S26.E06: Week 6

[Amy Beth]

At this time of night… totally lit by multiple cameramen.

[DEL901]

The note was written by production, so I am sure they put her up to this. 
 

eta.  I don’t know if he was more afraid of it being Mara or Shanae somehow tracking him down.  

Edited February 15, 2022 by DEL901

[Amy Beth]

Just now, DEL901 said:

The note was written by production, so I am sure they put her up to this. 

Of course, without production’s OK, neither one them goes anywhere accompanied by cameras and mics.

[JenE4]

What?! Susie is falling in love with Clayton! Why? Girl, you are gorgeous and sweet. You can do much better! 

[Amy Beth]

Clayton really comes off as a child emotionally. 

[JenE4]

They’re making Jesse walk around Croatia in the middle of the night? This can’t wait until morning? Harrison would have waited until morning. Wait, this other girl’s date is STARTING now?!? I thought this was all happening the night after the group date. Or, did this young girl not get a day portion of a date and only got a dinner so she can be forced to expose her vulnerabilities?

[DEL901]

2 minutes ago, Amy Beth said:

Clayton really comes off as a child emotionally. 

He is still that fat rejected kid on the inside….

[Kiss my mutt]

Mara just needs to pack it in. She seems more like a chaperone than one of the cast. I don’t know if it’s her jawline or what but she looks so hard and closer to 42 to me. 
And Clayton continues to not be able to think for himself and responds to every bug that gets put in his ear or pants.

 

Edited February 16, 2022 by Kiss my mutt

[nlkm9]

8 minutes ago, Amy Beth said:

Clayton really comes off as a child emotionally. 

So fickle. He will be the guy who cheats and blames it on the other woman”forcing him”

[JenE4]

Girl, you can take the napkin out of the ring. She’s hysterical. Isn’t this being vulnerable enough? Production set ALL of this up. Keeping this girl off the group date—but not even giving a REAL 1:1—just so Mara can get worked up and confront Clayton to confront…I’m sorry… I still don’t know her name.  But all of the machinations are so obvious.

[Amy Beth]

My god, the overreaction. Mara IS being a total bitch, but jeez Sarah, just tell Clayton that maybe just maybe, her motives aren’t pure and enjoy what’s left of the evening. The waterworks are so unnecessary.

[phlebas]

Maybe Mara isn't getting a date because of her strong "I want to shove my ovipositor down your throat and lay eggs in your stomach" vibe.

[Kiss my mutt]

She “didn’t have to go through this”, Clayton. You picked up a ball that wasn’t even in play and ran with it.  
 

[JenE4]

Clayton doesn’t want to make the wrong decision. Does he ever make the right decision? All evidence so far has shown he has very poor decision-making skills. We wondered why production chose him. It’s completely apparent they chose him because he’s easy to manipulate.

[Recyclorette]

Mara, shut up already.  You've managed to annoy me more in one episode than Shanaenae did in several weeks.

And if there is an actress among these women, my vote goes to Rachel.  Ugh!

[tinkerbell]

I really wish they would show the women's names. I can't keep them straight.

[One4Sorrow2TooBad]

37 minutes ago, tinkerbell said:

I really wish they would show the women's names. I can't keep them straight.

Lol, this is what happens when the show spends so much time on one POS woman.

[Katie111]

OMG!  That was literally the most boring episode ever.  These dates are pathetic.  The two on one is literally sitting on a bench in a public park.  They used to at least force them all to eat an awkward meal together.  But they know Clayton has nothing  to say so that would be even more boring than usual.   The highlight of the date was Shanaenae riding away on the boat.  That was the only activity that looked fun the entire night. 
 

And every conversation is about someone else’s motives.  How is anyone “falling in love” when they never talk about anything?  He was trying to say something to one of the girls about hometowns and it was like he wasn’t speaking English.  He can’t even get out a full sentence.  What do any of them see in him except maybe Instagram followers? 

[Arkay]

2 hours ago, JenE4 said:

I’m from Jersey so I can say this… Mara already comes off as the mafia NJ Italian stereotype as seen on Tv and movies, so this “meet me at the clock tower” seems like a total set-up. The only thing Clayton is going to meet is a spray of bullets.

Mara does come off that way, but she’s from Puerto Rico, she’s not Italian. 

I’ve found her annoying since the beginning. To me she’s been overly aggressive all along, and completely oblivious to Clayton’s lack of interest in her.

We know production sets up the dates, but if Mara hasn’t had a date, or a rose, she should at least wonder why she hasn’t been kissed (and thigh-fondled). Clayton kisses everyone, sometimes because he doesn’t know what else to do. But from what we see, he hasn’t made one move on her. He’s not into her and she can’t accept that, so she makes excuses.

 

[chocolatine]

Clayton: "I'm so confused right now."

Me: "When are you not confused, Clayton?!?"

At least the producers finally let him get rid of Shanae. Not that I want to give her any credit, but I think she's right about Genevieve not being into Clayton. Genevieve looked disgusted when Clayton kissed her, though I can't blame her.

Hvar, Croatia, would not be my first choice of travel porn, but after multiple seasons confined to cheap resorts, it's a welcome change. The "medieval" date was terrible though. Why couldn't they do a scenic boat ride or something else pretty?

I feel like Mara has stuck around due to producer mandate, because they saw the cattiness between her and Sarah at the roast and wanted to exploit that. Clayton seemed much more attracted to Hunter, and even kissed her before sending her home. Mara is the only one he hasn't yet kissed (and never will, IMO).

Sarah may be young, but she's already Kylie-Jennered her lips and boobs. When the camera is on her, all I can do is think about what she would look like without the terrible fillers.

[Blintzie]

Would someone please explain to me why these girls wear their cardigan sweaters and coats in such a weird manner??? Their arms are through the sleeves, but the back hangs down halfway to their butts. Is this “the style” now? Is it supposed to look sexy? Because to me, it just says, “I don’t know how to put on a sweater.”

[phlebas]

2 hours ago, Blintzie said:

Would someone please explain to me why these girls wear their cardigan sweaters and coats in such a weird manner??? Their arms are through the sleeves, but the back hangs down halfway to their butts. Is this “the style” now? Is it supposed to look sexy? Because to me, it just says, “I don’t know how to put on a sweater.”

I thought it was a non-subtle way to show they aren't wearing a bra.

[Katie111]

11 hours ago, Blintzie said:

Would someone please explain to me why these girls wear their cardigan sweaters and coats in such a weird manner??? Their arms are through the sleeves, but the back hangs down halfway to their butts. Is this “the style” now? Is it supposed to look sexy? Because to me, it just says, “I don’t know how to put on a sweater.”

I was thinking the same thing.  It looks so dumb.  Think they are trying to look sexy but it’s cold out so they need something on their arms.  They just look weird, esp one of them that appears to be wearing a leather jacket, may have been  the one that got the date, not sure as I was zoning out. 

Edited February 15, 2022 by Katie111

[seacliffsal]

Mara reminds me of Bethany Frankel.

[Jax7917]

10 hours ago, Recyclorette said:

Mara, shut up already.  You've managed to annoy me more in one episode than Shanaenae did in several weeks.

And if there is an actress among these women, my vote goes to Rachel.  Ugh!

Rachel is annoying me with how often she sticks her tongue down his throat instead of having a conversation with him. He loves to make out , but I think even he is noticing how often she interrupts what he's saying to kiss him. She did this on their one-on-one date too. I'm sure he doesn't mind but girl, learn how to have a conversation.

[TheFinalRose]

The producers definitely showed Clay-en a Shanae-nay highlights reel on their ipads before he tanked his own season by giving her the two on one rose.  Because he was DONE with her when he came back, despite sticking his tongue down her throat ten minutes prior. And if I was Genevieve I would have called Clay-en an a-hole and quit the "journey" right then and there, in one of the most dramatic exits ever. I'd have been so insulted by his are you an actress? query. This guy is a textbook case of being vul-nrable to producer manipulation. Do they leave copies of Brene Brown books in the bathrooms for these contestants to goad them on?

Poor Teddy should have stayed mysterious and kept her status to herself because she just bought herself a pre-fantasy suite exit package, per the mumbles coming out of Clay-en's mouth at her news.  And the extended dance version of Sarah sobbing at the end was not necessary when she probably already had the Bachelor in Paradise contract signed and her ticket to Mexico booked.  Does CLay-en know anything about these women? He's hot for Rachel but all they do is say that they scare each other and then make out. This guy sure comes off as more than a little dim. 

 

Edited February 15, 2022 by TheFinalRose

[Alexander Pope]

13 hours ago, nittany cougar said:

My God, Mara is unbearable with the constant talk about being she's the only one there who is ready to be a wife.  She's delusional. I bet men run away from her after one date.

Mara clearly doesn't see Clayton clearly at all--he is a first class HIMBO and we all know it.  And she also never watched this show before because we all know that marriage is very often the last thing on the Bachelor's mind.  What stuck out most to me is when she recited her weird little poem as her "knight's creed" or whatever and said she could COOK AND CLEAN! Are we in the 1950s????

[EllenB]

Would the women notice if they subbed one of these for Clay-den for an episode?

Edited February 15, 2022 by EllenB

[Blintzie]

I know I shouldn't comment on someone's physical appearance, but Clay-un's underbite is so incredibly distracting to me. Not that I need to concentrate on anything the man is saying, but all I can do is stare at that underbite.

Unless they are editing out all the interesting/meaningful conversations, he can't possibly know any of these women well enough to be in love, let alone propose. All they do is tell a sob story and make out. It's really pretty gross. It reminds me of the scene in Blades of Glory where Jenna Fischer's character tells Jon Heder's character that her parents died while driving her to skating practice. Then they kiss for the first time, and she says, "Wow, I never thought of that as a romantic story before..."

[Rainsong]

When we last left our Bachelor, he was next to Horseshoe Falls. Sadly, it wasn’t to climb into a barrel. But taking Genevieve and Shanae on the same date is the stuff of real daredevils anyway. 

Gabby has memorized the wording of the 2-on-1 date card including the signature. It took a night of rehearsal for this Herculean task of recall but it may explain the bags under her eyes.

The (mandatory?) morning meeting of the Shanae Discussion Committee is in progress, with all exhibiting the kind of expression you see in a dentist’s waiting room.  ABC’s ‘Niagara Falls – Canada’ graphic is superimposed over…the falls on the American (NY) side. Remote learning hasn’t worked out too well for the video editors during the pandemic.

Clayton has once again pushed his fashion boat out – this time he’s wearing a thermal underwear Henley shirt. How about a 1-on-1 date to a Brooks Brothers store? The loveseat is a mere 20 paces away from the date couch with a hedge for privacy (?). Genevieve’s long face gets longer as she gripes about being on the 2-on-1 date. Clayton’s brows are knitted but maybe he’s just trying to recall her name given their scant interaction so far.

We’re back to job interview monotones from both. ‘If you have any questions about anything I hope you come to me. I’m at extension 429.’ How breathtakingly romantic. ‘I don’t know what Genevieve’s plan is,’ claims Shanae. Of course you do, dear. It’s the same plan you have. A few references to being vulnerable and struggling and a locking of lips.

Shanae is in a green-with-envy suede jacket and Genny in snakeskin boots. Surely it should be the other way round? The reptilian Shanae sinks the fangs in and releases the venom by telling Clayton that Genevieve wants to go home. A calculator is unnecessary to do the Shanae math:  29 years old, single for 5 years, 3 long term relationships, which mean all 3 concluded by age 24. If we designate relationship age as 18 those ‘long terms’ aren’t very long at all (2 years average).

Shanae’s sidebar-camera ‘scheming’ persona is as much of an act as her risible fakery with the Bachelor. It’s a rather obvious defense mechanism. If she pretends not to really care now she can pretend not to really care later. Oh and she wouldn’t mind a trip to Mexico where she can resume her antics and the producers will probably be happy to oblige. Shanae’s last on-camera pronouncement is a ‘like, literally.’ A fitting airheaded epitaph.

Clayton says he learned a lot.  If so, could he elaborate? Because those of us above his low signal-to-noise ratio aren’t receiving clearly. Shanae is sucking in her cheeks and exposing her cheekbones and resembles good old Glenn Close from ‘Fatal Attraction’ with obsessive, manic behavior to match.

Clayton The Incoherent must ‘step away’ again. If this is how he reacts to a dating scenario, ladies, how will he handle disputes over loading the dishwasher or daycare dropoffs?  The good catch is starting to resemble a trash fish caught in the trawler net. Or possibly even a rubber boot.

The Niagara River rapids have nothing on the whoosh of relief felt by all when Genevieve receives the rose although she reacts as if someone’s handed her the electric bill for the month. Still, you can’t keep a girl with a low neckline and an exposed midriff down. Clayton wants some of that vodka sauce even if he and we have yet to see Gen crack a smile. Punches of violin notes sound, ‘Psycho’ style. Shanae is still doing her crazy-eye routine although this time it may be involuntary.

The vigil-keeping suite-bound Bachelorettes are actually shedding tears at the removal of Shanae’s case. Or maybe they’re happy that they get rid of the plastic forks & cups now that there’s no risk of Shanae using cutlery & glasses as weapons. Fun & laughter are thin on the ground when Colorless Clayton is around so why not crack the bubbly and celebrate now?

‘That’s why I’m single,’ claims Shanae. Oh, I don’t know. I’m sure we could come with a few hundred other reasons in the next few minutes. A Shanae-less rose ceremony is, admittedly, a bit anticlimactic but had she remained there might have been a stampede to toss her off the lofty balcony. Safety first.

Clayton has managed to match his shirt and pocket square so he’s entitled to a bit of post-Shanae fun in front of the fire. Sarah has her moment and then Rachel, with lips coated in Armor All, demands several more of those moments as Clayton’s tongue pistons in and out like a moray eel in a reef.

Hunter finally gets a dip. No, not the Bachelor himself but a dip as in a dance move. Memo to Mara: Shanae’s exit doesn’t mean other people don’t irritate us. This is the second time you’ve done the obnoxious, annoying spoon feeding routine. If this is your version of flirtation, toss the manual in the fire and start over. If dozens of scripted and unscripted interruptions in the past have set our teeth on edge, we’re cheering like mad for Mara’s sloppy meal cut mercifully short by Serene. Mara regrets she isn’t back in Jersey to place a phone call to a ‘friend of ours’ and have Serene removed. Permanently.

(I checked archive footage and yes it was Mara with the spoon on the first night. Unfortunately, I also realized that Hunter was/is the snake lady. I swear my comment last week about her having scales was coincidence but the snake is a large demerit.)

It isn’t all bad. That atrium/arch thing is impressive in its design and materials although those chandeliers are hanging mighty low. The Bachelorettes and roses appear to be standing on a sort of Ouija board-style area rug. Entirely appropriate since YES, NO and GOOD BYE will be the responses and outcomes from this little ritual although we can do without any supernatural communication with the departed Shanae.

Susie has bags of confidence in the unstated evening gown competition and why not? Team Green less so – both of the women in emerald are heading home, having rolled snake eyes. Mara may be the new producer’s pet able to cry on command but her rose tonight is merely prolonging the inevitable.

Croatia is one of the most romantic places in Europe? Since when? I mean, I had a cousin who flew there to get married but I think that may have been because she married a Croat. Either that or it was cheap. Croatia does have quite the mainland coastline, to be fair and the destination island is nice. The gasps, screams and pearl-clutching aren’t very convincing. Probably because half the women couldn’t pick out Croatia on a map. Perhaps Croatia relaxed its covid policy earlier last year enabling easier entry/exit?

Any site in the Mediterranean automatically gets the mandolin music cues as the ladies squeal at the sight of yet another hotel room, flop on the beds and gawp at the shoreline. Clayton arrives to take Teddi on a date and the Bachelorettes are Balkanized quickly with Mara in a Milosevician fit of pique.

Filming schedules and travel budgets trump luurrrve connections so Clayton, Teddi et al are compelled to walk on the ancient stones in the rain under the world’s smallest umbrellas. The locals, at least, have the good sense to stay inside until better weather arrives while they mock the Yanks under their breath in the indecipherable Serbo-Croatian tongue.

Teddi’s ‘big news’ isn’t all that big. She will remain chaste until marriage. Or love. Whichever comes first. Teddy has 10 known rivals sharing her hotel room seeking the same male as she but claims – in between incessant tucking of her mane – that she feels a great amount of trust. Our definitions of trust must different greatly then. Clayton is back on autopilot with his ‘thank you’ and ‘patience’ and ‘conversation.’ Clayton stages a trust-test by walking Teddi onto a rocky beach in her Lucite stripper heels. If she makes it, she’s wife material. If she doesn’t, she’s a witch.

Mara’s clutch of decorum has slipped and she is in a gear that rhymes with witch. She’s on a group date ie no date at all and Sarah has the hole shot. Oops, better not use the word ‘shot’ around Mara right now.

Clayton thinks there’s no more drama, no more tension. In other words, he isn’t thinking at all. A rather severe-looking Croat woman instructs the women to don suits of armor and the ‘no drama, no tension’ group are a bit to eager to comply. Now everyone resembles Honi, daughter of Hagar the Horrible.

Horrible isn’t a strong enough word for the revolting food on offer in the next challenge. ‘My gag reflex is sensitive’ claims Gabby, who you may recall is a nurse and will see much worse than fish heads in her medical career. Mara’s barbarian banter proves insufficient. $100 transferred via Venmo to anyone who can translate what he says to Rachel during their impromptu meeting of the Dim Bulb Society.

Quick cuts through the others lead us to Mara, who wants to speak to the @!$%#*&! manager. Clayton is used to his cheeks being kissed, not slapped, and has the look of a petulant child as Mara lectures him, then reveals that some in the harem are not completely devoted to the sultan. It’s probably just coincidence that Sarah, recipient of tomorrow’s date, is the subject of Mara’s whispering campaign. Clayton looks rather pleased with himself for deducing her identity after having anvil-sized hints dropped in his lap.

It's Clayton’s turn for a date card and if we read our clock tower correctly it’s 2:25 AM? The anvils aren’t done dropping as competition veteran Susie, not to be outdone, drops the Big L anvil. Lunkhead Clayton is overjoyed, not least because he was worried he’d have to repeat his list of catchphrases and shapely Susie might notice the pattern. She’s got him eating svinjska jetra out of her hand.

Mara’s sour grapes have had an intoxicating effect on Clayton who blindsides Sarah with the charge of Here For The Wrong Reasons. Clayton uses engaged, hometowns etc. as he would football terminology. The Journey™ is merely a series of downs and distances.

I can’t do justice to Sarah’s less-than-eloquent response except to say it was impossible to count the number of ‘likes’ in her speech. At least someone finally has the presence of mind to use a napkin to dry her tears since tissues are verboten on the set. Clayton is more than a bit of a selfish bastard and quite obviously loves seeing the waterworks when the women experience doubt or conflict as some sort of proof of their feelings.

Of all the targets of Mara’s wrath, inoffensive Sarah seemed farthest off the radar but the atmosphere is positively Cinderellian now.
 

Edited February 17, 2022 by Rainsong

[gwen747]

18 hours ago, DEL901 said:

Oh, Mara, Mara, Mara.  Why don’t you just tell Clayton to send you home.   Just because you think you tick the boxes on some imaginary check list doesn’t mean there is going to be any chemistry.

This is exactly why you cannot use dumb checklists when it comes to your love life. I learned that lesson at 23 years old. Dated a guy who was this, that, and everything else, but he didn't know how to kiss. 

[tennisgurl]

A producer absolutely had to have told Clayton to ditch Shanae, he looked like he was all set to swallow her obvious manipulations hook line and sinker yet again, even as she was practically cackling like a supervillain while Clayton accused Genevieve of being "an actress". They must have bad for the dumb lug, knowing what a laughing stock he is going to be, or they just decided Shanae had worn out her welcome, but he was totally lapping up her bullshit until he left, then he would hardly even look at her when he got back. Ding Dong Shrimpy's Gone!

I thought it was especially hilarious when he kept parroting "Are you an actress?" both because Clayton is hilariously to manipulate, and because it sounds like he literally expected her to pull out a SAG card and admit that she was auditioning for a movie, Jed style. The girls literally popping Champaign and cheering about her leaving is absolutely the highlight of the season so far. 

Edited February 16, 2022 by tennisgurl

[Sweet-tea]

19 hours ago, Amy Beth said:

I’m sure it’s lovely, but I stand by the statement that none of those women would have answered Croatia to the most romantic place fill-in-the-blank

Yes, I was thinking Paris or Rome. The women squeal like pigs no matter what place is named though. I’ve noticed it on previous seasons. He could say Akron, OH and they’d scream. (No offense to anyone from there. It was just the first place that came to mind.)

Was it me or did Clayton get a frozen look when Teddi said she was a virgin?

The lady on Millionaire Matchmaker would tell Mara she’s giving off a masculine, aggressive energy and that’s why Clayton isn’t into her. That “I’ve been cute and flirty and whatever” speech sounded desperate. Clayton’s eyes were glazing over. 

Edited February 15, 2022 by Sweet-tea

[nlkm9]

7 hours ago, TheFinalRose said:

The producers definitely showed Clay-en a Shanae-nay highlights reel on their ipads before he tanked his own season by giving her the two on one rose.  Because he was DONE with her when he came back, despite sticking his tongue down her throat ten minutes prior. And if I was Genevieve I would have called Clay-en an a-hole and quit the "journey" right then and there, in one of the most dramatic exits ever. I'd have been so insulted by his are you an actress? query. This guy is a textbook case of being vul-nrable to producer manipulation. Do they leave copies of Brene Brown books in the bathrooms for these contestants to goad them on?

Poor Teddy should have stayed mysterious and kept her status to herself because she just bought herself a pre-fantasy suite exit package, per the mumbles coming out of Clay-en's mouth at her news.  And the extended dance version of Sarah sobbing at the end was not necessary when she probably already had the Bachelor in Paradise contract signed and her ticket to Mexico booked.  Does CLay-en know anything about these women? He's hot for Rachel but all they do is say that they scare each other and then make out. This guy sure comes off as more than a little dim. 

 

I completely agree--he was going to pick Shenae and someone took pity on him and showed him the footage. Genevieve does look completely turned off but she deserves to go to Europe for putting up with that date. word to whoever said Clayton is in his mind an ignored overweight kid. he is so impressionable, literally all you have to do is say nice things to him and boom hes in love. I am a right reasons viewer but this time I see NOTHING working out for him. No matter who he picks, any woman that tries to be with him, they will succeed because he is so dumb. its painful to watch.

and Mara, Im sure youre a nice person but Im sure she has bullied her way into relationships and noone, man or woman wants that.

[GracieK]

22 hours ago, EllenB said:

Even when it was part of Yugoslavia and a communist country, Croatia was a hot destination, and trips to the coastal area were the luxury prizes on shows like The Dating Game decades ago.

I’m part Croatian and went there on my honeymoon in 2014… it’s hands down my favorite destination in the world. Gorgeous, clean, friendly people and the food and wine is top notch. I highly recommend it to everyone!

[SallyAlbright]

That two-on-one date was absolutely mangled by the editors and it felt like we missed all the actual drama and/or interaction. When Clayton came over and asked Genevieve if she was an actress, he sounded like he was desperately trying to recite memorized dialogue, and her response was just as weird, all stilted and stiff. Did they have to re-film that or something? Then, we didn't really see anything happen with Shenae (in front of him, at least) and all of the sudden he walked over with the rose looking absolutely furious and sent her home with no explanation or extended conversation. The whole thing was really weird, even for this show. 

I don't know why no one is talking about Eliza anywhere - I find her to be almost distractingly beautiful. Why has she barely been shown? She's made it pretty far at this point and I'd rather learn more about her than Mara who reminds me of Gloria Trillo from the Sopranos.

So Marlena the Olympian was eliminated - she caused quite the stir on social media when she posted her full "roast" of the other girls and it was actually quite mean and IMO not very funny at all. I liked the snippets we saw of her on the show, but a lot of people were upset (particularly by a joke she made about Sarah) and she ended up issuing an apology. 

I don't even care how weirdly spliced the episode was, I'm just thrilled Shanae is off my TV for now. 

[deSchenke]

20 minutes ago, SallyAlbright said:

That two-on-one date was absolutely mangled by the editors and it felt like we missed all the actual drama and/or interaction. When Clayton came over and asked Genevieve if she was an actress, he sounded like he was desperately trying to recite memorized dialogue, and her response was just as weird, all stilted and stiff. Did they have to re-film that or something? Then, we didn't really see anything happen with Shenae (in front of him, at least) and all of the sudden he walked over with the rose looking absolutely furious and sent her home with no explanation or extended conversation. The whole thing was really weird, even for this show. 

I don't even care how weirdly spliced the episode was, I'm just thrilled Shanae is off my TV for now. 

Do you remember Ashley's season when she was so hot and heavy for Bentley? Then he left and she was all mopey. He returned a week or so later and said he wanted to stay - Ashley was elated. Then suddenly she was seen exiting a room stating he was an asshole, or something worse (it was beeped out), and he was sent home. I honestly think production didn't like that she fell for a guy who was totally using her, to the extent that she wasn't going to give any of the others a chance. Then they brought him back, and showed her the footage of his ITMs where he said how unattracted he was to her. She came to her senses and they had a show again!

I think they must have done something similar with Clayton. He fell for Shanae's story and asked Genevieve if she was an actress. A few minutes later and then he dismissed Shanae - seemed a bit sudden to me. I think production showed him the receipts, as they say, and he sent her packing (or off to the falls, alone).

Something didn't flow in the context of the story and I think there were some behind-the-scene manipulations going on.

[SallyAlbright]

Also found it funny how Sarah was tearful and sweet when Clayton told her that people are questioning her, and then when he walked away and she was talking to a producer, she was definitely full on angry and swearing. Then when he came back, she was all sweet and sad again. Also for being 23, she has had obvious work done on her lips and boobs. Everyone should do what makes them feel confident, but she is very young and doesn't need it IMO. 

[LBS]

1 hour ago, SallyAlbright said:

Mara who reminds me of Gloria Trillo from the Sopranos.

Thank you!!!!!!  It’s been bugging me on who she looks and acts like!

[JenE4]

1 hour ago, deSchenke said:

Do you remember Ashley's season when she was so hot and heavy for Bentley? Then he left and she was all mopey. He returned a week or so later and said he wanted to stay - Ashley was elated. Then suddenly she was seen exiting a room stating he was an asshole, or something worse (it was beeped out), and he was sent home. I honestly think production didn't like that she fell for a guy who was totally using her, to the extent that she wasn't going to give any of the others a chance. Then they brought him back, and showed her the footage of his ITMs where he said how unattracted he was to her. She came to her senses and they had a show again!

I think they must have done something similar with Clayton. He fell for Shanae's story and asked Genevieve if she was an actress. A few minutes later and then he dismissed Shanae - seemed a bit sudden to me. I think production showed him the receipts, as they say, and he sent her packing (or off to the falls, alone).

Something didn't flow in the context of the story and I think there were some behind-the-scene manipulations going on.

Yes!! That was the scene that actually made me sign up for this Bachelor board (when Primetimer was originally Television Without Pity, and with Previously TV in the middle). I had to join to point out that Ashley’s “in the moment” talking heads of THAT specific scene were obviously filmed WAY after the fact. They put her in the same outfit to film it, but her hair was longer and blonder or something, like they gave this woman a do-over to save face when they brought her into film TMTA. Did some producer finally take pity on Clayton? He did a lot of “walking away to think” this episode, which means going to talk to my producer to figure out what I should do. Where was Jesse? That’s the one thing I’d hand it to with The Bachelorette, Kaitlyn would ALWAYS rush over to talk to any lead who was having a hard time. Even Harrison was good at that, too. But someone woke Jesse up to go talk to Clayton either before the clock tower or the other late-night date, and he was just like, “okay, your date is on their way. Good night!” And that was the extent of it? Why the hell did you drag your ass out of bed if that’s all you’ve got? I guess these offscreen producers that he wanders over to talk to must tell him all kinds of things—not necessarily in his best interest. We saw Sarah hysterically sobbing to her producer while Clayton was presumably talking to his.

[Bluesky]

On 2/14/2022 at 9:03 PM, nlkm9 said:

I just can’t get past teddys huge lips which constantly seem to be in a frown, i think it’s very distracting. Mara is grating, but very pretty.

I can’t get past her chin and facial structure is the same as Clayton’s.   

[adhoc]

8 hours ago, JenE4 said:

Yes!! That was the scene that actually made me sign up for this Bachelor board (when Primetimer was originally Television Without Pity, and with Previously TV in the middle). 

Not apropos TB, but IIRC:   Mighty Big TV --> Television Without Pity --> Previously TV --> Primetimer

I don't know what the site was called when it first started as a Dawson's Creek forum. But when I joined it was Mighty Big TV. (I joined for BtVS.)  I forget now why they had to change the name to TWoP. 

Topic:  I stop in here occasionally to see what's up with TB, but it's been a few seasons since I watched the show. You guys have confirmed for me that I've missed nothing!

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[Hip-to-be-Square]

They always dress Clayton like he's going to a parent teacher conference.  I don't understand why Sarah was sobbing hysterically over Clayton- he has generic looks and his conversational skills max out at forgettable small talk while waiting in line somewhere.  

[seacliffsal]

If any of these women truly cared about Clayton they would talk to him about his clothing choices.  Zip sweats under sports jackets?  Just no.  Henleys in the middle of a beautiful city in Europe?  Just no.  I think a couple of episodes ago he even had a hoodie sweatshirt under his jacket.  Just no.

[cowgirlwen]

The biggest laugh from this episode for me was when Shanae was sailing off into the sunset on a boat, after Clayton gave her the boot.  The only boat at Niagara Falls is the "Maid of the Mist", a sightseeing tour.  You don't "sail off" to anywhere on it.  You end up right back at the dock where you bought your $28 ticket 30 minutes prior.  (I just did this tour last summer!)

Edited February 16, 2022 by cowgirlwen

[Jax7917]

40 minutes ago, Hip-to-be-Square said:

They always dress Clayton like he's going to a parent teacher conference.  I don't understand why Sarah was sobbing hysterically over Clayton- he has generic looks and his conversational skills max out at forgettable small talk while waiting in line somewhere.  

I doubt she was crying because of Clayton. She was crying because if she is kicked off the show, she can't travel for free or have her mug on tv anymore.

[barshi50]

16 hours ago, SallyAlbright said:

That two-on-one date was absolutely mangled by the editors and it felt like we missed all the actual drama and/or interaction. When Clayton came over and asked Genevieve if she was an actress, he sounded like he was desperately trying to recite memorized dialogue, and her response was just as weird, all stilted and stiff. Did they have to re-film that or something? Then, we didn't really see anything happen with Shenae (in front of him, at least) and all of the sudden he walked over with the rose looking absolutely furious and sent her home with no explanation or extended conversation. The whole thing was really weird, even for this show. 

 

Also , in the previews, Clayton was shown saying "One of you is lying to me. I need to figure out who" (or words to that effect). I don't remember hearing that on this "date" - unless I was distracted and missed it. A lot of this date must have been cut.

And what kind of date was that? A bench where the three of them sat, then Clayton took them in turn to another bench behind a hedge. Talk about cheap dates - they didn't even get the prerequisite glass of wine!

[Andromeda]

I really hate it when older contestants claim younger contestants aren't "ready for marriage." Who made her the marriage police? 23 isn't THAT young, she's not 17! I got married at 23. We're still married now, 38 years later.

Mara is turning bitter, like that "my eggs are rotting" weirdo in one of the earliest seasons. Just because you haven't found your person yet doesn't mean a 23-year-old can't. The idea that a woman gets better with age is true (hehehe) but it doesn't mean they will match better with some rando bachelor dude, one that's not all that bright or mature to begin with.

Besides that, how gullible is Clayton not to get that's where Mara is coming from? So what if Sarah said weeks ago that she couldn't see herself engaged yet. That doesn't mean she can't change her mind if/when she falls in love.

Women do feel different things at different points, as evidenced by Shanaenae saying Genevieve is an "actress" because she was so bummed out by the 2-on-1 date she briefly considered the possibility of leaving. I want to say Clayton caught onto that obvious possibility, but I think he left to talk to production and get permission to dump Shrimpy.

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[GracieK]

I feel like the two on one is always an awful set up - by design. It’s always some laughable, unpleasant makeshift seating. This time it was cheap Walmart outdoor furniture in the middle of a grassy knoll surrounded by nothing particularly nice. It’s literally supposed to be awkward and weird because that’s what the whole date is. Two people who hate each other fighting it out over a not so great prize. The comedy of it is why I’m glad it’s back in all of its trashy glory. 

[JenE4]

6 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

If any of these women truly cared about Clayton they would talk to him about his clothing choices.  Zip sweats under sports jackets?  Just no.  Henleys in the middle of a beautiful city in Europe?  Just no.  I think a couple of episodes ago he even had a hoodie sweatshirt under his jacket.  Just no.

 

6 hours ago, Hip-to-be-Square said:

They always dress Clayton like he's going to a parent teacher conference.  I don't understand why Sarah was sobbing hysterically over Clayton- he has generic looks and his conversational skills max out at forgettable small talk while waiting in line somewhere.  

Hmm, with the sweatshirts under suit jackets, I’m going with he dresses like the gym teacher on back-to-school night or perhaps when the gym teacher has a big meeting with the school district superintendent.