S24.E11: Week 10 - The Final Rose

[GracieK]

I will give Peter a tiny bit of credit for growing a sack when it actually counted. If he had backed down to his mother’s histrionics on national tv those romps in the fantasy suites may have been his last. 

[leocadia]

I get that Peter's family wants the best for him and that everyone (including Madison) is probably correct in saying that Madi and Peter are incompatible as life partners, but it really irked me that instead of just saying that, the mother turned it into a diatribe about what a shining angel gift from God HA is and how much she loves Peter.  Is there footage of this on the editing room floor somewhere?  HA did the typical bachelor family visit stuff, she said she loved Peter and made all the right noises, but I didn't sense an ounce of authenticity or enthusiasm from her during the whole charade.  Madison at least told the truth about how she was feeling and what her concerns were for their future.  I'd much rather have a daughter-in-law with a backbone and some practicality rather than someone who goes along to get along.

Honestly, I don't think there is a "twu wuv" connection anywhere in sight.  Even if HA had been willing to accept a proposal and give it a try with Peter, seeing that his first choice was Madi should make that an impossibility at this point.  

Edited March 10, 2020 by leocadia
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[nutty1]

For once, this finale may live up to the hype. I thoroughly enjoyed all the bat shit crazy being passed around!

[phlebas]

What would make all this even better is if Victoria F came back.  

But obviously that wouldn't happen until after the wedding.

*rim shot*

[nickp1991]

Barbara needs to calm down. She also needs to stop manipulating peters decision

[Sessa]

What I took away from his mother is that it’s not about who HE loves more, it’s about who worships him more. Madison didn’t bow down and show Prince Peter enough adulation. Clearly Mama “ I will always be the number one woman in his life and his wife needs to respect that“ knows she could manipulate Hannah Ann more than Madi. This episode really did explain a lot about Peter and why he is how he is.

[galaxychaser]

These comments are gold! Thanks for the giggles.

[Adeejay]

I sincerely hope Peter doesn't end up with either lady.  Hannah Ann because she isn't the one he wants and Madison because his family doesn't care for her, which could make holidays very awkward. My heart broke for HA when it finally dawn on her what his decision would be. And, I agree with Maddy.  Accept me as I am.  I won't try and change you and don't expect me to change. 

[scarlettudor]

Yes, for sure Maddi was the one he wanted.  I think the family's promoting Hannah Ann made him all the surer about Maddi.  I know for myself if people push me toward A, I'm going to realize how much I choose B. 

Just a few thoughts.  Those Australian bugs were bad for both couples.  Maddi was also coping with a runny nose and a runaway artificial eyelash.  I'm curious as to what Chris was going to reveal to Peter.  Tomorrow night?

Oh also noted Peter described both of the final 2 as 'selfless.'  That must be a quality he seeks, along with red hot sexual connection of course.

And of course I'll be watching tomorrow night.

[angelamh66]

I agree with most of the sentiments expressed on this board. Mama is a nightmare. But she also isn’t wrong that Madison and Peter are incompatible. 

I was in Australia recently and Uluru is impressive. I happened to go in the non buggy season though. And the little kangaroos really are that friendly. Kinda like dogs. 

[Arkay]

Yech. Peter's mother's histrionics are right up there with the "leave Britney aloooooonnnne" guy. 

I  admire Madison for speaking up for herself, both to Peter and to his family. I really wanted her to tell him how his family had treated her, but I guess she's really a good-hearted girl. 

I so hope this doesn't end with Madison capitulating. 

[Mswldflwr]

There is no way he could propose to Hannah Ann at this point.  He'd be a total and complete cad if he did.  There's no way he could ever convince her that she was his choice all along once she watches this back.  He made it pretty clear he wants Madison and she'll have only have won by default.  I think Hannah Ann is quite a likable girl, but she is exactly that, just a girl.  She can do much better when the time is right.  And hopefully by then she'll have gained enough self-respect and maturity that she would never allow a man to walk all over her and let him go out and do whatever it is HE needs to do and she'll be right there waiting for him.  

[Stats Queen]

6 minutes ago, Mswldflwr said:

There is no way he could propose to Hannah Ann at this point.  He'd be a total and complete cad if he did.  

It wouldn’t surprise me because he is a complete cad.

Tomorrow night, in the most shocking Bachelor finale event, Peter will give his final Rose to Mama Webber 😜

[scarlettudor]

Another thought ~ When Peter went to Hannah Anne's room, he was still hurt, broken, devastated about Madison feeling she couldn't go on trying.  I felt HA definitely saw that in his eyes.  Heck, I saw that in his eyes.  If he was going to propose to her the next day, he would be happy.  She's a bright girl.  She's bound to figure out he chose Maddi first and she let him go.  She won't even have to watch the show.

[Mswldflwr]

And I think it's more than a little creepy how open he is with his family about his sexual escapades.  And I'm totally horrified that his own mother doesn't even slightly chastise him for such activities  Instead she actually encourages him to go for the girl that she already knows is the easy lay.

[waving feather]

Looks wise, Hannah Ann is so out of his league. He's not good looking or wealthy enough to date her in my opinion. So, she's not the loser if he doesn't want her.

[Wandering Snark]

1 hour ago, angelamh66 said:

I agree with most of the sentiments expressed on this board. Mama is a nightmare. But she also isn’t wrong that Madison and Peter are incompatible.

Agreed. She may be BSC but that doesn't exclude her from being correct here. They catastrophically mismatched on so many levels and on everything she claims is important.

I think both women at this point have come to the realizations that this won't work. Maybe they both have realized 'WTF am I doing talking engagement at this age??"

Maddie sees now how mismatched they are and it's, I think, due in no small part to her talk with his mom.

Hannah Anne realizes that his heart just isn't with her and it didn't help that he wasn't even listening to her as she poured her heart out. So awkward. When someone says "Give me something... anything..." and all you do is look away and think about another person you're heart aint in it, Bud.

Maybe either can still laugh it all off and claim it as just part of their "journey" and tell everyone how in love they are, but I'm really betting against it at this point.

 

[Adeejay]

I remember Arie’s family telling him that Becca was a better match, because she was independent and appeared to really care for him, while Lauren seemed cold and needy. Well we all know how that turned out. If anything, perhaps Peter’s family just pushed him further towards Madison.

[Andyourlittledog2]

I feel like I'm watching a really bad play written by a high school student. This whole angsty scene between Peter and Madi prior to the family visit is practically chewing the scenery levels of juvenile. And if this were real there is really no better indication to Peter to consider he dodged a bullet than this supersonic angsty guilt trip of torture that Madi insists he sit through, making Peter beg her for forgiveness and to stay and to please please please don't let this ruin our one true love of a lifetime, etc. It's just about a thousand percent too much. A relationship with the hopelessly disappointed righteous Madi would be hell, IMHO.  But since I think they are both just performing for the cameras at production direction, I won't lose any sleep over it.

Am I supposed to hate Bachelor Nation? Because I do and I suspect that is not the reaction The Bachelor was going for.  The studio audience just seems so stupid to me.

[gwen747]

The way Peter's mom was acting, you'd think she was auditioning for Bachelor Senior Edition. Seriously,  give it a rest lady. 

[CrazyDog]

This whole episode was exhausting and way more of a downer than the final episode(s) theoretically leading uo to an engagement should be. 

There's been so little joy in this season.

Yeah, yeah, Madi has her morals, and I'm glad she spoke her mind to crazy Babs, but she just waffled so damn much. She should have left the night Peter fessed up to her. I'm tired of her drama, the same way I got tired of Victoria's moods. Unpopular opinion, I know. But she willingly signed up for this show. And frankly, she should also realize that if he cared that much about her, he wouldn't have slept with the others. Peter would always be trying to make that up to her. Even if it's obvious Peter prefers her, the fact that Peter spoke of loving Hannah too would have had to have been a dealbreaker, I'd think. And god, is she back AGAIN tomorrow?

And frankly, I'm no fan of Hannah, and her pageant background really showed tonight, (did she really say that she started falling for Peter on night 1?) but I'm not thrilled with the borderline slut shaming towards her. She hasn't done anything wrong except be as immature as Peter. I'd like to see her walk away too, but she wouldn't be the first one to maybe hang around hoping for the Bachelorette, if not the rose at the end.

Hannah deserves better, and Madison will be grateful she walked away. They are just not compatible, as others have said. So much Stockholm Syndrome in the Bachelorverse.

I did laugh at the brother basically asking if Peter could go without sex until his theoretical wedding. LOL. In general,  I wonder what Madison thinks seeing that.

Peter needs to learn the concept of personal space. All that close talking drives me crazy.

The baby kangaroos were the only fun part of tonight's show.

Barbara...holy cow. In a way, I can kind of see the protective vibe where she doesn't want him to risk it on someone who is so unsure, but the whole Hannah Is An Angel thing was just weird. And it's NOT her business. 

What a season. It kind of seems like the show is winding down. It's always been somewhat of a trainwreck, but just more so in recent years. Too young, too fame-seeking, and too much manufactured drama.

[Andromeda]

Maybe Peter and Maddy are right for each other. Neither can make up their minds! Actually, that would be a terrible relationship, if both are indecisive.

I'm with the 'rents and the 1/3 of the audience that isn't looking through rose-colored glasses. As Jane Austen's Emma would say, it's a bad match.

Just the religion thing is HUGE. Add in the sex, the partying and apparently the drinking, and it's a train wreck waiting to happen. Love truly does not conquer all, kids.

[StatisticalOutlier]

When did "voice" become a verb?  "I voiced how I felt about it."  I noticed it in previous episodes, and multiple times last night.  I'm worried that it is or will become a "thing" among young women that grates, like vocal fry, and if you dare mention it, you'll be accused of putting down women.  Or vocabulary shaming them.

I was annoyed when "said" left the lexicon, in favor of "was like":  "I was like, 'Don't go,' and he was like 'I have to,' and I was like "But I'll be upset,' and he was like 'I have no choice.' 

The only thing people should be voicing is concern.  Or maybe opinions.  But it's not a substitute for "say."

 

Edited March 10, 2020 by StatisticalOutlier

[Hpmec]

Peter’s mother is a piece of work and true Bachelor gold. Production managed to cast the one guy in America with a mother so screwy she carries on and gives major stink eye over her son potentially choosing a girl who’s not ready to get between the sheets with her boy until he puts a wedding ring on it. I’ve seen nutty on this show over the seasons, but she takes the prize. Peter’s a ridiculous tool, but I actually felt a little sorry for him when he kept telling his mother to stop with the histrionics. He’s seen this embarrassing behavior before.  I hope when all is said and done, Madi and HA both walk away and look for something better. Peter is nothing special, and Barbara would be the mother in law from hell. 

[Wandering Snark]

1 hour ago, Hpmec said:

Barbara would be the mother in law from hell.

Only if she didn't like you... if you were good with her you'd become just as enmeshed with her and the family as Peter has become. Let's face it, they aren't just his parents they're  roommates! Time to cut those (psycho) apron strings Peter! Stop banging easy girls from the club like your mom seems to want you to. Talk about hell, can you imagine waking up at Peter's mom's house when the booze wears off? It's like a bad college roommate moment: "No, don't worry, we're good. I put the ribbon on the door." I'm sure Babs loves coming by his closed door the day after he's been out partying and saying 'atta boy Peter, that's my boy!!"

Let's not forget there was that telling moment (beside the windmill) about Peter in H.B.'s season: condoms in the car. He's just a horndog not ready for a relationship let alone an engagement. 'Immature' barely covers the extent of it.

[Wandering Snark]

I'd call it "Venus Flytrap" mascara. How can anyone look at themselves like that in the mirror and say "Perfect! Just what I was going for!"??

[phlebas]

6 hours ago, Mswldflwr said:

And I think it's more than a little creepy how open he is with his family about his sexual escapades.  And I'm totally horrified that his own mother doesn't even slightly chastise him for such activities  Instead she actually encourages him to go for the girl that she already knows is the easy lay.

Totally.  Jesus must have been listening, thinking "look, keep my name out of your mouth while we're talking about your son's dick."

[Mu Shu]

5 hours ago, gwen747 said:

The way Peter's mom was acting, you'd think she was auditioning for Bachelor Senior Edition. Seriously,  give it a rest lady. 

But don’t you know? THATS WHAT LOVE STORIES ARE MADE OF! I’m so embarrassed for this lady right now. 

And the whole nonsense about Peter and his partying ways. His ass is what, 28? Don’t most people party in their early to mid twenties and then stop when they get married? Does this yutz think he gets to go out to clubs alone after he’s married? Mommy probably told him he could. And she probably comes to the club and throws herself to the floor and has a bring Bub Home fit every Friday night.

 

Edited March 10, 2020 by Mu Shu

[nittany cougar]

8 hours ago, leocadia said:

Honestly, I don't think there is a "twu wuv" connection anywhere in sight.  Even if HA had been willing to accept a proposal and give it a try with Peter, seeing that his first choice was Madi should make that an impossibility at this point.  

During the conversation in the desert, I got a feeling of embarrassment from Maddie.  I think she realizes that there is not much to the relationship with Peter, and the conversations about the future are ridiculous.  I think that the two of them know that the relationship ( or whatever it is) is already DOA, and they cannot say it since they have to pretend to be in love for production purposes.

 

Edited March 10, 2020 by nittanycougar

[nutty1]

I agree with those who say Peter and Madi are not compatible. However, that was no excuse for Barb’s actions. She was quite condescending to Madi. And the wailing. Dear Lord, just make her stop!! After watching last night’s episode, I can’t imagine either woman wanting her as a mother in law! And sure she loves HannahAnn now, but wait until she accidentally shrinks one of Peter’s shirts or doesn’t cut the crust of his sandwich. Then she’ll be subject to the wrath of Barb!

[nlkm9]

10 hours ago, JenE4 said:

Madi dumps Peter and, in a twist, he is the one left to die alone in the remote wilderness. Good call, Madison! She suddenly sees how different their lifestyles are—now that your Mom told her they are and drove her away.

And shamed her for NOT being a slut!! How dare you not schtup my son after several others 😱

[nlkm9]

8 hours ago, galaxychaser said:

These comments are gold! Thanks for the giggles.

I had to laugh when Peter said “ I’ve worked so hard “ to make this work . Really? I bet that’s hard work in the fantasy suites. I have to tell you, Peters Dad seems like a very nice man. Word to whoever said the only reason that marriage lasted was because he wasnt home a lot . I know the world is ending because on national tv i have seen a woman who is furious her son is interested in a woman who doesn’t beleive in casual sex. I think Barbara’s impassioned plea was rehearsed, and i now realize that the perfect girl for him is Victoria. Maybe he can call her?

bet the folks were disappointed Hannah b isn’t around. Funny i thought it was cute and surprising when his parents gave him the thumbs up for 4 times but this is downright creepy . 

Edited March 10, 2020 by nlkm9
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[willgracefan]

10 hours ago, Mu Shu said:

Who is Bud?

I'm all for nicknames but when they called him Bud over and over again it started to grate on me.

[GracieK]

The thing that pissed me off about Peter’s mom the most was her confrontation with Madison. Seriously lecturing her for sharing her opinion on how she would feel if he was intimate with others. Barbara treated her as if Madison talked down to her perfect little progeny. Telling her she was wrong to “tell Peter he couldn’t go to the fantasy suite with others”. Madison did not give him an order or some sort of threat. She merely expressed how such an action would affect her ability to continue in the relationship. She should have stuck to that rather than subject herself to that horrible, overly involved, out of line shrew. I am still in complete shock that the woman thought that confronting his son’s girlfriend about the intimate details of their relationship was an appropriate discussion for any occasion much less in front of a camera. This should give any future woman who considers getting involved with this doofus GREAT pause. 

[GracieK]

Like seriously?  Calm the fuck down, Barbara.  No wonder your son thinks that this decision is the toughest thing he's ever had to go through in his life.  If she had any decency she would model composure and maturity for her son.. this is just embarrassing.  

[alexa]

14 minutes ago, GracieK said:

The thing that pissed me off about Peter’s mom the most was her confrontation with Madison. Seriously lecturing her for sharing her opinion on how she would feel if he was intimate with others. Barbara treated her as if Madison talked down to her perfect little progeny. Telling her she was wrong to “tell Peter he couldn’t go to the fantasy suite with others”. Madison did not give him an order or some sort of threat. She merely expressed how such an action would affect her ability to continue in the relationship. She should have stuck to that rather than subject herself to that horrible, overly involved, out of line shrew. I am still in complete shock that the woman thought that confronting his son’s girlfriend about the intimate details of their relationship was an appropriate discussion for any occasion much less in front of a camera. This should give any future woman who considers getting involved with this doofus GREAT pause. 

Well also most reasonable adults would not feel it was their place to discuss that.  Even if they knew about it from Peter, you don't then go on and tell someone else to basically announce that Peter told them everything, right?  I mean, you could hint at your concerns, but don't literally get in the middle of it and discuss it as if it was your business.  

[DEL901]

15 minutes ago, GracieK said:

The thing that pissed me off about Peter’s mom the most was her confrontation with Madison. Seriously lecturing her for sharing her opinion on how she would feel if he was intimate with others. Barbara treated her as if Madison talked down to her perfect little progeny. Telling her she was wrong to “tell Peter he couldn’t go to the fantasy suite with others”. Madison did not give him an order or some sort of threat. She merely expressed how such an action would affect her ability to continue in the relationship. She should have stuck to that rather than subject herself to that horrible, overly involved, out of line shrew. I am still in complete shock that the woman thought that confronting his son’s girlfriend about the intimate details of their relationship was an appropriate discussion for any occasion much less in front of a camera. This should give any future woman who considers getting involved with this doofus GREAT pause. 

And what if they were to get married and have kids...  "How dare you try to change my precious boy and make him stay home at night?  He's gone a lot of nights for work.  When he gets home, he wants to have fun!"

[GracieK]

4 minutes ago, DEL901 said:

And what if they were to get married and have kids...  "How dare you try to change my precious boy and make him stay home at night?  He's gone a lot of nights for work.  When he gets home, he wants to have fun!"

Oh yeah exactly.. it does not bode well for his partner in any future relationship.  This comment hits home for me having a husband who travels for work every Monday through Thursday.  Thankfully my MiL is wonderful and would never insert herself in such a manner.  I know I could not handle that.. not for long any way without confronting it.  I'm glad Madison stood her ground and didn't let Mama Weber intimidate her into silence.  

[GracieK]

🤣🤣🤣

 

[Lamb18]

Just watching this now. This will be weird, but Peter's mother reminded me of someone else from reality TV from the way she talks, then it came to me - Rupert from Survivor!  It's kind of that childish, talking to a child tone of voice.

[Lamb18]

Ugh, I just watched the meet the parents segment. Run, Madison, run!! I'm glad she stuck up for herself. Peter's mom wants a Stepford wife for her son and Hannah Ann is the perfect candidate. (However I think Hannah Ann has some stealth rebellion that would display only after the marriage ceremony is complete and the license signed.

[nlkm9]

11 hours ago, GracieK said:

My husband’s usual travel is grounded by coronavirus so he’s home watching with me. Re momma Peter sobbing at the previews in the end he goes “for all we know they screwed up her Chinese order... this is orange chicken and I ordered Sweet and sour... boohoohoohoo.. bring it home. Bring home the right chicken”.

hahahahahah lololol, i think you win the internet today

1 hour ago, GracieK said:

Like seriously?  Calm the fuck down, Barbara.  No wonder your son thinks that this decision is the toughest thing he's ever had to go through in his life.  If she had any decency she would model composure and maturity for her son.. this is just embarrassing.  

this is a picture of Peter and Victoria F 30 years from now. now I get it.

1 hour ago, willgracefan said:

I'm all for nicknames but when they called him Bud over and over again it started to grate on me.

im still mortified by his younger brother "how can you live without sex until your wedding". OMG.

[JudyObscure]

I think I know why Barbara favors Hannah so much.  Remember that picture someone posted of Barb when she was a young model?  Looked a whole lot like Hannah Ann.  Then there was her comment when Peter was slobbering over Hannah's shoulder on the sofa and she looked at Mr. Weber and said, "They remind me of us!"  Ick.  To her, "Super spiritual" means she likes sunsets and pretty music. This woman is just a big ol' attention whore who loves herself more than Mykenna  does after a two hour positive mantra session and wants her baby boy to marry a girl exactly like her for what ever sick sub-conscious reasons I don't want to think about.  We were warned when she pumped her arm and hollered,"Woo!" when the 'four times in a windmill' came out.  

The whole family just disgusted me.  Dad probably learned to let Barbara have her way about everything while still on their honeymoon.  He seemed almost afraid to disagree with his wife  and the brother sounded like a 13 year old idiot.  "Why wouldn't you pick Hannah?  She's pretty and easy!  Madison is just ewww!"  Madi should have worn a mini-skirt and shown him the main feature she has over Hannah.  Oh the indecision, then.

Run Madi! You'd have to learn their little family songs, and every holiday would be endless hugging and  wine drinking, while Barbara tells you how best to please her baby boy in both kitchen and bedroom. Plus line dancing.

 Run Hannah!  You will never be able to forget that glowing smile after Madison said she loved Peter and his, "Now I don't have a single care in the world," as he walked to the house with her.  You had completely left his mind.

[LBS]

Well the good news is that my husband is watching this with me for the very first time and is treating it like the Superbowl.  "It's a 2 day event, LBS".  We had buffalo chicken dip last night and are having pigs in a blanket tonight.   The bad news... (gesticulates wildly at the Barb screen shot above and the season as a whole).    How can a season that is pretty much unspoiled be SO boring?   Peter's family is way too involved in the adventures of Little Peter.  It is very unsettling.   He is 28.  All  they should of told him is that both women are lovely and that they trust him to make the right decision to get fake engaged to and go back to enjoying their free vacation in Australia.  

 

[StatisticalOutlier]

4 hours ago, Wandering Snark said:

6 hours ago, Hpmec said:

Barbara would be the mother in law from hell. 

Only if she didn't like you... if you were good with her you'd become just as enmeshed with her and the family as Peter has become.

Speaking of hell...that's just two different versions of it. 

 

50 minutes ago, nlkm9 said:

im still mortified by his younger brother "how can you live without sex until your wedding". OMG.

Me too, but it's infinitely less mortifying than his mother not only weighing in but having a nervous breakdown about it.

 

26 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

I think I know why Barbara favors Hannah so much.  Remember that picture someone posted of Barb when she was a young model?  Looked a whole lot like Hannah Ann. 

But Madison and Hannah Ann are almost indistinguishable themselves.

 

[Jetlag]

13 hours ago, TheFinalRose said:

No woman will marry into that crazy family after this expose.  

Can you imagine trying to tell this witch that you are not coming to Christmas at her house this year? 

And Mamma and Pappa Webber 's marriage lasted because Pappa got to fly out of crazy town every week to get a break from the crybaby.

Flight Attendant here and you soooo nailed it on Mamma and Pappa’s marriage...my job let me endure a shitty marriage for 20 years. Peter’s brother was right on when he pointed out that all Peter wants to do is party when he gets back from his trip...I guaran-ass-tee that the last thing Peter wants to do after a trip is go to church...he would definitely bid to fly every Sunday.

[b2H]

1 hour ago, nlkm9 said:

im still mortified by his younger brother "how can you live without sex until your wedding". OMG.

Who's to say that baby brother hasn't been benefiting from the cast-offs?  I think that entire exchange with the family made me a bit squeamish, that they would know so much about his behind-closed-doors nature.  Really kinda sick.

[SeeSee]

Oh, his mother.  This is a woman who used to be pretty and therefore got her way from people around her all the time.  Then, she grew up, wasn't so pretty, but everyone around her still worked hard to make sure she always feels just as special as she always did.  She is a nightmare.  I have never wanted to smack someone so much in my life.  I just wish her husband had just moved away from her on the couch when she started the histrionics.  Yuck.  

As others have said above, it's disgusting that his family is so involved in the intimate details of these "relationships."  And even more disgusting that his mother is motivated to defend his right to sleep around at will. 

I just hate that the previews showed Maddie coming back.  I had so much respect for her and now realize it was just so much manufactured drama, like the rest of the season.  

Worst. Season. Ever.

[DEL901]

I wonder if mom expects Peter and his bride to keep living in the family home?   Ugh!

[vmcd88]

Wow Peter's mom is a nutcase.  Who cries like that when nobody died?  Can you imagine that lady as your mother in law? Marie Barone city.  The clip of her crying for tonights preview cracked me up.  Hanna Ann needs to run.  You are second choice.   Peter is an idiot.