Season 21 Live Feed Discussion

[Lamima]

5 hours ago, mooses said:

This is why you don't stick with a Showmance who also won enough competitions to stay in power for a straight month. 

I want to piggyback off of this to say it's also why we shouldn't say 'it's too soon to make a big move and break up a showmance'. It's never too soon.

[Lady Calypso]

2 hours ago, kz5 said:

Unfortunate that Nicole could not win when she had to win, but it just goes to show the player she was all along. For 80 days she couldn't win anything.  The BB Comics success and the two gift HOHs got her way too much credit from fans and overconfidence in herself.  imo

Well, to be fair, she wasn't straight out handed that first HOH. Yes, Cliff slowed down for a few seconds, but Nicole was always ahead anyway AND Tommy was copying her and almost beat her since she missed her first shot. 

But yeah, unfortunately, the one thing Nicole needed to do was win this competition, so she lost, fair and square.

[peachmangosteen]

5 hours ago, Brian Cronin said:

I think that the vote is really up in the air.

Which makes me at least not absolutely dreading the finale. I do love an unpredictable vote, even if it's 2 people I don't like lol.

Let me speculate jury votes again because I love wasting my time! Jessica and Kat are locks for Holly imo. Jack is a lock for Jackson and, in turn, so is Analyse I think. I think there's a solid chance Jack influences Tommy. I also think Nick is possibly influenced by Jack. Although maybe since Nick is fucking Kat he might go her way. But honestly I see Nick voting for Jackson. I would think Christie would vote the way Tommy does but I think Christie is probably heavily leaning towards Holly so I don't know. Cliff and Nicole, I'm unsure about. But honestly I think they'll both vote Jackson in the end, unfortunately. And thinking on it some more, I think Jessica is more like an 80% lock for Holly. She always did inexplicably love Jackson and, you know, he wasn't able to work out so everything he did was justified.

Right now, I think the vote goes:

Jackson: Jack, Analyse, Nicole, Cliff, Nick
Holly: Kat, Jessica, Christie

And I just don't know with Tommy. 

In general, I think Jackson definitely has the edge and I think he'll end up winning, but I'm hoping the bitterness will overtake Cliff and Tommy and that they'll both go Holly's way.

I just wanna see Jackson lose, dammit!

As for AFP, I'm still gonna vote for Kemi in the off chance that she can sneak into 3rd place over Cliff/Tommy. But I think Nicole is a lock for the win, with Cliff and Tommy rounding out the Top 3, which ugh.

[Ellee]

@Figster  I really really hated the way the Gr8ful alliance acted towards the others.  The treatment, actions, their egos ... everything.  Should my focus be on a few people in that group?  Possibly but none of the others stopped it. In some cases, they even joined in. 

Nicole and Cliff escaped.  

From that point on I wanted both of them to make it to the end. I hoped they’d make it to the end or ‘finish what they started.’

So the ‘finish what you started’ was more for me wanting them to win. Hoping they would win.

Usually I don’t care who wins.  This year I did. 

ETA:  I know it’s a game and my views this year are not treating it that way.  Have I mentioned that I really really hated the big alliance?  😁

Edited September 22, 2019 by Ellee

[peachmangosteen]

Even though I think she actually has a better chance against Jackson (as someone pointed out upthread), the fact that she believes she has a better chance against Nicole but is gonna take Jackson anyway is just. Oh, sweetie.

[Lady Calypso]

14 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Right now, I think the vote goes:

Jackson: Jack, Analyse, Nicole, Cliff, Nick
Holly: Kat, Jessica, Christie

And I just don't know with Tommy. 

I'm thinking something almost similar.

But I think Tommy would give his vote to Jackson. 

I think Cliff's vote could go either way. I do lean toward him voting for Jackson to win, but he WAS really salty about what Jackson did. Plus, Jackson was clamoring for his vote while he walked out the door AND Cliff had to hear Jackson's nasty goodbye message. Cliff COULD feel a bit vengeful and not follow through with giving Jackson his vote. But Cliff is also a superfan, so that's why I think he could easily vote for Jackson to win, in order to not be a bitter juror.

But yeah, it's a bit up in the air for Cliff's vote. 

I think Christie's vote is also not set in stone, especially when she sits down to discuss it with Tommy. I think Christie could vote for Jackson as well. Christie's a lot of things, but it's hard for me to see her as a bitter juror. 

So, I do think Jackson still wins in a Jackson vs Holly F2. 

[peachmangosteen]

I agree with all that, @Lady Calypso.

There really are a lot of votes up in the air (Tommy, Christie, Cliff, even Jessica), but I do think in the end Jackson will get enough of them to win and I can easily see him getting all/most of them. The vote could easily be 8-1 for Jackson, as @Brian Cronin (I think) said.

If Jessica really is the roundtable host, I'm hoping maybe the fact that she'll push fro Jackson means some of them will go Holly's way lol.

[Tuxcat]

1 hour ago, Lady Calypso said:

I'm thinking something almost similar.

But I think Tommy would give his vote to Jackson. 

I think Cliff's vote could go either way. I do lean toward him voting for Jackson to win, but he WAS really salty about what Jackson did. Plus, Jackson was clamoring for his vote while he walked out the door AND Cliff had to hear Jackson's nasty goodbye message. Cliff COULD feel a bit vengeful and not follow through with giving Jackson his vote. But Cliff is also a superfan, so that's why I think he could easily vote for Jackson to win, in order to not be a bitter juror.

But yeah, it's a bit up in the air for Cliff's vote. 

I think Christie's vote is also not set in stone, especially when she sits down to discuss it with Tommy. I think Christie could vote for Jackson as well. Christie's a lot of things, but it's hard for me to see her as a bitter juror. 

So, I do think Jackson still wins in a Jackson vs Holly F2. 

I do think Jackson will take Holly and vice versa, even though Nicole has ample room to play with their minds and campaign the heck out of this.

I don't think Jackson is a lock for the win against either one of them. His goodbye message to Cliff was so arrogant and off-putting. He plays this holier than thou attitude. He did it with Jack too. "How dare you burn me!" "Don't complain when I burn you!" Nicole was right when she said that she would respect him more if he simply said "I played you - it's a game." I could see the jury being really turned off by his speech. This current tack he's on is not likable.  -- Plus don't discount the power of Kat -- she is already campaigning for Holly and she is effective.

[Growsonwalls]

Noooo! I went to sleep manifesting a Nicole win and woke up seeing that there was no manifestation. The good news is that on Wednesday I have to go review dance (I'm a dance critic IRL) and so I won't be frantically checking my phone during intermission to see who won Part 3.

ETA: Apparently Nicole said this last night:

"I'm going to walk out with my bag and the stool. When Julie asks why I have the stool, being all alone, I'll let her know it's because I fucked myself."

Edited September 22, 2019 by Growsonwalls

[missyb]

I think Julie pointed out to Cliff in her interview, why be four steps ahead when what you need to to just get to the next step. I think Cliff almost got a smack in the head from Julie's cards for keeping the showmance in. And severely underestimating Holly and overestimating a handshake. For goodness sakes, she is his showmance.
He will regret this move for a long long time. And at least, Nicole will get credit for contemplating to break them up.

Edited September 22, 2019 by missyb

[missyb]

[Growsonwalls]

See I think Nicole will vote Jackson. The reason is that Nicole has accepted the fact that her game has been fucked since Tommy was evicted. Then when Jackson won veto she accepted it even more. So she's sort of had two weeks to accept "win or go home." Plus she has a fairly good relationship with Jackson and her relationship with Holly is pretty distant now.

[iMonrey]

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It seems to pretty much be a done deal that Jackson wins BB21.

I knew that six weeks ago. 

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I think that the vote is really up in the air.

No it isn't. Jackson wins hands down.

[Brian Cronin]

2 hours ago, Figster said:

Okay, that's cool.  Well, it's looking like Nicole will likely win AFP, so that would be a victory in and of itself.

"Me? America's Favorite? ME? Nicole? Is this for real? Are you sure? No! Really? Me?" (crumbles to the ground, crying) "Really? Me? No way! Me?"

[Never Again]

2 minutes ago, Brian Cronin said:

"Me? America's Favorite? ME? Nicole? Is this for real? Are you sure? No! Really? Me?" (crumbles to the ground, crying) "Really? Me? No way! Me?"

“Dammit!”

[Brian Cronin]

Just now, Rbonnie said:

“Dammit!”

Oh, we'll be getting that nonstop when they air parts 1 and 2 of the final HOH.

[hhawks]

The last few seasons the dominant player has ended up with second place.  Paul lost two years in a row, and then Tyler lost last year.  Even in Celebrity BB, if I remember correctly, Ross was dominant but lost to Marissa.  Don't underestimate the power of a bitter jury.  It would be entertaining to see Snackson lose to Holly.

ETA:  I meant Snackson losing to Beth,

Edited September 22, 2019 by hhawks

[Lady Calypso]

4 minutes ago, Brian Cronin said:

"Me? America's Favorite? ME? Nicole? Is this for real? Are you sure? No! Really? Me?" (crumbles to the ground, crying) "Really? Me? No way! Me?"

It's funny, because you typed this and my first thought was "I wish we got a reaction to AFP that was the complete opposite of this."

And then I remembered that we have. And his name was Cody.

[Never Again]

3 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

It's funny, because you typed this and my first thought was "I wish we got a reaction to AFP that was the complete opposite of this."

And then I remembered that we have. And his name was Cody.

Party of one here but I loved that 

[LGGirl]

Yeah.  But the last few juries did not vote for good game play.  They voted with their emotions.  Paul <ugh> and Tyler really played the best game overall.  Yet, the more social and liked player won.  

Jury management matters.   I don’t think Jackson has really done a good job at that while steam rolling through the game.  It’s been obvious he’s been production’s pet.  That may not sit well with the existing jurors.  

[missyb]

To me, Nicole has been my favorite player of the season. Watching an awkward, clearly different from your average Big Brother HG, come in and navigate her way to the end was very very entertaining for me.

I liked her verbalization of what she was thinking and I have laughed out loud at her trolling of Jackson the past couple of days.

If she does collapse on the floor with a "me, no, me" I would understand it. That doesn't happen in her world. And if it does in this world, more power to her and those that follow.

She has been my favorite houseguest, by far.

Edited September 22, 2019 by missyb

[Vixenstud]

3 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

Even though I think she actually has a better chance against Jackson (as someone pointed out upthread), the fact that she believes she has a better chance against Nicole but is gonna take Jackson anyway is just. Oh, sweetie.

Gotdamn, Grandma Beth....is the watermelon dick that good?!!

[Tuxcat]

1:30 AM BBT Holly and Michie are lounging in the WA. They discuss how her makeup rubs off on him all the time. She tells him that her makeup does that because he makes out with her so aggressively. Michie "I do not. It's because you wear so much. I go to give you a little peck and come away with a second face." Holly "That is a lie. Tell America that is a lie" Holly goes on to say that she wears her makeup naturally. She used to wear a ton of makeup..

What an adorable couple...

[zorak]

4 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Holly goes on to say that she wears her makeup naturally. She used to wear a ton of makeup..

If she thinks that's a "natural" look, I'd hate to see what she was doing before.

[Callaphera]

10 hours ago, Brian Cronin said:

That's assuming she'd be able to beat him head to head. Has she won a comp OVER Jackson this year? 

Pose In Ivy, aka the FALL IN YOUR PEEEEEEE comp. #neverforget #fallinyourpee 

1 hour ago, Lady Calypso said:

It's funny, because you typed this and my first thought was "I wish we got a reaction to AFP that was the complete opposite of this."

And then I remembered that we have. And his name was Cody.

Cody Nickson: "...*blink* *blink*... *blink*..."

[Lady Calypso]

6 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

Cody Nickson: "...*blink* *blink*... *blink*..."

Cody Nickson: This doesn't make any sense.

[Callaphera]

6 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Cody Nickson: This doesn't make any sense.

I would have died if he had said, "Hold that thought," and walked off stage with the prize. Heh. 

[Brian Cronin]

Remember when Nicole and Cliff formed a three-person alliance with them and an evicted houseguest? 

Nicole is darn lucky to have gotten this far. 

Also, Cliff first got evicted because he was overheard talking about how his plan to break up couples. So he then got evicted for NOT breaking up a couple. There's a certain irony there. 

[missyb]

Just now, Brian Cronin said:

Also, Cliff first got evicted because he was overheard talking about how his plan to break up couples. So he then got evicted for NOT breaking up a couple. There's a certain irony there. 

True words !! He didn't listen to enough RHAP ( robs podcast) or any other alums.

 Never keep a showmance !!

[LGGirl]

11 minutes ago, missyb said:

Never keep a showmance !!

I think that’s just plain common sense. 

But ...  but ... there was a hand shake. 

As much as I’m sure Nichole would want to walk away as the winner, I think her winning AFP will make a bigger impact on her since she is such a fan on the show.  

[Callaphera]

8 minutes ago, LGGirl said:

As much as I’m sure Nichole would want to walk away as the winner, I think her winning AFP will make a bigger impact on her since she is such a fan on the show.  

Nah, that's just what you tell yourself when you walk away with $25K instead of $500K. 

[Brian Cronin]

7 minutes ago, LGGirl said:

I think that’s just plain common sense. 

But ...  but ... there was a hand shake. 

As much as I’m sure Nichole would want to walk away as the winner, I think her winning AFP will make a bigger impact on her since she is such a fan on the show.  

"Being AFP has a greater impact than winning the game" DOES sound like something Nicole would try to convince herself.

[mooses]

9 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

Nah, that's just what you tell yourself when you walk away with $25K instead of $500K. 

Exactly like Cliff's, "At least I'm walking out with my honor," diatribes pre-eviction.

[Gemma Violet]

I think being AFP will mean more to Nicole than it would mean to any other house guest.  I'm assuming she's not the belle of the ball in real life.  May have gotten picked on at school, etc.  I don't watch the feeds--maybe she's talked about her life.  I just get that impression from her.  Telling her the viewers love her the most out of all the house guests, I think, would be monumental to her.  Yeah, I'm sure she'd rather win, but this is a very nice consolation prize.

[Growsonwalls]

It actually wouldm't surprise me if Holly told the jury to vote for Jackson.

[Brian Cronin]

Oh,  of course, if you don't win the game (or even come in second), then of course you want to win AFP. So yes, she'll be very happy about it.

She'll do the whole Sally Field Oscar routine. 

[Callaphera]

Hey, if it makes you feel better, tell yourself whatever you need to. But just know that you're the only one who actually believes it. 

AFP is a consolation prize that the fans award to the least objectionable person. Or the person who went up against the Big Bad the whole season (in Cody's case). Sometimes it means we like you, sometimes it means that we just didn't hate you as much as the other HGs. But it's still a consolation prize. 

[LGGirl]

5 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said:

It actually wouldm't surprise me if Holly told the jury to vote for Jackson.

Well, Holly is a good little brainwashed soldier.  

How great it would be if she did win the final HOH and took a Nichole?   That would ensure her the win.  

[Ellee]

35 minutes ago, Brian Cronin said:

"Being AFP has a greater impact than winning the game" DOES sound like something Nicole would try to convince herself.

giggling here .... it is, it is!  Something I’m telling myself too.  Regardless of if she does win it or not, I think she did herself well. Her demeanor, her sense of humor.  I’m betting she has a lot of opportunities after this.  

[lasu]

Hi!  I hope y'all will excuse me just jumping straight in the kool aid, but I wouldn't have a clue where to try to dig back to find out the answer for myself.  Did Jack and Analyse having sex in shower show on the live feeds?  There is a sex tape of it on a porn site, and another poster said it would have to be a fake, that they hired actors to do it.  I can't fathom why anyone would go to the effort of putting together a fake version of it, especially when it's terribly quality footage.  I had just assumed it aired on the feeds as it was happening live, someone recorded it, and then it ended up on a porn site.  I'm 99% certain it's really them and it's real footage from the Big Brother house, but not I'm questioning if a someone who works at BB actually leaked it versus a live feeder.

Any answers are most appreciated!

[zorak]

19 minutes ago, lasu said:

Hi!  I hope y'all will excuse me just jumping straight in the kool aid, but I wouldn't have a clue where to try to dig back to find out the answer for myself.  Did Jack and Analyse having sex in shower show on the live feeds?  There is a sex tape of it on a porn site, and another poster said it would have to be a fake, that they hired actors to do it.  I can't fathom why anyone would go to the effort of putting together a fake version of it, especially when it's terribly quality footage.  I had just assumed it aired on the feeds as it was happening live, someone recorded it, and then it ended up on a porn site.  I'm 99% certain it's really them and it's real footage from the Big Brother house, but not I'm questioning if a someone who works at BB actually leaked it versus a live feeder.

Any answers are most appreciated!

I know the first time they did it, you could hear them going at it in the shower.  The camera shot was such that you couldn't actually see them having sex but you could hear it.  The HOH shower is a popular sex spot with them because unlike the regular bathroom, you aren't really going to be visibly seen on camera with someone in the shower.

[LoveLeigh]

1 hour ago, LGGirl said:

Well, Holly is a good little brainwashed soldier.  

How great it would be if she did win the final HOH and took a Nichole?   That would ensure her the win.  

Holly wants to keep her "boyfriend" after the show more than she wants to win. She will do anything to keep her delusional dream alive. 

[Gummo]

34 minutes ago, DakotaLavender said:

2 hours ago, LGGirl said:

Well, Holly is a good little brainwashed soldier.  

How great it would be if she did win the final HOH and took a Nichole?   That would ensure her the win.  

Holly wants to keep her "boyfriend" after the show more than she wants to win. She will do anything to keep her delusional dream alive. 

🤮🤮🤮🤮

[Never Again]

33 minutes ago, DakotaLavender said:

Holly wants to keep her "boyfriend" after the show more than she wants to win. She will do anything to keep her delusional dream alive. 

So stupid on so many levels.  Nvm the obvious, basic normal idea of winning for yourself.  Just in terms of her trying to hold on to this prize of a guy.  It’s not enough that you’re long distance, and the age difference...you want him to walk out of the house with hundreds of thousands of dollars, yeah that’s going to make him less attractive to other women lol

[Growsonwalls]

Despite all the on-camera and off-camera hooking up this year this cast has some of the most conservative viewpoints on male-female relations.

Jess - says it's her duty to keep quiet and go along with whatever her husband wants, no matter how much she disagrees

Cliff - thinks a "gentleman's handshake" is more valuable than a locked in F2 deal with Nicole and a pretty locked-in F3 deal with Tommy

Holly - thinks it's her "duty" to blindly follow her in-house bf who already pre-friendzoned her outside the house

Jackson - thinks both of his hookups should "support" him moving onto newer shinier things. Kat needed to "support" him hooking up with Holly, Holly needs to "support" him being her "instagram ex" outside the house

They really should have cast some of the Duggars in this house.

[Brian Cronin]

2 hours ago, lasu said:

Hi!  I hope y'all will excuse me just jumping straight in the kool aid, but I wouldn't have a clue where to try to dig back to find out the answer for myself.  Did Jack and Analyse having sex in shower show on the live feeds?  There is a sex tape of it on a porn site, and another poster said it would have to be a fake, that they hired actors to do it.  I can't fathom why anyone would go to the effort of putting together a fake version of it, especially when it's terribly quality footage.  I had just assumed it aired on the feeds as it was happening live, someone recorded it, and then it ended up on a porn site.  I'm 99% certain it's really them and it's real footage from the Big Brother house, but not I'm questioning if a someone who works at BB actually leaked it versus a live feeder.

Any answers are most appreciated!

It's at least theoretically possible that there is a camera in that room that doesn't air on the feeds that is still on that someone could then leak to a porn site, but I find that a bit hard to believe (as it would be really easy to track, right?). Otherwise, as noted before, the sex in the HoH shower didn't air on the feeds. 

That said, the sex that Jackson and Holly had ALSO didn't make the feeds because it was above the covers, so we know that there IS footage of that out there, so actually, I think I'm coming around to the possibility that it is legit. 

[ByaNose]

This is the one time I don’t want the Finale to be 90 minutes long. I would be okay with a quick hour. Either way, Jackson will get his grubby little hands on that $500,000. I am beside myself. This was the worst possible outcome. In the end, I blame Cliff for voting Tommy out. It’s not like Cliff or Nicole still would have won but it would have lessen the odds of Jackson getting to the he Finals.....I think. 

[LoveLeigh]

1 hour ago, ByaNose said:

This is the one time I don’t want the Finale to be 90 minutes long. I would be okay with a quick hour. 

I intend to tune in for the last 15 minutes only when the votes are read nd the winner is announced. 

[PaperTree]

The football is finally over  in Philly.  Episode won't start until 8:45 EDT

[Callaphera]

2 hours ago, Growsonwalls said:

Despite all the on-camera and off-camera hooking up this year this cast has some of the most conservative viewpoints on male-female relations.

And yet all of those don't add up to an Aunt Sam.