She never asked for much, which was why Kody took her for granted. When you are repeatedly taken advantage of, at some point you become complicit.

[mbaywife123]

So glad that Christine left.

Janelle is out the door next.

Meri is next.

Robyn is left with the “kootie prize”.

How did Kody not realize that his “kids” were going to grow into adults and form their own opinions and relationships with or without him. I think this is what he cannot control and pisses him off the most!

 

 

[goofygirl]

Well, after that production, I still contend that Kodouche is a total and complete ass.  I think Janelle did some of this to herself (the $$$ part of it) but by and large, she just needs to cut loose from the ass and just get to work, making her OWN $$$ and keeping it.

It's past time to stick a fork in it.

[islandgal140]

Well, that escalated quickly!

What does it say when Meri is not only the one that was the total voice of reason but making astute points and observations and shock among shocks - also giving Janelle the benefit of the doubt (not colluding with the family vs Kody)?!!? Someone get the smelling salts and Robyn's tufted fainting divan!

That was way more intense and frankly, anxiety producing than what happened b/w Kody and Christine. I actually re-watched S17 ep 1, and that is arguably, one of the best episodes of the series. Emotions may have been high, but there was no yelling and cussing at each other. Kody and Christine talked more or less calmly and where able to get their individual points across.

This, in contrast, was so frustrating because they kept interrupting and talking over each other. This was friggin' ugly and I've never seen Janelle so angry. Also, although this may have been simmering for a bit but it was rather sudden and so explosive. Janelle has up until now, always reminded me of that meme with the dog, sitting in a cafe, surrounded by flames saying: "This is fine." 

Any guesses on whether Kody's MENSA group were required to meet Robyn's Kody's protoculls rules before & during the brain trust meet up?  Something tells me those dudes ain't wiping down mail or bathing immediately upon home entry! Those rules are used as excuses to limit interaction with non-Robyn related family. 

Nice to have confirmation that Kody was listening to manosphere podcasts. I pretty much thought as much last season when he kept throwing up the word accountability and worried about his money/custody.

What kinda psychopath just stands around drinking hot plain water on purpose? The answer is Kody. 

Wow! After that argument, Kody didn't text, see or call Savanah for over a week. He is an ain't shit father that let's whatever present relationship he has with the mother, dictate what kind of relationship he has w/the kids he has with said mother.  The fact that he didn't even know that so many of his kids were coming to AZ just goes to show he doesn't really talk to them. He isn't mad at Hunter, why can't he see or speak to him?

 

Edited September 4, 2023 by islandgal140

[Art Of Noiz]

2 hours ago, whydoievencare said:

Janelle is right - Kody is doing the classic thing where he doesn't want to be the one calling for a break up but has been behaving totally horribly in the hope of forcing his partner to call for one.  His behaviour with Janelle during their argument was so childish - unbelievably so.  He's a vile, vile person.  He takes no responsibility for any of his behaviour - blames the wives entirely for the problems in the family.  He doesn't parent any of the non Robyn kids.  He basically lied to Robyn and Meri when he said that he'd "reached out to everyone".  He's sitting on his ass waiting for the wives to facilitate a reconciliation.   He's a disgusting person.  I felt so badly for Jenelle during this episode.

They know he's lying, too 

[Elodia]

2 hours ago, sparrowthebrave said:

Kody and Robyn were never vaccinated?

Mykelti said Kody and Robyn don't believe in vaccinations, neither do she and Tony. 

But we all know Kody used Covid as a welcome excuse to stay with Robyn and not having to visit the rest of the family. 

[eskimo]

Well, well, well...if we didn't get a glimpse of the way Robyn manipulates Kody.  She's not as smooth as she thinks she is, but she really only needs to be just smooth enough to fool this one dim bulb. That whole scene at Meri's when they were discussing Meri inviting everyone for Christmas Eve and Robyn said something to the effect of, 'do you think you can be around the boys on Christmas Eve? I saw you really struggle before...'.  She pandered to his ego by bringing up how hard this is for him, and her tone suggested that His Royal Highness doesn't need to be bothered by everyone else's toxicity. This isn't saying that Kody wouldn't have come to the same conclusion on his own, but it was 100% in line with a couple other times we saw her guide him in a certain direction in this way. But it IS extra easy for her because he is such a gross man.  This was Robyn saying 'NO'. 

My heart grew a little when Janelle used air quotes around the word 'safe'.  

When Kody, while acting like a complete maniac, started pointing at the camera and yelling 'TELL THE WORLD.....', I so badly wanted to watch Janelle slowly turn to the camera and spill. the. tea. Just let 'er rip. Make him think twice about all these theatrics.  

Edited September 4, 2023 by eskimo

[surfgirl]

On 9/3/2023 at 10:54 PM, eskimo said:

Well, well, well...if we didn't get a glimpse of the way Robyn manipulates Kody.  She's not as smooth as she thinks she is, but she really only needs to be just smooth enough to fool this one dim bulb. That whole scene at Meri's when they were discussing Meri inviting everyone for Christmas Eve and Robyn said something to the effect of, 'do you think you can be around the boys on Christmas Eve? I saw you really struggle before...'.  She pandered to his ego by bringing up how hard this is for him, and her tone suggested that His Royal Highness doesn't need to be bothered by everyone else's toxicity. This isn't saying that Kody wouldn't have come to the same conclusion on his own, but it was 100% in line with a couple other times we saw her guide him in a certain direction in this way. But it IS extra easy for her because he is such a gross man.  This was Robyn saying 'NO'. 

Exactly ALLLLL of this. Dry Cry Liar totally manipulated Douche into not wanting any other non-Rob spawn at Christmas. Screw this bitch, we all knew she was manipulating him and pulling the the strings, but that scene was her thinking we're too stupid not to see who she really is OR she forgot the cameras were there. 

Yeah, Atlas, carrying his family on his back, with a knife sticking out of his kidneys. 🙄

Edited September 5, 2023 by surfgirl

[zamp33]

5 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

That was way more intense and frankly, anxiety producing than what happened b/w Kody and Christine. I actually re-watched S17 ep 1, and that is arguably, one of the best episodes of the series. Emotions may have been high, but there was no yelling and cussing at each other. Kody and Christine talked more or less calmly and where able to get their individual points across.

This, in contrast, was so frustrating because they kept interrupting and talking over each other. This was friggin' ugly and I've never seen Janelle so angry. Also, although this may have been simmering for a bit but it was rather sudden and so explosive. Janelle has up until now, always reminded me of that meme with the dog, sitting in a cafe, surrounded by flames saying: "This is fine." 

I think Janelle's confrontation was way more intense because Christine must have worked with a therapist OR watched videos on dealing with a Narc on You Tube and knew to Gray Rock him and not react - which is a very hard thing to do. 

For Janelle I think it had been simmering for so long, and it is obvious at this point, even thought it is still 2021 that she saw the show because she referenced the Teflon Queen remark/title and not only heard the horrible things he was saying about her, but also calling her sons' names and forgetting Gabe's birthday. Everything was at a boiling point and Janelle had been holding back for so many years. So she just let it out. She needed to get that anger out. 

When my narcissist ex left boy did he know how to push my buttons and engage me and it was so much screaming. I wish I had worked with a therapist prior or at least watched some of the You Tube videos on dealing with a narcissist. How Christine acted in all the conversations throughout season17 is exactly how to handle a narcissist. Because they will never ever admit they are wrong. Even when you have the evidence right in front of them. They are never wrong and never to blame and will consistently twist reality even when it is there staring them in the face. 

My heart literally broke for Janelle. She held on for so long and had nothing to show for it.  She sacrificed so much financially and emotionally. Even in Vegas while Meri and Robyn were building big houses with extra this and that Janelle was finding ways to save money, and cut back on bedrooms. I think she truly believes in their religion and was thinking in terms of the family unit, that is why she was holding on for so long. Also when you are in a relationship like that for a long time it almost becomes normal and you do not see what is happening to you - and the narcissist lies so much he turns things on you and twists reality til you doubt your version of it. I really hope she goes on to live her best life - she deserves happiness. 

OMG - Kody and the hot water - the fact he went back and got more when he was storming out - what the f??? 

 

 

 

 

[mythoughtis]

3 hours ago, zamp33 said:

OMG - Kody and the hot water - the fact he went back and got more when he was storming out - what the f???

Then he threw it out before he left even though he was using a disposable cup. 
 

He and Robyn then went to Meri’s and stood outside by the fire pit to talk.  Again with the no filming inside. Even though HE had been filmed inside with his brother and friends  and with Janelle.   The outside discussions all seem to involve Robyn.  So it’s not about the crew and it’s not about Kody being unvaccinated.  

Edited September 4, 2023 by mythoughtis

[whydoievencare]

In the "conversation" (I've never heard that word used so often with anyone but this family) with Janelle, Kody starts talking about having Covid and is building up the drama about how hard it was for him - no mention of when Janelle was sick with Covid and her kids looked after her.  Kody was nowhere to be found (as usual).  Kody seems to require someone to blame at all times:  Christine, Janelle, Meri, the kids.  He may sometimes refer to how he might have contributed ("upon reflection" during the men's meeting) but then never takes any actual ownership and continues to point his finger.  Only Robyn and her family are blameless.  And Kody of course.  He is never accountable.  

[Granny58]

7 hours ago, Elodia said:

Mykelti said Kody and Robyn don't believe in vaccinations

ANY vaccinations or just the covid one?

[Cherry Styles]

44 minutes ago, Granny58 said:

ANY vaccinations or just the covid one?

The whole covid thing made people think it is ok to discuss peoples private medical decisions too much. I'm not sure why any of that is anyone's business.  

Anyway. That fight was something! Have we ever seen Janelle that mad?!

[Midwestern Lady]

One of the reasons I think it got so ugly with Jenelle and Ramen Noodle Head is that he went after the kids.   She mentioned she heard the Teflon Queen remark but she obviously heard the other stuff.  The treatment of Garrison and Gabe is unforgivable.  Her watching that interaction had to help fuel this fire and, as a mother, I can't imagine her fury.  I can't imagine seeing that on tv either.   

[65mickey]

I wish that Janelle would stop with the line about how her kids were not welcome at Robyn's for Christmas because Kody demanded and apology and they didn't feel the need to give it. She knows this is true and Kody will never own up to this. When she told Kody that he had not been to her house in 5 months and he called her a liar why didn't she say oh really how many days did you stay longer than 30 minutes while you stood outside. How many times did you call OUR children to see how they were doing? How many times did you check on me when I had Covid?  How many nights did you have dinner with us and stay the night? I bet it was zero  because he had to get back to his tender age kids. And in his mind that includes  Briana and Aurora. 

I am living for the day when she asks Kody and Robyn for the money back that she gave them to help buy the $900,000 house. If they claim it was a gift then she needs to ask for her gift from the family pot of money.  Christine was able to walk away from Kody with the money that she received from the sale of her Flagstaff house. Janelle has nothing. Time to play hardball Janelle and it Kody and Robyn won't play, then time to start writing that tell all book. 

Robyn is slipping. It was so obvious that she was manipulating Kody not to spend Christmas with Janelle's boys. And getting Meri to say that she was not going to invite the entie family for Christmas Eve. 

[OldWiseOne]

11 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

Kody just says he didn’t call the boys because they should call him.  Then he tells Robyn and Meri he’s been reaching to them.  A lying liar who lies.    

But in his head he HAS reached out to them - by telling Janelle that they need to call him. He said it was her job to facilitate the relationship, and she had ruined it by not backing him up and reinforcing the protoculls with the boys.

I'm getting angry just remembering this! When he said that adults are supposed to stick together as a team enforcing the rules for "our house" (paraphrasing) and she had refused to do so - but she had no input into what the rules for "our house" actually were, they were his rules (and Robyn's).

8 hours ago, eskimo said:

Well, well, well...if we didn't get a glimpse of the way Robyn manipulates Kody.  She's not as smooth as she thinks she is, but she really only needs to be just smooth enough to fool this one dim bulb. That whole scene at Meri's when they were discussing Meri inviting everyone for Christmas Eve and Robyn said something to the effect of, 'do you think you can be around the boys on Christmas Eve? I saw you really struggle before...'.  She pandered to his ego by bringing up how hard this is for him, and her tone suggested that His Royal Highness doesn't need to be bothered by everyone else's toxicity. This isn't saying that Kody wouldn't have come to the same conclusion on his own, but it was 100% in line with a couple other times we saw her guide him in a certain direction in this way. But it IS extra easy for her because he is such a gross man.  This was Robyn saying 'NO'.  

Yes, this exactly. Meri asked Kody if she was supposed to invite the rest of the kids to Christmas Eve at her house, Kody said he wasn't going to tell her who to invite, then Robyn pipes up with "but will it be safe" and immediately Kody agrees with her that it's not a good idea to have them there. Robyn is very good at leading him to the answer she wants while allowing him to think everything is his idea.

I felt bad for Meri. I have the feeling that if she were invited to the Janelle and Christine friendship club she would dump Kody and Robyn and run out the door. I wonder if those 3 can ever be friends now that they are no longer competing for Kody's attention.

[65mickey]

This was December of 2021. By that time I had already received 2 Covid vaccinations and either 1 or 2 boosters. I was not worried about testing and staying away from family members. And I never got Covid. He was still asking Christine to test and islolate before coming to Robyn's for Christmas.  Yes after we saw Kody with his man buddies inside and inside at Janelle's house we know his rediculous Covid rules and staying away from everyone even in December of 2021 came from Robyn the master manipulator.

[HoneyBeach]

17 minutes ago, OldWiseOne said:

But in his head he HAS reached out to them - by telling Janelle that they need to call him. He said it was her job to facilitate the relationship, and she had ruined it by not backing him up and reinforcing the protoculls with the boys.

I'm getting angry just remembering this! When he said that adults are supposed to stick together as a team enforcing the rules for "our house" (paraphrasing) and she had refused to do so - but she had no input into what the rules for "our house" actually were, they were his rules (and Robyn's).

Yes, this exactly. Meri asked Kody if she was supposed to invite the rest of the kids to Christmas Eve at her house, Kody said he wasn't going to tell her who to invite, then Robyn pipes up with "but will it be safe" and immediately Kody agrees with her that it's not a good idea to have them there. Robyn is very good at leading him to the answer she wants while allowing him to think everything is his idea.

I felt bad for Meri. I have the feeling that if she were invited to the Janelle and Christine friendship club she would dump Kody and Robyn and run out the door. I wonder if those 3 can ever be friends now that they are no longer competing for Kody's attention.

She's been doing this all along. I've said it before, Kody is the "head" of the family but Robyn is the neck.

[albarino]

31 minutes ago, Cherry Styles said:

The whole covid thing made people think it is ok to discuss peoples private medical decisions too much. I'm not sure why any of that is anyone's business. 

To clarify, do you mean discussing the Browns' covid/medical decisions?  The people on reality tv who have made their reactions to the covid pandemic their main story line for a season or two or are you taking about my next door neighbors?

Kody needs this discussion to be about the boys not respecting his authority--it really can't be about his abandonment of his daughter undergoing major back surgery, dragging his family to Flagstaff in the first place or any number of incredibly horrible decisions he made to tear his family apart.

[Cherry Styles]

16 minutes ago, albarino said:

To clarify, do you mean discussing the Browns' covid/medical decisions?  The people on reality tv who have made their reactions to the covid pandemic their main story line for a season or two or are you taking about my next door neighbors?

Kody needs this discussion to be about the boys not respecting his authority--it really can't be about his abandonment of his daughter undergoing major back surgery, dragging his family to Flagstaff in the first place or any number of incredibly horrible decisions he made to tear his family apart.

People in general. Yes, I get that they make their lives public. 

I'm over the storyline.

 

[Lady of nod]

1 hour ago, 65mickey said:

I wish that Janelle would stop with the line about how her kids were not welcome at Robyn's for Christmas because Kody demanded and apology and they didn't feel the need to give it. She knows this is true and Kody will never own up to this. When she told Kody that he had not been to her house in 5 months and he called her a liar why didn't she say oh really how many days did you stay longer than 30 minutes while you stood outside. How many times did you call OUR children to see how they were doing? How many times did you check on me when I had Covid?  How many nights did you have dinner with us and stay the night? I bet it was zero  because he had to get back to his tender age kids. And in his mind that includes  Briana and Aurora. 

I am living for the day when she asks Kody and Robyn for the money back that she gave them to help buy the $900,000 house. If they claim it was a gift then she needs to ask for her gift from the family pot of money.  Christine was able to walk away from Kody with the money that she received from the sale of her Flagstaff house. Janelle has nothing. Time to play hardball Janelle and it Kody and Robyn won't play, then time to start writing that tell all book. 

Robyn is slipping. It was so obvious that she was manipulating Kody not to spend Christmas with Janelle's boys. And getting Meri to say that she was not going to invite the entie family for Christmas Eve. 

♥️♥️♥️yes janelle. Write the book! Brilliant 

[Adeejay]

I can't get over how furious Kody was with Janelle for not putting Garrison and Gabe in the streets.  If it were up to him, they would be "lost boys".  And yet, he doesn't understand why they don't want anything to do with him.  In the meantime, Dayton is safely ensconced in his own suite at his mother's house.  Make this make sense.  

[Scarlett45]

1 hour ago, OldWiseOne said:

I felt bad for Meri. I have the feeling that if she were invited to the Janelle and Christine friendship club she would dump Kody and Robyn and run out the door. I wonder if those 3 can ever be friends now that they are no longer competing for Kody's attention.

I dont feel bad for Meri in the instance. You reap what you sow, and she was awful to Christine and Janelle for years because she was jealous of their fertility. Not that Christine and Janelle were perfect humans, but they each always respected what the other brought to the family (Janelle as a breadwinner, Christine as a caregiver), this respect, and also the shared bond of the childrearing years helps them be friends. 

Just now, Adeejay said:

I can't get over how furious Kody was with Janelle for not putting Garrison and Gabe in the streets.  If it were up to him, they would be "lost boys".  And yet, he doesn't understand why they don't want anything to do with him.  In the meantime, Dayton is safely ensconced in his own suite at his mother's house.  Make this make sense.  

Because it's not about what's best for Gabe and Garrison, its about Kody being in charge and what HE wants, if he says the sky is purple we are supposed to believe its purple. 

[Meow Mix]

Wow, this was uncomfortable to watch.  I can't believe the crew was there filming that argument.

Things I noticed:

• So, was Kody going to see his man buddies in person all throughout  COVID?  What about his precious protoculls?  All of them are idiots, but I think some of them are starting to see through him.
• Robyn threw in a justification for needing the nanny.  She claimed Kody was gone so much she just had to have child care help.  So was he gone during COVID?  And however did Christine cope with homeschooling way more kids as well as working a night job?  She never had a nanny, so why does Sobbyn need one?
• I felt so bad for Meri even though she has brought some of this on herself.  She was in a lose-lose situation regarding Christmas Eve.  Kody wasn't going to say he didn't want Janelle or her kids there, he was going to make her the bad guy.  I could see him then running to Janelle and Christine and saying Meri didn't want to invite anyone for Christmas Eve.  He and Robyn are a perfect match.  And Meri was pretty insightful in her TH where she referenced that her house was just her house while Robyn's house was Kody and Robyn's house.  By the time that was filmed, she knew the score and was done.  Though whoever did hair and makeup should be fired for letting that huge piece of hair stick out during Meri's THs.
• I really hope Janelle has been able to get some financial settlement.  I really felt bad for her when the full realization hit her that she was financially screwed.  I loved that she pointed out that Robyn had her house and she was finally realizing that no building was ever going to take place on that barren land.  I did have respect for her that she acknowledged that she was partly responsible because she let it happen.  She didn't play the victim like Kody and Robyn constantly do.
• The argument was heartbreaking for Janelle.  I think she is one of those people who stuffs the anger down and finally something just causes it to explode.  I was glad the crew had enough respect to turn off the camera after Kody left instead of filming her breaking down.  That would have been a lousy thing to do.  Kody and the drinking hot water was just bizarre.  Is being excessively cold another symptom of overuse of steroids?  Because I think that is part of why he is acting the way he does.  And his pony tail made him look like Gidget.
• Would someone please take away Kody's word a day calendar?  This time around we had culpable repeated endlessly and then collude.  I really appreciated that Meri actually came to Janelle's defense on that one.  Kody will never face the fact that he alone ruined the relationships with his kids and their mothers had very little to do with it.
• I think it's interesting that we are getting a lot of behind the scenes info that they watch the show and have heard what is said in the TH interviews.  I think that was what pushed Janelle over the edge because Kody not only badmouthed her, but also her children.  If I were a parent and someone said the things he said about her boys, it would be on.  I'd have the scissors out to cut off that Gidget pony tail.

1 hour ago, Cherry Styles said:

The whole covid thing made people think it is ok to discuss peoples private medical decisions too much. I'm not sure why any of that is anyone's business.  

 

I don't care about other people, but Kody made such a big deal about trying to protect everyone, then chose not to do the one simple thing that would have protected the whole family.  They have chosen to spill their private lives all over TV, so we get to comment on them.  The choices of people not on TV are none of my business.

[Orcinus orca]

8 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Because it's not about what's best for Gabe and Garrison, its about Kody being in charge and what HE wants, if he says the sky is purple we are supposed to believe its purple. 

That, indeed, is the bottom line.  Kootie demands that every whim, rule, desire, and idea be accepted under all circumstances, no matter how bizarre.  He demands obedience, allegience, respect, and honor at all times.  Independent thought and pushback are never acceptable from his serfs.

He's the poster child for narcissism.

[Cherry Styles]

I don't see how Robin needs a nanny at all. 

 

Edited September 4, 2023 by Cherry Styles

[Cancun]

By the time of this big fight, Janelle would have seen when Kody said her boys just wanted to get their pencils wet, right? She had so much ammunition. 

[zamp33]

10 minutes ago, Cherry Styles said:

I don't see how Robin needs a nanny at all. 

 

I know! When she tried to justify it I was like - Robyn you never ever worked, you really only had 2 younger children. You stayed at home all day, and your older children were home- no you did not in any way shape or form NEED a Nanny.

1 minute ago, Cancun said:

By the time of this big fight, Janelle would have seen when Kody said her boys just wanted to get their pencils wet, right? She had so much ammunition. 

I was waiting for her to unleash about his forgetting Gabe's birthday or Kody crying about not seeing Aurora for 10 days! But I think she got out alot - I just wanted more! 

I wish TLC would intersperse scenes that would totally show that Kody is lying and twisting the truth. I know we all have seen it but it would be better than showing flashbacks from the previous episode. 

[Dobian]

All Kodvid cares about is loyalty and submission.  Bow to his rules and authority.  There is no love from him, no empathy, no compassion.  He has no problem abandoning his own kids if they don't worship the ground he walks on.  Forget the wives, they chose to be with him.  But the kids didn't, and his behavior toward them has been monstrous.  And he is such a narcissist, incapable of seeing that he is the common denominator in every single bad relationship in that family.

[Cancun]

When Robyn justified needing a nanny because Kody is away for a week sometimes, it invalidated the reason given for Kody not being at Ysabel’s surgery (the tenderettes can’t go longer than two days without him.)

[Shelbie]

I wonder how often Janelle kicks herself for leaving Las Vegas for Arizona.

I believe her when she talks about her religious beliefs and the family as a whole. She is now 50 with a fractured family and little financial assets.

If she had stayed she and her children would have seen Kody as much as they have in Arizona but she would have a ton of equity in her house.

[Dobian]

2 minutes ago, Cancun said:

When Robyn justified needing a nanny because Kody is away for a week sometimes, it invalidated the reason given for Kody not being at Ysabel’s surgery (the tenderettes can’t go longer than two days without him.)

He couldn't be with his daughter during major surgery, but he could be at Aurora's ear piercing.  That says everything you need to know about him.

[65mickey]

I'm sure she does kick herself but that's water under the bridge. She needs to move forward don't look back except to grab the money that she gave Robyn and Kody to buy their house. 

What I don't understand about Janelle is that for years she was the famiy bookkeeper. She saw how much money was coming in and how much was going out and where is was going. Why she didn't speak up before is a mystery to me. 

[CSunshine76]

Why do they film outside when at Meri and Robyn’s houses? They are outside freezing, and there are giant houses right there for them to be in. Makes no sense.

[TipseyGirl]

So, I see by the previews for next week that the youngest chicken tender is still using a pacifier. Think she takes it to kindergarten with her? Do Robin and Kootie continually wipe it down with Clorox wipes?

8 minutes ago, CSunshine76 said:

Why do they film outside when at Meri and Robyn’s houses? They are outside freezing, and there are giant houses right there for them to be in. Makes no sense.

Because they are morons?

Edited September 4, 2023 by TipseyGirl

[Art Of Noiz]

11 hours ago, eskimo said:

Well, well, well...if we didn't get a glimpse of the way Robyn manipulates Kody.  She's not as smooth as she thinks she is, but she really only needs to be just smooth enough to fool this one dim bulb. That whole scene at Meri's when they were discussing Meri inviting everyone for Christmas Eve and Robyn said something to the effect of, 'do you think you can be around the boys on Christmas Eve? I saw you really struggle before...'.  She pandered to his ego by bringing up how hard this is for him, and her tone suggested that His Royal Highness doesn't need to be bothered by everyone else's toxicity. This isn't saying that Kody wouldn't have come to the same conclusion on his own, but it was 100% in line with a couple other times we saw her guide him in a certain direction in this way. But it IS extra easy for her because he is such a gross man.  This was Robyn saying 'NO'. 

My heart grew a little when Janelle used air quotes around the word 'safe'.  

When Kody, while acting like a complete maniac, started pointing at the camera and yelling 'TELL THE WORLD.....', I so badly wanted to watch Janelle slowly turn to the camera and spill. the. tea. Just let 'er rip. Make him think twice about all these theatrics.  

I'm still holding out hope that Janelle will tell a few things. 

[Hanya2]

When my husband tried this crap on me, I told him he was supposed to be the adult, and he had to be the bigger person with our daughter, and set an example of how adults need to behave. Even if our daughter is basically grown.

So he needs to reach out to his sons.

Why is no one really saying this to Cody? Especially as he is so big on being the patriarch. Does this mean he gets to throw temper tantrums, and act like a toddler, and still expect everyone to follow him.

 

[NoWhammies]

The look on Janelle's face during that fight... it's exactly the look on someone's face when they're being gaslit. That argument was tough to watch — I've been Janelle in that looping argument that never makes sense.

It's so confusing in the moment, especially when that level of manipulation and accusation just comes out of the blue. If you're not the kind of person who has a sketchy relationship with the truth, and someone is adamantly insisting that you did something (something you'd never tell someone else they'd done unless they actually had), then it makes you stop and think, wait...did I do anything that could even have been perceived that way? Am I somehow in the wrong?

It's a total mind fuck. Which is the whole point. The only thing to do is to not react. 

Edited September 4, 2023 by NoWhammies

[Elodia]

4 hours ago, Granny58 said:

ANY vaccinations or just the covid one?

Afaik any vaccinations, so they all saw no reason to get the covid vaccine. 

[mythoughtis]

3 minutes ago, Hanya2 said:

 

When my husband tried this crap on me, I told him he was supposed to be the adult, and he had to be the bigger person with our daughter, and set an example of how adults need to behave. Even if our daughter is basically grown.

So he needs to reach out to his sons.

Why is no one really saying this to Cody? Especially as he is so big on being the patriarch. Does this mean he gets to throw temper tantrums, and act like a toddler, and still expect everyone to follow him.

 

I’m sure people have repeatedly told him this.  It just does no good because he doesn’t listen or care. He couldn’t offer any reasonable response to Janelle asking why she had to be the one to communicate his wishes to the kids.  It was as if he thought that was his punishment to her for ‘not supporting’ him 

[SDVegas]

Meri should have invited the whole family to Christmas Eve, and let everyone decide for themselves whether they would go or not. 
 

By not doing so, she did indeed pick sides.