S10.E03: Count Your Blessings

[Sew Sumi]

The tech wrote the sex on the screen. Since Jessa has shown toddler genius Spurgie reading, he must not have seen it. Right? 😂

[Mojitogirl]

Another 15 min watch, another yuck reaction to JD and Abbie. Every time he opens his mouth it feels so dirty and he always seems to be crowding Abbie to be all over her. Plus dumb, he seems so dumb. And Abbie comes off so dull, her voice so flat. I thought maybe she would breathe some life into this family. 

[Absolom]

Ratings down .08 from last week:  1.117 M viewers and a .25 rating.

[Sew Sumi]

Good.

[Churchhoney]

2 hours ago, Absolom said:

Ratings down .08 from last week:  1.117 M viewers and a .25 rating.

They've dropped from week to week to week. I like that trend. 

[Gemma Violet]

There's no way I would have slept in that ice house.  I'd be worried the whole night that I'd get frostbite on my nose.  I guess the toes and fingers would be OK in the sleeping bag.

[Jeanne222]

On 10/29/2019 at 8:30 PM, madpsych78 said:

The ice hotel is legitimately interesting.

ETA: An Anna sighting! But why was she there, without any of her own kids?

They are slowly returning JB, Michelle and tonight Anna slid in!  They are introducing them to see if the public scales tip!  If there's no complaining you can bet Josh will make an appearance before the season is over.

 Everybody's Back on the payroll!!!  Ugggg.

[Temperance]

2 hours ago, Absolom said:

Ratings down .08 from last week:  1.117 M viewers and a .25 rating.

A lot of people were probably watching the World Series. I was. 

[Sew Sumi]

2 minutes ago, Temperance said:

A lot of people were probably watching the World Series. I was. 

That's not a concern in the Mountain and Pacific time zones unless you have a four hour game. 😁

[GeeGolly]

I agree with you all. Michelle saying here today and gone tomorrow was tasteless and heartless. To me it doesn't matter how Mary took it. It's not something you say in front of anyone experiencing serious health problems. I believe Michelle said something similar when telling the kids she miscarried Jubilee.

I was surprised/not surprised at Kendra's comment about how when she goes to her family's home she gets a break from Garrett. And her family lives with a baby nearly the same age as Garrett.

I agree with the other poster who commented on  Jessa and Anna becoming close. They must be at the TTH all the time. I'm thinking Josh and family sleep in one of the guest houses like a bunk house, but 'live' in the TTH.

[becca3891]

21 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Because half a Smuggar kid's DNA belongs to Josh?  So TLC can't let them on the air? 😁

They've shown Josh and Anna's kids many times on Counting On post Josh scandals, though. It's just Josh they have kept hidden all this time.

19 hours ago, Barb23 said:

The get together between Kendra, Jessa & Jinge at Jessa's was very awkward.  They seemed like random mothers talking in the pediatrician's waiting room than sisters talking. You would think best buds Jinge & Jessa would have been talking nonstop since they hadn't seen each for awhile.

I don't often defend them, but the "conversations" that they film are quite staged and they sometimes have to do multiple takes. I hope for their sakes that they're more comfortable with each other off camera.

[MMLEsq]

On 10/29/2019 at 9:10 PM, Annb67 said:

Jesus! Lauren needs freaking help. This is ridiculous. I truly believe she has a mental issue. Please, get this girl help. Pronto!

I watched trying very hard not to be judgmental, but it's hard, so hard.  I had two miscarriages -- including one the very first time I was able to get pregnant at age 37 after months and months of trying, taking my temperature everyday, using an ovulation monitor, etc., -- but I still don't understand feeling like life isn't worth living.  You're right....that's a mental issue.  I certainly would never tell people that I have three children -- with two of them in heaven -- but then again I was never in a competition to see if I could have more children than anyone else I know. 

Lauren apparently posted this on IG:  “Many of yall don't know this, but a couple of months ago we found out we were expecting, however, soon after we miscarried. At first, we kind of wanted to just stay quiet about the news, but knew that since everyone is anticipating for us to announce that were having a baby, we felt like it was time that we told everyone that our first and only baby is in heaven. It is hard to hear when people asks us if we are expecting, when we only recently lost our baby. You can imagine it was devastating to the both of us.

Our expectations of setting up a baby room, hearing the heart beat, feeling the baby's first kick in mommys tummy, holding our little one and getting to to see our precious baby were - Shattered. Gone. Right before our eyes. Even though our sweet child is no longer with us, it is such a comfort to know that one day we will get to see our baby in Heaven!"

They apparently never even heard a heartbeat (makes me suspect she might have had a blighted ovum -- when the fertilized egg doesn't grow into an embryo). There's a reason why they say you should wait to announce you're expecting until you're safely through the first trimester.  That's the problem with having the ability to use an early pregnancy detector at home....in the old days, many women might not have even been aware they were pregnant in the first place. 

And, I get it's their culture, but how rude of people to ask if they're expecting.    

Edited October 31, 2019 by MMLEsq

[Jeeves]

30 minutes ago, MMLEsq said:

They apparently never even heard a heartbeat (makes me suspect she might have had a blighted ovum -- when the fertilized egg doesn't grow into an embryo). There's a reason why they say you should wait to announce you're expecting until you're safely through the first trimester.  That's the problem with having the ability to use an early pregnancy detector at home....in the old days, many women might not have even been aware they were pregnant in the first place. 

As far as we can tell, she was at a very early stage of pregnancy - IMO if she hadn't been peeing on a stick every few hours she might not have even known she was pregnant when she miscarried. It wasn't like she conceived and got far enough along to expect to hear a heartbeat - but didn't, and then miscarried. I know, I'm not totally comfortable about judging here - but the girl has carried on so long and so hard about this, that it's gone beyond ridiculous into disturbing.

I'm sorry you had those losses and glad you were able to have a baby; you sound like a mature and sensible person. And as you said, you weren't "in a competition to see if I could have more children than anyone else I know."
 

Edited October 31, 2019 by Jeeves
typo

[louannems]

In the Asa memory box,  where Lauren saved her pee stick, I glimpsed a book or video titled Five Weeks.  I'm guessing that was how far along she was.

Edited October 31, 2019 by louannems

[Tikichick]

Similar to @ Twopper, I look at Lauren's situation a bit different.  She's very young, in many ways younger than her years because of her stunted, stifled upbringing.  She and her husband didn't marry because they wanted the objects of matrimony for their own sake, but simply to satisfy expectations placed upon them because neither one of them knows anything else.

In her mind she fulfilled her end of the bargain by marrying and conceiving.  That the result wasn't a baby in her arms is inconceivable.  She clearly is lost and seriously depressed and trying to make sense out of the concept of being depressed.  She actually didn't say she's looking at other people's depression and whatever -- she said that's how she had viewed it and her situation has made her understand how it feels.  

I've found her Asa routine plenty eyeroll worthy and now I find it sadder that she's basically a child grappling with a situation she has no idea how to come to terms with -- and can't even rely on her own mother and certainly not MOTY to give her support and some guidance about how it is possible to grieve and remember, but come out from the darkness.  

Kendra seems to have very good instincts about being thoughtful with others in a way that is alien to Duggar thinking.  If it was indeed her idea for the visit with grandma to happen at her house for grandma's comfort, that's some fairly mature empathy.  I did find it unusual that Kendra was mostly out of sight for the segment however after being so gracious.  Wouldn't be surprised to find she's been made very aware it's all really JB's, so she's actually more like a guest in the family's eyes. 

[Twopper]

4 hours ago, louannems said:

In the Asa memory box,  where Lauren saved her pee stick, I glimpsed a book or video titled Five Weeks.  I'm guessing that was how far along she was.

She saved the stick?? 

I'm dead.

[nytonc]

On 10/30/2019 at 8:25 AM, Churchhoney said:

Because half a Smuggar kid's DNA belongs to Josh?  So TLC can't let them on the air? 😁

They’ll be putting the molester back on the show at some point,  just like they did with Ma and Pa Enabler. If I have to see/hear Michelle talk about her switch to modest clothing (while showing the pic of her in shorts) one more time I’ll vomit. Have they ever shown pics of her mowing the lawn and forcing her neighbor to cover her body in her bikini?

I am happy to see Jinger breaking away from the horde more. The family probably has daily prayer sessions over her apostasy. 

[Pingaponga]

I don't think Lauren is narcissistic so much as extremely, extremely immature. I would have hoped that a year of marriage would have helped her to mature, but that doesn't appear to be the case. She reminds me of my 14-year-old niece.

Kendra has always seemed much more mature than her - and she's only about a year older, right?

I actually found it refreshing to hear her talk about how difficult it was to keep Garrett entertained. She reminded me of me and my friends when our kids were babies/toddlers. Yes, everyone tells you it will be hard to find the time to make dinner or fold the laundry. And you know that intellectually. But when you are actually the parent of a baby/toddler it still comes as somewhat of a shock. And heck - she was being honest! I'm not sure I've ever heard any of the Duggar daughters talk honestly about what it's like to be a new parent. It's hard. Even when you know what to expect, it's hard.

[sATL]

In the preview for next week.  jessa/Ben takes Henry to see someone about not meeting milestones.  how come it's ok to see out a specialist for speech on a 2 yr old and not for Lauren to see a specialist about her depression?

[GeeGolly]

3 minutes ago, sATL said:

In the preview for next week.  jessa/Ben takes Henry to see someone about not meeting milestones.  how come it's ok to see out a specialist for speech on a 2 yr old and not for Lauren to see a specialist about her depression?

17 reasons came to mind, the first one being, Jessa wants to be featured on the show. The second one is, Lauren wasn't depressed she was grieving. Another one is the Duggars make up the rules as they go along.

I'll spare you all the other 14 reasons.

[sATL]

10 hours ago, louannems said:

In the Asa memory box,  where Lauren saved her pee stick, I glimpsed a book or video titled Five Weeks.  I'm guessing that was how far along she was.

That's all? It was kinda a big box..very carefully decorated  on a couple of sides. Ode to Asa Duggar...

I wonder how does Si really feel about this extended mourning...he's  hot and heavy ready to answer nature's sex  call and she's walking around in a fog... I mean they are still  newlyweds..

Edited October 31, 2019 by sATL

[Sew Sumi]

Lauren acknowledged depression on this past episode.

eta: Lauren also had that Mommy in the Making tee shirt in the box. It was the shirt she wore to announce her pregnancy.

Edited October 31, 2019 by Sew Sumi

[GeeGolly]

22 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Lauren acknowledged depression on this past episode.

eta: Lauren also had that Mommy in the Making tee shirt in the box. It was the shirt she wore to announce her pregnancy.

Folks say they're depressed all the time. That word, along with anxiety in a true pathological sense are misused all the time. I'm guessing Lauren's symptoms did not meet the criteria for depression.

[Oldernowiser]

34 minutes ago, sATL said:

I wonder how does Si really feel about this extended mourning...he's  hot and heavy ready to answer nature's sex  call and she's walking around in a fog... I mean they are still  newlyweds..

I suspect he’s not as hot to tango as one would think...at least not with her. He may be just fine with it.

And as much as it seems to be overlooked, she’s pregnant again.

ETA: Oh, hell, I forgot about the games they play with time. So I’m guessing that on the television episodes right now they’re all pretending she isn’t pregnant?

Edited November 1, 2019 by Oldernowiser

[awaken]

 To be fair, it doesn’t look like she said they heard a heartbeat, they were just disappointed that their expectation of hearing the heartbeat wasn’t going to happen 

“Our expectations of setting up a baby room, hearing the heart beat, feeling the baby's first kick in mommys tummy, holding our little one and getting to to see our precious baby were...”

[Nysha]

14 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I was surprised/not surprised at Kendra's comment about how when she goes to her family's home she gets a break from Garrett. And her family lives with a baby nearly the same age as Garrett.

This makes sense to me. Not only is Garrett their first grandchild, her family is large, not humongous like the Duggars. And it doesn't sound like the babies were handed off to the older kids at 6 months so her parents could go make a new blessing. When she goes there, Garrett is a precious blessing and everyone wants to love on him. When she goes to the TTH, Garrett is just another number in their never-ending quest for offspring. JB & Michelle probably couldn't pick him out of a group of toddler boys if their lives depended on it.

[sATL]

19 minutes ago, Nysha said:

This makes sense to me. Not only is Garrett their first grandchild, her family is large, not humongous like the Duggars. And it doesn't sound like the babies were handed off to the older kids at 6 months so her parents could go make a new blessing. When she goes there, Garrett is a precious blessing and everyone wants to love on him. When she goes to the TTH, Garrett is just another number in their never-ending quest for offspring. JB & Michelle probably couldn't pick him out of a group of toddler boys if their lives depended on it.

Doesn't Garrett have an aunt/uncle caldwell that is very close in age? Ie a playmate? Or was that Lauren mom who just had a baby..

I think motherhood has made kendra lose some of her giggles.

Edited November 1, 2019 by sATL

[Sew Sumi]

20 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Folks say they're depressed all the time. That word, along with anxiety in a true pathological sense are misused all the time. I'm guessing Lauren's symptoms did not meet the criteria for depression.

She talked about how she cried daily and had a hard time making it through each day. I forget her exact wording, but it definitely sounded like depression to me. I've been diagnosed, and my husband was hospitalized earlier this year, so I am pretty good at spotting depression when I see signs of it. 

Let's see how Lauren does after the baby is born. Will she be ecstatic or keep mentioning Asa and have symptoms of PPD?

[Temperance]

56 minutes ago, Nysha said:

This makes sense to me. Not only is Garrett their first grandchild, her family is large, not humongous like the Duggars. And it doesn't sound like the babies were handed off to the older kids at 6 months so her parents could go make a new blessing. When she goes there, Garrett is a precious blessing and everyone wants to love on him. When she goes to the TTH, Garrett is just another number in their never-ending quest for offspring. JB & Michelle probably couldn't pick him out of a group of toddler boys if their lives depended on it.

Kendra's parents now have a baby son who is younger than Garrett. 

[Oldernowiser]

5 minutes ago, Temperance said:

Kendra's parents now have a baby son who is younger than Garrett. 

😳

[Sew Sumi]

And there's speculation that Christina is pregnant again.

[GeeGolly]

4 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

She talked about how she cried daily and had a hard time making it through each day. I forget her exact wording, but it definitely sounded like depression to me. I've been diagnosed, and my husband was hospitalized earlier this year, so I am pretty good at spotting depression when I see signs of it. 

Let's see how Lauren does after the baby is born. Will she be ecstatic or keep mentioning Asa and have symptoms of PPD?

I hope your and your husband are managing great. Depression is a tough battle.

I've been a therapist for years and actually diagnose (and treat) folks for a living. I would never diagnose someone I've haven't done a comprehensive assessment on. And maybe Lauren has been diagnosed with depression, maybe she was grieving or maybe she is a bit of a drama queen.

Having feelings is what humans do. Most feelings are not out of the range of typical human behavior. Feelings of sadness, and feelings of nervousness happen, but it doesn't mean someone is depressed or has an anxiety disorder.

Anyway, with Lauren being relatively young, not mentioning any previous struggles with depression and factoring in her miscarriage, I think the most likely diagnosis a provider might offer would be Adjustment Disorder.

I hope for her sake, she's a drama queen. For many folks, once the depression switch has been turned on it can become chronic. Lauren has her whole life ahead of her and I wouldn't wish any chronic disorder on anyone, Duggars included.

[madpsych78]

Well, it's November, so we should be encountering a bunch of posts in this next month regarding Kendra, Lauren, and Anna's deliveries! Since they are all due this month!

If this episode occurred in approximately February, then Lauren may not have known yet she was preggo. If anything she would have likely barely conceived with Josiah.

Edited November 1, 2019 by madpsych78

[SabineElisabeth]

On 10/29/2019 at 8:20 PM, ThinkerBell said:

Her comment about other people's depression, "All I think, is whatever", says everything I need to know about her. 

THIS, times 1000.  And seriously?  It's awful enough she's an insufferable, self-absorbed bitch, but you'd think she'd at least have the common sense not to flippantly broadcast it to the world.

23 hours ago, Tikichick said:

She actually didn't say she's looking at other people's depression and whatever -- she said that's how she had viewed it and her situation has made her understand how it feels.   

Kendra seems to have very good instincts about being thoughtful with others in a way that is alien to Duggar thinking. 

I honestly doubt her assertion that she's been transformed into someone who now empathizes with those experiencing sorrow/depression, frankly.  While she might now have the ability to put herself in someone else's shoes, truly empathizing with others also requires that you have the desire to actually give two shits about somebody other than yourself.  If she is a changed person now,  that's great, but it's hard to just forget that level of ugliness...  and IMHO, she's almost certainly just as ugly on the inside now as she's always been;  she's just learned some one liners that she's throwing out to try and sound like she isn't.

On 10/30/2019 at 5:42 PM, Mojitogirl said:

Another 15 min watch, another yuck reaction to JD and Abbie. Every time he opens his mouth it feels so dirty and he always seems to be crowding Abbie to be all over her. Plus dumb, he seems so dumb. And Abbie comes off so dull, her voice so flat. I thought maybe she would breathe some life into this family. 

I like John David.  I really do.  And it's great to see him so happy.  But I totally agree that something about their over-the-top, cheesy lovey dovey whatever shit just kind of grates.  And while I don't at all dislike Abbie, she does seem quite.... well, dumb.

On 10/30/2019 at 5:05 PM, Twopper said:

I will admit to enjoying the trip to Finland. 

I really look forward to the honeymoon episodes because I always love some good travel porn.

14 hours ago, Pingaponga said:

Kendra has always seemed much more mature than her - and she's only about a year older, right?

#teamkendra  Not that Kendra is exactly Einstein, to be fair, but her Emotional IQ (just learned that term this week 😋) is in a different stratosphere than the rest of them.  She (and Joe) are def the most enjoyable couple to watch.  🙂

[Twopper]

28 minutes ago, SabineElisabeth said:

I like John David.  I really do.  And it's great to see him so happy.  But I totally agree that something about their over-the-top, cheesy lovey dovey whatever shit just kind of grates.  And while I don't at all dislike Abbie, she does seem quite.... well, dumb.

I do, too.  I think he would rather not be on tv,  but now he's married being on the show will get him a free honeymoon in Finland (I enjoyed the travelogue) and extra $$ for his soon to be growing family.   I don't think Abby is particularly dumb or smart; I think she just finds filming very awkward unlike some of the others who seem to be camera hogs.

33 minutes ago, SabineElisabeth said:

Not that Kendra is exactly Einstein, to be fair, but her Emotional IQ (just learned that term this week 😋) is in a different stratosphere than the rest of them.  She (and Joe) are def the most enjoyable couple to watch.  🙂

I like them, too.  I think Joy and her husband are ok, but that's probably because I have seen so little of them compared to everyone else.

[Natalie68]

On 10/31/2019 at 7:16 AM, Tikichick said:

Similar to @ Twopper, I look at Lauren's situation a bit different.  She's very young, in many ways younger than her years because of her stunted, stifled upbringing.  She and her husband didn't marry because they wanted the objects of matrimony for their own sake, but simply to satisfy expectations placed upon them because neither one of them knows anything else.

In her mind she fulfilled her end of the bargain by marrying and conceiving.  That the result wasn't a baby in her arms is inconceivable.  She clearly is lost and seriously depressed and trying to make sense out of the concept of being depressed.  She actually didn't say she's looking at other people's depression and whatever -- she said that's how she had viewed it and her situation has made her understand how it feels.  

I've found her Asa routine plenty eyeroll worthy and now I find it sadder that she's basically a child grappling with a situation she has no idea how to come to terms with -- and can't even rely on her own mother and certainly not MOTY to give her support and some guidance about how it is possible to grieve and remember, but come out from the darkness.  

Kendra seems to have very good instincts about being thoughtful with others in a way that is alien to Duggar thinking.  If it was indeed her idea for the visit with grandma to happen at her house for grandma's comfort, that's some fairly mature empathy.  I did find it unusual that Kendra was mostly out of sight for the segment however after being so gracious.  Wouldn't be surprised to find she's been made very aware it's all really JB's, so she's actually more like a guest in the family's eyes. 

I found myself turning into a bastard lacking sympathy last night watching this.  So I tried to have some empathy for Lauren.  She drove me effin nuts.  What I am left with is she is SO young, not just in years, but maturity that she has not had many personal challenges and is SO ill prepared for life she cannot bounce back like a normal person.  Normal people can put things in perspective, be sad, but look at it rationally.  She is young, fertile, has lots of years left to have kids.  She needs to look at her blessings rather than her challenges.  Life is going to throw a lot of challenges her way and she cannot react this way every time.  I wish these girls would get some more experience in life before having children.  

[Natalie68]

2 hours ago, SabineElisabeth said:

THIS, times 1000.  And seriously?  It's awful enough she's an insufferable, self-absorbed bitch, but you'd think she'd at least have the common sense not to flippantly broadcast it to the world.

I honestly doubt her assertion that she's been transformed into someone who now empathizes with those experiencing sorrow/depression, frankly.  While she might now have the ability to put herself in someone else's shoes, truly empathizing with others also requires that you have the desire to actually give two shits about somebody other than yourself.  If she is a changed person now,  that's great, but it's hard to just forget that level of ugliness...  and IMHO, she's almost certainly just as ugly on the inside now as she's always been;  she's just learned some one liners that she's throwing out to try and sound like she isn't.

I like John David.  I really do.  And it's great to see him so happy.  But I totally agree that something about their over-the-top, cheesy lovey dovey whatever shit just kind of grates.  And while I don't at all dislike Abbie, she does seem quite.... well, dumb.

I really look forward to the honeymoon episodes because I always love some good travel porn.

#teamkendra  Not that Kendra is exactly Einstein, to be fair, but her Emotional IQ (just learned that term this week 😋) is in a different stratosphere than the rest of them.  She (and Joe) are def the most enjoyable couple to watch.  🙂

I just had a seminar on this as well last week.  HA!  I was impressed with Kendra.  She seems MUCH more balanced and mature than Lauren for sure but also more sensible than many.  

[yogi2014L]

Agree Kendra is lightyears ahead of the Duggars in terms of being considerate/polite/good host

I wonder if Kendra hates the TTH. I know I particularly had a very low tolerance for noise, mess, kids and chaos whehn my daughter was a baby. I wouldn't have wanted my kiddo there either. 

I also think that Joe must be less than helpful with the baby, which I find pathetic. I don't think he works full time so there really is no excuse for poor kendra to have to go to her mom's house to get a break. And even if he DID work full time like most parents, he should still parent when he IS home. 

Joe- stop being a dick and be a hands on dad. 

[Normades]

13 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Having feelings is what humans do. Most feelings are not out of the range of typical human behavior. Feelings of sadness, and feelings of nervousness happen, but it doesn't mean someone is depressed or has an anxiety disorder.

This is so true.  I have an anxiety disorder and sometimes it really bothers me when I say I have it and other people say they do too, when, in fact, they have not been clinically diagnosed and are dealing with normal feelings.  I get it that anxiety sucks, but having a true clinical disorder is a whole different ballgame.  Every human being gets anxious and depressed at one time or another, real anxiety and depression are truly horrible.  

That said, I hope Lauren truly doesn't have real clinical depression.  I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

[xwordfanatik]

2 hours ago, yogi2014L said:

Agree Kendra is lightyears ahead of the Duggars in terms of being considerate/polite/good host

I wonder if Kendra hates the TTH. I know I particularly had a very low tolerance for noise, mess, kids and chaos whehn my daughter was a baby. I wouldn't have wanted my kiddo there either. 

I also think that Joe must be less than helpful with the baby, which I find pathetic. I don't think he works full time so there really is no excuse for poor kendra to have to go to her mom's house to get a break. And even if he DID work full time like most parents, he should still parent when he IS home. 

Joe- stop being a dick and be a hands on dad. 

Great post.  Joe seems easygoing enough to be of help with his own kids, and shame on him if he doesn't do anything around the house.

[xwordfanatik]

1 hour ago, Normades said:

This is so true.  I have an anxiety disorder and sometimes it really bothers me when I say I have it and other people say they do too, when, in fact, they have not been clinically diagnosed and are dealing with normal feelings.  I get it that anxiety sucks, but having a true clinical disorder is a whole different ballgame.  Every human being gets anxious and depressed at one time or another, real anxiety and depression are truly horrible.  

That said, I hope Lauren truly doesn't have real clinical depression.  I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Me too.  I don't like Lauren from what's been shown on TV, but having been diagnosed years ago with major depression, it sucks.  Luckily I believe in treatment, and I still take a low dose antidepressant every day.  My mother had it, so it may have a genetic tendency.  My daughter is aware she may develop it, but so far, so good.  

[ginger90]

There’s a big difference between being depressed, and depression.

[Natalie68]

4 hours ago, yogi2014L said:

Agree Kendra is lightyears ahead of the Duggars in terms of being considerate/polite/good host

I wonder if Kendra hates the TTH. I know I particularly had a very low tolerance for noise, mess, kids and chaos whehn my daughter was a baby. I wouldn't have wanted my kiddo there either. 

I also think that Joe must be less than helpful with the baby, which I find pathetic. I don't think he works full time so there really is no excuse for poor kendra to have to go to her mom's house to get a break. And even if he DID work full time like most parents, he should still parent when he IS home. 

Joe- stop being a dick and be a hands on dad. 

If she grew up in a normal home where people ate normal meals at normal times, cleaned, didn't lick plates IN PUBLIC, had manners, spoke in indoor voices, didn't have a sex pest around, I can see why she would hate it.  I think that house has the smell of a janky day care center.  Peanut butter mixed with dirty diapers, with a bunch of kids with green eleven's.  Yes I have seen such a place.

Uh, that's wimmin's work.  My Mormon cousins were like that.  My male cousin wouldn't even stop his child from a potential Darwin Award maneuver, he had to call his wife over to deal with her son.  

Edited November 1, 2019 by Natalie68

[FizzyPuff]

On 10/30/2019 at 10:22 PM, Sew Sumi said:

The tech wrote the sex on the screen. Since Jessa has shown toddler genius Spurgie reading, he must not have seen it. Right? 😂

Ahh I didn’t notice this, just shows how much attention I was paying 😁

[becca3891]

On 10/31/2019 at 8:10 PM, sATL said:

Doesn't Garrett have an aunt/uncle caldwell that is very close in age? Ie a playmate? Or was that Lauren mom who just had a baby..

I think motherhood has made kendra lose some of her giggles.

I suspect that she made a conscious effort to stop the giggling once she watched herself onscreen and realized that's how she sounded. It was probably an eye-opener!

On 10/31/2019 at 8:17 PM, Sew Sumi said:

She talked about how she cried daily and had a hard time making it through each day. I forget her exact wording, but it definitely sounded like depression to me. I've been diagnosed, and my husband was hospitalized earlier this year, so I am pretty good at spotting depression when I see signs of it. 

Let's see how Lauren does after the baby is born. Will she be ecstatic or keep mentioning Asa and have symptoms of PPD?

I truly pity any woman in the "Trust God with the size of your family" lifestyle who has PPD. Apparently Terri Maxwell went through it time after time and never took medication either. 

[Sew Sumi]

In the case of Teri (Griselda) Maxwell, she blamed her depression on an addiction to Pepsi. I wonder if she drinks coffee these days? But yeah, from her own writing, it's clear she suffered from PPD, yet kept having Reversal kids. 

It will be interesting to see how Lauren goes.

[becca3891]

21 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

In the case of Teri (Griselda) Maxwell, she blamed her depression on an addiction to Pepsi. I wonder if she drinks coffee these days? But yeah, from her own writing, it's clear she suffered from PPD, yet kept having Reversal kids. 

It will be interesting to see how Lauren goes.

I just read Teri's blog entry about depression. She didn't actually blame it on Pepsi; she was actually intelligent enough to admit that it was a hormonal imbalance. But despite that, she and Steve agreed that they wanted God to heal her, so she took no medication. The Pepsi "addiction" was a whole separate thing (also linked below) where she decided it was becoming an idol.

https://articles.titus2.com/tag/depression/

https://articles.titus2.com/nothing-between/

Edited November 3, 2019 by becca3891

[Sew Sumi]

Thanks for the correction. It's been a while since I have read her blogs on the subjects. 😵

[Angeltoes]

That was not a true four-generation picture they took.  Generation photos are supposed to show a chain of life - each person created the next person in the chain.  Grandma Dugger (R.I.P.) didn't give birth to Michelle.  For it to be a true four-generation picture, JB should have been in it instead of Michelle.  I hope they actually took a picture like that before Grandma died.