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apinknightmare
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Anyone who actually thinks she's dead deserves the crushing disappointment they'll feel when they find out she isn't. 

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calliope1975
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If we're forgetting things, I hope one of them is Felicity and Curtis ever being in business together.  The time to redeem NTA was last season, and there was clearly no attempt to do so. Just lik

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Delphi

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15 hours ago, kes0704 said:

I appreciate the fact that they want to give weight to the prison story but I really, really, really hope it doesn’t play out for seven episodes or run on into the mid-season finale. Watching Oliver engage in multiple prisons fights and be separated into his own plot and away from Felicity and everyone else for a third of the season isn’t high on my list of “things I hope to see on Arrow”.  

Indeed,  if Beth and company thought I'd waste my nights hanging with Oliver in prison for half a season they are very mistaken. 

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Mary0360

Mary0360

3 hours ago, calliope1975 said:

I'm all down for a naked prison fight with Oliver, but naked!Diaz is on my list of Do Not Want Ever.

Yep. I don't want fully clothed Diaz so not interested in naked Diaz especially if it includes Oliver STILL being in prison. Though I'm sure Avacado thinks that everyone is in love with his body his ego is that ginormous.

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tennisgurl

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Wait, is the crossover going to be an Elseworld story? Thats freaking awesome, its what I wanted to happen!

Is it weird that the last few spoilers have actually gotten my attention? In a good way? I am actually feeling excited, which I haven't really felt in awhile. I am feeling so good, that I am even going to try really hard not to make a crack about awful, useless newbies for at least a little while...until they show up again :)

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Featherhat

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Is it possible that some of the still on going prison stuff might be flashbacks, or that there will be flashforwards to him being out etc. Because I can't believe they'll keep Oliver separate for 7+ episodes. That or the whole damp season is being told non linearly.

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Trisha

Trisha

5 hours ago, Featherhat said:

Is it possible that some of the still on going prison stuff might be flashbacks, or that there will be flashforwards to him being out etc. Because I can't believe they'll keep Oliver separate for 7+ episodes. That or the whole damp season is being told non linearly.

I’m really hoping there’s something to this. (Although the structure change that they hyped at Comic Con doesn’t seem to be a talking point in interviews anymore.) I’m trying to keep an open mind because we know so little, but the more SA posts from the prison set - like the IG pic from this morning - the less hyped I feel for the season. 

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way2interested

way2interested

The fact that they changes prison sets for 706 and that SA interacted with at least one of the main cast members around 705/706 makes me think something else is going on, like the plots coming to a head together or something.

Lol I asked some of my not in the know friends and one of them joked that what if this fight scene is a dream and Beth is trolling.

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insomniadreams88

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I really can't wait until that beard is gone. If Oliver refuses to shave when he's out of prison, we better see Felicity leaving razors everywhere: around their home, in the lair, etc. Oliver opens the refrigerator, there's a razor. Takes out a pan to cook, razor in it. Goes to take an arrow out of his quiver, pulls out a razor. Oliver goes into some random coffee shop and there's a razor on the counter.

ETA: Oh, I'm supposed to be worried about him getting beat up all the time in prison, right? I'm sorry, that beard is too distracting. 

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calliope1975

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I know prison is not super fun times, but how many episodes is it going to be Oliver getting his ass kicked? I can maybe do 2, max 3 eps of Oliver misery porn, but 1/3 of a season? I don't know anymore. I hope Beth has something different up her sleeve.

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Angel12d

Angel12d

The beard. My eyes, my poor eyes! I think the shaved head makes it look worse? But also, if he shaved his head in prison, couldn't he shave his face? This makes no sense, haha.

I really hope the prison storyline is more interesting than it sounds. There's only so much I can watch Oliver getting beaten up or whatever. I'm struggling to see how it will be anything other than repetitive. 

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Angel12d

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8 minutes ago, Sunshine said:

I think Diaz too but another possibility is the  guy in the coffee shop.  If she knew him previously it would complicate things.

I think that guy might be from 702? And it seems like they might be flashbacks.

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way2interested

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33 minutes ago, Trisha said:

Oh thank goodness! So 707 is when we expect him to be out of prison, then? Or are they on 708 now?

SA just finished 707, but I think they still have one more day on it.

What's also cool is since he shaved before 708, he'll actually have some good scruff in it and not the random discontinuity in 611 when some shots he has it and some he doesn't.

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way2interested

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8 minutes ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

So Oliver hopes to shorten his sentence by lying low. Maybe he actually worked out a better deal with Watson? If he’s good for X amount of time he walks? Would explain him counting the days in the trailer. 

I wonder that too and think it might be something like that too, which makes it weird (and look at that, oddly plot convenient to raise the stakes!) that it takes 5 months until the past villains actually show up. One could think that it's just a coincidence that these villains show up or one could think that Watson/someone else would put the villains in there on purpose to ruin Oliver's lay low plan.

I do also wonder now if it's all connected to them catching Diaz. Like, as of 701 when he's still out there Oliver's in prison, but 707 when Oliver fights him Oliver gets out. So what the timeline kind of looks like is--

701: Oliver's lay low plan goes fine until villains show up in prison and Felicity is attacked by Diaz, Felicity wants to fight back meanwhile Oliver, even though one of his stipulations in staying in prison is Felicity's and William's well-being, stays in prison

702: Oliver fights in prison, Felicity gets back with Team Arrow

703: Oliver is alone, likely in solitary. Meanwhile, Felicity contacts Watson (presumably to take down Diaz), lines are apparently crossed

704: William and maybe Felicity presumably gets attacked (probably by Diaz, I actually wonder if this is actually an attack or part of a plan). Oliver, again even though one of his stipulations is making sure William and Felicity are ok (this I actually wonder if might be part of the drama of the episode), stays in prison and actually possibly moves to Level Two (I wonder if that's the drama--choosing instead to remain in prison and trust that Felicity/the Team will handle it). BS comes in, possibly interferes with Diaz's attack

705: Lol no idea. Oliver is at least still in prison with the villains (at least CR), so something's up with the Level Two stuff

706: New prison set, Oliver interacts with a member of the team, I would guess for the drama of things coming to a head (Diaz possibly caught?)

707: Oliver has big fight scene including Diaz, likely in prison. After getting rid of Diaz, Oliver's main point of staying in prison is now done with, and now, after presumably acknowledging that the prison plan was not a good one (according to Beth and SA) and leaves.  

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insomniadreams88

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I still can't believe they're going to have Oliver in prison for a third of the season - because it is a third of the season - 7 episodes out of 21 (since it's a 22 episode season and the crossover takes up 709). 

I remember when I thought five episodes would be too many to have him in prison. I miss those days. 

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way2interested

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9 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Is SA starting to shoot the crossover now?  Is that why there is an obligatory limit to the beard?

He shouldn't be, the crossover shouldn't be filming for at least a week, even for early filming. The obligatory is because the prison thing was always going to be reversed by the crossover, and even SA implied that once the prison stuff is done the beard is gone.

Idk, obviously Beth has some sort of plan with this plot. I want to know what possibly happens around 704-706 because that's kind of where the vagueness comes in about what they're doing with the plot.

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From below Arrow filming notice for Oct. 3rd: "All filming takes place interior of the Metro Hall. We are filming a night club scene and will have 100 Back Ground Performers. There will be large groups of people crossing Carnarvon Street. We will have two New Westminster Police Officers on set for road safety."

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bethy

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1 hour ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

If Oliver escapes, can he go on the run with Felicity? Fine, William can come, too. 

Yes! And then never, never interact with TeamHorrible again. That could be a new structure for the season, right?

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BkWurm1

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When it comes to the brand new story structure thing they mentioned, I was wondering if maybe it's as simple as they aren't beholden to the week for a week structure anymore.  So that while for us Oliver stays in prison a ridiculously long time* after he -finds out that Felicity and William are at active risk, maybe it's not as long in show time.  Also, maybe they do an episode like 7-1  and then follow up with flashback episodes to flesh out how we got to where we were.  

* technically 6-7 weeks isn't super long in a life sentence but yeah, I was still working on bracing myself for Oliver in prison for 3 weeks, 7 seems like an eternity.  

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way2interested

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1 hour ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

If Oliver escapes, can he go on the run with Felicity? Fine, William can come, too. 

Plot twist: after this new naked fight, Felicity is right outside the prison to drive the two of them to a hotel. There, Oliver shaves his beard and then finally gets some dessert

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tennisgurl

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The beard has left us! Oh thank you Jesus, prayer works! So if Oliver goes on the run, presumably with Felicity and William does that mean he leaves to clear his name, or does he just say "screw it" and leave the city to the Newbies? Which, considering how he got locked up for the crime of saving the city about 700 times, I dont blame him. 

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JamieLynn832002

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I'm beyond glad the beard is gone but I don't understand how an actual escape can work. Oliver said if he escaped then Watson would just arrest everyone; Felicity would presumably run with him, A.R.G.U.S. and/or Lyla might be able to protect Dig but what about the Sucktastic Three? I don't care if they go to prison but Oliver, for some reason, seems to.

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insomniadreams88

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41 minutes ago, JamieLynn832002 said:

I'm beyond glad the beard is gone but I don't understand how an actual escape can work. Oliver said if he escaped then Watson would just arrest everyone; Felicity would presumably run with him, A.R.G.U.S. and/or Lyla might be able to protect Dig but what about the Sucktastic Three? I don't care if they go to prison but Oliver, for some reason, seems to.

None of that will matter once Oliver’s been in prison for a few months/episodes. That was really the deal. 

Watson: “Turn yourself in and stay in prison for about 6-7 months or until November sweeps, however long that is in TV time.”

Oliver: “Okay. As long as I’m out by the mid season finale/crossover.”

Random agent walking by: “November sweeps? TV time? Midseason finale? Crossover? What are they talking about?”

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BkWurm1

BkWurm1

1 hour ago, insomniadreams88 said:

None of that will matter once Oliver’s been in prison for a few months/episodes. That was really the deal. 

Watson: “Turn yourself in and stay in prison for about 6-7 months or until November sweeps, however long that is in TV time.”

Oliver: “Okay. As long as I’m out by the mid season finale/crossover.”

Random agent walking by: “November sweeps? TV time? Midseason finale? Crossover? What are they talking about?”

Also as part of your punishment, you must grow a beard.  Not the attractive kind but the kind people smell five feet away. 

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