S11.E03: A Duggar Bachelor Pad

[Tikichick]

16 hours ago, GladysCravits said:

I watched  this show from the beginning, but stopped watching a while ago.  When I turned it on recently, I was surprised to see Jim Bob front and center again.  When did that happen and why?  I thought no one really wanted to see him after his disgraceful handling of the molestation of his daughters.   How did he weasel his greedy self in again and why did the kids tolerate it?  You know he’s getting the largest share of the money.  What a horrid man. 

IMO he likely is in control of the money. Period.

[mimionthebeach]

19 hours ago, Temperance said:

The no swimming thing is mind-boggling to me. I know that some people can't afford to take swimming lessons or have access to water, but these people have been rich for a long time. There was plenty of time to teach their kids after they started on the show.

Quiverful Barbie couldn't be arsed to manage the logistics of getting multiple kids to multiple swim classes. Parenting is hard.

[Sew Sumi]

1 hour ago, mimionthebeach said:

Quiverful Barbie couldn't be arsed to manage the logistics of getting multiple kids to multiple swim classes. Parenting is hard.

That was their excuse for not getting the kids involved in organized sports. But with swimming, if they were all beginners, couldn't they have been taught together in one group lesson? Not that big of an effort, but still too much for Meech, apparently.

[Westiepeach]

19 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

but still too much for Meech, apparently.

Meech checked out of parenting long, long ago...

[crazy8s]

29 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

That was their excuse for not getting the kids involved in organized sports. But with swimming, if they were all beginners, couldn't they have been taught together in one group lesson? Not that big of an effort, but still too much for Meech, apparently.

couldn't they all have just watched someone swim and been expert swimmers in few hours. that seems their approach to learning or claiming they have learned many other things.

 

[MrsKravitz]

14 hours ago, MunichNark said:

It’s not just swimming. Joy doesn’t know what “x” stands for when reading out a challenge..as in multiply

When did it “x” change to “*”? When I taught elementary school math (early 2000s), it was 2*3=6.  Joy should still have come across an “x” at some point. 

Edited July 30, 2020 by MrsKravitz
left out a few words

[Kellyee]

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When did it “x” change to “*”? When I taught elementary school math (early 2000s), it was 2*3=6.  Joy should still have come across an “x” at some point. 

Were the younger kids taught mostly by the older kids? That may be part of the problem. 19 kids at different grade levels all needing to learn at the same time. I'm not sure you can really do that well or efficiently. I have a friend who homeschools her 3 kids, and they still take some language and other classes outside the home to round out their education. I'm thinking most of the kids in the middle of the Duggar pack rarely got individual attention from Michelle. That would have included Joy Anna. If Michelle even knows what x means herself. I would love to see her take a basic knowledge test. 

Do we know if Joy's husband was homeschooled? 

 

 

 

 

[Quof]

Wait a minute.  * means multiply now????? 

I need to lie down.

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, Quof said:

Wait a minute.  * means multiply now????? 

I need to lie down.

I Googled it. Can you move over so I can lay next to you?

Arithmetic. the symbol (⋅), (×), or (∗) between two mathematical expressions, denoting multiplication of the second expression by the first. In certain algebraic notations the sign is suppressed and multiplication is indicated by immediate juxtaposition or contiguity...

[Churchhoney]

On 7/28/2020 at 9:21 PM, Temperance said:

The no swimming thing is mind-boggling to me. I know that some people can't afford to take swimming lessons or have access to water, but these people have been rich for a long time.

I don't know what the swimming lessons cost at the YMCA when I was a kid. But I know that my not-rich and also super-cheap family sent me there for an 8-group-lessons-for-people-age-12-and-up thing. Those lessons couldn't have been expensive. But the instructor was good and seemed to do a good job making sure that everybody was learning. Group lessons at a Y wouldn't have been expensive in Northwest Arkansas, either.

We never even went near the water the rest of the time so we needed the lessons less than the Duggars. My family just had an abundance of worry about stuff and thought everybody needed to learn how to swim in case a lake chased you down the street and swallowed you. In the case of swimming, spending whatever modest amount of money that required was a darned good idea. But of course that pretty much explains why JB and M didn't do it. 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Churchhoney

[ozziemom]

Perhaps their ridiculous modesty rules, ie swimming in long pants for boys and long skirts for girls, kept them away from swim lessons at the Y. IIRC Meeechelle also stated it was too difficult to round everyone up for any activity outside the house. Probably due to Duggar Time.

[Churchhoney]

18 minutes ago, ozziemom said:

Perhaps their ridiculous modesty rules, ie swimming in long pants for boys and long skirts for girls, kept them away from swim lessons at the Y. IIRC Meeechelle also stated it was too difficult to round everyone up for any activity outside the house. Probably due to Duggar Time.

Good point. I wonder whether any place -- or even any individual instructor -- would teach beginning swimmers who were wearing anything but a bathing suit (or something very similar).....They almost certainly wouldn't, I expect...... Especially since the Duggar weren't even wearing stretchy fabrics....>Male and female, they were all dressed in something either stiff and kinda baggy or voluminous....and everybody had sleeves. 

I do doubt that JB and M even thought about asking, however!

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Churchhoney

[Tikichick]

4 hours ago, ozziemom said:

Perhaps their ridiculous modesty rules, ie swimming in long pants for boys and long skirts for girls, kept them away from swim lessons at the Y. IIRC Meeechelle also stated it was too difficult to round everyone up for any activity outside the house. Probably due to Duggar Time.

The translation of the term for those who've never resided in the TTH or can't lay claim to being an alum of that prestigious SOTDRT is laziness. 

[Churchhoney]

49 minutes ago, Tikichick said:

The translation of the term for those who've never resided in the TTH or can't lay claim to being an alum of that prestigious SOTDRT is laziness. 

That's it all right. It's probably one of the few majors available at SOTDRT: The Academy. 

Although I might modify it slightly to 'Laziness with a hint of "total lack of concern about potentially inconveniencing anyone else or avoiding responsibilities."' 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Churchhoney

[Barb23]

I'm not sure if the corn maze was in this episode or not but I'm talking about it here anyway.

I can't believe how fast all the groups including ones with the pregnant ladies* were going through the maze. I have done many a corn maze in my time as this used to be Son of Barb's choice to celebrate his October birthday.  The paths are cut out to follow but there are still plenty of loose stalks, pieces of corn and other corn remnants on the ground. All very easy to slip on or trip on and take a tumble.  IIRC, there were also plenty of muddy spots to slip on and go down as well.  Not good for any one yet alone a pregnant lady.  ETA: Think some of them had flip flops on too. Definitely not corn maze footwear. 

* I'm confused with the the timeline as usual.  Were Anna, Kendra and Lauren the pregnant ones? I thought Joy was as well but that doesn't figure out time wise or does it? I think Jessa (or whoever was carrying Ivy) was being unsafe as well if they were going at a good speed.

I'm sure they were the only family in the maze as well. There is no way the management would let people race through as fast as the Dugg groups did. 

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Barb23

[Turquoise]

11 hours ago, MrsKravitz said:

When did it “x” change to “*”? When I taught elementary school math (early 2000s), it was 2*3=6.  Joy should still have come across an “x” at some point. 

I don't know if this is an exact "when", but back in my middle school days (mid 80s), you started using * to denote multiplication in algebra. The reason was so you didn't mix up the multiplication x with the x in 3x*4y, etc.

[Enya Face]

5 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

My family just had an abundance of worry about stuff and thought everybody needed to learn how to swim in case a lake chased you down the street and swallowed you. In the case of swimming, spending whatever modest amount of money that required was a darned good idea. But of course that pretty much explains why JB and M didn't do it. 

@Churchhoney, I just about died right now! I’m cackling like a lunatic. Ohhhhh, thank you for that! Bwhahahaha 🤣

[Temperance]

8 hours ago, Kellyee said:

Were the younger kids taught mostly by the older kids? That may be part of the problem. 19 kids at different grade levels all needing to learn at the same time. I'm not sure you can really do that well or efficiently. I have a friend who homeschools her 3 kids, and they still take some language and other classes outside the home to round out their education. I'm thinking most of the kids in the middle of the Duggar pack rarely got individual attention from Michelle. That would have included Joy Anna. If Michelle even knows what x means herself. I would love to see her take a basic knowledge test. 

Do we know if Joy's husband was homeschooled? 

Yes Joy's husband was homeschooled. His parents are/were officially apart of IBLP, the same cult as the Duggars. 

Joy did know how to multiply, meaning she came up with the correct answer.  In my experience, it takes longer than a few minutes to learn how to swim. And swimming is usually a more critical skill than multiplication. There may be a point where you would need to swim to survive (floods, hurricanes,  someone else needing assistance in a pool/lake, etc.) It is less likely that your immediate survival is threatened by lack of multiplication skills. 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Temperance

[realityfan26]

12 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I Googled it. Can you move over so I can lay next to you?

Arithmetic. the symbol (⋅), (×), or (∗) between two mathematical expressions, denoting multiplication of the second expression by the first. In certain algebraic notations the sign is suppressed and multiplication is indicated by immediate juxtaposition or contiguity...

I started noticing it when you using Excel on the computer.  It's part of the keypad on my computer. 

[zenme]

13 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Good point. I wonder whether any place -- or even any individual instructor -- would teach beginning swimmers who were wearing anything but a bathing suit (or something very similar).....They almost certainly wouldn't, I expect...... Especially since the Duggar weren't even wearing stretchy fabrics....>Male and female, they were all dressed in something either stiff and kinda baggy or voluminous....and everybody had sleeves. 

I do doubt that JB and M even thought about asking, however!

 

I also thought they wouldn’t want their kids in the stupid swim outfits they wear, but then I thought they probably didn’t want the Dugglets seeing OTHERS in swimsuits, bikinis, etc. They  can’t learn much if they’re eyes are constantly facing their toes. (Nike!)
Also, Josh really fucked it up for all those kids. Perv.

Edited July 31, 2020 by zenme

[Tikichick]

20 hours ago, Temperance said:

Yes Joy's husband was homeschooled. His parents are/were officially apart of IBLP, the same cult as the Duggars. 

Joy did know how to multiply, meaning she came up with the correct answer.  In my experience, it takes longer than a few minutes to learn how to swim. And swimming is usually a more critical skill than multiplication. There may be a point where you would need to swim to survive (floods, hurricanes,  someone else needing assistance in a pool/lake, etc.) It is less likely that your immediate survival is threatened by lack of multiplication skills. 

The Duggars are blessed with the special gift of being able to watch an expert and via osmosis or possibly divine inspiration or something be able to replicate the skill.   It's just a darned shame Olympic swimmers wear such defrauding swimwear.

Edited July 31, 2020 by Tikichick

[jumper sage]

How are these boys allowed to cohabitate together?  The whole episode was such a farce.  We have no chairs.  OH PLEASE!

[doodlebug]

2 hours ago, jumper sage said:

How are these boys allowed to cohabitate together?  The whole episode was such a farce.  We have no chairs.  OH PLEASE!

Many, if not most, of us here think it is just for the show.  They needed a storyline.  Jed! is also currently running for office in the district where the house, which is in his name, is located.  We suspect that the home purchase was to further his political ambitions and that they don't really live there at all.  They certainly seem to take all their meals at the TTH.

[Sew Sumi]

3 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

Many, if not most, of us here think it is just for the show.  They needed a storyline.  Jed! is also currently running for office in the district where the house, which is in his name, is located.  We suspect that the home purchase was to further his political ambitions and that they don't really live there at all.  They certainly seem to take all their meals at the TTH.

Jed! doesn't own the house. It's in a non-Duggar's name. That makes it easier for him to move back home after he loses. 😁

[DangerousMinds]

[Jynnan tonnix]

3 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Bert and Ernie are cuter. And more fun.

[BetyBee]

10 hours ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

Bert and Ernie are cuter. And more fun.

And they wear pajamas to bed. Duggars do things differently.

[Temperance]

10 hours ago, BetyBee said:

And they wear pajamas to bed. Duggars do things differently.

Duggars wear pajamas. I remember they said they had a deal with TLC where TLC wouldn't film the kids in their pajamas for privacy reasons. 

[doodlebug]

2 hours ago, Temperance said:

Duggars wear pajamas. I remember they said they had a deal with TLC where TLC wouldn't film the kids in their pajamas for privacy reasons. 

But, as we all know, the Duggars lie like rugs.  When the story of the molestations came out, we discovered that, as part of JB and M's efforts to prevent another assault on their daughters; the girls were forbidden from wearing nightgowns in order to make their lady parts less accessible if Josh tried to attack them in their sleep again.  We know the girls would never have worn pajamas with pants, even prior to the molestation.  The no pajamas rule was in addition to putting all the girls in the same bedroom, often sharing beds as well as locking the door to their room at night to keep the sex pest out.

We also know the Duggars have no daily schedule or routine and the kids don't have a bedtime, so the little ones often fell asleep in their clothes.  

As far as not showing the kids in their pj's as some sort of modesty rule, well, JB and M were never going to admit they are too lazy to get their youngest kids ready for bed nor that their daughters needed to keep layers of clothing between themselves and their pervy brother even when sleeping.

Edited August 13, 2020 by doodlebug

[Zella]

When did the Duggars claim they didn't show jammies as a privacy policy? That almost sounds like something defensive they'd say after the molestation scandal because I remember what Doodlebug was saying about them saying they didn't have night clothes.

Maybe I'd buy it more if the reasoning wasn't about privacy. I mean, I don't think they really give a shit about any of their kids' privacy. Otherwise, they wouldn't have camera crews filming them having seizures and giving birth, etc. 

[Temperance]

3 minutes ago, Zella said:

When did the Duggars claim they didn't show jammies as a privacy policy? That almost sounds like something defensive they'd say after the molestation scandal because I remember what Doodlebug was saying about them saying they didn't have night clothes.

Maybe I'd buy it more if the reasoning wasn't about privacy. I mean, I don't think they really give a shit about any of their kids' privacy. Otherwise, they wouldn't have camera crews filming them having seizures and giving birth, etc. 

It was in the old 19K&C days. 

[fonfereksglen]

7 minutes ago, Temperance said:

It was in the old 19K&C days. 

I was still randomly watching,  and I don't remember this.  It was pretty obvious, after the fact, that after Josh and his touching, all bedroom attire was day wear.  

[doodlebug]

1 minute ago, fonfereksglen said:

I was still randomly watching,  and I don't remember this.  It was pretty obvious, after the fact, that after Josh and his touching, all bedroom attire was day wear.  

 That's what I remember, too, I watched fairly regularly back then and I don't recall any mention of modesty/privacy in regards to not wearing pajamas.  If you know which episode it was, Temperance, I'd like to see it.  In any event, I still think they probably lied about it anyway since we know how many other details of their family life they lied about over the years.  Not wearing pajamas to bed is nothing in comparison to the other whoppers they've told.

[Sew Sumi]

The Duggars couldn't have said that on the show. That would have broken the fourth wall. If it was said,  it would have to have been in an interview. 

But no, I do not ever recall them saying they didn't film in pajamas for privacy concerns.

Edited August 13, 2020 by Sew Sumi

[JoanArc]

I’m not sure they would understand what a privacy concern actually is in the first place.

[Sew Sumi]

7 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

I’m not sure they would understand what a privacy concern actually is in the first place.

ZING!!!!!

[Churchhoney]

32 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

The Duggars couldn't have said that on the show. That would have broken the fourth wall. If it was said,  it would have to have been in an interview. 

But no, I do not ever recall them saying they didn't film in pajamas for privacy concerns.

I've only watched a few snippets of the show that add up to less than an hour total, I think, and I've never really read anything about it except political and religious stuff. But I know I've heard about the pajamas being not worn because filming pajamas would violate the kids' modesty.  (which strikes me as what somebody else might call privacy concerns) So, that must have been said around here -- and more than once, I'm pretty sure.....Seems to me the 'violate their modesty" if pajamas are filmed argument seems at least to have been a rumor on this forum. Maybe some Duggar said it in an interview somewhere rather than in a talking head on the show? 

Seems likely they would have been asked about the sleeping-in-street-clothes thing. It's, um, a pretty striking fact, seems to me. 

And we know they would have made up some phony explanation.....And there aren't many explanations that you could imagine making even the tiniest bit of sense.....

 

Edited August 13, 2020 by Churchhoney

[Zella]

I find their views on pajamas just fucking weird in general. Granted, I basically live in pajamas except for when society forces me to leave my house, so maybe I'm a little biased. But still. 

[Sew Sumi]

It had to be an interview as opposed to being show content. It's only been in the last couple of seasons of CO that you could actually hear the producers asking the talking head questions.

Edited August 13, 2020 by Sew Sumi

[Churchhoney]

3 minutes ago, Zella said:

I find their views on pajamas just fucking weird in general. Granted, I basically live in pajamas except for when society forces me to leave my house, so maybe I'm a little biased. But still. 

You have a lot of company in your anti-Duggar view of pajamas. 

I live on a high floor and can see many balconies and patios from my windows. In 2020, I've noticed that the vast majority of my neighbors now wear no shoes or socks, ever, and wear pajamas, nightgowns and nightwear-type clothing in their outdoor spaces at all hours and on every day of the week. I conclude that indoors a lot of people must now just walk around naked all the time. 

[Zella]

8 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

I conclude that indoors a lot of people must now just walk around naked all the time. 

In theory, I have no problem with this, but in reality, I don't want anyone's ass matter on furniture. 😆

[fonfereksglen]

20 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

I've only watched a few snippets of the show that add up to less than an hour total, I think, and I've never really read anything about it except political and religious stuff. But I know I've heard about the pajamas being not worn because filming pajamas would violate the kids' modesty.  (which strikes me as what somebody else might call privacy concerns) So, that must have been said around here -- and more than once, I'm pretty sure.....Seems to me the 'violate their modesty" if pajamas are filmed argument seems at least to have been a rumor on this forum. Maybe some Duggar said it in an interview somewhere rather than in a talking head on the show? 

Seems likely they would have been asked about the sleeping-in-street-clothes thing. It's, um, a pretty striking fact, seems to me. 

And we know they would have made up some phony explanation.....And there aren't many explanations that you could imagine making even the tiniest bit of sense.....

 

I lean toward after the fact jibberish.   Because they have always needed the TLC income.  

[GeeGolly]

I thought I remembered them saying no crew was allowed in the bedrooms without planning first. One of the reasons given was the girls don't want to be caught in their pajamas.

[crazy8s]

seems there was an interview way back where they stated no pajamas were allowed downstairs, they were for bedrooms only. also one where michelle said something about the girls wearing long stretchy skirts and polo shirts as sleepwear and how comfortable they were

way back when they talked about their great organization and parenting skills - in the one where they talked about assembly line baths and trying to wash the cleanest child first, they did say they gathered everything together before hand. pajamas and diapers were mentioned. I think that was with Lily and Eliie maybe or is on their page

[SMama]

38 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I thought I remembered them saying no crew was allowed in the bedrooms without planning first. One of the reasons given was the girls don't want to be caught in their pajamas.

I thought it was the girls didn’t want to be filmed before hair and makeup. Wonder why I have that impression.

[Sew Sumi]

4 hours ago, SMama said:

I thought it was the girls didn’t want to be filmed before hair and makeup. Wonder why I have that impression.

That I remember. It was later in the 19 Kids run when the girls started wearing makeup.

[nightmeri]

I remember the sleeping in clothes comment being in relation to Duggar time. They had to get to Good Morning America or whatever and said they often sleep in clothes because they get up late and the littles are hard to dress in the mornings so they can just get up and go. Basically bragging about going on television in the clothes they slept in 

[Nysha]

Was this before or after Michelle said some of the little boys still wet the bed to justify Jessa packing 10,000 pairs of boys underwear? So, they don't have time to dress the little ones so they wear their clothes to bed, have an accident, and then need bathed and redressed? Or do they just figure it will dry out and get on with their plans?

[floridamom]

If I remember correctly, Michelle was in front of the girls' bedroom door and she said that the girls weren't ready yet. They didn't want the camera crew in there because they didn't do their hair and makeup. She said 'you know how girls are with their makeup'. I remember that segment. She is such a liar about......everything.

[GeeGolly]

I wonder why what they slept in would be a big deal as far as Josh. The girls had locks on their doors. To get to their bedroom you had to walk by the parents' bedroom. And they had cameras in the hallways that JB & M monitored from their bedroom.