S11.E16: Threats and Promises

[Straycat80]

Um, Kyle, Sutton did not threaten Erika. The thug threatened to Sue Sutton and almost bit  her face off. 

[Keywestclubkid]

It’s not just hanging out crystal.. it’s a job you guys wouldn’t hang out if you weren’t working together… stop this bullshit 

[WaltersHair]

2 minutes ago, FlyingEgret said:

NY Times? Why would she be reading that as I doubt her Instagram photos are published there...

Isn't Page 6 published by the New York Post? I'd say Page 6, not NYT.

[bosawks]

Crystal has a “real world” point and Kyle has a “HoWife” point.

Let’s see who wins….

[Julyolo]

We're all grown-ups here, right? I don't get Erika's big hang-up about being called a liar. I think everybody lies sometimes, and the one that says they NEVER lie has just told biggest lie of all.

Edited September 9, 2021 by Julyolo
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[sistermagpie]

So weird. Or not, the way that every time Garcelle says something direct it gets changed into something not direct. Like Kyle pretending that Garcelle pointing out that she's being a hypocrite about saying things right away to your face means that Garcelle is mad at Kyle. She's just making an observation, Kyle, she's not trying to restart the fight.

Good lord, looks like even more details added to the car crash story next week!

[eleanorofaquitaine]

Sutton is actually handling this better than I would because if the expectation was that I would have to apologize to someone who is accused of the things that Erika is accused of, my head would explode for real. 

[Cupcake04]

And Crystal sitting there taking it all in and running it back to Erika in 3-2-1....

[RealHousewife]

Just now, Julyolo said:

We're all grown-ups here, right? I don't get Erika's big hang-up about being called a liar. I think everybody lies sometimes, and the one that say they NEVER lie has just told biggest lie of all.

100%! They're always the ones who are full of shit, lie at work, cheat on their spouses, *cough* steal from widows and orphans. 

[truthaboutluv]

Just now, bosawks said:

Crystal has a “real world” point and Kyle has a “HoWife” point.

Let’s see who wins….

This. And that is when I get torn on Crystal because I liked her reasoning on this - that just let this shit go and let Erika and Sutton be. They're not friends, they're both pissed at each other and just let it be. But someone forgot to give Crystal the memo that Kyle's role on this show is to be the shit stirrer, much like Rinna while trying to seem like it's not what she's doing. 

[Cupcake04]

hahahaha now he had eye surgery and rolled his car 5x???  LOL

[sistermagpie]

1 minute ago, Julyolo said:

We're all grown-ups here, right? I don't get Erika's big hang-up about being called a liar. I think everybody lies sometimes, and the one that say they NEVER lie has just told biggest lie of all.

It's a deflection. She makes it about her honor being unfairly soiled so she doesn't have to talk about her story. It's not like Sutton's point was to pin a scarlet L on her chest. She just pointed out that Erika's story changes.

[JonnieUniteUs]

5 minutes ago, Julyolo said:

We're all grown-ups here, right? I don't get Erika's big hang-up about being called a liar. I think everybody lies sometimes, and the one that says they NEVER lie has just told biggest lie of all.

Like TEDDI.

[RealHousewife]

Just now, JonnieUniteUs said:

Like TEDDI.

[Andi27]

7 minutes ago, Cupcake04 said:

hahahaha now he had eye surgery and rolled his car 5x???  LOL

Yeah, is this a new event, with someone breaking into Tom's house, him confronting this person then as a result needing eye surgery? And I think it was Erika's son who rolled his car?

If these things happened, they would have been in the press at the time. Anyone aware?

 

Edited September 9, 2021 by Andi27

[Straycat80]

8 minutes ago, chick binewski said:

I appreciate Garcelle turning the tables on Kyle but I wish she'd be more defensive of Sutton. Erika was a freaking animal and Kyle can take a big bite with her "be honest!". 

With Garcelle, I always go back to season one where she was at lunch with a large group of ladies that she referred to as her real friends who were supportive and always there for her. I really don’t believe Garcelle is friends with any of the HW’s, it’s just for the show. 

[mothmonsterman]

It must be the end of the world, because PK was spitting facts and I feel he is an interesting, smart, and very astute man who can tell a great story. I am seeing what Dorit sees in him.

Also, I wanted to actually hear the story Dorit was about to tell about her and PK meeting and dating, I was annoyed when they cut her off.

Okay, I'm gonna go wait for the comet that must be crashing toward earth.

[Keywestclubkid]

1 minute ago, Straycat80 said:

With Garcelle, I always go back to season one where she was at lunch with a large group of ladies that she referred to as her real friends who were supportive and always there for her. I really don’t believe Garcelle is friends with any of the HW’s, it’s just for the show. 

They are paid to hang out. if they weren’t all on this show they wouldn’t speak …

[FlyingEgret]

2 minutes ago, Andi27 said:

Yeah, is this a new event, with someone breaking into Tom's house, him confronting this person then as a result needing eye surgery? And I think it was Erika's son who rolled his car?

If these things happened, they would have been in the  at the time. Anyone aware?

 

Oh I just assumed this was in re Tom's drive off the cliff with subsequent head injury crash. If it was Erika's son they really need to install a guard rail along that dangerous switchback road.  Allegedly...

[RealHousewife]

1 minute ago, mothmonsterman said:

It must be the end of the world, because PK was spitting facts and I feel he is an interesting, smart, and very astute man who can tell a great story. I am seeing what Dorit sees in him.

Also, I wanted to actually hear the story Dorit was about to tell about her and PK meeting and dating, I was annoyed when they cut her off.

Okay, I'm gonna go wait for the comet that must be crashing toward earth.

lol! If I hadn't heard of their shadiness and Dorit weren't rude toward Garcelle, I'd actually really enjoy them. Dorit is gorgeous and has led an interesting life. PK seems like he is a nice, fun guy IRL and has a charming accent. Plus their kids are the absolute cutest. 

[mothmonsterman]

3 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

lol! If I hadn't heard of their shadiness and Dorit weren't rude toward Garcelle, I'd actually really enjoy them. Dorit is gorgeous and has led an interesting life. PK seems like he is a nice, fun guy IRL and has a charming accent. Plus their kids are the absolute cutest. 

Isn't it strange? Kyle raised girls who have a strong, quiet confidence, while she herself is weak, loud, and self doubting.

Dorit raised sweet, authentic and true to self children, while Dorit is a phony with no sense of self. 

Sometimes that apple falls far from the tree.

10 minutes ago, Andi27 said:

Yeah, is this a new event, with someone breaking into Tom's house, him confronting this person then as a result needing eye surgery? And I think it was Erika's son who rolled his car?

If these things happened, they would have been in the press at the time. Anyone aware?

 

Damn, don't go to Erika's house, your car will just automatically roll over--it's just what they do there. 

Edited September 9, 2021 by mothmonsterman

[sistermagpie]

So when Erika was threatening Sutton with suing and said it was other people who were going to do it because she was talking about their health...was she saying that Tom was going to do it? Like was this hinting at the return of Tom the shark lawyer who knows exactly what he's doing and crushes ordinary people like bugs if they get in his way? What was she implying? I was really wishing Sutton would ask for details. Really, it seems like the best thing anybody can do for her at all times is make her run her mouth with details. That's how we got the info about Tom calling her every day.

[JonnieUniteUs]

24 minutes ago, Andi27 said:

Yeah, is this a new event, with someone breaking into Tom's house, him confronting this person then as a result needing eye surgery? And I think it was Erika's son who rolled his car?

If these things happened, they would have been in the press at the time. Anyone aware?

 

See what happened was, Tom had gone to Bard Optical for an exam which determined there was a large plank in his eye which needed to be removed. After his exam, Tom, being a fan of Bluegrass music, was on the way to the Switchback concert when he saw a gang of ninja burglars entering a nursery in a hospital wing he had helped to build.  He John Wicked all of them, and then donated his front row seats to a hard-working nurse.

On his way home, he stopped at Starbucks drive-through, and paid for the next 100 customers behind him to have Cinnamon Roll Frappuccinos, then tipped the barista generously.

Hopefully Erika will share more details on this on next Wednesday’s episode.

Edited September 9, 2021 by JonnieUniteUs

[janiema]

I’m not sure why Erika thought Sutton could be surd for talking about Tom’s health.

1. Tom’s legal team publicized all the information and

2. HIPPA applies to healthcare workers, not private people like Sutton.

[65mickey]

I wish Sutton had said to Erika you are the one discussing Tom's health. You brought up the dementia and his injuries from the accident not I. What has Sutton said about Tom's health other than she doesn't buy Erika's account's of the accident? I hardly think Erika or Tom are in any position to sue anyone at this point. 

[bencr]

If everyone on these Real Housewives show threatened to sue when they felt (or pretend to feel) maligned there will be no show. By threatening Sutton, Erika shut her up, and in the process the show lost the strongest voice calling out Erika on her bullshit. I think Erika should be fired for resorting to threats.

This whole show is predicated on these women being able to say what they think.

Edited September 9, 2021 by bencr

[funnygirl]

Fuck off, Erika.

If Tre on RHONJ had to do jail time, The Ugly Mess better be sentenced to do the Cellblock Tango, too.

Edited September 9, 2021 by funnygirl

[Ms Blue Jay]

1 second into this episode and I am already LOSING MY MIND

[WaltersHair]

Poor Patrick the butler is like "But the souffle, Who will save the poor souffle?!"

[chick binewski]

21 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

So when Erika was threatening Sutton with suing and said it was other people who were going to do it because she was talking about their health...was she saying that Tom was going to do it? Like was this hinting at the return of Tom the shark lawyer who knows exactly what he's doing and crushes ordinary people like bugs if they get in his way? What was she implying? I was really wishing Sutton would ask for details. Really, it seems like the best thing anybody can do for her at all times is make her run her mouth with details. That's how we got the info about Tom calling her every day.

That was weird, right?

Also, this is why we need LVP & Camille back on the show, This crap wouldn't fly if the season 1 cast was around. Questions would be asked.

ETA: The HWs cannot sue each other so is that why Erika had the presence of mind and forethought to imply that Tom would be suing Sutton?

Edited September 9, 2021 by chick binewski

[eleanorofaquitaine]

I had a narcissistic boss who threatened to sue people when they talked publicly about how bad she was. That's all Erika was basically doing, too. There was no rhyme or reason to her threat to sue, it just made her feel better. 

[mothmonsterman]

7 minutes ago, funnygirl said:

Fuck off, Erika.

If Tre on RHONJ had to do jail time, The Ugly Mess better be sentenced to do the Cellblock Tango, too.

Yep, and Teresa didn't think she was going to jail at first either. I feel like Erika is going to be on the wrong side of some locking doors soon enough.

The IRS don't care, if you sign those tax return forms, you are on the hook. Period.

Edited September 9, 2021 by mothmonsterman

[Thumper]

55 minutes ago, Cupcake04 said:

WTF Crystal is dressed like she is going to take shorthand at the office.

Do you mean Dorit in the blazer and bow blouse?  (And leather pants.  lol).   I don’t think Chrystal is at this Haitian dinner, is she?

Never mind — now I see her!  

 

Edited September 9, 2021 by Thumper

[pieinmyeye]

On WWHL something was said about Erika’s son. Nothing specific was said, but I got the impression that he may be trouble. Does anyone have a condensed version of this story?

[Ms Blue Jay]

Crystal what the fuck how could you???????????????????????  How could you become one of the worst and let Sutton become one of the best????????

[RealHousewife]

5 minutes ago, pieinmyeye said:

On WWHL something was said about Erika’s son. Nothing specific was said, but I got the impression that he may be trouble. Does anyone have a condensed version of this story?

I don't think he's in trouble. Andy (like me) wondered if Erika's meltdown and "you don't know what I go through at night" could have been about more than her son. Eileen said she wondered that too after everything we've found out since. 

Camille rated Kyle's style same as I would-a 7.

Edited September 9, 2021 by RealHousewife

[Talented Tenth]

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks when it comes to Erika being complicit or not.  There is absolutely no proof and she is not charged with anything.  If someone is prepared to call her a liar to her face, then be prepared for her to clap back.  Was Erika supposed to let Sutton attack her character and just sit there?

[sistermagpie]

1 minute ago, Talented Tenth said:

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks when it comes to Erika being complicit or not.  There is absolutely no proof and she is not charged with anything.  If someone is prepared to call her a liar to her face, then be prepared for her to clap back.  Was Erika supposed to let Sutton attack her character and just sit there?

Sutton didn't attack her character, she admitted that Erika's stories didn't add up. Rather than clearing anything up, Erika pretended that her character had been attacked. 

You're creating a false binary, suggesting that either Erika is proved to have been knowingly complicit in everything or else she's a good person and nobody can question anything and that's obviously just not true. Sutton's not arresting Erika, she's just a person not giving Erika the reaction she wants. Why would the "be prepared for her to clap back" only apply to Sutton and not Erika herself? She tells inconsistent stories and, as PK of all people pointed out, makes it clear she doesn't care about the victims even if she's flaunting money that should be theirs and she's on a TV where she puts herself out there for people to react to her. Sutton's not backing down.

[Keywestclubkid]

4 minutes ago, Talented Tenth said:

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks when it comes to Erika being complicit or not.  There is absolutely no proof and she is not charged with anything.  If someone is prepared to call her a liar to her face, then be prepared for her to clap back.  Was Erika supposed to let Sutton attack her character and just sit there?

posting the shit she does on Instagram while giving a big middle finger to people who will never see the money they were entitled to she pretty much attacks her own character.. Erika can kick fucking rocks 

[Axie]

Why was Dorito dressed as Judy Jetson on date night?  

[Dutchgirl]

Erika is truly dumber than a bag of hammers.

lol Sooo she's going to sue Sutton (and everyone else at that table...and all of us watching) for thinking she and Tom are lying. Mhm. And pray tell Miss Zero Fuck's, who would ever want you as a client? We'll wait...

Some tacky grifter who stole from ORPHANS to buy hair extensions and hideous latex jumpsuits threatens to sue you and you leave crying??  No girl, no. Nev-ver yield the floor to an asshole.

[Marley]

Erika just proves more and more that she is exactly the type of horrible human being that would steal from widows and orphans.

[chick binewski]

5 minutes ago, Talented Tenth said:

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks when it comes to Erika being complicit or not.  There is absolutely no proof and she is not charged with anything.  If someone is prepared to call her a liar to her face, then be prepared for her to clap back.  Was Erika supposed to let Sutton attack her character and just sit there?

Tom and by extension Erika have squandered millions - Erika's "music" career is one large tab charged to the GK law firm. Perhaps Erika didn't know everything, but a federal judge has ruled the victims can collect directly from Erika. Erika is not handing over anything and has fought every effort to aid the victims. She's spent five seasons rolling around in cash, told different stories this year that not only contradicted each other but were a 180 from how she presented Tom through the years. Now she decides to bear her teeth when someone challenges her? Sorry, she doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

 

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, Cupcake04 said:

Why Rinna acting like she wasn’t even there.  You were sitting at the table when all this shit went down!  What the hell?

LOVE Garcelle calling her out on it!

 

Not just sitting at the table....sitting NEXT to Sutton, who was sitting next to Erika.  In fact, she could probably feel Erika's breath when she was threatening Sutton, if not some spittle coming out of that sneering mouth.

[rlc]

Rinna is so far up Erika’s ass that she’s coming out Mikey’s mouth.

[Shannah Banana]

I don't think Kyle is a good friend to Sutton at all.  She uses Sutton to do her dirty work while pretending to be her friend. 

Erika could have a bright future in the adult porn film industry.  She has all the makings to be the big star she wants to be in that field. 

[Talented Tenth]

2 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

Sutton didn't attack her character, she admitted that Erika's stories didn't add up. Rather than clearing anything up, Erika pretended that her character had been attacked. 

You're creating a false binary, suggesting that either Erika is proved to have been knowingly complicit in everything or else she's a good person and nobody can question anything and that's obviously just not true. Sutton's not arresting Erika, she's just a person not giving Erika the reaction she wants. Why would the "be prepared for her to clap back" only apply to Sutton and not Erika herself? She tells inconsistent stories and, as PK of all people pointed out, makes it clear she doesn't care about the victims even if she's flaunting money that should be theirs and she's on a TV where she puts herself out there for people to react to her. Sutton's not backing down.

Who TF is Sutton to be questioning Erika?  Sutton is not a trial lawyer and Erika isn't on the stand.  Erika is a co-worker/"friend" and Tom's embezzlement has absolutely nothing to do with Sutton "Fragility" Stracke.  If you insinuated one of your co-workers/friends was lying and/or complicit if their husband was charged with fraud at an unrelated job, you'd probably get cursed out too. Sutton is a flip flopper because she was saying one thing to Kyle one on one before Kathy's dinner but then at the dinner said she was going to support Erika.  Sutton is getting a pass for being two-faced because a lot of people are on the Erika hate train, but that is shitty, duplicitous behavior.  

Erika hasn't done anything to these women.  I understand asking questions or being suspicious but it's crazy for anybody to think that someone should be able to accuse her to her face of being a liar and she's just supposed to take it.  It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or believes because the truth is that they don't know what she knew.  I think Sutton saw the fan reaction as things were coming out and decided to make her mark (work hard for a diamond) by going after Erika . I can't stand her.

[Jack Terrier]

54 minutes ago, mothmonsterman said:

 

Damn, don't go to Erika's house, your car will just automatically roll over--it's just what they do there. 
 

Allegedly 😉

 

[Pondlass1]

Wow! PK! 👋🏻  Just goes to show that you never really know someone.

[njbchlover]

2 hours ago, Mr. Miner said:

Yeah, she was blackout drunk after two drinks.

Well, she doesn't ever eat anything, so I could understand if Rinna got drunk on two drinks, but not to the point of completely blanking out on everything that happened.  Especially when the cameras showed her paying serious attention to the whole fiasco.

Edited September 9, 2021 by njbchlover