S24.E11: Week 10 - The Final Rose

[SallyAlbright]

If I never see Barbara Weber again after this evening it will be too soon. I hope she's humiliated reading what people think of her behavior. That over the top scream cry in the preview just set me off again! 

[tennisgurl]

This season, we spend time with the true star of the show, our villain protagonist: Barbara and her fucking hysterics! 

[Dittohead]

If Peter did indeed end up married to Maddie, and then they had kids, Babs would not be happy with her grandkids being brought up with morals and going to Sunday School.  I hope Maddie considers that before (and if) she actually does capitulate and marry him. 

[LennieBriscoe]

Normally I would have watched, but I find Peter too boyish-looking. Just no sex appeal. 

Oh, and are those eyelashes on that girl Madison real?!

 

 

 

 

Edited March 11, 2020 by LennieBriscoe

[antfitz]

23 hours ago, EllenB said:

My hubby goes to church every week and is very religious.  I don't do religion except on Christmas and Easter for the music.  We've been happily married with no seething for almost 40 years, thank you very much.

Congrats.   You are both lucky to have each other.

[Stats Queen]

8 hours ago, Mrs.Monkey said:

As Peter and Madi were talking about Uluru and how it was formed around 550 million years ago, I couldn't help but wonder if Madison was thinking, that's not possible, the Earth was created 6,000 years ago.

Just because someone is religious, it doesn’t mean they are a flat Earther or deny evolution, those are extreme fundamentalists that are like that and they probably wouldn’t even watch this show

[phlebas]

“Hannah Ann, will you me the honor of not watching these last few episodes back when they air in four months?”

I thought he called her Madison there for a sec.

“My heart has been torn in two.... so I have to follow my heart.”  What?  That’s a Metaphor Control Foul

Edited March 11, 2020 by phlebas

[LennieBriscoe]

Isn't the proposal supposed to be the main event, held to the last segment?

I don't get it.

[phlebas]

1 minute ago, LennieBriscoe said:

Isn't the proposal supposed to be the main event, held to the last segment?

I don't get it.

I don't think that's been the case since Becca's season

[CraftyHazel]

I absolutely despise Mama Weber...she is such a histrionic mess.  It’s all about Barbara, all the time.  Ick.

And Peter’s scar is pretty ugly.

[tinkerbell]

Peter's parents have certainly stunted his growth.  

I have two adult sons. They went away to college,  then lived at home for a couple of years. Neither was ever allowed to have girlfriends or one night stands sleep over while they lived at home. They each moved away at age 25. (Perhaps if I let them have girls sleep over, they'd still live at home?) I have met girlfriends,  but have never asked about their sex lives, never given an opinion on the suitability of the women.  It has just never occurred to me, as I have always considered sex to be a very personal and private matter. Once you discuss your sex life with your parents, that boundary has been crossed and you can't go back. There is some very unhealthy enmeshment going on with this family.

[chocolatine]

Barbara is every woman's nightmare. Many melodramatic people are at least somewhat aware that it's a character flaw and don't play it up when featured on national television, but she probably thinks the histrionics make her look like a devoted mother.

I would have respected Madison more if she hadn't returned after the fantasy suites. I hope she really stays gone this time.

I do feel bad for Hannah Ann. I'm sad to admit that when I was her age, I also didn't have the self-confidence to walk away from a situation where I clearly wasn't someone's first choice. Hopefully she doesn't end up with Peter and goes on BIP instead, the men there will be falling all over her like Hannah G last year.

Oh, and "Bud" is what I call my six-year-old nephew when I'm trying to get him to eat his vegetables.

4 minutes ago, Stats Queen said:

Just because someone is religious, it doesn’t mean they are a flat Earther or deny evolution, those are extreme fundamentalists that are like that and they probably wouldn’t even watch this show

There was a flat Earther on Becca's Bachelorette season (Lincoln, who also turned out to be a convicted sex offender). A lot of people from all walks of life watch this show, I don't think watching the show is mutually exclusive with counterfactual beliefs.

[Adeejay]

Why is Kelly there?  Maybe she is the one he gets engaged to.

[tennisgurl]

This all seems so weird, like its leading up to some major drama, but its tip toeing around it. Like Becca is watching this like "you in danger girl."

[tennisgurl]

This season ends as it began: With Peter being the most wishy washy idiot around.

[LennieBriscoe]

A sniveling child-man.

Edited March 11, 2020 by LennieBriscoe

[CraftyHazel]

He can’t even come right out and make a declarative statement, can he?  What a weak excuse for a man.

I haven’t been invested in any of these women this year, but Hannah Ann didn’t deserve to be jerked around like this.  I hope to heaven she gives him hell.

[tennisgurl]

God just spit it out Peter! You could sub him out for a jellyfish, and that jellyfish would have more dignity than Peter!

[Scout Finch]

1 hour ago, Kiss my mutt said:

After watching Peter’s parents I am ever more thankful for my conventional parents. 

My mom wasn't conventional but even though she was very much part of the counter-culture movement, she knew she was a parent and not my friend, Morals and ethics were among the most important things she wanted me to have, and there were always clear, age-appropriate boundaries (like not wearing even a little makeup until I was 15, and I also couldn't go on dates where it was just the guy and me until I was 16). She was pretty strict. The only mention of my sex life that ever occurred was about 20 years ago when she mentioned how I had always made great choices in boyfriends, except for Tommy, who was this loser, Billy Idol-wanna be, poseur punk rocker I was involved with at 19. Without going into details I alluded to him being good in bed, and she said, "NOW, I know why you were with him!"

If Peter and Maddie end up together, it is going to be AWKWARD when his parents meet her parents. I would be absolutely livid about how my daughter was denigrated for daring to do what is best for her, and the backasswards lens their "culture" views her through. "I'm sorry your son is such a skank."

Edited March 11, 2020 by Scout Finch

[LennieBriscoe]

I am both horrified by and envious of Madison's eyelashes.

Does no-one on this show own any Kleenex? Disgusting, she and Peter.

Edited March 11, 2020 by LennieBriscoe

[tennisgurl]

Peter is so wishy washy, Chidi from The Good Place would probably tell him to stop dithering and make a choice already. 

[kugrrl]

I want to reach through my tv and slap his mom.  

[Kiss my mutt]

23 minutes ago, Scout Finch said:

My mom wasn't conventional but even though she was very much part of the counter-culture movement, she knew she was a parent and not my friend, Morals and ethics were among the most important things she wanted me to have, and there were always clear, age-appropriate boundaries (like not wearing even a little makeup until I was 15, and I also couldn't go on dates where it was just the guy and me until I was 16). She was pretty strict. The only mention of my sex life that ever occurred was about 20 years ago when she mentioned how I had always made great choices in boyfriends, except for Tommy, who was this loser, Billy Idol-wanna be, poseur punk rocker I was involved with at 19. Without going into details I alluded to him being good in bed, and she said, "NOW, I know why you were with him!"

If Peter and Maddie end up together, it is going to be AWKWARD when his parents meet her parents. I would be absolutely livid about how my daughter was denigrated for daring to do what is best for her, and the backasswards lens their "culture" views her through. "I'm sorry your son is such a skank."

Huh? I wasn’t talking about you. 

[LennieBriscoe]

I don't get him. He joyously proclaimed his love for and to Hannah Ann. Then Peter dumped her for Madison, to whom he shows angst and caution. 

Whatever.

And Madison needs to stop her habit of pressing her lips together like she's fixing her lipstick, STAT. 💄💋

Edited March 11, 2020 by LennieBriscoe

[Madding crowd]

Peter’s mom is such a nasty person. Maddie needs to run the other way. I’ve been dealing with a mean mother in law for 25 years and it has taken a lot out of me. I hope Peter will at least defend Madison.

[LennieBriscoe]

I figured it out---it's Madison's caps that are bugging her.

Peter's mother is one nasty piece of work. 

And that was the most anti-climactic moment of "drama" ever. Was the entire season this boring and insipid? Rhetorical, trust me.

New Bachelorette looks about 40, like she should be a mid-season replacement on some "Real Housewives" franchise.

Edited March 11, 2020 by LennieBriscoe

[Scout Finch]

29 minutes ago, Kiss my mutt said:

Huh? I wasn’t talking about you. 

You said you are very thankful for your conventional parents, and I was mentioning that even unconventional parents are not the complete nightmare that Barbara is. That level of instability is scary!

Edited March 11, 2020 by Scout Finch

[Kiss my mutt]

3 minutes ago, Scout Finch said:

You said you are very thankful for your conventional parents, and I was adding that even unconventional parents are most likely not to be the complete nightmare that Barbara is. I can't recall any of my friends' parents ever being that at level of unstable.

I guess I got lost the plot in all the details.  

[Scout Finch]

Okay, so can we I kiss your mutt and make up?

[antfitz]

On 3/9/2020 at 8:05 PM, truthaboutluv said:

That about sums it up.

 So absolutely true.    If they would marry they better live across the country from that woman. I had a mother in law like that. Everything got better when she moved to Florida.

On 3/9/2020 at 8:04 PM, Suzysite said:

She's "spiritual".    Not quite sure what spirit....

Yep!  She's a d*** head.

[Hangin Out]

1 hour ago, LennieBriscoe said:

Isn't the proposal supposed to be the main event, held to the last segment?

I don't get it.

I thought he would propose to Maddie tonight, but Babs interfered with her big mouth.  Peter is a wuss.  Maddie did not have a chance, nor will she.  To humiliate a young girl like that on national t.v. Is unforgivable.  Of course, the husband had to agree with Babs or else.  Horrible.

[antfitz]

41 minutes ago, Kiss my mutt said:

Huh? I wasn’t talking about you. 

 If they get together Peter better get very strong. He been a really have a talk to his mother. His mother needs to learn the Meaning of boundaries! Geesh 

[Hangin Out]

10 minutes ago, antfitz said:

So absolutely true.    If they would marry they better live across the country from that woman. I had a mother in law like that. Everything got better when she moved to Florida.

So did I, but I did the right thing and was nice to her.  Looking back, I’m sorry I was.  She didn’t deserve it.  I have two daughters in law and treat them like my own and love them.

Edited March 11, 2020 by Silver Bells

[Stats Queen]

1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:

God just spit it out Peter! You could sub him out for a jellyfish, and that jellyfish would have more dignity than Peter!

And more of a spine

[Hangin Out]

58 minutes ago, kugrrl said:

I want to reach through my tv and slap his mom.  

Can you imagine what Babs husband goes thru on a daily basis?  I feel sorry for him.

[galaxychaser]

36 minutes ago, LennieBriscoe said:

I figured it out---it's Madison's caps that are bugging her.

Peter's mother is one nasty piece of work. 

And that was the most anti-climactic moment of "drama" ever. Was the entire season this boring and insipid? Rhetorical, trust me.

New Bachelorette looks about 40, like she should be a mid-season replacement on some "Real Housewives" franchise.

She claims to be 38, which probably means 45.

[Hangin Out]

50 minutes ago, Madding crowd said:

Peter’s mom is such a nasty person. Maddie needs to run the other way. I’ve been dealing with a mean mother in law for 25 years and it has taken a lot out of me. I hope Peter will at least defend Madison.

That mother thinks she’s the only person who loves her kids.  She has to learn to let go.  She’s ruining them.  

[Hangin Out]

10 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

Peter’s mom is such a nasty person. Maddie needs to run the other way. I’ve been dealing with a mean mother in law for 25 years and it has taken a lot out of me. I hope Peter will at least defend Madison.

OMG, me too.  She caused me so much anguish, but what the hell did I know?  When I think of it now, I should have moved far away.  Her and her two daughters were always stirring the pot. 

Edited March 11, 2020 by Silver Bells

[Hangin Out]

2 hours ago, Dittohead said:

If Peter did indeed end up married to Maddie, and then they had kids, Babs would not be happy with her grandkids being brought up with morals and going to Sunday School.  I hope Maddie considers that before (and if) she actually does capitulate and marry him. 

Does anyone know if they are still together?

[Hangin Out]

21 hours ago, CrazyDog said:

This whole episode was exhausting and way more of a downer than the final episode(s) theoretically leading uo to an engagement should be. 

There's been so little joy in this season.

Yeah, yeah, Madi has her morals, and I'm glad she spoke her mind to crazy Babs, but she just waffled so damn much. She should have left the night Peter fessed up to her. I'm tired of her drama, the same way I got tired of Victoria's moods. Unpopular opinion, I know. But she willingly signed up for this show. And frankly, she should also realize that if he cared that much about her, he wouldn't have slept with the others. Peter would always be trying to make that up to her. Even if it's obvious Peter prefers her, the fact that Peter spoke of loving Hannah too would have had to have been a dealbreaker, I'd think. And god, is she back AGAIN tomorrow?

And frankly, I'm no fan of Hannah, and her pageant background really showed tonight, (did she really say that she started falling for Peter on night 1?) but I'm not thrilled with the borderline slut shaming towards her. She hasn't done anything wrong except be as immature as Peter. I'd like to see her walk away too, but she wouldn't be the first one to maybe hang around hoping for the Bachelorette, if not the rose at the end.

Hannah deserves better, and Madison will be grateful she walked away. They are just not compatible, as others have said. So much Stockholm Syndrome in the Bachelorverse.

I did laugh at the brother basically asking if Peter could go without sex until his theoretical wedding. LOL. In general,  I wonder what Madison thinks seeing that.

Peter needs to learn the concept of personal space. All that close talking drives me crazy.

The baby kangaroos were the only fun part of tonight's show.

Barbara...holy cow. In a way, I can kind of see the protective vibe where she doesn't want him to risk it on someone who is so unsure, but the whole Hannah Is An Angel thing was just weird. And it's NOT her business. 

What a season. It kind of seems like the show is winding down. It's always been somewhat of a trainwreck, but just more so in recent years. Too young, too fame-seeking, and too much manufactured drama.

All this is why I only watch the first episode, then the last.  The in between is always the same.  Boring and too much dialogue .. for nothing.

[dirtypop90]

Never liked Peter. I thought he was a bad bachelor choice from the beginning largely because of his dynamic with his parents. It always came off as unhealthy. Then I read they were all wannabe actors. All leading to this mess tonight. What an awful choice by TPTB. I put it all on them. This family needs to be in a therapist office.

[EssieMay]

I just don’t get all this outrage about Madison “telling Peter what to do”. It wasn’t some kind of disingenuous attempt at manipulation or a childish ultimatum over a trivial issue. I won’t date people who smoke because I have lung disease. It’s a hard line for me, no compromise like smoking outdoors only. I’m entitled to have that limit. I’m even entitled to have a crazy limit like refusing to date people who eat corn on Tuesday as long as I’m up front about it and am willing to accept the consequences of having to walk away from some otherwise decent guy. It’s just so sad that this perfectly lovely young woman has politely expressed her genuine standards for the man she wants to marry and she’s being treated like a manipulative beach. Any one of these girls would have said they would not date a troll. We all have standards although some of them are clearly very low.

[LilDumplin]

21 hours ago, Alexander Pope said:

yeah, it was weird that they dropped that sparkling cider on us this late in the game--probably to foreground how DIFFERENT THEY ARE.

At the end of one of the last rose ceremonies they made a point of zooming in on her placing her untouched glass of champagne on the ‘rose alter’ after the celebratory toast... I guess she’s been going through the motions all season, in more ways than one.

[Hangin Out]

On 3/9/2020 at 8:02 PM, tennisgurl said:

I think I speak for many of us, when I say, I could not be happier that this season is ending, and we can all pretend it never happened. 

In my life,I’ve never met a guy that can talk so much about feelings like these bachelors.  What BS.  They all must study a script the night before they have to perform.  Peter and his brother need a pacifier and blankie and go back to Mother.  Plus, Mother’s husband has to grow a pair.

 

 

 

 

 

[Hangin Out]

17 hours ago, dirtypop90 said:

Never liked Peter. I thought he was a bad bachelor choice from the beginning largely because of his dynamic with his parents. It always came off as unhealthy. Then I read they were all wannabe actors. All leading to this mess tonight. What an awful choice by TPTB. I put it all on them. This family needs to be in a therapist office.

Well, the Mother failed her screen test.  I don’t EVER want to see her puss on my t.v. again.  She was vile.  The little prissy brother and the wimpy husband too.

[valen]

When they were talking about “whole hearts” and the “love I have in my heart for you” and “journeys” I wanted to scream. No one talks like that.

[truthaboutluv]

Not sure if this has already been discussed, since there are so many new posts since I last posted. But I remember someone asking last night whether Hannah Ann's comment about Peter's saying he needed closure with Hannah B. was after the engagement or she was referring to the start of the season when Hannah B. showed up.

Well Hannah Ann stated emphatically on Rachel and Becca's podcast show that it was after the engagement. She said it was the first red flag and coinky dinky, came right before the episode of Peter's boo-hooing with Hannah B. was about to air.

Hannah Ann stated that since she hadn't been on that group date, she had no clue of all that went down between Peter and Hannah B. that night. And so it's why she was even more baffled by his saying he needed closure with Hannah B. Because she had no clue where that was coming from. 

So yeah, Peter was a total tool and a hot mess who had no business proposing to anyone. And why Barb also looks even more ridiculous fuming over Madison. Because yeah she's right, they will likely fail but it won't be purely because Madison is so bad for her son but also because her son is weak-willed, wishy-washy man-child who's likely not ready to be serious or engaged to anyone. 

 

[slowpoked]

1 hour ago, truthaboutluv said:

So yeah, Peter was a total tool and a hot mess who had no business proposing to anyone. And why Barb also looks even more ridiculous fuming over Madison. Because yeah she's right, they will likely fail but it won't be purely because Madison is so bad for her son but also because her son is weak-willed, wishy-washy man-child who's likely not ready to be serious or engaged to anyone. 

 

Peter freaked out that that both women will end up leaving him because of his indecisiveness. His ego got in the way of being the first Bachelor to be left by both his F2, and so instead of being honest with himself that he's still torn and not ready to commit to just one person, he had to save face. It sucks that he hurt Hannah Ann in the process.

I'm glad she let him have it last night instead of playing nice with him. 

 

[Mu Shu]

On 3/10/2020 at 8:37 PM, tinkerbell said:

Peter's parents have certainly stunted his growth.  

I have two adult sons. They went away to college,  then lived at home for a couple of years. Neither was ever allowed to have girlfriends or one night stands sleep over while they lived at home. They each moved away at age 25. (Perhaps if I let them have girls sleep over, they'd still live at home?) I have met girlfriends,  but have never asked about their sex lives, never given an opinion on the suitability of the women.  It has just never occurred to me, as I have always considered sex to be a very personal and private matter. Once you discuss your sex life with your parents, that boundary has been crossed and you can't go back. There is some very unhealthy enmeshment going on with this family.

See, that’s normal. Your kids stayed home until 25 and got a head start on life. You let them know the rules are no sex in the family home. Barb would have them there until they were sixty, and would probably have bought their viagra. I wonder if the Weber family fruit bowl contains condoms instead of fruit. 

[StatisticalOutlier]

On 3/10/2020 at 11:32 PM, EssieMay said:

I’m even entitled to have a crazy limit like refusing to date people who eat corn on Tuesday as long as I’m up front about it and am willing to accept the consequences of having to walk away from some otherwise decent guy. It’s just so sad that this perfectly lovely young woman has politely expressed her genuine standards for the man she wants to marry and she’s being treated like a manipulative beach.

The problem for me is that she didn't accept the consequences.  Admittedly, I think she didn't say it was an absolute dealbreaker, but instead that she would have problems continuing the relationship, but I'm not sure that's better.  It's like, "These are my standards, and I will not countenance your violating them...unless you can talk me into it."