GreatKazu July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Lm2162 said: This thread is so disheartening. No wonder they feel entitled! The comments are ridiculous! I read the comments yesterday. It seems Tyler deleted a lot of the comments from people who mentioned their own open adoptions and how that does not equate to any sort of entitlement on the part of the bio parents. He is apologizing more for the TierraTrash website crashing than apologizing for his insensitive comment. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3449224
lilmarysunshine July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 (edited) So much for these two yahoos being the poster children for adoption! eta: Tyler is really trying to walk that comment back. Good luck, buddy. You really showed how you feel about it. In fact, I think Catelynn sort of added "selfish" in there and he even waved off that comment and said "entitled," meaning it isn't "selfish," he's owed that. I cannot imagine how livid that comment made B&T but they knew it already. It's the same reason his druggie father disregarded their wishes and walked up to her at the wedding. It's the same reason why they were posting pictures on SM when they asked that they not. The only way Carly would resent her parents for keeping her away from C&T is if she has a bad relationship with them when she's older and she's looking for one more thing to be angry with them about. And C&T shouldn't want that and I don't expect it. I am sure B&T will explain to her (in more detail as she gets older) why they made that choice and Carly can investigate for herself and see they told her the truth. Edited July 12, 2017 by lilmarysunshine 13 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3449226
GreatKazu July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 (edited) Tyler's excuse is it was his FEELINGS, not that he is actually entitled to Carly. I feel entitled to kick Tyler's ass. Edited July 12, 2017 by GreatKazu 14 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3449315
ghoulina July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 So, what if I said - "I'm not actually a serial killer, I just FEEL like a serial killer". Would that put people's minds at ease? I mean, he is entitled to his feelings. But feelings often lead to actions - such as refusing to respect the wishes of the people who are actually RAISING Carly. So he should keep those feelings to himself and/or work through them with a non-Kinkos employed therapist. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3450305
Snarky McSnarky July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 22 hours ago, MaddyMaeboxerbabe said: Tierrareign website crashed....so still preparing to launch! Day Two, and teary rain is still inaccessible. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3450809
ReadMeLattice July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 "I'm not selfish, I'm just entitled" should definitely be on a t shirt. Maybe TTM can pick it up. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3450815
SPLAIN July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 26 minutes ago, Snarky McSnarky said: Day Two, and teary rain is still inaccessible. LOL Thank you, Jesus. I know your hands are full with Jenelle's kids, but thanks for answering my prayers. 26 minutes ago, Lm2162 said: "I'm not selfish, I'm just entitled" should definitely be on a t shirt. Maybe TTM can pick it up. He should have that tattooed on Cate's forehead. God knows she has the room for that and then some. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3450887
leighroda July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Lm2162 said: "I'm not selfish, I'm just entitled" should definitely be on a t shirt. Maybe TTM can pick it up. Then in the back... "I'm not entitled, I FEEEL entitled" 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3451018
CaliforniaLove July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 Quote Tyler's excuse is it was his FEELINGS, not that he is actually entitled to Carly. I feel entitled to kick Taylor's ass. At this point, I don't even know if the second sentence contains a typo... 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3451113
GreatKazu July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, CaliforniaLove said: At this point, I don't even know if the second sentence contains a typo... It is. I meant Tyler. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3451126
FlowerofCarnage July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 He feels entitled yet was so adamant about not raising her. He feels entitled yet threatened Cate with a break up if she didn't place the baby and he and his mother only welcomed Cate into their home until the adoption was finalized. He did everything in his power to sever any obligation he had toward Carly but feels entitled have a place in her life! Have several seats, Tyler. 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3451145
GreatKazu July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 It's easy to have regrets and entitlement after the fact when MTV is filling his pockets. He had the worry about child support 8 years ago. Money is no longer a worry in his eyes. Cate implied the money aspect as well when she met with Dawn at the coffee shop and said, "Had we known then what we know now." 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3451162
CaliforniaLove July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 Quote It's easy to have regrets and entitlement after the fact when MTV is filling his pockets. He had the worry about child support 8 years ago. Money is no longer a worry in his eyes. Cate implied the money aspect as well when she met with Dawn at the coffee shop and said, "Had we known then what we know now." Yeah, but what's funny is...do you think they would have been chosen for Teen Mom if they had decided to keep Carly? The adoption angle was their golden ticket. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3451176
GreatKazu July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 34 minutes ago, CaliforniaLove said: Yeah, but what's funny is...do you think they would have been chosen for Teen Mom if they had decided to keep Carly? The adoption angle was their golden ticket. That is exactly my point. Cate and Tyler are obviously referring to having the financial means to care for themselves and a child. The point is being missed how they were chosen because they were the one couple who were going the adoption route. They are acting as if they would have had TM money to care for Carly. Hell, they wouldn't have remained a couple since we know Tyler would have left Cate. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3451294
lexiexx July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 4 hours ago, CaliforniaLove said: Yeah, but what's funny is...do you think they would have been chosen for Teen Mom if they had decided to keep Carly? The adoption angle was their golden ticket. I think it's possible that they still would have been on the show because they could have shown how it panned out for them to choose to parent after taking the adoption plan that far. I think the adoption storyline got them onto 16 and pregnant tho. 4 hours ago, FlowerofCarnage said: He feels entitled yet was so adamant about not raising her. He feels entitled yet threatened Cate with a break up if she didn't place the baby and he and his mother only welcomed Cate into their home until the adoption was finalized. He did everything in his power to sever any obligation he had toward Carly but feels entitled have a place in her life! Have several seats, Tyler. I honestly don't think Tyler loves Carly. She's just a storyline to him, and something to play victim about. If I was Cate I would hate Tyler's guts for what he did, and continues to do. it's like she can see in hindsight that she would keep Carly if she could do it over again (just IMO) but blames Brandon and Theresa instead of Tyler. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3452065
sunsheyen July 12, 2017 Share July 12, 2017 5 hours ago, CaliforniaLove said: Yeah, but what's funny is...do you think they would have been chosen for Teen Mom if they had decided to keep Carly? The adoption angle was their golden ticket. I get that point, but their situation was also so trainwreck trashy, I could see them being chosen for TM even with keeping Carly. Stepsiblings having a kid while their junkie parents duke it out and go back and forth to jail? No brainer storyline. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3452199
ginger90 July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 The clothing site is up. I wanted to see their prices but stopped after the home page About Us: Tierra Reign is a clothing line made for all types of kids! Tierra Reign prides itself on producing products right here in the USA. The personally designed Tierra Reign items are handmade in our home state of Michigan. Tierra Reign is owned and operated by us, Tyler and Catelynn Baltierra. We appear on the hit television series‘Teen Mom OG’ and ’16 and Pregnant’ which appear on MTV. We are producers and creators of the hit special‘Reunited’ on MTV. We are the authors of ‘Conquering Chaos’, which is a book based on our lives surviving as careless teens in chaotic and dysfunctional family environments. This lifestyle and chaos eventually led to an unintended pregnancy. We wanted what was best for our child regardless of the pain or sacrifice required to give our baby what she deserved. So we courageously decided to place our first born, Carly, into an open adoption plan at the young age of 16, which is the hardest thing we have ever done. We are national and international public speakers. We spent 3 years after making an adoption plan for our daughter Carly, traveling across the world to various universities, high schools, and events speaking to the youth and sharing our story. Our hope was to inspire others and help educate people on what adoption looks like today. We are middle school sweethearts that got married after 10 years together at the age of 23. We had another child named Novalee Reign Baltierra. In the midst of raising our daughter Nova, we realized how hard it was to find good quality children’s clothing that fit our unique styles. So, we decided to invest in our own clothing line for kids. That’s when Tierra Reign was born. We hope you like our personally designed threads for your little ones and we can’t thank you enough for all of your support! “Reign Over Your Dreams” Much love, Tyler and Catelynn Baltierra Also included is a picture of the two of them http://www.tierrareign.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Tierra-Reign-About-Me-Pic.jpg There are 19 pieces from what I see. 7 of them are t shirts with the tierra reign logo. Not one child shown is smiling. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3452334
ginger90 July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 I take back the no smiling part, lol, there's a couple. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3452349
druzy July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, ginger90 said: The clothing site is up. I wanted to see their prices but stopped after the home page So we courageously decided to place our first born, Carly, into an open adoption plan at the young age of 16, which is the hardest thing we have ever done. We are national and international public speakers. We spent 3 years after making an adoption plan for our daugh Lol- it sounds like they placed Carly up for adoption when Carly was 16. 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3452352
MaddyMaeboxerbabe July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 Wonder if Tyler Got injured patting himself on the back so much. 17 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3452370
Chris Knight July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, druzy said: Lol- it sounds like they placed Carly up for adoption when Carly was 16. Their grammar is terrible. They are not international speakers, are they? Maybe they went to Canada. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3452377
poopchute July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 They seem to have a third grade education. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3452555
CofCinci July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 (edited) Quote We had another child named Novalee Reign Baltierra. In the midst of raising our daughter Nova, we realized how hard it was to find good quality children’s clothing that fit our unique styles. Yeah, while watching Novalee pick feces off the floor Tyler thought about how her clothes need more fringe and lace. Their clothing is designed by people who obviously don't have children. Edited July 13, 2017 by CofCinci 20 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3452600
Mambo Gladys July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 The clothes are so awful. Sorry to say but I don't think their leg humpers can afford to pay $25 for one pair of baggy crotch shorts or one "peek a belly" tank. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3452634
mamadrama July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 Thoughts on website: - The "about us" should not be at the top, the first thing you see. It should either be at the very bottom or on a separate page. It's also too long. Break that shit up. White space is your friend. People read differently on the internet. - The landing page should have a picture of, you know, the clothes. Not of THEM. If they're trying to brand, then have their picture in the corner or down at the bottom. If I'd never heard of them, I wouldn't care who the hell they were and I'd wonder where the actual outfits were. - Speaking of...Cate looks happy and pretty in that picture. Tyler looks pained, deer in headlights. - "Harem" shorts? To go with the hooker makeup on Leah, perhaps? 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3452641
ginger90 July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 Quote - The "about us" should not be at the top, the first thing you see. It should either be at the very bottom or on a separate page. It's also too long. Break that shit up. White space is your friend. People read differently on the internet. Exactly. Look for the "About us" on this page. It's at the bottom as a link. Get people interested in the product (good luck) , then they may want to know about you. It's too much information, and poorly written. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3452690
Caracoa1 July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 Why do they feel the need to bring Carly's name into absolutely everything they do in their lives. Yes..we get it.....you made a huge sacrifice by giving up your daughter and not for one minute are you going to let anyone forget! 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3452805
ReadMeLattice July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Caracoa1 said: Why do they feel the need to bring Carly's name into absolutely everything they do in their lives. Yes..we get it.....you made a huge sacrifice by giving up your daughter and not for one minute are you going to let anyone forget! I feel like a sociopath for saying it but I never thought I'd be so tired of hearing about a little girl. Jesus, are they going to be 83 and still talking about when Carly comes to live with them? 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3453140
AmyFarrahFowler July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 11 hours ago, FlowerofCarnage said: He feels entitled yet was so adamant about not raising her. He feels entitled yet threatened Cate with a break up if she didn't place the baby and he and his mother only welcomed Cate into their home until the adoption was finalized. He did everything in his power to sever any obligation he had toward Carly but feels entitled have a place in her life! Have several seats, Tyler. I feel so dumb! Seriously it never dawned on me that Kim threw Catelynn out because she couldn't renege on the adoption. What a scheming witch. 4 hours ago, ChicagoChris said: Their grammar is terrible. It's almost as if Farrah wrote this for them. 3 hours ago, mamadrama said: "Harem" shorts? To go with the hooker makeup on Leah, perhaps? That would be the baby hooker make-up (constantly envisioning Jodie Foster in Taxi Driver). 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3453185
Calm81 July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 (edited) The 'about us' page said that they speak internationally about their adoption. However, on "Ask the Moms" Cate said she hasn't left the Country. ? Their about page shouldn't be the first thing on the landing page. The visitors shouldn't have to go LOOKING for the clothing. I can't stand reading wall text. Space that shit up!! The logo is way too big above the fold and nobody should have to scroll all the way down to see what the website is about. The clothing is too expensive for what it is and AGAIN with the dang pocket shirts!!! I'm being haunted by them...unless Maci snuck in some of her clothing on their site as a "scratch my back I'll scratch yours," which leaves Terra Reign Drops no designs of their own aside from a couple fringe designs. I give their site 6 months (with hardly any sales) before it gets yanked due to embarrassment by Tyler. Plus, the almighty Google will not like the bounce rate their site will have. Then again, it's only "fans" looking for their website. Edited July 13, 2017 by Calm81 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3453347
CofCinci July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 So much grandiosity with Tyler's writing. Reunited was not a hit. When did they travel internationally? PR is a US territory. Middle school sweethearts? No, you were step-siblings with poor boundaries who didn't use a condom. 16 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3453360
Mischievious July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 On 7/11/2017 at 7:11 PM, GreatKazu said: I read the comments yesterday. It seems Tyler deleted a lot of the comments from people who mentioned their own open adoptions and how that does not equate to any sort of entitlement on the part of the bio parents. He is apologizing more for the TierraTrash website crashing than apologizing for his insensitive comment. Since is Twitter, it isn't possible for Tyler to delete other people's tweets/comments. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3453392
ginger90 July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, Mischievious said: Since is Twitter, it isn't possible for Tyler to delete other people's tweets/comments. He can delete them from his own page, they have all done it. If someone tweeted from their own, and tagged him, they would still be on that twitter page, I am assuming? 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3453404
EmeraldGirl July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 They could at least stop using Carly's fricken name. Just say "our daughter". And naming a place "The Carly House"? Yeah, because that upper-middle class little girl wants her legacy to already be set as an unwed mother home, or whatever the hell it's supposed to be. Have they never seen a shopping website? Go to any store and see the PRODUCT front and center. I'm still lost on the concept. So only so many of these are made, and when they're sold out that's it? Then Tyler rolls out a whole new inventory? How is that anything but a pocket money job? And who is their right mind wants a t-shirt with that name on it? People will forever be asking those poor kids what their shirt means, and what is the answer? They're made by this young couple who got on tv because the girl was a pregnant teenager, and now they buy drugs and pigs and stuff. 14 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3453413
lexiexx July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 yup. They did it for Carly when they got that pig that lives at aprils now. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3453502
CofCinci July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 Brandon and Teresa should consult with Farrah to learn how to get a cease and desist order because Tyler is never going to respect their wishes. Catelynn would respect their requests/boundaries but Tyler is just a narcissist. 15 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3453655
ReadMeLattice July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 2 hours ago, EmeraldGirl said: They're made by this young couple who got on tv because the girl was a pregnant teenager, and now they buy drugs and pigs and stuff. I AM DYING. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3453668
ghoulina July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 "Hit". They keep using that word. I do not think they know what it means. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3453968
FlowerofCarnage July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 16 hours ago, lexiexx said: I think it's possible that they still would have been on the show because they could have shown how it panned out for them to choose to parent after taking the adoption plan that far. I think the adoption storyline got them onto 16 and pregnant tho. I honestly don't think Tyler loves Carly. She's just a storyline to him, and something to play victim about. If I was Cate I would hate Tyler's guts for what he did, and continues to do. it's like she can see in hindsight that she would keep Carly if she could do it over again (just IMO) but blames Brandon and Theresa instead of Tyler. I agree. The nerve of him when we all know that had there been no Teen Mom, he would have dumped Cate eventually and let the adoption close(at least for him). 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3454033
MargeGunderson July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 Carly gets a foundation named after her, and Nova gets a crappy clothing line that uses her middle name. I hope Cate and Tyler are saving up for Nova's inevitable therapy. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3454200
smores July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 2 hours ago, ghoulina said: "Hit". They keep using that word. I do not think they know what it means. Well, they do, but not in the context they are trying to use it. Now, in reference to Boogietown? 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3454420
ginger90 July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 2 hours ago, ghoulina said: "Hit". They keep using that word. I do not think they know what it means. They have 19 pieces of clothing with pictures, 10 people click on them once, and going to the site itself counts, correct? So there's the 200 "hits" Tyler is bragging about? Yes, no? 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3454453
ginger90 July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 Sold out............ https://mobile.twitter.com/TylerBaltierra/status/885537103878205441?p=v 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3454612
Brooklynista July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, ginger90 said: Sold out............ https://mobile.twitter.com/TylerBaltierra/status/885537103878205441?p=v They made 20 pieces!! Yes the crap sold out but they act as if they were selling the new iPhone. Idiots. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3454632
ghoulina July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 Haha, did they make literally 20 pieces? Not 20 designs? Wow. That's actually kind of sad if it took 2 whole days for TWENTY pieces of clothing to sell. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3454741
ginger90 July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 $26.99 SHOP The personally designed Tierra Reign items are EXCLUSIVE and once they sell out they will NOT be sold again! The garments with the Tierra Reign logo are the only exception and will be restocked as needed. Thank you again for supporting this American made company “Reign Over Your Dreams” 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3454761
ghoulina July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 Thank God there will only be a limited supply of those baby grandma hooker shorts out there. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3454806
Chris Knight July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, ghoulina said: Thank God there will only be a limited supply of those baby grandma hooker shorts out there. Don't worry, someone in the comments suggested they start a boys line. I assume that means sunglasses, goofy vests, tiny hats, and Free Butch t-shirts. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3454829
ginger90 July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 There was a comment asking if they were going to sell the t shirts with the logo in adult sizes. Tyler said many have asked that. Really? Who ARE these people? 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3454843
CaliforniaLove July 13, 2017 Share July 13, 2017 Quote There was a comment asking if they were going to sell the t shirts with the logo in adult sizes. Tyler said many have asked that. Really? Who ARE these people? Matt. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/84/#findComment-3454876
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