Michael and Juliana: She's Not! a Prostitute

[Bryce Lynch]

On 11/14/2019 at 12:59 PM, Neurochick said:

I think Juliana has plenty of female features.  There are a lot of women out here, especially young women who aren't 36-24-36.  A woman doesn't have to be "curvy" to be a "real woman."

I agree.  She is a very, beautiful, young woman and while very thin, has good figure and seems athletic.   

Can't women have different body types and all still be women?

[Mu Shu]

Seeing her next to him in the limo was striking. He looks like an old perv, and she looks like a fresh faced 16yo. I hate the way he talks, the way he looks, and that ugly ass necklace, which is something a woman 40 years older than her may have worn circa 1992. 

It’s not entertaining seeing old perverts purchasing much younger women. Juliana seems pretty naive. 

Why are his shirts so damn shiny? Do they make polyester button downs?

Edited November 18, 2019 by Mu Shu

[Polliwollidoodle]

On 11/16/2019 at 9:54 AM, merylinkid said:

I wonder if the hold up with Juliana's visa is not prostitution but some discrepancy in her birth certificate.    I wonder if they are lying about her age?   Making her seem legal when, well, she is not.   Although the 45 year old husband/boyfriend/sugar daddy makes that even skeevier.   

I just keep shaking my head at the 45 yr old boyfriend---the EX - and now Michael.

Juliana must be so so so so so mature to keep relating to such older men.

wink wink 

Edited November 18, 2019 by mayvenne

[AZChristian]

Just got around to watching the limo scene today.

If I wanted to insist that my 20+ year younger fiancee was not a prostitute, I would be unlikely to make an inappropriate comment about "limo porn" with cameras rolling for a TV show.

He's the one talking to her and making suggestions one would make (I assume) to a prostitute.  And I thought he looked a bit disappointed when she didn't comply.

[RealReality]

1 hour ago, AZChristian said:

Just got around to watching the limo scene today.

If I wanted to insist that my 20+ year younger fiancee was not a prostitute, I would be unlikely to make an inappropriate comment about "limo porn" with cameras rolling for a TV show.

He's the one talking to her and making suggestions one would make (I assume) to a prostitute.  And I thought he looked a bit disappointed when she didn't comply.

She seems like a good sport, if I was stank and sticky, gross and tired after a long flight and someone made a joke about limo porn....it might not be well received.

[blubld43]

7 hours ago, Bryce Lynch said:

I agree.  She is a very, beautiful, young woman and while very thin, has good figure and seems athletic.   

Can't women have different body types and all still be women?

Thank you. 

Juliana seems very young, I do wonder how much education she had. I'd be impressed if Michael encouraged her to go to college here, he can afford to pay for it. 

[Gobi]

Watching the rerun (don't judge me!) and noticed music from A Clockwork Orange playing as CT Michael gets ready to pick up Juliana. Guess he's looking forward to the old in-out in-out.

[mamadrama]

So we know that Michael's ex wife is the person who married them. She's also been on social media over the past few days defending Julianna and saying that she's a great stepmother to the kids. Any drama that's brought up this season is just going to feel manufactured. 

[Christina]

Michael reposted a post from Juliana's modeling agency. It looks like it was originally reposted from the modeling agency by his ex-wife, but her account is wisely private, so Michael copied it to his, which is why you see two different named accounts, (actually three).

Juliana's story changes a bit from what she's said on the show, and some people have discussed it in the comment section of his post and other 90DF accounts who also reposted the original.

[Mu Shu]

Why would she need to speak English if she was sent to China? 

[mamadrama]

On 11/17/2019 at 8:14 PM, Teri313 said:

So Michael met Juliana on a yacht in Croatia... I can't help but think back to Below Deck: Mediterranean Season 2 when they were in Croatia and had yacht guest (primary) Jerry and his friend and like five "Julianas" on board. Believe me, those girls were there for one thing and one thing only - to take care of Jerry and his friend.

If Juliana were legit, why didn't she bring her portfolio to the interview with her? If she's connected with a legit modeling agency and gets respectable modeling jobs, why didn't she have any proof of that with her? I'm thinking she is what they suspect she is.

We don't know that she didn't. Maybe she did. Maybe that is why they issued her a visa. We only have his word on what went on and my guess is that it was production shennanigans trying to create conflict. Several of us have stated that those questions are standard. Since she got the visa it appears that there wasn't much of a hold up, if any.

There really isn't an argumeent as to whether or not she is "legit." That information is out there and links have been provided. She IS a model.

My feeling is that even if she were an escort, who cares? I have never been in the situation where my life and survival depended upon what men could do to my body. There is quite  bit of lowkey shaming going on surrounding her. If I feel anything for her situation, it's sadness. 

[Teri313]

40 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

We don't know that she didn't. Maybe she did. Maybe that is why they issued her a visa. We only have his word on what went on and my guess is that it was production shennanigans trying to create conflict. Several of us have stated that those questions are standard. Since she got the visa it appears that there wasn't much of a hold up, if any.

There really isn't an argumeent as to whether or not she is "legit." That information is out there and links have been provided. She IS a model.

My feeling is that even if she were an escort, who cares? I have never been in the situation where my life and survival depended upon what men could do to my body. There is quite  bit of lowkey shaming going on surrounding her. If I feel anything for her situation, it's sadness. 

Some people will feel sorry for her, some won't. I'm simply making a connection and have a video to make my point. He and she have said they met on a yacht in Croatia. "Models" who do that are there to make money and men who hire them expect something. Period. Do I feel sorry for her? I don't know. In some ways I guess, but she is not exactly disadvantaged due to her looks. As evidenced by her advancement in life. If she were an unattractive girl, she'd still be a seamstress with her mother or in a sweatshop. I guess I don't feel all that sorry. But ultimately, I think she's a nice person and hope it works out for her.

[RealReality]

10 hours ago, mamadrama said:

My feeling is that even if she were an escort, who cares? I have never been in the situation where my life and survival depended upon what men could do to my body. There is quite  bit of lowkey shaming going on surrounding her. If I feel anything for her situation, it's sadness. 

So much this.  I do wish that everyone could just admit to it so that there wasn't a sense of shame for the women.  

She was talking about her past and having to collect cans to eat and you realize just how desperate her situation was.  We are so lucky in this country to not have to be faced with a reality that selling sex could be a way to help lift our family out of poverty.  Its a sacrifice.  

I think it's why I generally take the side of the foreign "golddigging" spouse and not the dopey American who starts whining about how they should be unconditionally loved. 

Everyone knows these relationships are transactional and the American is quite often taking advantage of someone's abject poverty and lack of opportunity.  

Men like Michael are more problematic to me, but this is what Julianna needs to do.  I truly think she has 10-15+ years of being pretty, slim and desirable.  I see no bad habits like smoking or excessive drinking.  She seems sweet and thoughtful.  I think she could get her green card and find a man who is financially stable or well off and closer to her age who won't treat her like a sex object. 

Edited November 20, 2019 by RealReality

[Booger666]

13 hours ago, mamadrama said:

My feeling is that even if she were an escort, who cares? I have never been in the situation where my life and survival depended upon what men could do to my body. There is quite  bit of lowkey shaming going on surrounding her. If I feel anything for her situation, it's sadness. 

I agree.  Her childhood sounds horrifying.  I’m wondering if her past abuse is why she is drawn to older men and assume she is desperate for the sense of security she believes Michael will provide.

[Evangeline]

On 11/18/2019 at 8:47 PM, Mu Shu said:

Why would she need to speak English if she was sent to China? 

Two thoughts - (1) Bad translation. She could have said something like she didn't speak the language and the interviewer put "English." (2) Whoever had custody of her at that time spoke English. The latter is my guess - I'm guessing this arrangement wasn't set up by locals in China, but rather by English speakers hitting markets with poverty and fewer enforced child protection laws. 

[mamadrama]

4 hours ago, Booger666 said:

I agree.  Her childhood sounds horrifying.  I’m wondering if her past abuse is why she is drawn to older men and assume she is desperate for the sense of security she believes Michael will provide.

If so then I can't blame her. 

[glitterpussy]

7 hours ago, RealReality said:

Everyone knows these relationships are transactional and the American is quite often taking advantage of someone's abject poverty and lack of opportunity.  

Yep. It's Michael who should be shamed and blamed, not her...he's no better than a john, "buying" a young girl in sad circumstances who has had a hard life.  She's nothing but another possession like his stupid guitars/cars/etc that he brags about.  He's disgusting to me.  Most of the Americans this time around are awful.

[sainte-chapelle]

So she set up two businesses and wants to become a Doctor? Is she in school? She is 23, you need at least 10 years of schooling plus residency training to become a medical Doctor (I assume that is what is referenced here). What are her businesses? Are they successful? Why does she need Michael's money? I am not snarking on her horrific past, just questioning the aftermath. Isn't the spelling Brasil? Edited to say why does she need to be a Doctor or run two businesses? Being a survivor and making a nice life for herself is enough. If she chooses (keyword here is chooses) sexwork then so what?

Edited November 21, 2019 by sainte-chapelle

[Christina]

I like Michael's kids. 

"We start off putting glue on our face..."

"Then we move on to the Cajun sauce"

"Is this why people spend 20 minutes in the bathroom?" "Yes. It's why the line at Broadway shows are so long for the girls but not he boys."

[politichick]

On 11/16/2019 at 1:18 AM, gavinmac said:

I'm gonna address this heat thing. My wife is from Cambodia. It only dips a bit below 72 degrees in Cambodia a few nights of the year, and all the Cambodians then break out their jackets and wool hats and talk about how cold it is.   

My wife arrived in the USA three months ago, and it has just started to get a bit cold in the part of the USA where we live. She keeps turning the heat up to 78 degrees. I keep turning it down, and she pouts.   

It's very possible that Michael is respectably rich and can and does heat his house properly, and that Brazilian Juliana is turning up the thermostat to batshit crazy tropical heat settings. And then Michael goes into American Dad mode and tells his daughter to stop turning up the heat, it's wasting money.

Thank you! I was married to someone from Cote d'Ivoire and in the summer he wanted the house to be chilled by AC because it was hot outside and to be hot as hell inside because it was cold outside. I replaced the thermostat with one that had a timer and instructed the workman who installed it to not show my husband or his teenage son how to use it.

Also, I can't hate Michael because he helped raise these two adorable children. They are spunky and funny and smart. When Juliana arrived and Max said, "As you can see, we researched Brazilian culture," my heart melted. 99% of the stupid adults on these 90-Day shows don't do that!

[HunterHunted]

On 11/19/2019 at 9:37 PM, mamadrama said:

We don't know that she didn't. Maybe she did. Maybe that is why they issued her a visa. We only have his word on what went on and my guess is that it was production shennanigans trying to create conflict. Several of us have stated that those questions are standard. Since she got the visa it appears that there wasn't much of a hold up, if any.

There really isn't an argumeent as to whether or not she is "legit." That information is out there and links have been provided. She IS a model.

My feeling is that even if she were an escort, who cares? I have never been in the situation where my life and survival depended upon what men could do to my body. There is quite  bit of lowkey shaming going on surrounding her. If I feel anything for her situation, it's sadness. 

I'm copying something I actually posted about that Below Deck: Med episode 2 years ago.

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It was never said how the men know these women. However, Lauren (one of the boat's stews) talked about being an NFL cheerleader. I know that sometimes people book NFL cheerleaders and NBA dancers for events and especially for VIPs. It might progress from there for girls who seem receptive to the VIPs. NFL cheerleaders make shit money.

Lala from Vanderpump Rules got busted by the other women in the cast for missing shifts at SUR to go cruising in Italy with old dudes. It was rumored that Camille Grammer used to do some yacht companionship before she married Kelsey. These women seem more like Instagram models/party girls. They reminded me of this story in New York Magazine from a couple of years ago about semi-pro party girls.

https://www.thecut.com/2014/07/my-summer-as-a-professional-hamptons-party-girl.html  

http://jezebel.com/the-story-of-a-professional-pretty-girl-a-heros-tale-1608402275

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/actress-i-was-a-yacht-girl-blind-item.1362923/

I briefly hung with girls like this for a couple of weeks many years ago when I was young and skinny. I'm merely cute, but I'm 5'9" and have legs for days (33" inseam). I made it maybe 3 weeks with them because I had a real job as an attorney. None of those bitches was working a grown up job yet, except for one other girl. I ran into her about 6 months later at the grocery store. I asked her if she still ran with that crowd. She didn't and she only lasted 2 weeks longer than I did.

I don't think any of the girls was sleeping with any of the dudes. I kissed one guy a couple of times. He and I got along. He was decent looking and in his 30s. I would never have gone anywhere with these troglodytes who chartered the (Below Deck: Med) yacht.

I wasn't paid for my company, but I never paid for a thing during that 3 weeks. Not a drink or a meal. Those folks did things every day, which I couldn't hack because I worked. There were shopping trips. I only went on one and only after a bit of disagreement.

In hindsight, there was a woman who had known the guys longer than any of the other women. That woman introduced me and the other girl with a real job to the group. Beware the Bottom Bitch!

I don't party. I don't live in New York, LA, Miami, or Las Vegas. I'm just a regular person who lives in a regular American city that has a couple of events that bring big groups of international visitors. People are acting like it's impossible to slip into that world if you're not a sex worker. I just happened to be at a bar with people I kind of knew and one of them kind of knew the woman who pulled me in. People are acting like it was super obvious that sex was expected. It was not any more so than when guys are throwing money around trying to look like ballers. It was mostly club hopping and going to restaurants. My experience wasn't super recent, but it was less than a decade ago.

[Rt66vintage]

On 11/20/2019 at 8:29 AM, RealReality said:

Men like Michael are more problematic to me, but this is what Julianna needs to do.  I truly think she has 10-15+ years of being pretty, slim and desirable.  I see no bad habits like smoking or excessive drinking.  She seems sweet and thoughtful.  I think she could get her green card and find a man who is financially stable or well off and closer to her age who won't treat her like a sex object. 

Good luck, Julianna, in getting any alone time away from Michael, much less meeting or flirting with any men who might rescue you from this odd duck. Even when the ex-wife, Sarah, was talking to J & M, his body language was on high alert, and his eyes were steely flitting back and forth.

I don't think he would easily give up his well earned prize to another man, but if Sharp Entertainment wants to film a sequel to include a third party, I'm here for it. I'd love to see Michael squirm and connive his way around a romantic threat. 

[RealReality]

5 minutes ago, Rt66vintage said:

Good luck, Julianna, in getting any alone time away from Michael, much less meeting or flirting with any men who might rescue you from this odd duck. Even when the ex-wife, Sarah, was talking to J & M, his body language was on high alert, and his eyes were steely flitting back and forth.

I don't think he would easily give up his well earned prize to another man, but if Sharp Entertainment wants to film a sequel to include a third party, I'm here for it. I'd love to see Michael squirm and connive his way around a romantic threat. 

Ha ha, well sucks to be him because if his selling point is money and stability there are men who have more money and more stable careers. 

Wine sales is a fancy business, but it's probably even more sensitive to economic fluctuations.  There are always rich people buying wine....but maybe fewer people during an economic recession or downturn. 

I'm sure there are other professionals in Greenwich who are doctors, lawyers, accountants, c level executives, finance Bros looking to settle down in their late 30s.

[Rt66vintage]

@RealReality, yep, if Michael gives her any freedom to grocery shop or run errands, chances are she'll meet younger well-off people. I don't  believe Michael would approve of her having even a girlfriend to talk to or shop with. I think he's one of those men who will wear her out with his constant presence and neediness, which, of course, will cause her to sneak around. I'm here for the fireworks! 

[gonecrackers]

Maybe it was said here too but on Reddit someone picked up that on the show "The Nanny" with Fran Drescher the two rich, snooty people in the show were called Max & Cece (maybe a different spelling on the last one). Makes one wonder if they changed their names for the show - & if Juliana is also a nanny of sorts.

When I watch Juliana I see someone trying hard to play her role for whoever is holding the strings. I don't see someone who has an opportunity but rather, someone who is being used. I hope not, & I hope she's okay, but that's what I'm seeing.

I don't like the ex-wife either as I think she's in on it given she married them.

JMO

[mamadrama]

Juliana and Michael are married, his ex wife was their officiant and married them herself. She has been online bragging about how awesome it is to "co parent" with Julianna. My guess is that once she got her visa and they had to drop the hooker plot there wasn't anything else interesting to say so they are making things up.

My husband's name is Peter. His sister is Wendy. They were adults before their own parents saw the PETER PAN connection. Maxwell and Ceecee were characters on THE NANNY, but that could be a complete fluke.

[iwasish]

On 11/18/2019 at 11:47 PM, Mu Shu said:

Why would she need to speak English if she was sent to China? 

Yeah, she’s looking to be a doctor.. but she’s not a prostitute.  Kidnapped by her agency to lose weight? WTF is that all about. 
This girl is not looking to go to school or do anything  more strenuous than swipe Michael’s credit card and as soon as he tries to put the brakes on her spending, she’ll turn into Fernanda. 

[Mrs. Hanson]

1 hour ago, iwasish said:

Yeah, she’s looking to be a doctor.. but she’s not a prostitute.  Kidnapped by her agency to lose weight? WTF is that all about. 
This girl is not looking to go to school or do anything  more strenuous than swipe Michael’s credit card and as soon as he tries to put the brakes on her spending, she’ll turn into Fernanda. 

I hope she gets a driver's license, gets to work as a model if she wishes, makes some age appropriate friends and just enjoys life.  So far (and don't let me down, Julianna!) she is the most grounded person we have seen.  I still don't see the "in love" vibe from her towards Michael.  I think she loves him, loves what he can offer her but I am just not seeing that Zazza Zoo from her towards him.

[Frozendiva]

2 hours ago, iwasish said:

Yeah, she’s looking to be a doctor.. but she’s not a prostitute.  Kidnapped by her agency to lose weight? WTF is that all about. 
This girl is not looking to go to school or do anything  more strenuous than swipe Michael’s credit card and as soon as he tries to put the brakes on her spending, she’ll turn into Fernanda. 

Juliana would need to go to school for many years to become a doctor. Have no idea what her educational level is. Might not be in the cards for her. Michael may not want to fund her degrees/med school. That may expose to other people and give her more leverage in the relationship and make her more an equal. We'll see if he will do that - to want what is best for her, and not him. I hope he does and that it makes him a man who truly loves her. She may do school, get more modelling jobs, or ride out the time it takes to get the Green Card.

[RealReality]

1 hour ago, Frozendiva said:

Juliana would need to go to school for many years to become a doctor. Have no idea what her educational level is. Might not be in the cards for her. Michael may not want to fund her degrees/med school. That may expose to other people and give her more leverage in the relationship and make her more an equal. We'll see if he will do that - to want what is best for her, and not him. I hope he does and that it makes him a man who truly loves her. She may do school, get more modelling jobs, or ride out the time it takes to get the Green Card.

I think this is on point.  Michael doesn't want an equal.  He would and should be scared shitless that Julianna would take off if she got some financial independence.  

I feel like he might try to get her pregnant if he feels her slipping away. 

[Christina]

I realize it is cut off at the end, but her account is private and I don't follow any of them so I only see it when it's posted to other accounts and my cousin sends it to me. There were several comments that have been removed about the construction company she owns being her father's, who passed away and it is in estate right now, but no one knows what the second business is. It may be a martial arts studio. 

According to a post on Reddit, that was posted on Facebook and the rest is:

Edited November 27, 2019 by Christina
Added paragraph

[Christina]

Again, I didn't watch this video yet and I'm having connection problems because the wind is blowing. You should have heard me screeching when the power went out right before Prince took the stage to sing Purple Rain in the movie, Purple Rain. The final twenty minutes of that show continues to amaze me, especially after reading the behind the scenes of filming it .I probably put Tania to shame. 

Juliana Admits to Getting Michael Drunk When They Met | E! Red Carpet & Award Shows A language barrier and a big age difference, do the “90 Day Fiance” stars care what people think of their relationship? Hear them recall meeting for the first time.  Youtube video should follow

[Auntie Anxiety]

 The comments about my son’s weight are particularly hurtful.

I’ll say the same thing that I said to Deaven: Once you allowed your child to be filmed, you invited snark and criticism. If you want to blame someone, look in the mirror.

[merylinkid]

You don't want to be inaccurately portrayed on tv -- don't go on tv.   

After season 1 aired, no one has any excuse of "I didn't know" with this show.   It's all out there to see.    Anyone smart enough to run 2 businesses (so what if one is inherited, someone has to keep it going so the staff get paid) is smart enough to do a little google search and find out about reality shows and their manipulation.

[RealReality]

I agree that Michael's ex should have known what to expect before putting herself and her children on TV.....but I'm surprised the comments about her and Max are so negative.  

Those kids are so friendly and while Michael's ex is no Juliana I don't think she has looked horrible, but I think if FF through most of the conversation about parenting between Juliana/Michael's ex. 

 Poor Max, he is a smart and sweet little boy and at an age where....he knows that people are talking about him negatively.  

Good on Michael's ex for running a construction company!  I guess it's a double edged sword.....we got to meet two great kids and a smart and motivated woman (not just constantly screaming about being "driven" but living in a shed with no discernable job).  

[iwasish]

14 hours ago, RealReality said:

I agree that Michael's ex should have known what to expect before putting herself and her children on TV.....but I'm surprised the comments about her and Max are so negative.  

Those kids are so friendly and while Michael's ex is no Juliana I don't think she has looked horrible, but I think if FF through most of the conversation about parenting between Juliana/Michael's ex. 

 Poor Max, he is a smart and sweet little boy and at an age where....he knows that people are talking about him negatively.  

Good on Michael's ex for running a construction company!  I guess it's a double edged sword.....we got to meet two great kids and a smart and motivated woman (not just constantly screaming about being "driven" but living in a shed with no discernable job).  

Who was watching Max and CeCe when Michael was picking Juliana up at the airport? They had a whole breakfast made by themselves? No adult supervision?

I don’t think their reaction to Juliana was all that normal. I thought it over the top and a bit forced. As if they were trying to impress their father with how much they liked her. I think Michael is one of those guys who get all adolescent and junior high about their girlfriends. He probably talks about her constantly and the kids get the idea that he won’t be happy if they aren’t overly effusive with their greeting of her.  He’s another one who talks a good game about his kids being a priority, let’s see if his money is where is mouth is. 
 

[mamadrama]

11 hours ago, iwasish said:

Who was watching Max and CeCe when Michael was picking Juliana up at the airport? They had a whole breakfast made by themselves? No adult supervision?

I don’t think their reaction to Juliana was all that normal. I thought it over the top and a bit forced. As if they were trying to impress their father with how much they liked her. I think Michael is one of those guys who get all adolescent and junior high about their girlfriends. He probably talks about her constantly and the kids get the idea that he won’t be happy if they aren’t overly effusive with their greeting of her.  He’s another one who talks a good game about his kids being a priority, let’s see if his money is where is mouth is. 
 

I assumed that they were being watched by a friend/family member/babysitter who simply didn't want to sign the disclosure and appear on camera. 

[Stinamaia]

On 11/27/2019 at 9:48 PM, Auntie Anxiety said:

 The comments about my son’s weight are particularly hurtful.

I’ll say the same thing that I said to Deaven: Once you allowed your child to be filmed, you invited snark and criticism. If you want to blame someone, look in the mirror.

I think people need to be responsible for their own actions.  Just because someone is on a reality show, I’m still responsible for how I act and that is especially true for comments about children.  

[Auntie Anxiety]

1 hour ago, Stinamaia said:

I think people need to be responsible for their own actions.  Just because someone is on a reality show, I’m still responsible for how I act and that is especially true for comments about children.  

In a perfect world, perhaps that would be the case. However, since the first tv reality show was ever broadcast, it’s been clear that being on the show makes you fair game. Even when celebrities whine about the nasty comments people make about themselves or their families in response to a social media post, I have no pity for them. No one is forcing them to parade their families around. So here’s an idea: stay the fuck off social media and reality tv. If you can’t stand the heat, get out if the kitchen.

[iwasish]

 Kids have no place on reality TV. All that chatter about whether or not Juliana is or was a prostitute. That’s going to be fun for Max when his buddies start repeating  stuff their moms say at home about her. 

Michael is supposed to be some big wine investor business man. Does he really think the people he deals with are going to give him real respect when there he is on TV all sweaty and clammy, and getting calls from his quarter century younger gf bitching that her credit card was declined and admitting that she bought a car with his credit card? OH but she’s not using him for money, she’s madly in love with him. He’s making himself look a fool and I’m betting his business starts to suffer, if it hasn’t already.  And his cute sweet kids are going to get humiliated. 
 

[RealReality]

13 minutes ago, iwasish said:

 Kids have no place on reality TV. All that chatter about whether or not Juliana is or was a prostitute. That’s going to be fun for Max when his buddies start repeating  stuff their moms say at home about her. 

Michael is supposed to be some big wine investor business man. Does he really think the people he deals with are going to give him real respect when there he is on TV all sweaty and clammy, and getting calls from his quarter century younger gf bitching that her credit card was declined and admitting that she bought a car with his credit card? OH but she’s not using him for money, she’s madly in love with him. He’s making himself look a fool and I’m betting his business starts to suffer, if it hasn’t already.  And his cute sweet kids are going to get humiliated. 
 

This is part of the reason why I'm suspicious about Michael's "wealth"

It just seems odd that a guy with real money would put himself on this particular shit show.  You need only view any of the past seasons to know that you will probably be shat on if you're a participant. 

But I'm pretty surprised that people are taking a dump on Max.  Those kids presented themselves well and were not poorly edited.  

I really feel for Max, I'm sure he is sensitive about his weight and so this HAS to hurt him.  Even if the comments are aimed at his mothers parenting....he is at an age where he will take those comments to heart.  Drascilla was bratty, but those kids are so sweet.  I'm really surprised.

[watchingtvaddict]

2 hours ago, RealReality said:

I really feel for Max, I'm sure he is sensitive about his weight and so this HAS to hurt him.  Even if the comments are aimed at his mothers parenting....he is at an age where he will take those comments to heart.  Drascilla was bratty, but those kids are so sweet.  I'm really surprised.

People hate on participants just to hate. You can have the cleanest, most flattering edit and people will still find something to criticize. 
I personally find Max hilarious and he reminds me of Joe Machi. 

[blubld43]

8 hours ago, RealReality said:

But I'm pretty surprised that people are taking a dump on Max.  Those kids presented themselves well and were not poorly edited.  

I really feel for Max, I'm sure he is sensitive about his weight and so this HAS to hurt him.  Even if the comments are aimed at his mothers parenting....he is at an age where he will take those comments to heart.  Drascilla was bratty, but those kids are so sweet.  I'm really surprised.

I'm disgusted. None of these kids chose to be on television, their parent(s) did.  IMO kids' physical appearance is off limits, and what kind of adult wants to slam a kid anyway?!

[AZChristian]

8 hours ago, RealReality said:

It just seems odd that a guy with real money would put himself on this particular shit show.  

This popped a thought into my head (at 6 am and just on my first cup of coffee, that - in and of itself - is a miracle).

The ex (head of a construction company and - IIRC - also with another job) has a very large home.  Michael lives in a dump of an apartment (Eric-ish dumpy).  Makes one wonder WHO has the money in that former marriage.  

Nothing about Michael's day-to-day appearance screams that he has money and is used to having it.  Show-off stuff like renting an ostentatious, but classless, stretch Hummer, spending (supposedly) $4,000 on an ugly necklace, and driving a fancy sports car (which can be rented by the day) . . . none of this proves that he is wealthy.  It just proves that he at least has enough credit to rent vehicles.

Not believing Michael.

[merylinkid]

2 hours ago, AZChristian said:

This popped a thought into my head (at 6 am and just on my first cup of coffee, that - in and of itself - is a miracle).

The ex (head of a construction company and - IIRC - also with another job) has a very large home.  Michael lives in a dump of an apartment (Eric-ish dumpy).  Makes one wonder WHO has the money in that former marriage.  

Nothing about Michael's day-to-day appearance screams that he has money and is used to having it.  Show-off stuff like renting an ostentatious, but classless, stretch Hummer, spending (supposedly) $4,000 on an ugly necklace, and driving a fancy sports car (which can be rented by the day) . . . none of this proves that he is wealthy.  It just proves that he at least has enough credit to rent vehicles.

Not believing Michael.

That's interesting.   I wonder if he married money, then started the "wine business" as a vanity project to keep him busy while the wife really supported the family.   Now they are divorced, he is trying to keep up appearances.   

[Auntie Anxiety]

1 hour ago, merylinkid said:

That's interesting.   I wonder if he married money, then started the "wine business" as a vanity project to keep him busy while the wife really supported the family.   Now they are divorced, he is trying to keep up appearances.   

You know, that makes a lot of sense to me and would explain their behavior. Michael seems like he’s a beta male and goes along with whatever the ex-wife wants because she’s the one with the money and he’s beholding to her. 

[LilaFowler]

I can't respect anyone who allows their minor children to be filmed for a trashy reality show like this. Both Michael and his "saint" (pfft) ex are both losers. You want to blast your pathetic love life all over the world forever, that's your business. Keep your kids off the show.

[Boston]

2 hours ago, LilaFowler said:

I can't respect anyone who allows their minor children to be filmed for a trashy reality show like this. Both Michael and his "saint" (pfft) ex are both losers. You want to blast your pathetic love life all over the world forever, that's your business. Keep your kids off the show.

100% agree.  I feel bad for those children.  On another note.. I think gross Michael should go to the Martone's (UNPOLISHED) for a new haircut.. man, he's a mess

[Boston]

17 hours ago, RealReality said:

This is part of the reason why I'm suspicious about Michael's "wealth"

It just seems odd that a guy with real money would put himself on this particular shit show.  You need only view any of the past seasons to know that you will probably be shat on if you're a participant. 

But I'm pretty surprised that people are taking a dump on Max.  Those kids presented themselves well and were not poorly edited.  

I really feel for Max, I'm sure he is sensitive about his weight and so this HAS to hurt him.  Even if the comments are aimed at his mothers parenting....he is at an age where he will take those comments to heart.  Drascilla was bratty, but those kids are so sweet.  I'm really surprised.

My youngest brother was chubby when he was about that age (back then no one made fun or bullied him).  He grew up and is a normal, smart (like Max) great guy (even my other brothers made fun of him "mama's boy", etc.  How dare people judge children.  Max  (and CeCe) are the smartest, most eloquent speakers for their age.  More power to them.

On 11/18/2019 at 6:29 PM, blubld43 said:

Thank you. 

Juliana seems very young, I do wonder how much education she had. I'd be impressed if Michael encouraged her to go to college here, he can afford to pay for it. 

Originally, Michael said she had no education; yet when he talks about her he always says how "smart" she is.. I kinda doubt that.  She can get an education here.. but I doubt he will let her.

[Christina]

Max is what, twelve? Pfft, He's going to grow five inches two weeks after the purchase of new school clothes and thin out. You can set a calendar by it. He also plays football and the family is involved in martial arts. 

Adults who have no problem commenting negatively to a youngster about their weight or looks are the same people who have no problem saying shit to anyone else about anything else, especially when they can do it online and not face-to-face. The fact that it's not right means nothing to them, because their opinion needs to be heard by everyone and maybe the twelve year old doesn't realize he weighs more than the asshole thinks he should. Those people are always going to be around and if they are going to put their child on the show, there should be a long conversation about how they will receive negative attention about anything and everything, including their looks and their parents. 

Max and Cece are awesome but the parents had to know people would not be kind. If it wasn't Max's weight, it would have been the fact his dad's new wife is young and making allegations that Max and his friends are going to be crushing on her. It happens every season. This show is not a documentary and everyone after Season 2 knows it. 

11 hours ago, AZChristian said:

The ex (head of a construction company and - IIRC - also with another job) has a very large home.  Michael lives in a dump of an apartment (Eric-ish dumpy).  Makes one wonder WHO has the money in that former marriage.  

I snipped for space. Sarah certainly seems to come from money through her father. She is dating a man who is a musician, and Sarah has referred to the music company as her business, but I was reading that she explained on her Instagram (which was private and I don't follow but looks like it's no longer private) that she was using it to give attention to her boyfriend's music and people thought she was saying she didn't have an involvement in the production company.

I'm only pointing it out because I think she probably supported Michael, his wine hobby turned career, and is now supporting her boyfriend's music career. Maybe Michael took his assets from the divorce and bought some expensive toys and partied with the yachters, but maybe doesn't have a large income. He purchased a house that was over $1 million, it was posted somewhere, so his "broke" isn't mine, but I don't think he's as wealthy as he is trying to come across. 

And I don't know why in the world he wanted to be on this show. Showing off his new wife and advertising for his wine company, I guess, but if the business was so great, this wouldn't add anything positive. I also suspect, based on nothing, that Sarah is hoping to bring attention to her boyfriend's music and maybe an episode in the future, like Michael and Juliana's wedding, will be introducing him.