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Kathryn Greenwood (Margaret)
Mark Linn-Baker (Henry)
Christian Jadah (Bjorn)
Lindsey Broad (Judy)
Sonya Huggins (Customer/Yard Sale)
Louis Labonville (Baby Bjorn)
Kelly Craig (Olga)
Rober J. Tavenor (Mike)
Felicia Shulman (Sharon)
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BRB, dying of laughter forever at everything with Jay and the Farnsbys and the other guests XD. Oh. My. God. That was absolutely hysterical. 

But wow, so the Farnsbys have themselves a kinky little lifestyle, eh? Interesting. And we learned who the ghost lurking in their home was, too! And she's stuck having to witness all the kinkiness each month. Wow.  Amazing :D.  I wonder if Sam and Jay will attend that toga party :p?

In other topics, so Thor has a son! Figured that'd be the reveal, of course, but still quite an interesting development. I loved the flashbacks with Thor and young Bjorn, they were so sweet and adorable, and I actually said, "Ohhhhh..." at the realization of just who Bjorn had married. I'm glad Thor didn't decide to cut off ties with his son in the end, though, yes, clearly he has some learning of his own to do about his attitude towards Danish people. It's sad that Thor never got to see his son grow up, but yay for Jay coming up with a solution to help them communicate with each other. Jay really is the best :). 

I was also struck by Isaac and Flower's reactions to the whole drama with Thor and Bjorn. We know Flower lost touch with her family because of her involvement with the cult, so that would explain her encouraging Thor not to cut Bjorn out of his life. But Isaac...I wonder if his reaction had to do with his own relationship with his father. Either that, or, since we know he was married when he was alive, it has me now wondering how he and his wife dealt with the whole idea of having children of their own. I'd be interested to see the show touch on that at some point, if possible.

I loved the whole thing with the ghosts and the back rubs and TV time :D! I want to see more of them using that system! That spot in the sunlight does look pretty cozy, so I get it. And I love that it set up a whole competition between Hetty and Trevor. I'm not surprised she'd be as ruthless as she was in the end, but I did like the talk between her and Trevor, and Trevor describing the kind of life he imagined having had he lived longer. That'd make for a good topic for an episode, too, everyone imagining where their lives would've gone had they lived longer. 

Very fun, sweet episode, this one :). 

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I don't get why sitting in a chair that gets sun is so precious when they can go outside and get all the sun they want.  As to how intangible ghosts can sit on furniture and walk on floors, I tell myself that subconsciously the ghosts simply conform their bodies to those surfaces out of habit from when they were alive, or in the case of Thor and Sasappis, from years of seeing the living use furniture.

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1 hour ago, cdnalor said:

I don't get why sitting in a chair that gets sun is so precious when they can go outside and get all the sun they want.

As the sun moves across the sky, could the chair be moved to follow it?  If they can have a rotation for who gets to choose the tv show, why can't they agree to have a rotation for the chair?

Who turns on the tv/changes channels when they do take turns?  Why can't more than one person have a turn each week?  Is there only one time a week that Jay and Sam will let them use the tv?  This didn't make much sense to me.

Finally, like actual money that doesn't ever get traded in for gold, does anyone ever claim a backrub?  Would they have to somehow keep track of who they acquired the backrub from in order to be able to use it?

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I wonder how Bjorn died.  And how did he know that Thorfinn had been abandoned? Did Thorfinn's shipmates boast about it when they returned to Norway?  Was it an accident?  If they had done it on purpose, I assume they would have lied to Bjorn's mother and would have said he died in battle.

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I’m not very sympathetic to the late Mrs. Farnsby. The woman can’t call her son a pervert if she’s going to hang around to watch his orgy. Go outside, ma’am! 

I was hoping we’d find out more about the back rub economy. How long does a back rub have to last? Can they be cashed out all at once? How are they keeping track of their accounts? Will Hetty, hater of touching, be forced to spend an entire century massaging her fellow ghosts? I gotta know!

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So the ghost Sam met last season at the Farnsby’s is actually Mr. Farnsby’s mother. The things she must have witnessed on the first Wednesday of every month. Jay was all excited someone else had a toy room until he realized what kind of toys lmao. It was sweet of Jay to lead Sam out with her eyes closed so she wouldn’t be scarred for life.

Isaac and Flower fortunately got Thor to see sense and talk to his son. Thor having a wife and son makes the flashback last season when his shipmates left him behind even sadder. And he finally got to hear his son call him father after 1,000 years, aww. Hopefully there’s a way they can see each other in person so they don’t have to shout through windows. Poor Sam will never get any sleep!

Damn Hetty is cunning. I laughed at how horrified she was when she realized she accidentally formed a union lmao. 

“What if the wall were made out of couch?” Flower with the real questions. 

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I totally called it last season! I knew the upside-down pineapples would mean the Farnsbys were swingers.

I laughed so hard at Trevor threatening to play The Cutting Edge on a loop. I also paused when they showed the tv and read the names of the other tv shows. I'm most interested in "Shipping Denise" with a photo that seems to show Denise being shipped in a box? I want to know more.

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7 minutes ago, redpencil said:

I totally called it last season! I knew the upside-down pineapples would mean the Fransbys were swingers.

Proof that I am not at ALL up on my kink scenes - I had no idea that an upside down pineapple was a sign that someone was a swinger until people started mentioning that here last season :p. 

But having learned about that, going into this episode, I totally thought that would be a bait and switch moment, where we'd learn the upside down pineapple had a much more innocuous explanation. But nope. They just went there and made them swingers :D. And the fact they played it so straight made it that much funnier somehow. 

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6 hours ago, redpencil said:

 I'm most interested in "Shipping Denise" with a photo that seems to show Denise being shipped in a box? I want to know more.

The only thing I could think of was a 90s movie called "Boxing Helena" whose premise/script was so bad that even Madonna backed out of it.  Maybe they used the title "Shipping Denise" as a substitute or spoof for the original "Boxing Helena"??  

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9 hours ago, redpencil said:

I totally called it last season! I knew the upside-down pineapples would mean the Fransbys were swingers.

I was going to hunt down your old post and give you all the kudos for that catch! 🍍I used to know a few folks who were into that (no thanks!) a long, long time ago, but I don't remember any pineapples: upside down or rightside up.

I loved the Thorfinn and Bjorn story. His wife was a beauty and Little Bjorn was very cute. Glad he was finally able to get past the "DANES!" No heads lined up outside that house, for sure. Jay's solution was a good one.

I still can't figure out why Thorfinn and Sassapis can't go beyond the Woodstone property boundaries. They died long before the plats were even drawn up and probably had plenty of roaming rights for hundreds of years. Oh, well! Another ghost enigma.

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Not my favorite episode.  The swinger storyline was more awkward than funny and for some reason the Thor storyline was only interesting when he was in his homeland.  The backrub thing came out of nowhere and why didn't Sam just offer to put a bunch of chairs/benches outside in the sun?  Maybe the "game" of being first to the chair was more satisfying than the actual soaking up of the sun.

Maybe I'll go back and see the TV show listing.  I missed that.  Probably the highlight of the ep. 

TruffleHog:   "Boxing Helena" freaked me out.

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"You don't deserve your gift." Poor Jay, he so badly wants to join the ghost club, although with Thor screaming out the window every night I'm sure that Sam wouldn't mind switching! 

Awww baby Bjorn was such a cutie, and Thor's wife was lovely. Knowing he had a family back home makes him getting abandoned and then dying even sadder, and then being stuck as a ghost alone for so long. Considering Bjorn knew that Thor had been left behind, was it actually an accident? Did one of the other Vikings admit what they did and apologize? Or did they brag about it like assholes? I thought that maybe Bjorn would get sucked off when he finally saw Thor, but hopefully we will still see him sometimes. 

Interesting that Isaac seemed to take Thor wanting to cut Bjorn out of his life pretty personally, along with Flower. We know that Flower spent years regretting cutting her family off because of the cult, but was Isaac estranged from his father? Maybe his dad was a loyalist? We don't know much about his family other than he had sisters who all died as babies.

Who knew the Farnsbys had such a...colorful lifestyle outside of those sweaters and antique deals? Jay's expressions were killing me, especially when all of the clothes were coming off, and this show does double entendres like nobody else. "She learned about it in college." "I bet she did." 

I want to know more about the back rub system right away. We get an epic economic battle between Hetty vs Trever, the Robber Baron vs the Wall Street Bro, and while Trever made some impressive moves, Hetty came out on top. Her horrified reaction at realizing she was starting a union was amazing. 

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Everything with Jay and the Farnsbys was hysterical. Poor, naive Jay. "You have a toy room too?" "Can we switch wives?" "Whatcha doin' Margaret?" 

I loved the flashback to Thor talking to baby Bjorn. "When I was your age my father gave me this." A giant knife! For a baby!

"Finn, fine. Swede - disgusting but OK."

The only thing I didn't get was why there was no interaction between the Ghost of Mrs. Farnsby and Sam at the yard sale. The ghost seemed really excited to talk to Sam last season, and as far as we know this is only the second time they've seen each other. But they were weirdly ignoring each other. I wonder if they cut something out.

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I don't get why sitting in a chair that gets sun is so precious when they can go outside and get all the sun they want.

I take it they can feel heat and cold, because Trevor in particular appreciated the warmth of the chair since he has no pants. That probably means it's warmer to sit in the sun inside the house than to go outside, depending on when this is taking place (I assume November since they had a Halloween episode last week).

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This was a fun episode.  I expected Jay to know about some secret cut-through pass that was technically their property, or a narrow part of the in-between neighbor's yard that they could see/shout across, when he said he had a way for them to communicate.  The upstairs window was great, though.  Much funnier.  So here's a "would it be in the ghost manual, if it existed" question...  If Jay and Sam built a tree house/platform in a tree on the edge of their property, to get Thor a closer vantage point (and so Sam could get some sleep), could Thor climb the ladder, and stand on the platform?  Or would he go through it?

So the ghost of Mrs. Farnsby is the mother of the current Mr. Farnsby, right?  If so, that means she had to die when he was rather young - based on her clothes/hair, she died in the late 50's, maybe early 60's.  Mark Linn Baker is 68, safe to assume Mr. Farnsby is in the same age range.   So he would have been 6-10ish when his mom died.  That's sort of sad. 

And I agree, it's weird that there was no interaction between ghost Mrs. Farnsby and Sam at the garage sale.  Nor any interaction between Bjorn and ghost Mrs. Farnsby.  It would be interesting to see how those two get along.  And if there are any other ghosts on the Farnsby property.

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1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

The only thing I didn't get was why there was no interaction between the Ghost of Mrs. Farnsby and Sam

Maybe Sam is making an effort not to respond to ghosts quite so quickly. She’s been called out on it and doesn’t want to earn a negative reputation. 
My thought on the sunny spot: have other seating in the sweet-spots created by all the windows. They would get exposure on at the very least, two sides of the house, possibly three. 

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15 hours ago, Annber03 said:

 I did like the talk between her and Trevor, and Trevor describing the kind of life he imagined having had he lived longer. That'd make for a good topic for an episode, too, everyone imagining where their lives would've gone had they lived longer. 

This is a spoiler, but

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some of the stuff Trevor talked about is definitely going to feature in a future episode.

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4 hours ago, Ms Lark said:

I still can't figure out why Thorfinn and Sassapis can't go beyond the Woodstone property boundaries.

I just assumed there was a limit to how far they could go from the specific spot where they died, like a certain number of yards or something.

2 hours ago, Johann said:

Maybe the "game" of being first to the chair was more satisfying than the actual soaking up of the sun.

That is quite likely.

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2 hours ago, Johann said:

Maybe the "game" of being first to the chair was more satisfying than the actual soaking up of the sun.

3 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

That is quite likely.

Sass seemed to really enjoy the sunny spot, and Trevor convincingly (to me) made a case for a sunny spot being a real relief to a pants-less person.

I hope Mark can be hired to create some bay windows, ostensibly so the guests can have sunny spots.

But, yes, the competition for the sunny spot was likely also a long-time source of amusement, not unlike watching sports on TV, or horses at a race track.

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3 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Sass seemed to really enjoy the sunny spot, and Trevor convincingly (to me) made a case for a sunny spot being a real relief to a pants-less person.

I hope Mark can be hired to create some bay windows, ostensibly so the guests can have sunny spots.

But, yes, the competition for the sunny spot was likely also a long-time source of amusement, not unlike watching sports on TV, or horses at a race track.

Someone mentioned it's probably early November in the show, so it does make sense that they'd actually enjoy the sunny spot.

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20 hours ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:

Finally, like actual money that doesn't ever get traded in for gold, does anyone ever claim a backrub?  Would they have to somehow keep track of who they acquired the backrub from in order to be able to use it?

Blockchain! I wonder if they somehow “mine” back rubs like bitcoins, too. How do back rubs get generated? If you are free to promise any number of back rubs in exchange for something, that would quickly lead to hyperinflation and the back rub economy would collapse, so that’s not it. Can they maybe only promise a “reasonable” number of back rubs that can be actually physically delivered? But they have eternity to deliver them. Do back rubs maybe expire to control inflation? Then it shouldn’t matter too much that Trevor (new money, he) has only been dead for twenty years and hasn’t had time to amass them. So many questions… I wonder if the writers have this developed. (Favorite back rub-related bit from the episode - the facial expression Isaac produced when Trevor asked incredulously how Sam does not know about back rubs.)

Hetty’s plan to wrestle control over the TV back from Trevor was pretty brilliant, but it’s not obvious why the rest of the ghosts agreed to “unionize” like that. They wanted something, couldn’t afford to keep bidding on it, so they agreed to give it up completely, believing that it will somehow force Trevor to give them what they want? I am not sure I would be convinced that it would work. Hetty, of course, knew exactly what Trevor’s buttons she was going to push and how, but the rest of them didn’t and just took in on faith that it would work. 

I know it was used simply as a plot device to clue Thor in that his son had married a Dane, but just want to point out that Alma, Magnus, Lars, etc. are all-Scandinavian names, not specifically Danish. Although maybe they were just Danish a thousand years ago?

Another Thor moment I loved was when he asked Sam: “What kind of journalist are you? These are obvious questions!” I know the feeling! I like how they write Thor to be astute in some cases and not so much in others. “Irony he gets, but cars are still landships.”

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1 hour ago, desertflower said:

I got a kick out of The Cutting Edge references. I have an inexplicable fondness for that movie and have to stop to watch it whenever I catch it on tv. Toepick! 

Presumably with your lovely wife, Tara Reid? 

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I, too, have questions regarding the backrub economy.  Are backrubs ever....realized?  Do the ghosts ever demand their due?  Like....  Pete sidles up to Alberta to redeem a backrub.  Does it have to be a backrub Alberta originally bargained with that has passed through other ghostly hands, or can any ghost with a backrub token go to any other ghost and redeem it?  Are relative values given to individual ghosts backrubs?  I imagine Thorfin is rather ouchily firm with his backrubs, and might be good for deep tissue massage--if he doesn't break your bones first.  Flower, with her commune and hippie background might be pretty good , but her attention span is a bit lacking so what might start out as a really relaxing massage suddenly ends as she gets distracted by the pattern in the carpet.  Much like Trevor memorized fingernail polish color names, I'll bet he learned how to give a good massage in his constant horndog quest to "get some."  If Hetty never actually gives any backrubs, then why do the ghosts continue to accept her bids?

Do ghosts even get stiff necks or sore backs?  Knots in their shoulders?  How can you even massage someone like Flower who presumably has terrible mauling injuries on her shoulder and back?  Or Pete, with the arrow through his neck.

So.  Many.  Questions......

Good episode though!  Loved the Cutting Edge references.  Loved the swinger party, and Jay's slow dawning realization of the terrible misunderstanding.  Poor Sam, having to hear shouted Viking conversations every night.  I actually expected Bjorn to get sucked off now that he had fulfilled his goal, found his father, and reconciled. 

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2 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

Someone mentioned it's probably early November in the show, so it does make sense that they'd actually enjoy the sunny spot.

Do ghosts get cold?  Do they feel the elements?  I guess so, but they don't feel lack of oxygen if locked in a safe.  They do smell stuff.  They walk through walls, but sit on furniture and don't fall through floors.  It hurts if a person walks through them, but solid objects don't hurt.  The rules are a mite confusing.

Getting back to the elements if they stood outside in a snowstorm would snow pile up on them?  Would they get wet in the rain?  I'm assuming they can't get sunburns.

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1 hour ago, possibilities said:

Thor's wife lost both her husband and her son. Sad.

Maybe she died peacefully at home surrounded by grandchildren before Bjorn left. 
 

Bjorn’s wife lost her husband, too. Also sad. :(

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Maybe Sam is making an effort not to respond to ghosts quite so quickly. She’s been called out on it and doesn’t want to earn a negative reputation

She did that when she first saw the ghost last season because the Farnsbys were in the room. And I could see her trying to ignore Ghost Mrs. Farnsby at the yard sale with people around. But  it doesn't make any sense for Ghost Farnsby to ignore Sam when she was so excited to talk to her last season. (That's what makes me think maybe they cut something out of that scene.)

Interesting to note: This episode was written by show creators Joe Port and Joe Wiseman - who also wrote The Farnsby & B which introduced Ghost Mrs. Farnsby.

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Do ghosts even get stiff necks or sore backs?  Knots in their shoulders? 

Yes! Because Pete wanted Nancy to rub  his shoulders after she made him sleep on the floor. (But she refused to touch any of his "man parts.")

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3 hours ago, shura said:

Hetty’s plan to wrestle control over the TV back from Trevor was pretty brilliant, but it’s not obvious why the rest of the ghost agreed to “unionize” like that. They wanted something, couldn’t afford to keep bidding on it, so they agreed to give it up completely, believing that it will somehow force Trevor to give them what they want? I am not sure I would be convinced it that it would work. Hetty, of course, knew exactly what Trevor’s buttons she was going to push and how, but the rest of them didn’t and just took in on faith that it would work

Congratulations. You have just described the state of the globe, today. 

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Sam and Jay are mirror images of the Farnsbys. They are a young couple who throw boring parties while the Farnsbys are older people who are swingers. They both have Norse ghosts and family ghosts living with them. Hetty would have been a good business woman she didn't need Elias. I hope we see flashbacks to Hetty and her children.

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2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

But  it doesn't make any sense for Ghost Farnsby to ignore Sam when she was so excited to talk to her last season.

I suspect that was mostly plot driven so that Jay would come to the orgy, and the audience would still know what was happening. That way we could see and enjoy the miscommunication.

Why didn't Thorfinn ask about the severed heads? It was an obvious question.

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I'm not sure if this was on purpose or just coincidence, but on the show Vikings, the main character's son is named Bjorn. 

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I know it was used simply as a plot device to clue Thor in that his son had married a Dane, but just want to point out that Alma, Magnus, Lars, etc. are all-Scandinavian names, not specifically Danish. Although maybe they were just Danish a thousand years ago?

Alma seems to be derived from Latin. Magnus the first was king of Norway from 1042 to 1047 and that seems like around the time Thor died. Lars also traces back to Norway. Seems like the writers didn't do their homework. 

Either that or the village Thor comes from never used names that might be used by Dane - hence his shipmates being Gunnar, Ivar and Other Ivar.

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5 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I'm not sure if this was on purpose or just coincidence, but on the show Vikings, the main character's son is named Bjorn. 

I think it was for a joke. The episode title is The Baby Bjorn

and there is The Baby Bjorn

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9 hours ago, Stats Queen said:

I think it was for a joke. The episode title is The Baby Bjorn

and there is The Baby Bjorn

I laughed at that.

Bjorn reminded me of my friend's niece's boyfriend (if he was wearing jeans and a hoodie).

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21 hours ago, proserpina65 said:
On 11/4/2022 at 8:26 AM, Ms Lark said:

I still can't figure out why Thorfinn and Sassapis can't go beyond the Woodstone property boundaries.

I just assumed there was a limit to how far they could go from the specific spot where they died, like a certain number of yards or something.

I wondered why Thor and Bjorn couldn't just go to the edges of their respective properties, stand near each other, and have a conversation.

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50 minutes ago, NoReally said:

I wondered why Thor and Bjorn couldn't just go to the edges of their respective properties, stand near each other, and have a conversation.

Rapid fire comment from Sam: their (the “swingers”) property is two houses away from the B&B. Easy to have missed it. 

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Bjorn's "Viking accent" slipped a few time while he was yelling. It reminds me of how some of my relatives also speak with accents, but a few words and short phrases are spoken with perfect American midwestern accent.

Bjorn look pretty young. I feel bad for his wife and children. It would be hilarious if his children also came to find him and there are other Viking ghosts wondering the area for Sam to stumble upon.

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On 11/4/2022 at 11:34 AM, chaifan said:

If Jay and Sam built a tree house/platform in a tree on the edge of their property, to get Thor a closer vantage point (and so Sam could get some sleep), could Thor climb the ladder, and stand on the platform?  Or would he go through it?

Aside from floors and couches it seems like the lead safe door is the only other ghost solid they've introduced, so I'd vote no on the ladder, unless it had lead rungs. And since Sam and Jay know about the safe door why haven't they gotten a piece of lead and attached a pencil or some chalk to it so they could talk to Jay, or used that knowledge in some other creative way? I'm with Flower on this one, Ghost Rules are very confusing.

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I think it was for a joke. The episode title is The Baby Bjorn

Yeah I got that, but Bjorn is also the name of a main character on Vikings. I can't help wondering if the writers knew that.

I also got a kick out of everyone vying to "get the shaft." Another phrase they don't seem to understand - although I'd think both Trevor and Pete would know it. Possibly Flower as well.

Pete suggesting they make do without TV like in the good old days: "Tell stories, play charades, trade secrets. (whisper voice) I hate mustard. Shhh!" 

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57 minutes ago, SG429 said:

Aside from floors and couches it seems like the lead safe door is the only other ghost solid they've introduced, so I'd vote no on the ladder, unless it had lead rungs. And since Sam and Jay know about the safe door why haven't they gotten a piece of lead and attached a pencil or some chalk to it so they could talk to Jay, or used that knowledge in some other creative way? I'm with Flower on this one, Ghost Rules are very confusing.

But they can go up and down stairs...

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Ha ha! it's funny to be grossed out by the thought of old people having sex. Except not. If they had been young and attractive, wouldn't that be called slut shaming?

Did Bjorn say he married for love? It could have been an arranged marriage or he took his wife after a raid on her village. 

It was pretty obvious Hetty was playing Trevor. Trevor, you can't win against a member of the robber baron class. They're born oppressors. 

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