S06.E10: Every Version of You

[cameron]

8 hours ago, Johnny Dollar said:

Jack coddled young Kate so much that she was never able to develop a sense of self and led a mostly aimless life.

Jack raised young Kevin with his so much toxic masculinity that he hasn’t been able to form a meaningful relationship with a woman into his 40s.

Jack ignored young Randall so much that he grew up with a hero complex and a giant bag of neuroses.

Jack was an alcoholic who didn’t allow Rebecca to have a say in how their kids were raised.

Jack abandoned his PTSD suffering brother to such an extreme extent that he told his family that he was dead, leaving the man alone and in despair for decades.

Jack effectively tossed aside his mother once she got up enough courage to leave her abusive husband.

Jack was an awful father, husband, brother and son. 

And Jack always went around with dirty or at least greasy hair.

[peeayebee]

 

11 hours ago, Johnny Dollar said:

Jack raised young Kevin with his so much toxic masculinity ...

Could you explain?

[30 Helens]

7 hours ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:

Honestly, what would she have put in Kate's?  These boxes must have been started sometime after the fire. This is not even a comment on Kate's relative lack of direction over the years.  Kevin was a tv star who also made movies and starred in a play, and Randall has had professional success in 2 separate careers and won an election.  Why would there be press clips about Kate?

A child’s box wouldn’t have to be about press clippings. It could be filled with report cards, drawings, birthday cards, you name it. My mother collected all kinds of crap of mine, and I never had a TV show or political career!

[Ohiopirate02]

Just now, 30 Helens said:

A child’s box wouldn’t have to be about press clippings. It could be filled with report cards, drawings, birthday cards, you name it. My mother collected all kinds of crap of mine, and I never had a TV show or political career!

All of that stuff from their childhood would have been lost in the fire.  We saw last season how the only stuff Rebecca has from the kids' childhood is what was in the cabin.  Even then they had a leak and some pictures were ruined.

[30 Helens]

7 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

All of that stuff from their childhood would have been lost in the fire.  We saw last season how the only stuff Rebecca has from the kids' childhood is what was in the cabin.  Even then they had a leak and some pictures were ruined.

Ok, but weren’t the kids about 12 or so when Jack died? So still plenty of time to collect more things. Even as a young adult, Kate would surely be producing something worth keeping. (Or maybe not. It is Kate, after all.) I’m just saying, mementoes don’t have to be press- or career-related. 

[Empress1]

11 hours ago, Johnny Dollar said:

Jack raised young Kevin with his so much toxic masculinity that he hasn’t been able to form a meaningful relationship with a woman into his 40s.

Jack ignored young Randall so much that he grew up with a hero complex and a giant bag of neuroses.

I disagree. For one, just because a relationship doesn’t last forever doesn’t mean it’s not meaningful (this is why I find the One True Love archetype harmful). Most of Kevin’s relationships that we’ve seen have been meaningful. 

I’m also not sure that Kevin was raised with toxic masculinity - he’s a pretty sensitive guy. He’s not one of those “boys don’t cry or apologize, real men hunt” kinds of guys. Jack said “soon he’ll be a man” about swimming, but I think that’s more of a “swimming is a life skill, he needs to be safe in the water” thing.

And I don’t think Jack ignored Randall. Jack took him to that dojo, he taught Randall to play golf, I think he taught him boxing, there’s a scene where he took Randall to work with him and got Randall to talk about how he was hiding how good he was at math. We know that when Randall would start to panic, Jack would do breathing exercises with him. Randall is Rebecca’s favorite but I don’t think he was ignored by Jack.

Didn’t William have anxiety (meaning Randall likely was predisposed to it)? Tess does, and Randall was upset that she’d inherited it from him. 

[Ohiopirate02]

Just now, 30 Helens said:

Ok, but weren’t the kids about 12 or so when Jack died? So still plenty of time to collect more things. Even as a young adult, Kate would surely be producing something worth keeping. (Or maybe not. It is Kate, after all.) I’m just saying, mementoes don’t have to be press- or career-related. 

They were 17 at the time of the fire and Jack's death.  That happened in February and they graduated from high school in May or June of that year.  

[CdrJanny]

29 minutes ago, 30 Helens said:

A child’s box wouldn’t have to be about press clippings. It could be filled with report cards, drawings, birthday cards, you name it. My mother collected all kinds of crap of mine, and I never had a TV show or political career!

That stuff from childhood was probably all destroyed in the fire.  We didn't see Jack come out of the burning house with such boxes.

13 minutes ago, 30 Helens said:

Ok, but weren’t the kids about 12 or so when Jack died? So still plenty of time to collect more things. Even as a young adult, Kate would surely be producing something worth keeping. (Or maybe not. It is Kate, after all.) I’m just saying, mementoes don’t have to be press- or career-related. 

They were 17, almost through high school.

[Jeddah]

7 hours ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:

Honestly, what would she have put in Kate's?  These boxes must have been started sometime after the fire. This is not even a comment on Kate's relative lack of direction over the years.  Kevin was a tv star who also made movies and starred in a play, and Randall has had professional success in 2 separate careers and won an election.  Why would there be press clips about Kate?

Now I’m imagining Kate’s box is just paparazzi shots of Kevin where Kate is in the background.

[Crs97]

I am rewatching; since Randall sat back down when Rebecca said they should give Deja space and then we went to commercial I can hand-wave that they ate first and then went to the bar.

[Blakeston]

I was glad that Deja apologized to Randall. She's been a brat lately, and the "you took me from my mother" accusation was ridiculous. (Her bio mom made a conscious choice to relinquish her parental rights.)

But as much as it was nice to see her apologize, I don't buy for a second that Deja would come around so quickly. She was dead-set on moving in with Malik. She saw him as her one true love, and she was very smug in her belief that she was so extremely mature that leaving home and shacking up made perfect sense.

Then Randall successfully convinces Malik to break up with her, and less than a day later she's at peace with that? No way. We don't know what Malik told her, but presumably it was some version of what Randall said - along the lines of, "you deserve to have a normal childhood," or "you're too young for this." To a 17-year-old who thinks they know everything, that's not going to go over well.

I could see Deja looking back years later and thinking, "Yeah, he was right about that." But almost immediately after Malik breaks up with her? I think she'd still be furious.

 

[AzraeltheCat]

On 3/30/2022 at 2:09 PM, Empress1 said:

Rebecca was born in 1950. I think she looks her age (I actually think they dress her too dowdily) but her voice has always bugged me -Mandy Moore doesn’t really modify her voice when she plays present-day Rebecca.

That doesn't bother me at all, I actually hate when shows have "older" people [portrayed by younger actor] talking in some high pitched quavery voice as a sign of age.  My mother is 80 and her voice sounds like it did 30-40 years ago, same with my dad.  I did have some other relatives whose voices got a little thin or quavery as they got into their 70s-80s, but they also had health problems. While Rebecca has cognitive issues, her overall health seems good.  

Edited April 1, 2022 by AzraeltheCat

[statsgirl]

17 hours ago, Johnny Dollar said:

Jack was an awful father, husband, brother and son. 

That's what shocks me. I started watching the show thinking that Jack was going to be a really great guy.

So kudos to the show's p.r., I guess?

6 hours ago, Empress1 said:

Didn’t William have anxiety (meaning Randall likely was predisposed to it)? Tess does, and Randall was upset that she’d inherited it from him. 

Randall probably did inherit a proclivity to an anxiety disorder. But the way he was raised made it worse, not better.

[Ohiopirate02]

1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

That's what shocks me. I started watching the show thinking that Jack was going to be a really great guy.

So kudos to the show's p.r., I guess?

That's what makes the show so compelling, Jack is a complex character who is capable of being a great guy and a shitty husband/father/brother/son all at the same time.  His family idolizes him partly because he died young and with unfinished business.  They choose to forget his faults, but us viewers do not have that luxury. We see him warts and all.  

[PRgal]

Speaking of Rebecca’s age, does anyone find it odd that she was referring to her first crush/crush when she was 15 as a James Dean lookalike?  Rebecca would have only been 5 or so when James Dean died and he only made three movies (I don’t know much about 1960s television showing older movies.  Was that a regular thing?).  It’s not exactly the same as Kate saying that a high school crush looked like Tom Cruise or Matthew Broderick (he might not be a hottie in the traditional sense, but he IS cute!!  SJP is very lucky…lol) since they were still working in the 90s….. 

[CdrJanny]

2 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

That's what makes the show so compelling, Jack is a complex character who is capable of being a great guy and a shitty husband/father/brother/son all at the same time.  His family idolizes him partly because he died young and with unfinished business.  They choose to forget his faults, but us viewers do not have that luxury. We see him warts and all.  

Your point about Jack dying young is a valid one, but I truly believe that all of Jack's family members, including Nicky, do not see that he had any faults whatsoever.  It's weird, but I've seen it in other families where Dad's word is law.

[Ohiopirate02]

1 hour ago, CdrJanny said:

Your point about Jack dying young is a valid one, but I truly believe that all of Jack's family members, including Nicky, do not see that he had any faults whatsoever.  It's weird, but I've seen it in other families where Dad's word is law.

Nicky was so full of self-loathing and guilt for decades.  Jack cutting him off felt right to him.  He felt he did not deserve his personal Superman forgiving him for his sins.  He is going to remember Jack for everything he did during their childhood.   

[peeayebee]

3 hours ago, PRgal said:

Speaking of Rebecca’s age, does anyone find it odd that she was referring to her first crush/crush when she was 15 as a James Dean lookalike?  Rebecca would have only been 5 or so when James Dean died and he only made three movies (I don’t know much about 1960s television showing older movies.  

I don't think it's odd. He died a few years before I was born, but I wouldn't hesitate to make such a comparison if it were appropriate. I was really big into old movies, like back to the 1930s, so I was very aware of past movie stars. I can't remember if we'd seen Rebecca talking about old movies, but in any case, I don't think it's farfetched at all.

[CrystalBlue]

On 3/30/2022 at 7:31 AM, BC4ME said:

And SO much wasted food on TV! Nobody ever finishes their meals. Oh, and never shutting the door when they go in a house.

Randall wanted to leave the diner with Rebecca with his entire pastrami sandwich left on the plate!

[Pallas]

Rebecca's way of dealing with her illness is to use it as a second chance to reach her kids and help them go forward. She realizes now that for years after Jack died, she was too lost to help their children start their adulthoods. Over the course of the show, she's spent a lot of time with each, and finally allowed herself to see that the break in their lifelines at 17 was a crucial element in what they've made of their temperaments, talents and life experiences. And how she wasn't really there. 

Now she's facing a time when soon, once again, she won't really be there. She sees that she has a final chance to overcome her maternal anxiety -- which Jack described (in Randall's hallucination) as a woman constantly vigilant, running from the front to the rear of the cabin, while carrying a baby -- and urge them out into the world, to find their places there. So far, even at 40, they haven't or have barely begun. So Rebecca has taken this lucid moment to tell them, This is what you can do for me: grow up; make good.

[drafan]

On 3/30/2022 at 6:25 PM, watch2much said:

and the Cat Steven's son at the end was perfect.

It made me sad...sad to not be seeing Ruth Gordon stealing a car and peeling out........

[statsgirl]

On 4/1/2022 at 5:41 PM, PRgal said:

Speaking of Rebecca’s age, does anyone find it odd that she was referring to her first crush/crush when she was 15 as a James Dean lookalike?  Rebecca would have only been 5 or so when James Dean died and he only made three movies (I don’t know much about 1960s television showing older movies.  Was that a regular thing?).

I don't recall any theatrical releases being shown on television in the 60s. The closest would be the drive-in in a summer resort town.  In 1965 when  Rebecca was 15, my preteen crush object was Robert Fuller (Jess on Laramie) although he was supplanted the next year by Mr. Spock.

It's like in parenting styles where both Jack and Rebecca parent like someone born thirty years earlier. The writers don't seem to have a handle on how someone born in the late forties or early fifties would behave.

[Rootbeer]

On 3/30/2022 at 1:21 PM, Domenicholas said:

Toby: I don't want to leave a job that I feel validated in, where I have a strong support system, and in a place where I feel most comfortable.

Audience: You go, Toby!

Kate: I don't want to leave a job that I feel validated in, where I have a strong support system, and in a place where I feel most comfortable.

Audience: Stop being selfish, Kate!

The biggest argument I've seen for Toby is that his job makes a lot more money than Kate's does, but as I remember, Kate's job maintained the family well. Kate got the job in the first place to support the family. Toby didn't get a job because they were struggling for money, he did so because he didn't like being a stay-at-home Dad (correct me if I'm wrong).

 

I'm afraid you're wrong.  Kate took the teaching assistant job to help because they were running through their savings while Toby was unemployed.  Teaching assistants in California make slightly more than 15 bucks an hour.  Kate is not working at a public school, but a private one, which means she is probably making on the lower end of the spectrum and wouldn't have been getting benefits for part-time work.  There is no way her job maintained the family 'well'.  Add in the fact that Toby is no longer home to care for the kids while she works and Rebecca can't do it.  Full time childcare for 2 kids, one of them special needs, is going to take Kate's entire check.  Also, it appears that what Kate likes is teaching music to special needs kids.  She currently supposedly hates her immediate supervisor (yes, I know that changes).  That being the case, I am sure she can find an equally fulfilling opportunity to assist in music classes for special needs kids in SF and earn minimum wage there.  

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YEST. AT 05:41 PM

Speaking of Rebecca’s age, does anyone find it odd that she was referring to her first crush/crush when she was 15 as a James Dean lookalike

I am several years younger than Rebecca, but I do recall that there were a lot of film festivals in the late 60's-early 70's that featured films by iconic Hollywood stars like James Dean.  Like Marilyn Monroe, he died young and had a bit of a cult following.  Posters of James Dean in his tee shirt and/or leather jacket were often hanging in dorm rooms and such, too.  It is a little weird, IMO, for Rebecca to have had a crush on a movie star who was not alive; but she'd certainly have known who he was and could easily have thought he was pretty good looking.  His image was out there and most teens would've recognized him back then.

Edited April 3, 2022 by Rootbeer

[Diana Berry]

On 3/29/2022 at 9:57 PM, chitowngirl said:

A nice, beautiful episode. They don’t all have to loud and preachy! Justin Hartley did a good job directing.

I was also impressed with his direction of this one.  

[debraran]

8 hours ago, Rootbeer said:

I'm afraid you're wrong.  Kate took the teaching assistant job to help because they were running through their savings while Toby was unemployed.  Teaching assistants in California make slightly more than 15 bucks an hour.  Kate is not working at a public school, but a private one, which means she is probably making on the lower end of the spectrum and wouldn't have been getting benefits for part-time work.  There is no way her job maintained the family 'well'.  Add in the fact that Toby is no longer home to care for the kids while she works and Rebecca can't do it.  Full time childcare for 2 kids, one of them special needs, is going to take Kate's entire check.  Also, it appears that what Kate likes is teaching music to special needs kids.  She currently supposedly hates her immediate supervisor (yes, I know that changes).  That being the case, I am sure she can find an equally fulfilling opportunity to assist in music classes for special needs kids in SF and earn minimum wage there.  

I am several years younger than Rebecca, but I do recall that there were a lot of film festivals in the late 60's-early 70's that featured films by iconic Hollywood stars like James Dean.  Like Marilyn Monroe, he died young and had a bit of a cult following.  Posters of James Dean in his tee shirt and/or leather jacket were often hanging in dorm rooms and such, too.  It is a little weird, IMO, for Rebecca to have had a crush on a movie star who was not alive; but she'd certainly have known who he was and could easily have thought he was pretty good looking.  His image was out there and most teens would've recognized him back then.

I knew women who loved guys like Clark Gable after watching them in movies with parents and said they had crush but of course posters were more the current stars on walls.

[Chewy101]

On 3/30/2022 at 10:50 AM, 3 is enough said:

On 3/30/2022 at 9:31 AM, BC4ME said:

And SO much wasted food on TV! Nobody ever finishes their meals. Oh, and never shutting the door when they go in a house.

Or locking the door when they go out...

Or saying goodbye when they hang up the phone. 

Although I never lock my doors, so it happens.

[peeayebee]

10 hours ago, Rootbeer said:

I am several years younger than Rebecca, but I do recall that there were a lot of film festivals in the late 60's-early 70's that featured films by iconic Hollywood stars like James Dean.  Like Marilyn Monroe, he died young and had a bit of a cult following.  Posters of James Dean in his tee shirt and/or leather jacket were often hanging in dorm rooms and such, too.  It is a little weird, IMO, for Rebecca to have had a crush on a movie star who was not alive; but she'd certainly have known who he was and could easily have thought he was pretty good looking.  His image was out there and most teens would've recognized him back then.

Not only that, but local TV channels had afternoon movies with old films, so it's possible she'd seen him in one. However, as you said, James Dean was an icon, and his image would have well-known.

[chocolatine]

I'm the Big Three's age, and several girls in my high school class had crushes on Jim Morrison (lead singer of The Doors), even though he died long before they were born.

[Ohiopirate02]

1 hour ago, chocolatine said:

I'm the Big Three's age, and several girls in my high school class had crushes on Jim Morrison (lead singer of The Doors), even though he died long before they were born.

I'm the same age, and can attest to teen girls crushing on Jim Morrison.   Rebecca crushing on James Dean doesn't feel off for me.  

I figure the writers picked a name from a hastily created Old Hollywood Hotties list--Clark Gable, Brando, James Dean, Paul Newman, Elvis, Christopher Plummer, etc.  I personally would have gone with Paul Newman.  

[PRgal]

8 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I'm the same age, and can attest to teen girls crushing on Jim Morrison.   Rebecca crushing on James Dean doesn't feel off for me.  

I figure the writers picked a name from a hastily created Old Hollywood Hotties list--Clark Gable, Brando, James Dean, Paul Newman, Elvis, Christopher Plummer, etc.  I personally would have gone with Paul Newman.  

Ditto. Heh. 

[RedbirdNelly]

I enjoyed this episode. I don't hate watch This is Us so I easily skip over parts that are not 100% realistic. I watch it for the heart warming moments. I cried several times. I adored the side by side tooth brushing scenes. 

[Empress1]

5 hours ago, RedbirdNelly said:

I enjoyed this episode. I don't hate watch This is Us so I easily skip over parts that are not 100% realistic. I watch it for the heart warming moments. I cried several times. I adored the side by side tooth brushing scenes. 

Ha - I always think of one of my friends when I see those because she hates watching people brush their teeth. It grosses her out - she always either skips or closes her eyes at those scenes. And on House Hunters, when couples say they want double sinks to brush their teeth together, she’s like “nope!” She intentionally times it so that she brushes her teeth at a different time than her wife.

[MissLucas]

I'm younger than Rebecca but I remember that I had my notebook for French grammar wrapped in a b/w poster of James Dean. I remember more about that poster than the contents of the notebook, dommage!

[Crs97]

My crushes were almost always men either dead or way older than me.  I grew up on b&w and classic movies.  Cary Grant and Robert Redford still take my breath away.

[OpalNightstream]

On 4/1/2022 at 5:41 PM, PRgal said:

Speaking of Rebecca’s age, does anyone find it odd that she was referring to her first crush/crush when she was 15 as a James Dean lookalike?  Rebecca would have only been 5 or so when James Dean died and he only made three movies (I don’t know much about 1960s television showing older movies.  Was that a regular thing?).  It’s not exactly the same as Kate saying that a high school crush looked like Tom Cruise or Matthew Broderick (he might not be a hottie in the traditional sense, but he IS cute!!  SJP is very lucky…lol) since they were still working in the 90s….. 

I was born in 1975 and had a crush on James dean. Believe me, if I found a guy who looked like James dean when I was 15 (in 1990!) I would’ve been thrilled!

[Leeds]

As soon as Randall went over to the cop, I knew part of his speechifying would include becoming President.

(Please god let there never be a spin-off about President Randall Pearson.)

 

[CountryGirl]

5 hours ago, Leeds said:

As soon as Randall went over to the cop, I knew part of his speechifying would include becoming President.

(Please god let there never be a spin-off about President Randall Pearson.)

 

Well now you just put that out into the universe. 😝

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Leeds said:

As soon as Randall went over to the cop, I knew part of his speechifying would include becoming President.

(Please god let there never be a spin-off about President Randall Pearson.)

 

At one point Aaron Sorkin said Sterling would be his top choice for president if they did a West Wing reboot, so......

[peeayebee]

11 hours ago, Crs97 said:

My crushes were almost always men either dead or way older than me.  I grew up on b&w and classic movies.  Cary Grant and Robert Redford still take my breath away.

Give me Gary Cooper any day.

[smartymarty]

On 3/31/2022 at 6:25 AM, cameron said:

And I would have shone her the front door and told her to go and live with her natural mother.

A teenager just mouthing off? If she hadn't been adopted, I wouldn't have been surprised at an outburst of "I must have been adopted!!" or "I wish I were never born!" She was just angry that Randall interfered with her relationship. And I agree. Randall never should have encouraged Malik to break up. (And did he initially do it just by ghosting her? No conversation until she confronted him in Boston? That doesn't sound like him.) Randall and Beth needed to have a calm, almost treat her like an adult, conversation with Deja about her plan to move to Boston, asking about the realities, the worst case scenarios, so that she could come to her own decision.

I was so confused about the love of the cookies because every time they mentioned them, I heard "Smelly Fish cookies." Sounded horrible! It wasn't until I saw the smiles on them instead of fish that I realized something was wrong, and my husband set me straight.

[cameron]

1 hour ago, smartymarty said:

A teenager just mouthing off? If she hadn't been adopted, I wouldn't have been surprised at an outburst of "I must have been adopted!!" or "I wish I were never born!" She was just angry that Randall interfered with her relationship. And I agree. Randall never should have encouraged Malik to break up. (And did he initially do it just by ghosting her? No conversation until she confronted him in Boston? That doesn't sound like him.) Randall and Beth needed to have a calm, almost treat her like an adult, conversation with Deja about her plan to move to Boston, asking about the realities, the worst case scenarios, so that she could come to her own decision.

I was so confused about the love of the cookies because every time they mentioned them, I heard "Smelly Fish cookies." Sounded horrible! It wasn't until I saw the smiles on them instead of fish that I realized something was wrong, and my husband set me straight.

She is only 17 and hasn't made any adult like decisions starting with sneaking off twice to see Malik in Boston.

[mansonlamps]

On 4/3/2022 at 1:43 PM, Ohiopirate02 said:

I'm the same age, and can attest to teen girls crushing on Jim Morrison.   Rebecca crushing on James Dean doesn't feel off for me.  

I figure the writers picked a name from a hastily created Old Hollywood Hotties list--Clark Gable, Brando, James Dean, Paul Newman, Elvis, Christopher Plummer, etc.  I personally would have gone with Paul Newman.  

This is totally shallow,  but sometimes meeting a celebrity in person can be a let down.   I used to go to a lot of auto racing events and Paul Newman was there quite often.   In person,  though the eyes are magnificent,  he was tiny.  I mean short in stature but also super thin.  And very much balding.  Still hot,  but I bet a lot of the women with crushes would have towered over him.

[Ohiopirate02]

16 minutes ago, mansonlamps said:

This is totally shallow,  but sometimes meeting a celebrity in person can be a let down.   I used to go to a lot of auto racing events and Paul Newman was there quite often.   In person,  though the eyes are magnificent,  he was tiny.  I mean short in stature but also super thin.  And very much balding.  Still hot,  but I bet a lot of the women with crushes would have towered over him.

Nothing wrong with a Short King when he's as pretty as Paul.  I also came of age when Prince was in his prime.  

[CdrJanny]

1 hour ago, cameron said:

She is only 17 and hasn't made any adult like decisions starting with sneaking off twice to see Malik in Boston.

Randall and Beth would have been justified in asking Deja how she planned to support herself in Cambridge (Harvard is in Cambridge, not Boston) without a high school diploma and no work experience.  Also, they should (gently) press her about her plans in case Mailk leaves her and hooks back up with Jennifer, his baby mama.

 

And none of them seem to realize, as smart as they all are, that in Pennsylvania minors have to petition the court to become emancipated and need to show the court they are SELF-supporting, not relying on someone like a boyfriend or spouse to support them.

[smartymarty]

19 hours ago, CdrJanny said:

Randall and Beth would have been justified in asking Deja how she planned to support herself in Cambridge.

The ol' Monopoly money scene? :)

[Hudson0325]

On 3/29/2022 at 9:57 PM, Domenicholas said:

Finally, I just read Homegoing by Yaa Gyasi recently. It explores the descendants of two Ghanaian half-sisters through both the European colonization of Ghana and Slavery and Racism in the United States. I definitely recommend reading it if you have the chance.

Thank you for the recommendation. It sounds fascinating so I just ordered it.

[nlkm9]

Please give  us Rebecca’s love story after jack, i was hoping we would get that tonite

[debraran]

8 hours ago, nlkm9 said:

Please give  us Rebecca’s love story after jack, i was hoping we would get that tonite

I hope it wasn't cut because of Covid. Dan had said we'd see wedding and them younger but I don't see it coming. Their anniversary would have been a good time to reminisce but we got leaks, fights and missing 2 year olds. (Don't their neighbors or others have sight? No one noticed a 2 year old out?)  I do love them together and really am not on the Jack/Rebecca train of seeing him whisk her into heaven at her death. She loved Miguel for over ten years, you don't erase that for a soapy moment. They had a romantic, solid marriage that had a lot of respect and love. If they have all of them, Jack, Miguel and Kyle maybe, it's cringe worthy but would be emotional. Maybe they have her see her family later and that's how we know how they end up and it might lead to another show or movie one day.

[MBayGal]

On 3/31/2022 at 12:49 AM, kathyk24 said:

And that still leaves Kate as being the one who is sacrificing more.  She's the one who will be with the kids while Toby is working 70 hours a week.  She's the one who will be responsible for the laundry, the grocery shopping, the cooking, the cleaning, bath time, bedtime, etc.  Unless he is pulling in enough money to afford a nanny and housekeeper.

If Toby no longer has to support two separate households, and they sell or rent out the LA house, he could easily afford household help for Kate and the children. 

[Rootbeer]

4 hours ago, MBayGal said:

If Toby no longer has to support two separate households, and they sell or rent out the LA house, he could easily afford household help for Kate and the children. 

As it is, Kate will just mention it to Kevin and she'll get all the help she wants.  He's her backup plan, it seems.  We know she isn't interested in taking a job that might actually support her, let alone the kids.

In real life, a woman Kate's size would have a lot of difficulty with household chores.  I don't see her having an easy time on her knees scrubbing the bathroom or cleaning under the sofa.  So, maybe they already have cleaning support. In the last episode, she stood by yelling for her husband to come help while her 70 year old mother tried to lift a wet mattress.  That is probably exactly what would happen in real life, too.

Edited April 7, 2022 by Rootbeer