S10.E21: Reunion Part 2

[ScoobieDoobs]

Could Carole be right?

Is Andy Cohen really skeered of Bethenny?  Idk, but I luved, luved, luved his pissed-off reaction to the accusation.  It was so worth getting fired for, Carole!

ANDY COHEN IS SCARED OF BETHENNY, la, la, la, la . . .maybe Lu can sing that in her way successful act?

[Mozelle]

32 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

Anyone else hear Bethenny say that when she was in LA Carol acted like she didn’t want her friends to see her.  That Carol made her pick her up and drop her off like she’s embarrassed to be seen with her.  There it is.  That’s where the hurt started.

And for me that story doesn't track because Carole and Bethenny had been friends for a couple years already by this point. They hadn't been leading some secret friendship.

Edited August 30, 2018 by Mozelle

[QuinnM]

2 minutes ago, Fiero425 said:

Because Carole doesn't have a huge staff running up her arse she doesn't have a fk'n career!

No it’s because she doesn’t do anything.  So that’s not a career.  FYI - Andy has a pretty significant career.  The Real Housewives are just one of the shows he produces.

Edited August 30, 2018 by QuinnM

[Mrs peel]

3 hours ago, Mozelle said:

Yeah, after it's all said and done, I think that Tinsley does want Scott otherwise she'd get off that damn merry-go-round with him, once and for all.

I think Tinsley wants the wallet.  That said, she ain’t getting engaged to him, he obviously has no interest in that.  Jeez, she said they break up because he can’t focus on her and his work at the same time, yet he has time to date others?  Yeah no.  Tinsley needs to develop some self-respect.

wow, for the first couple of minutes I was feeling sorry for B, and wondering what the heck was happening to me.  Luckily she reverted to her true personality.  B, if you want to claim you aren’t bullying someone?  Let them speak.  Constantly interrupting Carole when she was trying to give an example of your bullying is itself bullying.  I so wanted Carole at that point to just say “this.... this continuing to talk as I’m trying to speak, that’s another example of your bullying.”

the whole “Carole doesn’t have a career” thing makes me wonder if B is just jealous of those who don’t have to work.  Let’s face it, Carole is effectively retired.  She seems to manage to live well with no job.  That’s not a bad thing, and it’s not as if Carole spent the season claiming to have a busy career (for that, B look to your right to the delusional Sonja).  

B connecting Luann with Dennis to discuss her legal issues came out of the blue.  Very odd.

Edited August 30, 2018 by Mrs peel
Typos yet again...

[bencr]

I think Carole just finds Bethenny too needy and exhausting as a friend and really just wanted to break off the friendship or, at least, cool it down. Bethenny gave her plenty of ammo to work with, but the initial impulse to cool off the friendship was Carole's, in my opinion.

Edited August 30, 2018 by bencr

[Mozelle]

3 minutes ago, AnnA said:

It's not proof if you write it yourself.    She wasn't reading a text.  She was reading qa list of words she claims Bethenny called her.  No biggie!  She said plenty about Bethany too.    

Bethenny did call her those things, though. Carole didn't pull it from thin air.

[Pop Tart]

Bethenny knew the moment Carole said that Andy was afraid of Bethenny too that that would be the end for Carole. That’s what that smile there at the end meant. 

[Gem 10]

4 minutes ago, goofygirl said:

So Dennis died of a drug overdose? When did THIS happen?

Weeks ago.  He took a combination of oxycodone, Vicodin and sleeping pills.  A concoction which stops the heart.

[Fiero425]

2 minutes ago, Mozelle said:

Bethenny did call her those things, though. Carole didn't pull it from thin air.

Denial is one strange thing IMB! We see what's going on, but some see what they want to see and deflect/transfer with their denials! lol! ;-)

Edited August 30, 2018 by Fiero425

[Martinigirl]

1 minute ago, Mozelle said:

Bethenny did call her those things, though. Carole didn't pull it from thin air.

I just can't figure out why Carole didn't just ask Bethenny  about the things she heard....if my friend was saying stuff I would ask her right then and there. Makes me think Carole's jealousy got in the way and she wanted to take Bethenny down. Like it was planned ahead of time. 

[Mozelle]

2 minutes ago, bencr said:

I think Carole just finds Bethenny too needy and exhausting as a friend and really just wanted to break off the friendship or, at least, cool it down. Bethenny gave her plenty of ammo to work with, but the initial impulse to cool off the friendship was Carole's, in my opinion.

I can buy this. In response to Bethenny asking why Carole never called her narcissist before, Carole was doing that shruggy, "Wellll...." kind of thing that says, "Well, I kinda did, but I thought I could overlook it." I think after hanging tough with Bethenny for a year, it got to be too much being around someone who's always in crisis mode and "me me me me."

[tribeca]

I know people don’t like Carole but I found it very sad when she said her husband died and if he hadn’t they would have had a child together.   As someone who wasn’t blessed with children it’s incredible hurtful when those who have children rub in your face.  

[rehoboth]

1 minute ago, Gem 10 said:

Weeks ago.  He took a combination of oxycodone, Vicodin and sleeping pills.  A concoction which stops the heart.

But before he passed, he asked an assistant to get him some Narcan. 

Is that the next big status thing for the rich and powerful?  " Why yes I have an assistant follow me around with Narcan in case I can't hold my opioids.  Anybody need some?"

[Rosiejuliemom]

7 minutes ago, AnnA said:

It's not proof if you write it yourself.    She wasn't reading a text.  She was reading a list of words she claims Bethenny called her.  No biggie!  She said plenty about Bethany too.    

Everything Carole said is something Bethenny said about her on the show.

She wasn't claiming anything. She was stating the things that Beth said.

[Mozelle]

Just now, Martinigirl said:

I just can't figure out why Carole didn't just ask Bethenny  about the things she heard....if my friend was saying stuff I would ask her right then and there. Makes me think Carole's jealousy got in the way and she wanted to take Bethenny down. Like it was planned ahead of time. 

I don't think that Carole is jealous of Bethenny or that she planned it ahead of time.

[scoobie1]

Hi ! I have to go back to read all your comments but ... this... was.. hilarious

Carole: You said Ramona was evil 

Ramona: Thanks Bethenny

Bethenny: you're welcome.  

LOL ! Bethenny is reading her phone while Carole said that and without looking up she gave a quick bland "you're welcome" to Ramona.  So funny!  

[Mrs peel]

28 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

Perhaps in her vagina?

I know, I know.  Straight to Hell I go.  :-)

Right there with you WalnutQueen!

[Bronzedog]

I'm not sure what I expected, but, I was kind of disappointed.  I knew they'd wait until the end for the Bethenny/Carole stuff, but, I guess I wanted to see more of Andy's reaction.  I found the whole hour kind of underwhelming.  You'd think I was new here.

[BodhiGurl]

Bethenny said some snarky, borderline nasty (nasty is in the ear of the listener) things about Carole but she did not bully her "all season long". This is shades of Kelly Jellybeans Bensimone pleading "systematic bullying". Did Carole watch old RHONY episodes or something to build her arsenal. Hey - I get it, Bethenny can be a piece of work in her own right but that doesn't excuse Carole from her behavior this season - and quite frankly since she got on the show, she was just more stealth about it in the past. I still go back to her first season and her constant talking heads where she said judgey things about Luanne, long before Adam was in the picture...  I saw that tweet from Carole defending Drunkinda... Apparently it's only been this season and was only a handful of times over 5 months that Drunkinda was drunk and nasty. Oh. Kay. Yeah.....

[QuinnM]

3 minutes ago, scoobie1 said:

LOL ! Bethenny is reading her phone while Carole said that and without looking up she gave a quick bland "you're welcome" to Ramona.  So funny!  

This is what people like Ramona find so infuriating.  That girl thinks on her feet.  She thinks fast.  

[bosawks]

Texts, folders, receipts!

It’s like Darrow vs. Bryan, except not....

[Martinigirl]

4 minutes ago, Mozelle said:

I don't think that Carole is jealous of Bethenny or that she planned it ahead of time.

I think she did when she didn't get a bigger part on Bethenny's spin off with Fredrick. 

[AnnA]

6 minutes ago, Mozelle said:

Bethenny did call her those things, though. Carole didn't pull it from thin air.

Yes she did.   I was commenting on the black and white being proof.

 

5 minutes ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

Everything Carole said is something Bethenny said about her on the show.

She wasn't claiming anything. She was stating the things that Beth said.

Yes

[bencr]

6 minutes ago, Mozelle said:

I think after hanging tough with Bethenny for a year, it got to be too much being around someone who's always in crisis mode and "me me me me."

Didn't Bethenny herself say that as a friend she's a lot of work, or something to that effect?

[Gem 10]

39 minutes ago, AnnA said:

Carole - you don't have a career!

Yes she does.  She trained for the marathon, ran the marathon, and is recooperating after the marathon.   That’s a big job in itself.  Oh, and she makes coffee, which is very hard to master.  Lmao.

Edited August 30, 2018 by Gem 10

[Martinigirl]

2 minutes ago, BodhiGurl said:

Bethenny said some snarky, borderline nasty (nasty is in the ear of the listener) things about Carole but she did not bully her "all season long". This is shades of Kelly Jellybeans Bensimone pleading "systematic bullying". Did Carole watch old RHONY episodes or something to build her arsenal. Hey - I get it, Bethenny can be a piece of work in her own right but that doesn't excuse Carole from her behavior this season - and quite frankly since she got on the show, she was just more stealth about it in the past. I still go back to her first season and her constant talking heads where she said judgey things about Luanne, long before Adam was in the picture...  I saw that tweet from Carole defending Drunkinda... Apparently it's only been this season and was only a handful of times over 5 months that Drunkinda was drunk and nasty. Oh. Kay. Yeah.....

She had to cover the fact that she was adam's girlfriend (luann's niece) babysitter. Make Lu look bad first

[VioletHues]

1 hour ago, Fiero425 said:

I'm sorry, but Dorinda's cracking me up! I'm LMAO at her being assertive and telling these b!tches off trying to make her out to be a drunk on Nat'l TV! 

She doesn't need them to make her out to look like a drunk on TV, she can take care of that on her own.

35 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Carole is complaining about being age shamed. With the shit she's said about Luanne and Sonja? Okaaaaay.

She's ridiculous. At this point, I pity her.

[SweetieDarling]

25 minutes ago, AnnA said:

In memory of Dennis Shields.

nice!

I don't know...would you really want a housewives reunion show dedicated to you?  Is it considered respectful to have a show full of screeching harpies dedicated to your memory? What does that say about a person, or how the people dedicating the show felt about them?

 

@walnutqueen make room for me in your handbasket. I'll bring wine and snacks.

[Chit Chat]

27 minutes ago, AnnA said:

The expression on Bethenny's face at that moment was priceless.  She knew then that Carole was going to be fired.  Carole's a stupid entitled bitch!   You don't have a career and now you don't even have a job. 

I wouldn't cry over being fired from this shit storm of a show.  Get out while you can Carole!  Run!  Run far away!  

[bagger]

17 minutes ago, Mrs peel said:

I think Tinsley wants the wallet.  That said, she ain’t getting engaged to him, he obviously has no interest in that.  Jeez, she said they break up because he can’t foxus on her and his work at the same time, yet he has time to date others?  Yeah no.  Tinsley needs to develop some self-respect.

wow, for the first couple of minutes I was feeling sorry for B, and wondering what the heck was happening to me.  Luckily she reverted to her true personality.  B, if you want to claim you aren’t bullying someone?  Let them speak.  Constantly interrupting Carole when she was trying to give an example of your bullying is itself bullying.  I so wanted Carole at that point to just say “this.... this continuing to talk as I’m trying to speak, that’s another example of your bullying.”

the whole “Carole doesn’t have a career” thing makes me wonder if B is just jealous of those who don’t have to work.  Let’s face it, Carole is effectively retired.  She seems to manage to live well with no job.  That’s not a bad thing, and it’s not as if Carole spent the season claiming to have a busy career (for that, B look to your right to the delusional Sonja).  

B connecting Luann with Dennis to discuss her legal issues came out of the blue.  Very odd.

Carol spent the whole first segment of this reunion talking over Bethenny. Why shouldn’t Bethenny return the favor? Carol got as good as she gave. 

[ShawnaLanne]

11 minutes ago, tribeca said:

I know people don’t like Carole but I found it very sad when she said her husband died and if he hadn’t they would have had a child together.   As someone who wasn’t blessed with children it’s incredible hurtful when those who have children rub in your face.  

She's said that before. It does make me sad for her. Rubbing the not having kids in her face isn't something I'll defend Bethenny about. The no career thing though, alllllll day.

[Mozelle]

5 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

I think she did when she didn't get a bigger part on Bethenny's spin off with Fredrick. 

I know nothing about this since I didn't watch whatever that show was. Did Carole appear on that show and act like she needed to be a co-star? Because from what I've read in the forum, this Frederick guy made it clear that he wasn't interested in doing another season with Bethenny. Is that what Carole is really jealous of?

[Thumper]

54 minutes ago, Gem 10 said:

That’s exactly the right word ..Bully.  A very mean bully at that.  What bothers me is everyone is letting her off the hook about her drinking.  Why can’t someone just say “ Dorinda, you have to go to rehab”.  She’s laughing about all the incidents when she was sloppy drunk.  She thinks everything she did while drinking was so funny.  That woman is mental and became unlikeable.   Andy should not have her return.  She is not fun at all and brings nothing to the show imo.

I think some people did talk to her in private (Carole, Beth, maybe Ramona?)    They mentioned it tonight.  But not wanting to make a scene at the reunion on TV. 

[ShawnaLanne]

12 minutes ago, rehoboth said:

But before he passed, he asked an assistant to get him some Narcan. 

Is that the next big status thing for the rich and powerful?  " Why yes I have an assistant follow me around with Narcan in case I can't hold my opioids.  Anybody need some?"

He asked for it after he OD'd just before he died. I personally have compassion for anyone, rich or poor who dies like that.

[Chit Chat]

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I don't know...would you really want a housewives reunion show dedicated to you?  Is it considered respectful to have a show full of screeching harpies dedicated to your memory? What does that say about a person, or how the people dedicating the show felt about them?

I was thinking the same thing.  I felt insulted for him!

1 minute ago, bagger said:

Carol spent the whole first segment of this reunion talking over Bethenny.

You have to do that if you want to be heard.  Bethenny talks non-stop, so either you interrupt or verbally steamroll her just like she does others.  

[tribeca]

1 minute ago, Mozelle said:

I know nothing about this since I didn't watch whatever that show was. Did Carole appear on that show and act like she needed to be a co-star? Because from what I've read in the forum, this Frederick guy made it clear that he wasn't interested in doing another season with Bethenny. Is that what Carole is really jealous of?

I think that was a joke.  

[Mozelle]

5 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

I don't know...would you really want a housewives reunion show dedicated to you?  Is it considered respectful to have a show full of screeching harpies dedicated to your memory? What does that say about a person, or how the people dedicating the show felt about them?

 

@walnutqueen make room for me in your handbasket. I'll bring wine and snacks.

OK, I'm glad you said this because I found it really jarring. Like, these screaming and shouty ladies that we just watched...was in memory of Dennis Shields? It didn't compute. It was awkward, to say the least.

7 minutes ago, bencr said:

Didn't Bethenny herself say that as a friend she's a lot of work, or something to that effect?

I believe she said it at some point during the season once the friendship started breaking down.

[ShawnaLanne]

8 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

I don't know...would you really want a housewives reunion show dedicated to you?  Is it considered respectful to have a show full of screeching harpies dedicated to your memory? What does that say about a person, or how the people dedicating the show felt about them?

 

@walnutqueen make room for me in your handbasket. I'll bring wine and snacks.

That was my first thought.

We need a bus for that trip to hell.

[nexxie]

16 minutes ago, tribeca said:

I know people don’t like Carole but I found it very sad when she said her husband died and if he hadn’t they would have had a child together.   As someone who wasn’t blessed with children it’s incredible hurtful when those who have children rub in your face.  

Bethenny feels good about herself for a few seconds when she cuts someone deep - then immediately goes back to hating herself.

[Gem 10]

3 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

She's said that before. It does make me sad for her. Rubbing the not having kids in her face isn't something I'll defend Bethenny about. The no career thing though, alllllll day.

I’m not 100 percent sure, but in her book, didn’t she say he had some kind of cancer before the cancer that killed him, that he had treatments that made him sterile?  Maybe I’m right or wrong.  Anyone?

[ShawnaLanne]

2 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

I was thinking the same thing.  I felt insulted for him!

You have to do that if you want to be heard.  Bethenny talks non-stop, so either you interrupt or verbally steamroll her just like she does others.  

Yes. But then she did her I'm Carole and I'm a victim schtick and whined that she was being talked over after her, Moe and Curly had straight up screamed over Bethenny for the first hour.

Again. This is another example of Carole being a hypocrite and treating people like shit, but expecting to be treated differently. F Carole.

[AnnA]

7 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

She's said that before. It does make me sad for her. Rubbing the not having kids in her face isn't something I'll defend Bethenny about. The no career thing though, alllllll day.

In don't think she really rubbed her face in it.   She said that Carole and Tinsly had those things in common, I.e. no career & no children. 

[noveltylibrary]

1 hour ago, ShawnaLanne said:

To be fair, she can do that sober. She's just much harder to understand and more violent when drunk.

And oh but she wasn't drunk when she made the mugshot comment.  Ooookayyyy....

[scoobie1]

47 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Yes Carole. If everything you say is okay because it's true, well, Bethenny is telling truths too.

This!  It's true Carole has no career.  Truth.   Carole has no kids. Truth.  

Bethenny likes to dominate the conversation. Truth.   Bethenny likes things to be about herself. Truth.   

So Carole why is your truth less hurtful than hers?  

[VioletHues]

People may come down on me for this, but I read What Remains and I'm not so sure that Carole and Anthony would have a child right now had he lived. Of course no one can ever know, but she didn't seem very happy with him and that relationship. She seemed much more passionate about being with Carolyn than she did with Anthony. 

[scoobie1]

An interesting thing about their shouting match was this:

Bethenny :  And I wasn't all those things last year?  Did I suddenly become all those things you say I am?   

Carole then said something like well, I did sort of see it or something like that.  Please stop Carole. Just stop with that.  You didn't give a crap that Bethenny was the same person last year when she was whisking you away here and there.  You were just fine with her personality until you weren't.  Bethenny is the same person she has always been.  

[Thumper]

42 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Are you scared of Bethenny too was even worse. Lol. Oh Carole is a stupid, entitled child.

Maybe not smart, but saying what many of us are thinking.  

Plus, if Carole is/was friends with Andy, she may have felt she was with a "friend."  Guess not.

[ShawnaLanne]

3 minutes ago, VioletHues said:

People may come down on me for this, but I read What Remains and I'm not so sure that Carole and Anthony would have a child right now had he lived. Of course no one can ever know, but she didn't seem very happy with him and that relationship. She seemed much more passionate about being with Carolyn than she did with Anthony. 

Seeing how her friendships progress that probably wouldn't have lasted either.

Edited August 30, 2018 by ShawnaLanne

[AnnA]

5 minutes ago, Gem 10 said:

I’m not 100 percent sure, but in her book, didn’t she say he had some kind of cancer before the cancer that killed him, that he had treatments that made him sterile?  Maybe I’m right or wrong.  Anyone?

I don't know.  I didn't read the book but you did LOL

If Carole had a child, it would be almost Adam's age.   They could be BFFs LOL

Edited August 30, 2018 by AnnA

[bagger]

10 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

I was thinking the same thing.  I felt insulted for him!

You have to do that if you want to be heard.  Bethenny talks non-stop, so either you interrupt or verbally steamroll her just like she does others.  

So then Carole should Ben ok with Bethenny talking over her. What’s good for the goose Ian good for the gander.