S11.E03: It's a Clam Shame

[film noire]

On 3/22/2019 at 4:00 PM, heavysnaxx said:

"The feral Ramona is indigenous to coastal Long Island..(snip only for space)

....by the time I got to "ursula apologia, I was snort-laughing - thank you for cracking me up  (and  "dachshund-like stubborness" describes Ramona perfectly ; ) 

On 3/22/2019 at 11:59 AM, Maximona said:

it's also true that vaginal mesh has been implicated in a lot of horrifying complications. 

Yes --  but removal is tricky and  the legal financing firms involved (not just LawCash) were using doctors in Florida doing multiple "check in check out" procedures a day.  Many women ended up not only with unnecessary surgery, but surgery that led to horrific complications (one woman was left in diapers). LawCash (and their ilk) treat the female body like a cash-making venture -- it's disgusting and should be illegal, imo.  

Back to the episode: I think Bethenny grieving-on-camera is such a  joyless addition to the season. 

Whatever her private feelings, her public display is off-putting, imo (and not good for the show).  If she's mourning one man -- while wearing his engagement ring -- it's bizarre to me she would already be on the hunt for a guy (and again, bringing it up on the show).  She isn't Jill Shields (mourning the death of a 30 year relationship with a long time companion by her side) or Jill Zarin (mourning a loving, enduring marriage throughout a long illness, and then months after) and talking about that journey.  Less than four weeks after burying her fiancee, Frankel is eating  fish -- finned, unfinned, who fucking knows? -- with a fresh manz, snapping her fingers at the waitress to bring her a Skinnygirl cocktail with that rock on her finger.  Jesus.  

And  I blow hot and cold on Ramona,  but when it comes to physical mockability, Frankel can look every bit as freaky as Ramona (or any of these women) and I'm not sure what glorious image Bethenny has of herself that allows her to feel free to make fun of another woman (as if she, Bethenny,  possessed the physical grace and beauty of a ballerina). 

Has Frankel never seen herself on camera?  Never seen herself crying, blowing her nose, talking with her mouth full -- and talking around a mouth full of spit (god I hate it when she does that) -- cuz I sure have. And it's every bit as mockable as anything Ramona has physically done on camera. 

Edited March 27, 2019 by film noire

[smores]

9 hours ago, Rap541 said:

I don't particularly love this practice either but I understand that a lot of people recommend it as a way of the potential new parent acknowledging that there will be a different relationship with the child. Kind of a "I'm not marrying just your mom, I'm marrying the family" gesture.

I was a kid who grew up in a blended family.  It's nice to be acknowledged as a part of the new relationship, because when your parent marries, you do become a family.  It is a huge change for a kid and having some sort of acknowledgement of that from the adults helps to smooth the path.  Less of a happening to you, more of a "you're a part of this thing we're all creating" if that makes sense.

8 hours ago, Maximona said:

Ramona's clambake yellow shoes!!!!!!  OmyGAWD.

When she brought them out on the previous episode, and Sonja was like "I'd like those in black" I was initially thinking that Ramona had somehow maybe spray painted them that color.  They were awful.

8 hours ago, Gem 10 said:

I agree with you on thr Dennis relationship. I don’t believe they would have married.  He was her sound board and advisor with benefits.  My sister in Florida is begging me to take that liquid cannabis thru the dropper that all the people are lining up at the health store to get.  I have pain every day from back surgeries, sciatica, etc.  I am afraid to take it as it might interfere with my other medications for thyroid, stomach, blood pressure, etc.  How much meds can the body take?  I don’t even know if it’s legal here and I wouldn’t even ask my doctor.  Anybody here can say it works?

I would definitely talk to your dr.  Also do your research.  I don't know a lot about CBD oil, but I have read that it's pretty much unregulated and many of the various ones have been tested and not all of them contain what they have been advertised to contain.  So it's definitely a thing where you want to be very careful what you are buying and where you are getting it from.

[Gem 10]

1 hour ago, film noire said:

....by the time I got to "ursuala apologia, I was snort-laughing - thank you for cracking me up  (and  "dachshund-like stubborness" describes Ramona perfectly ; ) 

Yes --  but removal is tricky and  the firms involved (not just LawCash) were using doctors in Florida doing multiple "check in check out" procedures a day.  Many women ended up not only with unnecessary surgery, but surgery that led to horrific complications (one woman was left in diapers). LawCash (and their ilk) treat the female body like a cash-making venture -- it's disgusting and should be illegal, imo.  

I think Bethenny grieving-on-camera is such a  joyless addition to the season. 

Whatever her private feelings, her public display is off-putting, imo (and not good for the show).  If she's mourning one man -- while wearing his engagement ring -- it's bizarre to me she would already be on the hunt for a guy (and again, bringing it up on the show).  She isn't Jill Shields (mourning the death of a 30 year relationship with a long time companion by her side) or Jill Zarin (mourning a loving, enduring marriage throughout a long illness, and then months after) and talking about that journey.  Less than four weeks after burying her fiancee, Frankel is eating  fish -- finned, unfinned, who fucking knows? -- with a fresh manz, snapping her fingers at the waitress to bring her a Skinnygirl cocktail with that rock on her finger.  Jesus.  

And  I blow hot and cold on Ramona,  but when it comes to physical mockability, Frankel can look every bit as freaky as Ramona (or any of these women) and I'm not sure what glorious image Bethenny has of herself that allows her to feel free to make fun of another woman (as if she, Bethenny,  possessed the physical grace and beauty of a ballerina). 

Has Frankel never seen herself on camera?  Never seen herself crying, blowing her nose, talking with her mouth full -- and talking around a mouth full of spit (god I hate it when she does that) -- cuz I sure have. And it's every bit as mockable as anything physical Ramona has done on camera. 

I never saw Bethenny use a tissue or blow her nose.  She snorts it back up.

Edited March 23, 2019 by Gem 10

[Gem 10]

Now I’m really pissed.  Here they all are taking care of Luann .. even fighting with each other over keeping her healthy.  Meanwhile, the “canary” is going to sing (talk) up at Foxwoods, to a big audience, probably with her daughter and who knows who else.  How brilliant.  Maybe the Count will be there too.  Who knows who’s next.  Maybe Lady GaGa.  The list could be endless.  Soon, she will buy her yacht to go up the river Hudson and laugh all the way to the bank, and nobody will be talking to each other because of her.

[Rubyslippahz]

Huh, so Barbara is not going away, is she. 

Luann was fully reverting to Class with the Countess mode.   Now she is out of drunk desperate bride to divorcee mode.  I'm confused about the house upstate, is this a much more modest abode than the one she was trying to get 6 mil to buy during her intervention incident?

Sonja can be so funny, I love how they cut to her when someone said something about sex addicts.  But her Little Mermaid long hairstyle this season is not as flattering as some of her past looks. 

Dorinda never misses a chance to point out what a comedown John is after the late lamented Richard.  Think that at least some of her inchoate rage and clear unhappiness is due to that.  

Tinsley is fab.  I was afraid when she joined the cast she was going to be Kelly Bensimon 2.0 but she is rather lovely.   I wish Scott would stop jerking her around. Totally rewound the preview scene with Dale and the Tabitha Simmons shoes like 5 times.   

[howiveaddict]

11 hours ago, Maximona said:

That is very true. However, if Dennis Shields actually had his personal assistant carry around friggin' Narcan, I think there's a good chance that Shields was using opioids recreationally.

I've had a patient tell me that his pain specialist gave him a prescription for  narcan, to have on hand.  This guy was not using the drugs recreationally.  It's sometimes best to be proactive.

[LibertarianSlut]

On 3/21/2019 at 6:30 PM, sasha206 said:

https://www.brides.com/story/bethenny-frankel-engaged-to-dennis-shields

Is this the same ring?  I thought the one we saw on the show was pear shaped?

[howiveaddict]

8 hours ago, Gem 10 said:

If anyone tries it, please let me know.  How bad could it be if CVS carries it?

We buy our CBD oil from a local health food store. It is made from Marijuana, but not the THC part.  It does help, but it's unclear on dosing to me.  I also have some CBD pain cream.  Now hemp oil from Amazon I would not recomend, not as effective.  You just need to read up on CBD and the benefits form it.  Some brands are better than others.  

Unfortunately my backwards state has decided to not make medical marijuana legal.  I live in Indiana and Illinois has it and Kentucky is trying to pass it.  I truly believe in it's benefits. I plan on retirement of using marijuana whether legal or not.  I am a nurse and am subject to random drug testing at my job so can't now.

[ButterQueen]

On 3/21/2019 at 10:01 PM, JennyMominFL said:

Not everyone who overdoses is an addict. Not everyone who regularly takes opioids is an addict. My husband has chronic pain. He had an aortic dissection in 2007, that thing that killed John Ritter, and which kills the majority of people who have it. My husband lived but spent 3 months in the hospital and developed compartment syndrome. He almost lost his leg. He had a dozen or so surgeries for it including skin grafts. As a result he lives in chronic pain,

      Without opiods on a daily basis he  would be in a ball on the bed crying, Believe me. Ive seen it. He has had 2 neurostimulaters put in his back to help with pain, to helpfully get him off of meds. Both failed after about a year. Now they want to do a third surgery. He’s been on everything, morphine, fentanol, oxy, methadone. Currently its oxycodone. As his doctor says he is drug dependent, not an addict. He has a physical need need for the meds and has physical symptoms if he doesnt take him, but there is no mental need or desire for the drugs.  But does it matter? My greatest fear(and his) is that he  will accidentally overdose. It wont be because he’s stupid, or an addict. It will be because he is in a lot of pain and just wants one full nights sleep for the first time in 12 years, or because he forgets that he already took his meds. If he dies people will just see him as another stat in the opioid epidemic?

And these new laws? I think they might kill him too. If he gets denied his meds eventually, if they cut him off, I honestly dont think he could live with the pain. I think he would kill himself. People with chronic pan are already doing this. I dont know what caused Dennis’s death, but Im not willing to just label him a stupid drug addict.

I understand your husband’s position so much. In 10 years, I haven’t been stupid.  People who don’t live with chronic pain don’t really understand.  I send all my gentle hugs to you and your DH.  I get it, I do.  

[ButterQueen]

15 hours ago, Mondrianyone said:

For anybody who thought Sonja's lacy cover-up was cute (and I did, but also oddly familiar), I can possibly save you about $73 and change off the Sonja Morgan Original price.

I spend too much time on ebay.

All yours for $6.19, with free shipping. 

(This is the same dress, yes?)

I might order it.  I’m 99% sure it won’t look like that.  Ebay and Amazon is loaded with scammers these days.  It probably wouldn’t fit anyone over 85 pounds.

[HunterHunted]

9 hours ago, politichick said:

I have always loved Sonja because she is kindhearted and doesn't have a vicious bone in her body.

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9 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

So, were they thinking Lu could borrow money from Dennis? Or just get financial advice from him? Lu could borrow $6M from him, and then she’d be on the hook to pay him back $12M+?

7 hours ago, biakbiak said:

I would think if that was the case he would make that legally possible by getting a divorce.

Knowing Dennis' business practices Luann would have wound up owing Dennis at least $18 million. I've always been curious about why Dennis and Jill hadn't even filed for divorce. I've thought there were financial and legal (criminal) reasons they stayed married. So I wonder if Luann was going to Dennis for some not entirely legal assistance.

Bethenny is lucky that Jill Shields isn't as tacky as she is because the engagement ring is actually the property of Dennis' estate. An engagement ring is a gift given in consideration of marriage. If the marriage doesn't occur, the ring usually returns to the giver. Furthermore, Dennis never even took any active steps to indicate that he was planning on marrying Bethenny; these would be steps like FILING FOR DIVORCE. And Bethenny never even accepted his proposal. So Bethenny is busy flashing this engagement ring for a marriage to which she never agreed to a man who could not marry her. That's a deep and abiding love and lifelong commitment.

The ring Dennis gave to Bryn...is Bryn's because it's a regular gift.

[HunterHunted]

12 hours ago, Maximona said:

That is very true. However, if Dennis Shields actually had his personal assistant carry around friggin' Narcan, I think there's a good chance that Shields was using opioids recreationally.

1 hour ago, howiveaddict said:

I've had a patient tell me that his pain specialist gave him a prescription for  narcan, to have on hand.  This guy was not using the drugs recreationally.  It's sometimes best to be proactive.

It's actually considered a best practice to prescribe naloxone (narcan) when you prescribe opioids. Many states have open naloxone prescriptions so that anyone can walk into a pharmacy and get it because you never know when someone might overdose on opioids. 

[ButterQueen]

13 hours ago, Gem 10 said:

 Talking about drugs .. True story.  After spine surgery, my husband was given 120 Vicodin.  He took one, got dizzy and didn’t want them.  We took them to the Police Station and threw them in a bin they have for unwanted drugs.  Would you believe.

Spine surgery is very painful....I know.  Your husband’s doctor had no idea he would become sick from pain meds.  That’s when you have your doctor list that drug as having an allergic reaction, then try something else.  I can’t imagine your husband going cold turkey with nothing for pain.  I’m not sure your husband’s doctor did anything wrong.

[ButterQueen]

13 hours ago, Maximona said:

That is very true. However, if Dennis Shields actually had his personal assistant carry around friggin' Narcan, I think there's a good chance that Shields was using opioids recreationally.

Um, I have Narcan.  It is required by my doctor to get my prescriptions, and I am not a recreational user.  Never have been.  

Obviously something went very wrong, but I feel bad he died so young.  

[ButterQueen]

13 hours ago, Maximona said:

That is very true. However, if Dennis Shields actually had his personal assistant carry around friggin' Narcan, I think there's a good chance that Shields was using opioids recreationally.

While it is certainly true that vaginal mesh removal is the new mesothelioma in terms of pie-eyed litigation attorneys looking for their chunk of multimillion-$$$$$ settlements, it's also true that vaginal mesh has been implicated in a lot of horrifying complications. 

But enough socially aware commentary!

Ramona's clambake yellow shoes!!!!!!  OmyGAWD.

And I still love Dorinda.  What is up with these Housewives bitches?  My own rule of thumb for evaluating the behaviors of friends in general is that you average behavior over the amount of time that you've known somebody.  So, if one of your friends is acting badly, but that friend has a history of being kind and supportive over many years, you cut them slack on the recent misbehavior.

For years, Dorinda was nothing but kind and supportive to LuAnn.  Even if Dorinda had acted badly in recent months—and I don't actually think she did—her years of kindness should over-ride that.

My dad died from lung cancer/mesothelioma due to working around asbestos.  He was very young.  That settlement took care of my mom until she died recently.  I’m very grateful for the settlement.

I did not get Ramona’s ugly ass yellow shoes either.  I cannot stand her.  Taking all that food was just horrible.

Loved Tinsley’s open back red sweater with the white sports bra underneath.  She knows how to dress.

I’m not on Lu or Dorinda’s side.  They both abuse alcohol and need to stop drinking.  They could use this to support each other.  I will take pretentious Lu over raging Dorinda any day.  I rewatched the CLIP episode, and was so embarrassed for her, not to mention how she spoke to Sonja at that dinner party.  Lu may be enjoying her show a bit much, but Dorinda appears completely miserable.

I am so bored with this season, and Barbara just irritates me to no end.  She’s just too much.

[geauxaway]

Oh, you can totally date and fuck a married man, but to be engaged to one?  Yah, no.  Good luck with that.  Flash that ring around, he is dead now.  All this is heresay.  Don’t be dragging that around, admit he was your fuck boi, you called it a gray area.  He OD’d and died.  You can’t marry a man who is still married.  I don’t doubt he loved B, but you can’t marry someone who is married.

Edited March 23, 2019 by geauxaway

[Rap541]

1 hour ago, HunterHunted said:

Bethenny is lucky that Jill Shields isn't as tacky as she is because the engagement ring is actually the property of Dennis' estate. An engagement ring is a gift given in consideration of marriage. If the marriage doesn't occur, the ring usually returns to the giver.

Really if we're going to make this argument then really how many people who get rings return the rings in the event of the giver *dying*. 

Jill would be the one looking tacky as fuck if she decided she, as Dennis's wife (with the boyfriend on the side) really needed to go after Bethenny for the engagement ring Dennis gave her years after the separation. I mean really, who demands the engagement ring back when the gifter dies?

[smores]

I guess I could see if it was a family heirloom, but otherwise, it's a gift that Dennis gave to Bethenny while he was alive so it's Bethenny's.  If the fact that they weren't formally engaged makes the engagement ring part of the estate, then why stop there?  Why not go after any other gift that he gave to her?  What did she get for her last birthday?  It seems to me that if Dennis was ok with her keeping the ring while the state of the relationship was up in the air, then he wanted her to have it, otherwise he'd have taken it back and told her he'd give it back when she decided.  

My ring is a family ring, although it happens to be from my side of the family.  But, pretending it came from my husband's side, if something were to happen to us, of course I'd give it back, because it's his family's property and it sentimental to them.  I wouldn't give back any other jewelry I was given, though, that was purchased just for me.  

[biakbiak]

10 minutes ago, smores said:

guess I could see if it was a family heirloom, but otherwise, it's a gift that Dennis gave to Bethenny while he was alive so it's Bethenny's.  If the fact that they weren't formally engaged makes the engagement ring part of the estate, then why stop there?  Why not go after any other gift that he gave to her?  What did

I can’t imagine anyone ever thought of it to make it in issue with the ring Bethenny got but there is tons of case specific law as it relates to  engagement rings that is different than gifts because it is overlaps with contract law vs a gift. It’s crazy fascinating and tons of articles have been written. 

Edited March 23, 2019 by biakbiak

[HunterHunted]

12 hours ago, Rap541 said:

Really if we're going to make this argument then really how many people who get rings return the rings in the event of the giver *dying*. 

Jill would be the one looking tacky as fuck if she decided she, as Dennis's wife (with the boyfriend on the side) really needed to go after Bethenny for the engagement ring Dennis gave her years after the separation. I mean really, who demands the engagement ring back when the gifter dies?

My point is that Jill would be tacky to ask for it back. However, Bethenny is kind of tacky to flash it. As to who asks for the ring back, we wouldn't have such extensive case law on the issue if didn't happen and it does happen. If Dennis' kids had been estranged from him because of Bethenny, they might have asked for the ring.

9 hours ago, smores said:

I guess I could see if it was a family heirloom, but otherwise, it's a gift that Dennis gave to Bethenny while he was alive so it's Bethenny's.  If the fact that they weren't formally engaged makes the engagement ring part of the estate, then why stop there?  Why not go after any other gift that he gave to her?  What did she get for her last birthday?  It seems to me that if Dennis was ok with her keeping the ring while the state of the relationship was up in the air, then he wanted her to have it, otherwise he'd have taken it back and told her he'd give it back when she decided.  

My ring is a family ring, although it happens to be from my side of the family.  But, pretending it came from my husband's side, if something were to happen to us, of course I'd give it back, because it's his family's property and it sentimental to them.  I wouldn't give back any other jewelry I was given, though, that was purchased just for me.  

As @biakbiak said, engagement rings are treated differently from regular gifts. Bryn's ring is a regular gift so she gets to keep it. An engagement ring is not a regular gift; it is specifically tied to the act of marriage. The reason this works this way is based on thousands of years of human history. Up until fairly recently, a woman couldn't really inherit. A man might stipulate that a sum be put aside for the care and maintenance of his wife, but even still the money would be managed by his male heirs. The reason that the engagement ring becomes the wife's after marriage is that she's SOL if her husband dies. It's the same thing with a bride price (they aren't actually buying a bride). A widow would need access to money because she had no guarantee of financial assistance from the estate. Furthermore she had no guarantee of future support from her family or a new husband.

When you understand the purpose, you understand why an engagement ring is treated differently. If your fiance dies or breaks the engagement, the woman's parents are still responsible for her care and maintenance and she's free to marry someone else. Yeah that seems super antiquated, but no fault divorce only became a reality in the past 50 years.

Maybe we need to change the law to reflect modern society, but this is the way the law works now.

In regards to family heirlooms, those almost always go back to the side that originally owned it. This can be true even if the marriage occurs.

Edited March 23, 2019 by HunterHunted

[Diane Mars]

15 hours ago, ChitChat said:

In her rapid fire way, Bethenny rattled off all of the reasons she couldn't commit to him.  I don't understand why she is wearing the ring if she had no intention of marrying him.  There's no need to embellish the relationship in order to gain sympathy.  It's enough that he was her close friend/lover and it was a difficult loss - fiancé or not.  

And, for real, she told that Dennis also bought a ring for Brynn, but, for me, it's not unbelievable at all that SHE bought her a ring, lol ! (sorry, I can't with her sense of truth, so, why not, lol !)

[bosawks]

I feel like they missed an opportunity to say to Babs, or anyone really, when leaving:

“This was a real nice clambake,
We're mighty glad we came.
The vittles we et
Were good, you bet,
The company was the same.
Our hearts are warm, our bellies are full,
And we are feeling prime.
This was a real nice clambake,
And we all had a real good time.”

I wouldn’t have been able to stop myself.

[Bossa Nova]

On 3/22/2019 at 7:39 AM, film noire said:

Dennis Shields was not a decent man, imo.  He was a "pioneer" in predatory litigation financing and charged higher-than-loan-shark interest rates (up to 124 percent) to clients, including victims of sexual assault.  Shields also died right before (as in three weeks) the Feds began investigating his firm for pressuring/misleading female clients into having mesh removal surgery.

So  my only quibble with Ramona's comment was that she criticized Shields for the wrong thing -- addiction has nothing to do with intelligence -- but trashing that lowlife for loan-sharking survivors of sexual assault?  For telling women (many without health insurance & no primary physician to turn to for medical advice) that their mesh was dangerous and they needed to get it removed immediately? Have at it, Crazy Eyes.

LOL

Party of one: Shields potentially giving Bryn a ring was all kinds of WTF to me - you're not marrying the little girl,  you're marrying her mother -- give her a bracelet or a necklace, but a ring feels off (and way too reminiscent of those creepy purity ball rituals). 

Agreed. 

That ring to Bryn must have sent Jason into stratospheric rage. 

[backhometome]

Luann is so damn arrogant. Is Cabaret the new Tom. Where Lu has to mention it every 5 mins. You are not a star darling. And whoever told you can sing should be shot. 

Sonja does not look good with long hair. She looked ridiculous at the party. 

Ramona and Sonja taking the food was so them. 

[JennyMominFL]

19 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Heaps of agreeing here. 

Does anyone watch “Billions”? (To those not familiar with the show, the main characters all seem to lack a moral compass of any kind. Coincidence?) I think they dedicated the season premiere to Dennis, but maybe I was dreaming.  It was late. I was definitely nodding off. 

So, were they thinking Lu could borrow money from Dennis? Or just get financial advice from him? Lu could borrow $6M from him, and then she’d be on the hook to pay him back $12M+?

OMG! I watch Billions and I saw the in memory of thing and it didnt’t even click that that is who they were talking about.

[ghoulina]

I don't really see the issue with Bethenny wearing the ring, even if she didn't accept the proposal at that time. When a loved on passes, people tend to have regrets and romanticize the person and their relationship with them. Maybe she wishes she did say yes. Maybe it's a way for her to remember how much he loved her and feel close to him? I just really can't judge all the stages someone goes through when they're grieving, especially when the person they lost is young and taken from the unexpectedly. 

[Gem 10]

On 3/22/2019 at 12:54 AM, heavysnaxx said:

When I first read this, I honestly thought you meant side dishes. Like, to go with the lobsters in your tote-bag.

OMG .. So funny.  Yeah, I guess that too. Lol.  Maybe Sonja did, as I saw her eating corn on the cob back at Ramona’s house, along with the lobster.

[Gem 10]

22 hours ago, Maximona said:

That is very true. However, if Dennis Shields actually had his personal assistant carry around friggin' Narcan, I think there's a good chance that Shields was using opioids recreationally.

While it is certainly true that vaginal mesh removal is the new mesothelioma in terms of pie-eyed litigation attorneys looking for their chunk of multimillion-$$$$$ settlements, it's also true that vaginal mesh has been implicated in a lot of horrifying complications. 

But enough socially aware commentary!

Ramona's clambake yellow shoes!!!!!!  OmyGAWD.

And I still love Dorinda.  What is up with these Housewives bitches?  My own rule of thumb for evaluating the behaviors of friends in general is that you average behavior over the amount of time that you've known somebody.  So, if one of your friends is acting badly, but that friend has a history of being kind and supportive over many years, you cut them slack on the recent misbehavior.

For years, Dorinda was nothing but kind and supportive to LuAnn.  Even if Dorinda had acted badly in recent months—and I don't actually think she did—her years of kindness should over-ride that.

Absolutely, I agree, but sometimes these people begin to think they own you.  

[Gem 10]

2 hours ago, Diane Mars said:

And, for real, she told that Dennis also bought a ring for Brynn, but, for me, it's not unbelievable at all that SHE bought her a ring, lol ! (sorry, I can't with her sense of truth, so, why not, lol !)

The really nice thing would be for her to sell it and give the $$ to disaster relief victims, unless she wants it to remember him by.  It’s not like he was her husband.  Then again, it’s her business.

[Gem 10]

5 hours ago, smores said:

I guess I could see if it was a family heirloom, but otherwise, it's a gift that Dennis gave to Bethenny while he was alive so it's Bethenny's.  If the fact that they weren't formally engaged makes the engagement ring part of the estate, then why stop there?  Why not go after any other gift that he gave to her?  What did she get for her last birthday?  It seems to me that if Dennis was ok with her keeping the ring while the state of the relationship was up in the air, then he wanted her to have it, otherwise he'd have taken it back and told her he'd give it back when she decided.  

My ring is a family ring, although it happens to be from my side of the family.  But, pretending it came from my husband's side, if something were to happen to us, of course I'd give it back, because it's his family's property and it sentimental to them.  I wouldn't give back any other jewelry I was given, though, that was purchased just for me.  

That is the problem with heirloom family jewelry.  Who to give what to who.

[hoodooznoodooz]

2 hours ago, JennyMominFL said:

OMG! I watch Billions and I saw the in memory of thing and it didnt’t even click that that is who they were talking about.

Me, too! I was, like, “Dennis Shields... why does that name sound familiar? Why do I feel like I know that name?”

[Otherkate]

3 hours ago, Bossa Nova said:

Agreed. 

That ring to Bryn must have sent Jason into stratospheric rage. 

Why? It's a little weird, but often done with blended families. When my ex husband got engaged to his new wife, she gifted my daughters with two special bracelets to symbolize them becoming a family. She also did a special dance just the three of them at the wedding. I thought it was so considerate and really appreciated her making sure that my girls felt like they were an intrinsic part of the whole thing instead of outsiders looking in. I can't tell you how much it means to me that she goes out of her way to include my girls in everything in a really special way. I feel lucky that he married someone like her. Honestly, she's really thoughtful. I like her a lot more than my ex!

Edited March 23, 2019 by Otherkate

[Rap541]

Otherkate - I think the idea is that Jason's likely enraged reaction would occur because Jason would choose to interpret the ring gift as Bethenny replacing him as Bryn's father to Bryn even though it's not. That and a standard 'how dare any man give my child a gift without my approval, I am her *father*, I decide these things' - and Jason certainly strikes me as reacting that way. 

Actually, I wonder if some of Bethenny's hesitance in accepting Dennis's supposed proposal revolved around Bryn, and Jason's reaction, as well as Dennis's marriage issue and of course, the drugs. 

While I am really glad Jill Shields isn't being as petty as fuck, I do question whether she could really could win in the fight over Bethenny's engagement ring. The claim, as I understand it, is that Jill, while legally separated from Dennis, is still his wife and therefore controls his estate, and can claim that a ring he bought and gave to another woman as an engagement ring is still part of his estate because he died before the engagement morphed into marriage. I mean sure, if the point is to be tacky as fuck and a bitter bitter bitch, I could see Jill at least getting some air time for such a lawsuit but really, at the end of the day, she's still the bitter ex who sued her ex's kinda sorta fiancé for an engagement ring because he died before he finalized his divorce from her so she had a legal leg to have her petty revenge on her supposedly beloved husband's potential new partner. Since engagement rings are tricky - she probably wouldn't win because the argument can be made that Bethenny didn't give Dennis a firm no, and or Dennis may very well have told her to keep the ring as a fond remembrance of him, thereby turning it into a gift. Regardless, making such a claim to the ring would probably harm Jill's reputation far more than anything else. 

*The exception of course is if the ring is some sort of family heirloom - then Bethenny should return it to Dennis's children - but frankly I see no suggestion this was an heirloom, it's just a giant rock. 

[AnnA]

On March 20, 2019 at 10:23 PM, chewycandy said:

“Take a sofa! Take an end table while you’re at it!”

I will always be here for Bethenny

On March 20, 2019 at 10:31 PM, Coffeewinewater said:

That had me laughing  so hard. Beth doing the crazy Ramona walk over omg 😆

 I was shocked that they were packing up lobsters and steak, wtf? Tinsley seemed mortified. 

On March 21, 2019 at 1:01 PM, Gem 10 said:

That’s why Bethenny is #1 Housewife in my book.  I don’t think she even needs a script.  The quips come naturally.

Bethenny's Ramona imitation is the best one of all.  

[Mindthinkr]

One thing that surprised me at the clambake was that the clams and mussels were served in the same big bowl. Mind you I thought it looked generous and good, but I don’t eat mussels. I don’t enjoy their flavor. Therefore the dipping juice (butter, wine, lemon?) wouldn’t have tasted good to me with the two flavors mixed. 

[ichbin]

16 hours ago, Rubyslippahz said:

Dorinda never misses a chance to point out what a comedown John is after the late lamented Richard.  Think that at least some of her inchoate rage and clear unhappiness is due to that.  

Did anyone else think the way John greeted Dorinda at the party seemed strange?  It didn't feel like someone addressing someone with whom they had a close personal connection.  It seemed like he was greeting a social acquaintance whom he had just run into after a long time.  I thought it was weird.  

[SuprSuprElevated]

18 minutes ago, ichbin said:

Did anyone else think the way John greeted Dorinda at the party seemed strange?  It didn't feel like someone addressing someone with whom they had a close personal connection.  It seemed like he was greeting a social acquaintance whom he had just run into after a long time.  I thought it was weird.  

Definitely noticed that.  Didn't she say "nice to see you" or something like that?  

[hoodooznoodooz]

15 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

THIS is awesome.

What is going on with her cheeks anyway? Are they implants?

[politichick]

2 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

One thing that surprised me at the clambake was that the clams and mussels were served in the same big bowl. Mind you I thought it looked generous and good, but I don’t eat mussels. I don’t enjoy their flavor. Therefore the dipping juice (butter, wine, lemon?) wouldn’t have tasted good to me with the two flavors mixed. 

Barbara and Sonja were loving it, though. Wasn't Barbara the one who suggested they take food home? Still, I think the girls should have eaten at the event and then taken something for Dorinda. Couldn't believe fucking Ramona took back the rose wine. What a twat. Loved how Tinsley went straight for the caviar when they got home and how she made it perfectly clear when she first arrived that yeah, it's kind of a hostess give, but we're sharing this shit. I love caviar and would only bring it to the home of someone like Ramona under the same conditions. That cow probably only eats it because she thinks it's posh; not because she likes it. 

Also, yes, the way John and Dorinda greeted each other seemed very strange as if they don't see each other very often. I used to really like her but as the years have gone on she's just as trashy as she deep down inside thinks John is. At least he tries to be nice. How did she even land fancypants Richard?

Edited March 23, 2019 by politichick
to add something

[ichbin]

40 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

Definitely noticed that.  Didn't she say "nice to see you" or something like that?  

I think you're right.  

[LibertarianSlut]

24 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

THIS is awesome.

What is going on with her cheeks anyway? Are they implants?

Why thank you.  I try.  I don't think she's purposely endhancing the size of her cheeks (at least I really hope not). What I think is that she just.started out with a naturally huge face, the bottom of which she lopped off and lied about (last season on VPR, Jax went to an LA plastic surgeon who unequivocally informed him that Botox injections could do very little to decrease the size of the jaw), and now she's lopsided.

I think she looked just fine before.  I don't feel bad poking fun at her, given that this is self-imposed. Plus, I hate public figures who lie about their obvious plastic surgery (this is Bethenny's second offense.  She walked around with those bolt-ons for the better part of ten years, insisting she only had a lift until Omorossa of all people outed her).  I further take issue that she lied about plastic surgery when she made a significant amount of money selling books about how to be fit and thin.  Had she been walking around with a double A-cup, her body wouldn't have been as appealing, and she would not have been able to make nearly as much money off if it.

So I figure that if peeps are going to mention over and over that Ramona's nose looks like it's going to one side, I can have a little fun at another cast-member's expense.  At least Ramona is honest and isn't selling books about her appearance with a derivation of the word "natural" in the title!

[AnnA]

7 hours ago, backhometome said:

Luann is so damn arrogant. Is Cabaret the new Tom. Where Lu has to mention it every 5 mins. You are not a star darling. And whoever told you can sing should be shot. 

Sonja does not look good with long hair. She looked ridiculous at the party. 

Ramona and Sonja taking the food was so them. 

You're right!  LuAnn is rapidly becoming insufferable.

1 hour ago, ichbin said:

Did anyone else think the way John greeted Dorinda at the party seemed strange?  It didn't feel like someone addressing someone with whom they had a close personal connection.  It seemed like he was greeting a social acquaintance whom he had just run into after a long time.  I thought it was weird.  

Dorinda and John's relationship has always been weird.   She treats him so badly and he keeps coming back.   I don't get it.  

Edited March 23, 2019 by AnnA

[HunterHunted]

3 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

the bottom of which she lopped off and lied about (last season on VPR, Jax went to an LA plastic surgeon who unequivocally informed him that Botox injections could do very little to decrease the size of the jaw)

I'm sorry, but this is a conclusion based on nothing. A plastic surgeon might have concluded that masseter muscle botox would do nothing for Jax because the width of Jax' jaw had nothing to do with his masseter muscle. Each person is different. Bethenny (or Jax) might have atypical physiology. Hell, I had 6 wisdom teeth. Concluding that Bethenny didn't use botox on her masseter muscles because Jax wasn't a candidate has no basis in fact. This isn't some fly by night bullshit procedure that Bethenny invented. This is a reasonably well known procedure. 

Edited March 24, 2019 by HunterHunted

[LibertarianSlut]

Well, opinions are like eyeballs; we all have them.  A picture is worth a thousand words.  I am not going to look at that picture and conclude that a woman who had lied about cosmetic surgery in the past is not lying now, and the reason her jaw disappeared (the bulk of which happened in one month; she had one jaw in May and another in June) was Botox and treatment for TMJ.  I also suppose her breast enhancement could be due to performaing pectoral exercises, but Occam's Razor and all...

[Gem 10]

5 hours ago, ichbin said:

Did anyone else think the way John greeted Dorinda at the party seemed strange?  It didn't feel like someone addressing someone with whom they had a close personal connection.  It seemed like he was greeting a social acquaintance whom he had just run into after a long time.  I thought it was weird.  

I think poor John is being used.  She wasn’t married to Richard very long.  His status and influence is what she is missing.  Living in London, hobnobbing with the rich and famous, traveling, etc.  Big difference from then to now.  That is what she is missing, and John is just filling the void.  IMO.  She orders John around like he’s her lap dog.

mous

Edited March 24, 2019 by Gem 10

[albarino]

1 hour ago, LibertarianSlut said:

 I am not going to look at that picture and conclude that a woman who had lied about cosmetic surgery in the past is not lying now, and the reason her jaw disappeared (the bulk of which happened in one month; she had one jaw in May and another in June) was Botox and treatment for TMJ.

I've never had breast augmentation surgery (but could have used it) so I can't comment on the recovery process but I have has some facial work done.  My daughter has also had orthognathic surgery.  If Bethenny had some sort of jaw surgery, she would not have been fully recovered in a month.  My experience only.

[Gem 10]

21 hours ago, Rubyslippahz said:

Huh, so Barbara is not going away, is she. 

Luann was fully reverting to Class with the Countess mode.   Now she is out of drunk desperate bride to divorcee mode.  I'm confused about the house upstate, is this a much more modest abode than the one she was trying to get 6 mil to buy during her intervention incident?

Sonja can be so funny, I love how they cut to her when someone said something about sex addicts.  But her Little Mermaid long hairstyle this season is not as flattering as some of her past looks. 

Dorinda never misses a chance to point out what a comedown John is after the late lamented Richard.  Think that at least some of her inchoate rage and clear unhappiness is due to that.  

Tinsley is fab.  I was afraid when she joined the cast she was going to be Kelly Bensimon 2.0 but she is rather lovely.   I wish Scott would stop jerking her around. Totally rewound the preview scene with Dale and the Tabitha Simmons shoes like 5 times.   

Talk about shoes, you have a cool name, Rubyslippahz.  From Whizzard of Oz perhaps?

[biakbiak]

44 minutes ago, Gem 10 said:

Living in London, h

She lived in London with her first husband not Richard. 

[Gem 10]

1 minute ago, biakbiak said:

She lived in London with her first husband not Richard. 

My mistake.  Where did she live with Richard?  

[biakbiak]

Just now, Gem 10 said:

My mistake.  Where did she live with Richard?  

NYC and the Berskshires house. They met becaise she was working as a real estate agent in Manhattan and showed him in apartment.