The Marvel Cinematic Universe: The Avengers, etc.

[scriggle]

All I'm really hoping for is a mid-credit scene showing Bucky is now free of the Hydra programming, whether that happens in Black Panther, Dr. Strange, or even Thor3, I don't really care.

Edited July 31, 2016 by scriggle
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[Kel Varnsen]

3 hours ago, Wynterwolf said:

I'm still a little optimistic about an eventual Black Widow movie (which Cap and Bucky would fit nicely into as well), but I don't want Joss Whedon to have anything to do with it.  

I am not even convinced that Scarlett Johansson even wants to do a black widow movie so i won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

[Wynterwolf]

21 minutes ago, Kel Varnsen said:

I am not even convinced that Scarlett Johansson even wants to do a black widow movie so i won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

If they did to her character what they did in Ultron, I wouldn't blame her.  

[Zuleikha]

There was an interview recently (forget from who, but some MCU high up) that seemed a lot more definitive about the likelihood of Black Widow happening. I had given up on it, but that interview made me really wonder if there's some behind the scenes contract writing going on right now to make it happen.

I agree with the idea that Marvel jumped the gun on Civil War. I think there should have been a Black Widow movie immediately after Winter Soldier that had Black Widow dealing with the fallout of her secrets released. Even though I dislike him, Hawkeye could have been in it and if Whedon was determined to do the stupid Natasha/Bruce thing, Bruce could have been in it to set up the storyline for Ultron. Then post-Ultron could have been a true Captain America movie as described above. 

[OakGoblinFly]

The only way I would like to see a Black Widow film (frankly, I find her character rather boring and Scarlett Johansson weak when given leading roles; she's perfectly fine as a supporting actor/character) is if they managed to have her team up with Bucky as they did in the comics (when they were hunting down Hydra sleeper operatives). 

[stealinghome]

Ha, I have the opposite reaction--I've warmed up to Bucky/Sebastian Stan somewhat after Civil War, but still would be fine with him staying in the freezer in Wakanda forever. No Bucky in a Nat movie (unless it's in flashbacks to the Red Room), please. I just don't think the writers would be able to resist making Nat's movie all about Bucky's angst.

If another Avenger must be in a Black Widow solo movie, honestly I say let it be Steve. I know that would be something of a redux of Winter Soldier, but I think Natasha and Steve bounce off each other in really interesting ways that let you dig deeper into both characters, and oddly enough have one of the most rock-solid friendships in the MCU. I'd welcome a movie where Steve's along for Natasha's ride (it's not like they didn't just make that movie with Steve and Tony and call in Cap 3 anyway). Plus I think ScarJo and Chris Evans spark off each other better than they spark off anyone else--and I don't mean that romantically, just in a "these two play well together on-screen" kind of way.

though there was some serious sparkage between ScarJo and Chadwick Boseman in Civil War, so I could accept T'Challa as the backup Avenger too. Or Scarlet Witch, with Natasha continuing to show her the ropes. :)

I'm still pessimistic that a Black Widow movie will actually happen, though. I just think the moment has passed. The time to get it on the schedule was right after Winter Soldier, when Nat had to go on the run after dumping her secrets and the character in general was flying high after Avengers and Winter Soldier. The movie would have slotted in perfectly as an explanation of how she's back in the public eye with the team in Ultron. THAT was the time for a solo BW movie. But...I guess we needed a bunch of generic white guy movies instead.

Edited August 1, 2016 by stealinghome

[GHScorpiosRule]

Okay, I just spent the weekend watching all the movies, except Ironman 3 and Hulk because I don't have those, and they aren't playing for free on demand. So it's killing me. Bugging me. And doing a Google search has led to nowhere. So, can someone help me out please, because I KNOW I'm not crazy and I saw that scene in one of the movies. Hulk maybe? Maybe it wasn't a post credit scene? 

It's where we see Captain America's Shield sticking out from some ice. Just which movie was that in? Becuase I can't find it. Anywhere.

Thanks!

[JessePinkman]

22 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Okay, I just spent the weekend watching all the movies, except Ironman 3 and Hulk because I don't have those, and they aren't playing for free on demand. So it's killing me. Bugging me. And doing a Google search has led to nowhere. So, can someone help me out please, because I KNOW I'm not crazy and I saw that scene in one of the movies. Hulk maybe? Maybe it wasn't a post credit scene? 

It's where we see Captain America's Shield sticking out from some ice. Just which movie was that in? Becuase I can't find it. Anywhere.

Thanks!

It's in The Incredible Hulk...deleted scenes though, maybe you watched one of those Top 10 Marvel Movie Deleted Scenes type videos?

http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/captain-america-officially-found-in-the-incredible-hulk/

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 minute ago, JessePinkman said:

It's in The Incredible Hulk...deleted scenes though, maybe you watched one of those Top 10 Marvel Movie Deleted Scenes type videos?

http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/captain-america-officially-found-in-the-incredible-hulk/

It was a deleted scene? I swear I saw it at the actual movie and everyone in the theater clapping and cheering. I don't have the dvd and I never look up to find deleted scenes.

thanks @JessePinkman

[Bruinsfan]

On 7/31/2016 at 4:58 PM, scriggle said:

All I'm really hoping for is a mid-credit scene showing Bucky is now free of the Hydra programming, whether that happens in Black Panther, Dr. Strange, or even Thor3, I don't really care.

Introducing Stephen Strange to the MCU does open the door for having an ally undo brainwashing in a cinematic way rather than having Bucky go through years of therapy and deprogramming offscreen.

22 hours ago, stealinghome said:

Plus I think ScarJo and Chris Evans spark off each other better than they spark off anyone else--and I don't mean that romantically, just in a "these two play well together on-screen" kind of way.

They've known each other basically forever, I think the first movie they co-starred in filmed back in 2003. I imagine that really helps them get the platonic friendship chemistry down cold, and the Russo brothers were smart enough to move it to the foreground. Thank God Joss didn't try to pair them up romantically, at least having Bruce & Natasha crash and burn doesn't throw off character interaction across multiple movie series.

[frenchtoast]

13 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Okay, I just spent the weekend watching all the movies, except Ironman 3 and Hulk because I don't have those, and they aren't playing for free on demand. So it's killing me. Bugging me. And doing a Google search has led to nowhere. So, can someone help me out please, because I KNOW I'm not crazy and I saw that scene in one of the movies. Hulk maybe? Maybe it wasn't a post credit scene? 

It's where we see Captain America's Shield sticking out from some ice. Just which movie was that in? Becuase I can't find it. Anywhere.

Thanks!

The only one I can think of was right at the beginning of Captain America: The First Avenger. There's a snow scene, and some guys are talking about how the ice is always shifting. And they rappel down into a structure and one of them says to call someone despite the time. And then we see the shield in the ice. But I don't know if that's what you meant. There's also the scene where Tony and Coulson are talking after Tony has figured out how to fix his palladium problem in Iron Man 2. But that's not ice and it's a prototype shield.

[GHScorpiosRule]

@frenchtoast, no, that's not it. I actually missed seeing the first Cap movie in the theatre. I just know I saw the scene at the end of a movie where it showed his Shield half submerged in ice and that everyone in the theatre clapped and whooped right along with me.

Dammit. Now all of y'all probably think I hallucinated it all. But I swear, I saw it!!!???

[JessePinkman]

3 hours ago, Bruinsfan said:

Introducing Stephen Strange to the MCU does open the door for having an ally undo brainwashing in a cinematic way rather than having Bucky go through years of therapy and deprogramming offscreen.

 

They're gonna have to strike a delicate balance in showing how Doctor Strange's powers or spells work, I don't want him to show up fixing shit by waving his hands around. 

[Morrigan2575]

3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

@frenchtoast, no, that's not it. I actually missed seeing the first Cap movie in the theatre. I just know I saw the scene at the end of a movie where it showed his Shield half submerged in ice and that everyone in the theatre clapped and whooped right along with me.

Dammit. Now all of y'all probably think I hallucinated it all. But I swear, I saw it!!!???

It actually sounds familiar but, i cant find it.  Here's a list of Marvel mid/post credit scenes 

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Post-credits_Scenes

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 hour ago, Morrigan2575 said:

It actually sounds familiar but, i cant find it.  Here's a list of Marvel mid/post credit scenes 

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Post-credits_Scenes

I think TPTB pulled a Last of the Mohicans on me! Because when that first came out on dvd, there was only the director's cut, which eviscerated a great BIG chunk of the theatrical release, and though the latest "definitive" cut restored most of it, there are at least five lines and scenes missing. If I still had my VCR, I'd order the VHS of it.

Because I don't think it was mid-credit or post-credit scene. Maybe the last scene before the credits started rolling? AFTER we see Bruce walking and the theme from the 70s show-that piano music? Starts playing?

[Kel Varnsen]

I finally saw Civil War on the weekend, and I loved seeing The Black Panther. I especially loved how a lot of his character was based on the Priest Black Panther run that was probably my favourite marvel comic back when I was reading comics in the late 90's. It also got me thinking how it is crazy, that back in those days Black Panther was probably one of the lowest selling comics Marvel was putting out, now it is the source material for a big budget movie. The other low seller those days was Deadpool, which was one of the biggest hits this year. What's next a Thunderbolts movie, or maybe a Captain Marvel movie based on Genis-Vell?

[Traveller519]

On 8/1/2016 at 9:16 PM, GHScorpiosRule said:

It was a deleted scene? I swear I saw it at the actual movie and everyone in the theater clapping and cheering. I don't have the dvd and I never look up to find deleted scenes.

thanks @JessePinkman

It was definitely in that deleted scene. But maybe the theatre experience you're recalling was in Iron Man 2, when Tony has Coulson give him the shield prototype to level his collider. I remember theatre reaction to that scene.

[Wynterwolf]

Not unexpected, but as I've seen others comment, I really do like the fact that Steve dropping the shield that last time was a lasting choice.  He had been building up to making it over the course of all the movies he's been in and that felt like a fitting conclusion to me.  I also think it opens up a lot of possibilities for how they could use his character going forward, if they want to.  

[stealinghome]

I hope the shield doesn't go to Tony. A big BARF if so.

My choices for the shield's next owner: Sam, Natasha, and...yeah, that's it. I don't want to see it go to Bucky, he hasn't earned it in the movieverse. Sam and Natasha are the only acceptable options. Oh, and Thor, I suppose, but giving him the shield and Mjolnir just seems unfair. Share the goodies!

Edited August 26, 2016 by stealinghome

[Wynterwolf]

Yeah, I think Sam would really be my only pick at this point.  

[Jazzy24]

2 hours ago, Wynterwolf said:

Not unexpected, but as I've seen others comment, I really do like the fact that Steve dropping the shield that last time was a lasting choice.  He had been building up to making it over the course of all the movies he's been in and that felt like a fitting conclusion to me.  I also think it opens up a lot of possibilities for how they could use his character going forward, if they want to.  

I like Steve being Captain America. I don't want anyone else to pick up the Shield it's repetitive IMO. Nor do I want Steve having an identity crisis, I also don't want to see another suit or shield. I like Steve Rogers but I'm not interested in his story. He's his most interesting when he's around people. 

[JustaPerson]

I agree. Steve's my favorite MCU character by a long shot (and I love pretty much all of them way too much) and I don't need him to change. He already admitted in Age of Ultron that he wasn't the same person that he was pre-freeze so in a way he's already had one. Logically he can't be Cap anymore since he's technically a fugitive now, but it's not like he needs the uniform to be Captain America. No crisis! Steve is like the one stable character in this whole mess, keep him that way!

[Spartan Girl]

Not sure if that article is reliable, since they're not longer calling Infinity Wars a part 1 movie...but I agree that if someone else should get the shield it should be Sam.

Man, I really hope that Sharon Carter is going to be in Infinity Wars. I'd like to see them do more with her character. If they cut her just because of the whiny Stucky fans I'll be pissed.

[Raja]

Sam is as much of a fugitive as Steve is. It would take a newly introduced character, from the US government  much like a War Machine being rebranded as Iron Patriot was part of government propaganda 

[Jazzy24]

1 hour ago, Spartan Girl said:

 

Man, I really hope that Sharon Carter is going to be in Infinity Wars. I'd like to see them do more with her character. If they cut her just because of the whiny Stucky fans I'll be pissed.

I hope she's not. 

The movie has like every Marvel hero character in it already, and I want to see the Avengers. I want time to see my Avengers the ones we have been seeing on our screens since 2012. Characters like Tony, Natasha, Thor, etc.... will be phased out soon so I want the last two Avengers movies focused on the Avengers. 

Sharon Carter is not an Avenger not anyone that interests me plus the actress has one annoying facial expression. Therefore she should be in some other movie and she should take Bucky Barnes with her. 

I will also be annoyed if Nick Fury isn't in the last two Avengers movie and Bucky will be. 

[Dandesun]

I really don't need Sharon around, either. In the MCU she's barely a blip on the radar and there are tons of other characters that will be needing room in Infinity Wars. She lifts right out.

I do think it's kind of funny that they had to clarify the fact that Steve isn't Captain America anymore. I thought that was made abundantly clear in Civil War. And. really, it's quite fitting for Cap's trilogy, too. Steve chose Bucky over the shield. He's now a fugitive. I swear to God, if they make any mention of Nomad I will laugh so hard. (If you haven't yet, Google that particular super hero outfit because it is tremendous.) Plus, Steve's left behind the title and the shield more than once in comics when his own principles come into conflict with what he's being told he should be doing.

As for anyone to take up the shield after him, I'd vote for Sam. In the MCU, Sam is just about the best guy ever. Bucky is still so beyond fucked up that the only thing he'd manage to do with the shield is stand in the rain using it as an umbrella talking about plums, his shitty memories and Steve. Very emo but... come on.

Obviously, Steve will be back for the fight against Thanos. Will they have him pick up Thor's hammer or has that load been blown in Ultron when Vision did it?

[scriggle]

Problem is, Sam's a fugitive now too.

I'd say Steve was choosing himself over the shield, the good man not the perfect soldier.

That being said, I have a feeling that Steve will be picking the Shield back up when Infinity War rolls around.

[Dandesun]

Yes, Sam is currently a fugitive which is why he's not Captain America now. Steve left it behind and became a fugitive but I would imagine that when Thanos comes to town the Accords aren't going to be worth the paper they're written on and things like being a fugitive won't matter. I can still see Steve just going 'I'm going to go backpacking around the world for awhile... build houses for the poor... that sort of thing, I'm not picking up the shield again' and then they can give it to Sam because Sam's awesome and, like I said, Bucky's a gigantic emo mess.

Steve will probably have his big, dramatic moment in Infinity Wars of having the shield and jumping in front of someone to protect them from Thanos (probably Tony to help heal that particular wound) but it's also a question of where they plan to take him. Evans contract is almost up and though he's said he'd be willing to extend it really comes down to what Marvel plans to do.

Not that I would be sad to see Evans stick around as Steve Rogers because I adore him in that role...

Edited August 26, 2016 by Dandesun

[JessePinkman]

16 minutes ago, Dandesun said:

Obviously, Steve will be back for the fight against Thanos. Will they have him pick up Thor's hammer or has that load been blown in Ultron when Vision did it?

 

Maybe an unconflicted Steve will be more worthy to wield the hammer now.

 

18 minutes ago, Dandesun said:

I swear to God, if they make any mention of Nomad I will laugh so hard. (If you haven't yet, Google that particular super hero outfit because it is tremendous.) 

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I would pay good hard actual money to see Chris Evans wear this. Dear God my loins.

[Dandesun]

I would love to see someone show MCU Steve Rogers that outfit. His disgust for it would probably be close to Jessica Jones' towards the Jewel outfit Trish tried to get her to wear.

There's a whole story that can be made of Sam and Bucky being present when someone with deeply questionable fashion sense (and taste) presents this to Steve. You have Bucky, who was all 'You're keeping the outfit right?' in First Avenger, probably dying of laughter at the mere sight of this and then Sam going 'Please wear this to the VA so our soldiers can realize there are worse things than PTSD. It will give them hope that someday things will be better.' Meanwhile, Steve's all 'I hate everyone and everything. Whoever came up with this outfit is obviously HYDRA and I will destroy them.'

The outfit itself? I mean... the head cowl attaches to NOTHING! It's so ludicrously porny! It's specifically designed to literally be ripped off of someone's body with ease (once you get the boots and belt off) but still have the ability to fuck someone with the mask on!

I know I'm not the only one to think about that. Only 70s Iron Fist would be all 'Yeah, dude, that is a smart look!' And that's saying something.

Edited August 26, 2016 by Dandesun

[Wynterwolf]

Providing Steve got another shield from somewhere **coughWakandacough**, he'd be ready to go when Thanos rears his purple head, and they could just have Tony store the Cap!Shield, and gaze at it longingly periodically until they're ready to reboot the character in another decade (but I'd still love to see Sam carry it, and I think they can make the story work even with him currently being a "fugitive").  And yeah, I basically saw Steve dropping the shield in CW as an end to his identity crisis, now it would be about him being free to make his own choices and really being able to own the responsibility for those and I think it could free them up to use his character in cool supporting roles if he doesn't have to be the main focus of the movie.  

Edited August 26, 2016 by Wynterwolf
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[VCRTracking]

This video asks why Marvel scores aren't as memorable as other film scores:

[AES13]

Thanks, VCRTracking, that was great.  I'm very sad that this is true since I really enjoy scores and soundtracks.  Even when the Marvel composers come up with a semi-decent theme (Bucky's or the fight at the airport), it's pretty much a snippet and not echoed later on.

[xaxat]

I think it's kind of unfair to portray it as a Marvel problem when it seems like it's an industry issue. He just used Marvel as the highest profile example.

[JustaPerson]

It's mentioned that in the comments I believe. I mean he said as a "don't even try to turn this into a DC vs. Marvel thing guys" but he did acknowledge that it's an industry wide problem.

[LJonEarth]

Great video. I gave up playing music a long time ago, but I wonder if the issue is also the style of the Marvel themes. The Captain America themes were very noticeable to me in all of the movies. I can't recall any others. But I could never hum those songs like I could the ones mentioned in this video. Perhaps it issues with the melody, but they seem too complex or...something to be catchy.

[Danny Franks]

The main Avengers and Captain America themes are clearly recognisable when I hear them, and faintly stirring. But as for remembering right now? Not a chance. I can definitely remember the Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Superman, Batman (in both cases, the original movies) themes all the time. Perhaps Marvel just haven't had a chance to become iconic yet. Perhaps in years to come, they'll be ranked alongside those great popcorn movie scores. But I kind of doubt it.

It's the same with television though, isn't it? Most of the most well known and iconic TV show theme music is from shows that have long been off the air. So I guess I agree that it's an industry wide problem. And this isn't about music that is supposed to be forgettable, the main theme of a show or a movie should evoke a response, because that's the first hook that filmmakers have.

The first point he makes in that video though, is something I find fault with. In the Iron Man scene, he's talking about what I'd term 'ambient music'. It's not meant to evoke an emotional response, it's just there to fill the silence, as is the trend with movies nowadays. Most seem to have background music running throughout, and as he says, it's not meant to be noticed. That's not necessarily a bad thing. You don't want your audience to react emotionally to everything, or they'd be exhausted.

[ChelseaNH]

3 hours ago, Danny Franks said:

Most of the most well known and iconic TV show theme music is from shows that have long been off the air.

I'm watching the first season of The Rockford Files lately, and it's an interesting contrast.  The pace of storytelling is a lot slower, for one, but the opening credits sequence is also longer -- you just have more time to hear the music.  So now the theme song is stuck in my head.

Shows like Welcome Back, Kotter and The Greatest American Hero had actual songs in their title sequences.  Ain't nobody got time for all that in these days of six commercial breaks.  Similarly, movies often skip the entire opening credits sequence.  Star Wars at least replaces it with the serial-style recap while the movie's anthem plays, but otherwise there's not much opportunity to establish a musical theme at the outset.

[romantic idiot]

The Avengers theme definitely revs me up. 

[Dandesun]

The only music I remember from Iron Man is, you know, Iron Man. And that could very well have been on purpose. Getting that song for the movie, you use it as the ultimate punch which they did.

Cap does have his specific theme music. Not just 'Star Spangled Man with a Plan' which is quite the ear worm... but he's got a strain of music that they used in First Avenger and then harkened back to in Winter Soldier when he was at the Smithsonian if I'm not mistaken. 

And I also really liked the Avengers theme. 

[stealinghome]

I think most of the Marvel movies have one piece of music that is memorable, but the rest of the score is always pretty blah. In no particular order:

Thor: the general theme, still the most heroic piece of music the MCU has done to date imo.

Thor: TDW: the music that played for Frigga's funeral was haunting.

CA: TFA: aside from Star-Spangled Man with a Plan, I love the music that plays at the end, when Peggy gets Steve's file from General Tommy Lee Jones (to be fair, it includes Steve's general theme from this movie).

CA: TWS: Cap's general theme from this movie, played over the credits and when he escapes from SHIELD; I am also partial to the overpass Steve-Bucky fight scene music.

The Avengers: I actually think the music that plays when Tony drives the nuke into the Chitauri portal is the most stirring music of the soundtrack. The team theme isn't bad, but pales in comparison imo.

Can't remember anything particularly interesting from Age of Ultron or CA:CW.

 

Guardians and all the Iron Man movies are notable more for the soundtracks than their scores.

[BetterButter]

Forest Whitaker Joins Marvel’s ‘Black Panther’

[JessePinkman]

I've yet to question one choice made in the casting of this movie. All they need to do now to completely satisfy my soul is cast Angela Bassett as literally anyone. 

[JustaPerson]

Now that Doctor Strange will most likely be in the next Avengers movie, PLEASE tell me we'll get this interaction. I don't care what context it's in, I just need it! 

[Kel Varnsen]

I would just be happy if one says "no shit sherlock" to the other. Or better yet Vision or Everett K. Ross says it to both of them.

[MadyGirl1987]

We are getting an Inhumans TV series next fall on ABC.

[JessePinkman]

 I guess that confirms that Inhumans was Perlmutter's baby. Frankly I'm worried because I've seen the Inhumans on Agents of SHIELD and they looked cheap and uninspired.  In fact I'm not a fan of any of the television series touching on space, I think that whole area should be reserved for the movies because a TV budget just can't compare to the MCU. 

That said they must be spending a pretty penny on that pilot if they intend to show it in IMAX. 

Edit: Oh it's only 8 episodes (including the two hour movie/pilot), NOW I'm excited.  This is fairly unprecedented, isn't it? To be aired first as a movie and then a tv series immediately afterward. Especially for network tv. They must be putting a lot of money into it if they're willing to commit to only eight episodes.

Edited November 15, 2016 by JessePinkman

[Kel Varnsen]

Isn't  8 episodes what Defenders is also getting? And isn't  that coming out next fall too? Will be interesting to see which one is better received. Also curious to see if they can find a tv calibre of actor who can pull off Black bolt.

Edited November 15, 2016 by Kel Varnsen

[Jazzy24]

5 minutes ago, Kel Varnsen said:

Isn't  8 episodes what Defenders is also getting? And isn't  that coming out next fall too? Will be interesting to see which one is better received. Also curious to see if they can find a tv calibre of actor who can pull off Black bolt.

I think The Defenders have the edge here, the four main character all have well received series(we haven't gotten Iron Fist yet)and have a overall solid foundation so they have a lot going for them. 

People can say what they like about Marvel and they deserve criticism for some things but no one can say that Marvel doesn't have a plan. 

[Raja]

On Monday, November 14, 2016 at 6:52 PM, JessePinkman said:

 I guess that confirms that Inhumans was Perlmutter's baby. Frankly I'm worried because I've seen the Inhumans on Agents of SHIELD and they looked cheap and uninspired.  In fact I'm not a fan of any of the television series touching on space, I think that whole area should be reserved for the movies because a TV budget just can't compare to the MCU. 

That said they must be spending a pretty penny on that pilot if they intend to show it in IMAX. 

Edit: Oh it's only 8 episodes (including the two hour movie/pilot), NOW I'm excited.  This is fairly unprecedented, isn't it? To be aired first as a movie and then a tv series immediately afterward. Especially for network tv. They must be putting a lot of money into it if they're willing to commit to only eight episodes.

It sounds like that they are following the path of the Battlestar Galactica reboot