"The View": Week Of 6/4/2018

[WarnerCL45]

30 minutes ago, merriebreeze said:

Whoopi, would it kill you to read about the topic before going on the air?

Yes, please!  She's not the only one, either.  For pete's sake it's your JOB - show some interest!

26 minutes ago, HoboClayton said:

I think Sunny actually thinks Trump was doing the dirty in that video, and it's cracking me up. Trump has done a lot of cameos as himself. But shut the fuck up Rudy Giuliani, so tired of the hypocrisy. Bridezillas.. Ugh. Being a diva period.. Sarah Silverman sums it up best. Bad language and typical Sarah Silverman talk, but, I totally agree with the main point. 

Go, Sarah!  

[blondiec0332]

Is Guliani unaware of Melania's past?  

[GiveMeSpace]

I would like to know more about the woman whose children wrote that obituary.  Sure she sounds like an asshole for running off with her husbands brother, but I strongly suspect there is more to the story. Did the ex husband keep the mother from seeing her children? Was he abusive? It is possible that the woman was an unrepentant asshole, but things were tough for women her age in the days when these things happened. I am not judging their actions but things are rarely so cut and dried.

[WarnerCL45]

Not everyone is a saint after they’re dead.  Not sure about the public dirty linen, tho.

[blondiec0332]

8 minutes ago, WarnerCL45 said:

Not everyone is a saint after they’re dead.  Not sure about the public dirty linen, tho.

Death does not erase the misdeeds people commit while they are alive.  If those two siblings felt like they needed to do this to make peace with what their mother did then I think that is their right.

[WarnerCL45]

Probably difficult to get over someone getting pregnant by the brother in law & running off without the 2 kids.

[pachebo]

My theory is that Whoopi tries to cover her lack of any preparation ever by "time-eating" .... the increasingly long welcome yell... the pregnant pauses while she closes her eyes to search for a "word" that never actually seems to be the right one,  the "um's" the "well...."   the mugging at the camera as if that says it all....

[Silver Raven]

God, I hate Nancy Grace.  She just does not shut up.  Even more than Meghan.

[Ohboy]

23 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

The thing that was really striking to me today (as in the past) but so much so that I'm going to make it my one and only point from this episode - I have a serious issue with dignifying accusations about 'fake news' when you can only find references of online 'tweets' (and Meghan is really good at often citing social media comments as a means to substantiate her points). Social media is a hotbed of incendiary comments that are far more outrageous and hateful than speculating about whether Melania Trump is hiding in recovery from a facelift or the possibility of her being abused by her husband. You may have found some writer that made the comment in a tweet, but what he posts on his personal feed is not of the same magnitude or provides the same platform as it does if he were to write an article and attach the story to a credible news source or publication. It is completely disingenuous to use these examples as evidence of what Trump is saying because it furthers a narrative that may not necessarily be true - I would think that if a credible or respected media source was guilty of this, Meghan could have found a better example than a tweet. What she's doing is supporting a narrative which is intentionally misleading by using language that equates random comments that can be found from anywhere and attaching the same label to that of what big media sources like CNN, MSNBC are being referred to as...you know what does? It infers that all negative media, regardless of where it comes from is equally credible when that's a very close minded assumption to make or believe.

You live in a country where the media is owned by big corporations who have their own interests and viewpoints and can use the media to promote their own personal and political beliefs via the programming they allow, the people they allowed to be staff and given platforms on their show, etc. If you're only watching one and/or reading one media source, then it's my opinion that you aren't being informed, you're being 'convinced'.

This is very true. Unfortunately, I think that most people do not view or read multiple media sources. They often tend to stick to "their side" so as to validate their opinions and beliefs.

[Ohboy]

On ‎6‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 3:23 PM, Alexis2291 said:

I just watched his segment and as usual, was NOT disappointed. He's someone Meghan wouldn't dare try to debate, as he would make her look like an intellectual midget. So, yeah, I wish he had just one more segment. I think that's why he was talking so fast. A hit dog will holler, Meghan! Nobody said that you are a racist. I guess it was smart that he cleared it up, though, because certain news outlets would take what he said and twist it...

He did start a sentence by saying, "If Republicans weren't so racist ....'. He probably didn't mean to say it like that, but that is certainly what he said. So it wasn't crazy for Meghan to clarify that she isn't a racist.

[Ohboy]

On ‎6‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 12:25 AM, backformore said:

Not sure what he said, but generally bigotry is a set of beliefs about people  in a certain category, and treating them in line with those beliefs.   Racism is when the group in power has  bigoted beliefs and uses their power to deprive another group of their rights.  So yeah, in the US, Black people can be bigoted but can't be racist, because they lack the power to keep white people from housing, jobs, voting rights, liberty, etc.  

Professor Dyson just made up his own definitions of those words to suit his cause. Racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. So in reality, anyone can be racist, including Black people. Bigotry is intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself. This definition also proves that anyone can be a bigot. Unless people actually come to realize the truth of this, the problem or racism and bigotry will continue. People should be focusing on many similarities of one's cultures and beliefs and celebrate our differences.

[backformore]

32 minutes ago, Ohboy said:

Professor Dyson just made up his own definitions of those words to suit his cause. Racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. So in reality, anyone can be racist, including Black people. Bigotry is intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself. This definition also proves that anyone can be a bigot. Unless people actually come to realize the truth of this, the problem or racism and bigotry will continue. People should be focusing on many similarities of one's cultures and beliefs and celebrate our differences.

He didn't make it up - he's using the sociological definition, which is much more accurate:

Racism - more than the dictionary definition

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Racism refers to a variety of practices, beliefs, social relations, and phenomena that work to reproduce a racial hierarchy and social structure that yield superiority, power, and privilege for some, and discrimination and oppression for others. It can take several forms, including representational, ideological, discursive, interactional, institutional, structural, and systemic.

Racism exists when ideas and assumptions about racial categories are used to justify and reproduce a racial hierarchy and racially structured society that unjustly limits access to resources, rights, and privileges on the basis of race.

 

Dear White People - Your definition of Racism is wrong

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Racism as an ideology originated from European scientists in the 17th Century during the Atlantic slave trade. They invented it in order to differentiate themselves from those with different skin colors and darker features, creating a racial hierarchy that continues to this day. It would simply be incorrect to deny that the history of racism has been (and continues to be) one of white supremacy as the label “white” has always been an indication of superiority

opinions differ.  definitions differ.  The kind of racism being talked about is when it is reflected in the policies and practices of a society.  

Edited June 7, 2018 by backformore

[GiveMeSpace]

Quote

Professor Dyson just made up his own definitions of those words to suit his cause. Racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. So in reality, anyone can be racist, including Black people. Bigotry is intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself. This definition also proves that anyone can be a bigot. Unless people actually come to realize the truth of this, the problem or racism and bigotry will continue. People should be focusing on many similarities of one's cultures and beliefs and celebrate our differences.

You are leaving out the most important part of the definition of racism- that one must have power to be racist. In a white supremacy, black people do not have the institutional power to be racist against white people. Ditto on reverse sexism.

[RedheadZombie]

14 hours ago, backformore said:

Question: 

Bill Clinton had an affair with Monica while married to Hillary.    Meghan sympathizes with Monica, blames Hillary

Donald trump had an affair with Stormy while married to Melania.  Why doesn't Meghan sympathize with Stormy and blame Melania? 

Different party, silly.   

[RedheadZombie]

4 hours ago, merriebreeze said:

Whoopi, would it kill you to read about the topic before going on the air? Instagram has made bridezillas worse

Most honest thing she's said, "I don't know what I'm talking about."

 

So what Meghan got from the president's commutation (not pardon) of  Ms. Johnson was the importance of taking a meeting at the White House? Yeah, sure, it had nothing to do with our reality star president being an attention whore and thinking this would improve his popularity with "the blacks." Panderer. 

Plus he loves playing with his new little toy - the presidential pardon.

[bannana]

On yesterday's show, Elsa read  something from her blue card about David Frum suggesting that Trump beat Melania.

Here is the tweet from Frum:

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“Suppose President Trump punched the first lady in the White House (federal property = federal jurisdiction), then ordered the Secret Service to conceal the assault,” Frum tweeted. “POTUS has Article II authority over Secret Service. Is that obstruction? Under Sekulow/Dowd, apparently NO.”

It's an example of the extent of powers his lawyers are suggesting he has.  It has nothing to do with the absent Melania, her hospital stay, or anything else.  But Elsa implied that he was saying that Trump abused Melania, and that is why she was in hospital longer, and MIA.  Even Whoopi misconstrued it, suggesting that Frum was saying that as some sort of payback. No one corrected either one of them, and the lie just goes on.

[Former Nun]

Did a "one night stand" become an affair only because it involved Donald Trump?   

[WarnerCL45]

12 minutes ago, bannana said:

It's an example of the extent of powers his lawyers are suggesting he has.  It has nothing to do with the absent Melania, her hospital stay, or anything else.  But Elsa implied that he was saying that Trump abused Melania, and that is why she was in hospital longer, and MIA.  Even Whoopi misconstrued it, suggesting that Frum was saying that as some sort of payback. No one corrected either one of them, and the lie just goes on.

Really sloppy.  People hear/see a little bit of something, leap to a conclusion & there it stays!  Does nobody listen to their colleagues?

[blondiec0332]

1 minute ago, WarnerCL45 said:

Really sloppy.  People hear/see a little bit of something, leap to a conclusion & there it stays!  Does nobody listen to their colleagues?

I can guess where Meghan got that story from.

[Former Nun]

3 hours ago, pachebo said:

My theory is that Whoopi tries to cover her lack of any preparation ever by "time-eating"

And by "eating" eating.  The camera comes back to her too often when she's chewing, swallowing...trying to talk while "hiding" something in her mouth.

[atlantaloves]

Yeah, her constant eating (and with her mouth full) is seriously getting on my last nerve. Oh, and while I am bitching, what in the hell has Sonny done to her pretty face, girl, she has totally overdone zee ole botox. Her face is really messed up. These women! Sonny, you don't need to put that stuff in your face honey!

[RHJunkie]

Traditionally speaking, Kim’s celebrity status wouldn’t have resulted in such relatively easy access to the White House for a meeting of that nature. But if that’s what’s going to work with this administration to get some work done that can unite people to say ‘a good thing happened’ then so be it, Kim Kardashian it is. To Meghan’s point – how is that an example of the power of showing up? KIM is the one that lobbied for that meeting. The request was accepted. Of course you show up to a meeting when the request is made and invitation is extended because it’s at least fair to assume that you can have some sort of dialogue happen. It’s not the same as showing up to an event, and trying to have a dialogue about something with someone who has not only shaped the false narrative that paints you as an unpatriotic villain, but as gone as far as to use rhetoric such as SOBs and they shouldn’t be in the country. She really has this annoying habit of latching on to the most general thing in a story to try and substantiate a point that she’s trying to make, never mind that the context of the example are different enough that it doesn’t actually prove her point at all.

Guiliani’s comments aren’t even worth responding to. They’re that stupid, as is much that comes out of his mouth. How is this man a lawyer? I admit, his particular role here isn’t easy, but really, just the way he speaks lacks credibility even before I even bother fact checking his comments, lol.

The IG segment was a bore.

[Haleth]

Another stalling tactic Whoopi uses is laughing.  It's not that what she's reading is so funny or ridiculous, she frequently starts laughing to cover her inability to think of the right words. 

[Coffeewinewater]

5 hours ago, WarnerCL45 said:

Not everyone is a saint after they’re dead.  Not sure about the public dirty linen, tho.

When I first saw it on Facebook or some other show, I did bust out laughing. Then, I thought, wow, let go of the anger people you're only hurting yourself.  Why even put all that in an obit. The woman is gone, you're not embarrassing her. 

[Stacee]

11 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

Meghan double speaks all of the time. She constantly defends her choice to not have children because that's empowering but she assumes that Monica Lewinsky is unmarried because of her affair with Clinton - as it's not possible that her marital status isn't her own choice. There are a lot of women who are Monica's age or older who aren't married and it's not because they had an affair with a sitting President. This is like her trying to justify the argument of it being okay for women to be seen as strong and angry but then put down the notion of being 'sweet' as if there's something wrong with that. She's not as empowering as she thinks. She empowers the argument that she thinks reflects her personality and attitude.

Excellent points, especially the part I bolded.

 

Well said!!! ??

[GHScorpiosRule]

And more evidence of Meghan’s hypocrisy (that’s being kind), was her oh so indignant and self-righteous claim that she found Stormy Daniels to be one of the most intelligent, smart, well spoken women (paraphrasing) and that Aex work IS work. Then whips out her blue card and quotes another woman in the sex industry that she “shadowed” as a “burn” toward Nesferatu.

I say hypocrisy and liar because she sat at that table and accused Stormy for talking about what happened as a way to become more relevant and for the money. She accused her of coming up with that slogan on her truck or show, and Stormy had to correct her that she didn’t come up with it-the  venue did, and that it had been around for awhile.  She pretty much called her a prostitute. And until she appeared on the show, revealed her contempt for Stormy. So Meghan can take several seats and just STFU.

And Joy called it-The pardon had more to do with celebrity and surrounding himself with celebrities who like him and whose inner circles he wants to be a part of than doing the right thing. Because as Whoopi and Sunny pointed out-Old Beauregard Sessions has rollled back and out out directives to arrest and prosecute those that have committed non-violent crimes and the whole “war on drugs.”

I couldn’t believe how uninformed Dan was regarding the NDA. Drumph didn’t even sign it, so it rendered it invalid and Stormy had every right to talk about it. Even if she doesn’t win, it will be out there as a matter of public record.

[maggiemae]

I dislike MM as much in her rehab-ed mode as I did/do in her vicious mode. Perhaps more because I can't trust a thing she says.

[RHJunkie]

2 hours ago, Coffeewinewater said:

When I first saw it on Facebook or some other show, I did bust out laughing. Then, I thought, wow, let go of the anger people you're only hurting yourself.  Why even put all that in an obit. The woman is gone, you're not embarrassing her. 

I actually had the opposite reaction, lol. My initial thought was 'damn, it makes you look petty' but then I thought about what her children must have gone through living their entire lives knowing (or being told) that their mother willingly abandoned them. She didn't try to reconnect with them but instead had other kids who she did stick around and was a mother to. The rejection a child must feel of not being wanted by the one person who is supposed to love them most, that's probably a level of rejection that's only truly fathomable to those who also have suffered this same kind of loss and rejection. These two kids have gone their entire lives knowing/feeling that in their mother's world, they didn't exist and in her death, it was their moment to prove that they did. It was their moment to be acknowledged because their mother had failed to ever do that. While the world may have thought she was this great woman, her two kids have a whole other experience that probably felt unfair for them to not say their peace. And I think they do feel the world is better without her, because now they don't have to wake everyday and acknowledge that their mother isn't there because she didn't want them, their mother isn't there because she's dead and that's probably something that can give them the peace of mind that their mother hadn't bothered to give them at any point during her life. 

[JAYJAY1979]

A little late on this response, but in regards to the class clown discussion... people need to lighten up and man, I feel for Sunny's kids if that is her attitude.  Thank gosh, Whoopi shut down Sunny (for once it was warranted).

Rudy G is his own worst enemy.

And I think the Obit was kind of harsh, but we all don't know the true story.  I recall when my grandmother died, the obit and what the minister said about my grandmother.. my mom told me that it didn't sound at all like the woman she was raised by.  

[rollacoaster]

I don't have a problem with the harsh obit. The mother is beyond being hurt or embarrassed, and the kids got the chance to vent and hopefully get closure. 

[maggiemae]

I missed something - what about class clowns?

[athousandclowns]

1 hour ago, rollacoaster said:

I don't have a problem with the harsh obit. The mother is beyond being hurt or embarrassed, and the kids got the chance to vent and hopefully get closure. 

I don't either. I don't know how it is in every city but the death notice is free and the obituary costs. I'm thinking the brother sister had that in their paper and the brother in law and offspring had one where she died. I chuckle at the thought of the person taking the dictation  on that obituary.  

Sunny must be a barrel of laughs at home. Proud class clown speaking. 

[maggiemae]

Still confused about clown speaking, been distracted helping my sister through back surgery but have seen all shows.

[dr. gailey]

Here is more info about that obit from the son's view.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article212791264.html

[Former Nun]

1 hour ago, maggiemae said:

Still confused about clown speaking,

There was a segment on the show that mentioned a complaint (seriously) by a grandmother that her grandchild was "honored" by the teacher with that title. AThousandClowns wrote that he/she is a "proud clown" speaking.   Sunny was appalled at the idea that either of her children would EVER be considered a class clown.  She would be very angry at both the teacher and the child regarding that honorary title.  Hope this is correct, Clowns. 

2 hours ago, maggiemae said:

I missed something - what about class clowns?

[Former Nun]

7 hours ago, Coffeewinewater said:

Then, I thought, wow, let go of the anger people you're only hurting yourself.  Why even put all that in an obit. The woman is gone, you're not embarrassing her. 

Because people like me love to read stuff like that...and especially if we knew the person to be exactly as described in the obit?   My boys and I were lucky enough to write my ex's obituary. He burned every bridge.   We weren't mean (we were tempted), but we did write subtle sentences that only his former friends would understand.  There should be more obituaries like that.  I don't mind speaking ill of the dead...if they earned it.

[ChicagoCita]

52 minutes ago, Former Nun said:

I don't mind speaking ill of the dead...if they earned it.

Joy asked why every person becomes a saint in death. I've been through the death of two parents in the past four years, and I'll respond: It's a comfort to a grieving family, who need to hear it. Often it's eye-opening. Family members are well aware of the loved one's faults. Those memories will remain. But hearing from others about their perceptions of the person can be surprising and joyful. I remember my dad as a good guy who was grumpy more than he wanted to be. I still get warm fuzzies from the number of people who lamented, "who will I have now to talk to?" or who related some nice thing he had done that the family was totally unaware of. It didn't make my dad a different person than the guy I knew, but it still warms my heart to know how many people thought well of him.

And that's why people become "saints" in death. It's for the benefit of those who are still here to hear it.

[blondiec0332]

11 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

And more evidence of Meghan’s hypocrisy (that’s being kind), was her oh so indignant and self-righteous claim that she found Stormy Daniels to be one of the most intelligent, smart, well spoken women (paraphrasing) and that Aex work IS work. Then whips out her blue card and quotes another woman in the sex industry that she “shadowed” as a “burn” toward Nesferatu.

I say hypocrisy and liar because she sat at that table and accused Stormy for talking about what happened as a way to become more relevant and for the money. She accused her of coming up with that slogan on her truck or show, and Stormy had to correct her that she didn’t come up with it-the  venue did, and that it had been around for awhile.  She pretty much called her a prostitute. And until she appeared on the show, revealed her contempt for Stormy. So Meghan can take several seats and just STFU.

So Meghan has "friends" that work in the sex industry but she blushes when the topic of sex comes up and was embarrassed to go to sex toy store.  Sure.

11 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

And Joy called it-The pardon had more to do with celebrity and surrounding himself with celebrities who like him and whose inner circles he wants to be a part of than doing the right thing. Because as Whoopi and Sunny pointed out-Old Beauregard Sessions has rollled back and out out directives to arrest and prosecute those that have committed non-violent crimes and the whole “war on drugs.”

Everything Trump does is about Trump.  He doesn't give a shit about Ms. Johnson.  Kim Kardashian asked him for a favor and he said OK.    Now what about the thousands of other non-violent drug offenders sitting in prison with life sentences?  Is he going to pardon them too?

[LakeGeorg]

OMG, poor Sunny.  It's like her brain froze after she heard that factoid from Joy.  She needed a moment.

[JayD83]

Wow.  Meggie is really getting off on thinking that middle america is running this country.   In her mind, if they don't give a damn about it, no one should.  She's a mess and I will cheer the day she's FINALLY off of my screen. 

[Vanderboom]

Lol You heard it here, folks. Joy is responsible for changing the Democratic communication approach. It's what she should be doing instead of losing sleep worrying about the country. At least, that what our favorite "pundint" thinks. 

[Haleth]

Shut up, Meghan. You do not speak for everyone in the middle of the country. There are plenty of Midwesterners who are unhappy with the way things are and are working for change.  Plus that 77% that think the media is biased include a whole lot of people that think the most egregious purveyor of fake news is Fox.

[TheGreenKnight]

Meh-gun is such a hateful asshole. Even Paula looks at her like, “Who let the brat out of her room.”

[tribeca]

I have a learning disability and was never a fan when a class clown took over the class.  I was the one kid in school who always liked the “mean” teacher.  

Do really wonder how Middle America feels about Megan being their spokesperson.   Really no one in middle America reads time magazine? 

Edited June 8, 2018 by tribeca

[Apprentice79]

1 minute ago, tribeca said:

Do really wonder how Middle America feels about Megan being their spokesperson.   Really no one in middle America reads time magazine? 

They should be annoyed that Megan speaks for them, since she has nothing in common with them.  Plus, she also assumes that everybody in the red states are Republicans, there are Democrats over there, as well.  

Is the View live? have they spoken about Anthony Bourdain's suicide?

[OnTime]

"It's not going to move the needle, it's not going to move the needle."

Meghan, shut up!

[TheGreenKnight]

Is it just me or did the end of the Sex and the City discussion seem edited? Odd for a live show. Considering how Meghan was grabbing at her cup as they zoomed out and that ABC has edited out her tantrums from clips online, I wouldn't be surprised if she had another snit they felt the need to cut out as part of her image rehab.

[blondiec0332]

Meghan SHUT THE FUCK UP.  "The middle of country" is not exclusively Trump supporters.  Just stop with your generalizations.  For her to imply that nobody in the middle of the country reads Time magazine is elitism.  Something her tribe always accuses Democrats of.

And as pointed out above when a majority of people say they think news organizations are engaging in fake news they are including Fox News.  Meghan seems to be forgetting that.  She wants to bring up the "liberal" media but of course neglects to mention the "conservative" media.  Which her husband is a part of.  Because it needs to be said again.  SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Edited June 8, 2018 by blondiec0332

[Medicine Crow]

26 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

They should be annoyed that Megan speaks for them, since she has nothing in common with them.  Plus, she also assumes that everybody in the red states are Republicans, there are Democrats over there, as well.  

Is the View live? have they spoken about Anthony Bourdain's suicide?

Yes, it's live, but no mention of Anthony Bourdain.  (WHAT??? ... I love him!!!)

[Wings]

38 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

Is it just me or did the end of the Sex and the City discussion seem edited? Odd for a live show. Considering how Meghan was grabbing at her cup as they zoomed out and that ABC has edited out her tantrums from clips online, I wouldn't be surprised if she had another snit they felt the need to cut out as part of her image rehab.

I doubt ABC is trying to rehab her image.  They like her as is, just fine.  She is creating a lot of buzz on social media and networks love that.  They show her in a bad light often.  Her furtive glances to audience and producer coupled with catching every nervous grab at her water mug is not rehab.