S08.E22: The Hangover

[Kazu]

1 hour ago, druzy said:

Added to our running list for Leah! 

Thank you!!

 

1 hour ago, lovesnark said:

Here's my theory on that. I think Chris wanted a paternity test before he'd sign anything. I also think his hesitation at acknowledging paternity had something to do with Hulk dragging out naming Lil Soapy for weeks. If Chris had signed off on being his dad straight away and gone home with Hulk to play happy family, that kid would have been named before they left the hospital. And, probably an average, every day name instead of the unfortunate moniker he's stuck with.  After Chris bounced back to his girlfriend and made it clear he wasn't interested, she petitioned to change Soapy's last name to hers to create drama with  Chris and that didn't work, either. He knows Lil Soapy is his no matter what his last name is.

Yes, yes, and yes!

@FairyDusted*PPP* Heads up.

[happykitteh]

16 hours ago, hottesthw said:

While she appears to have turned out the best from this bunch of losers, I still don't understand why birthing child after child is celebrated in these young girls. Ok at least she has a husband,  but take away MTV cash, would supporting their ever expanding family be so easy? Is there some sort of race going on?

Chelsea and Cole most likely want their kids to be close in age and are timing this next baby accordingly. These "girls" aren't young teens anymore, they are young women. I don't see an issue with Chelsea, who is in a good, stable marriage with a caring, responsible, employed man, expanding her family. She's mentally stable, responsible, a good mom, and has a support system of loving, normal family. Chelsea is how old? 26 or 27 when this is being filmed? That means she'll be 27 or 28 when the new baby is born. If she weren't a Teen Mom, but rather some random woman, no one would think twice about her and Cole having their second child at her age. Biologically she's at the perfect age for both her health and the health of the baby and a positive birth outcome. She DOES have the MTV cash so she CAN afford to expand her family. She hasn't wasted her MTV money on stupid crap like outrageous tattoos, expensive vacations with friends where she picks up the entire tab, drugs, alcohol, several trips to spa/rehab, designer clothes, failed businesses and numerous vehicles. She lives in a very modest house with cheap crappy furniture in a low cost of living state. Now the other cast members, yeah, I do have an issue with them having more kids because they're doing it, imo, for a storyline or because they're trying to trap a man (looking at you Kail), are a slut who is too lazy and stupid to use birth control (Briana), or are trying to cement a relationship with their Man Of The Moment. And the rest suck as parents.

[Polliwollidoodle]

I don't know for sure which episode I watched on Monday night- I am guessing from looking here that it was a repeat? I only caught the tail end of what looked like a possible reunion special (but I don't see it listed here) and Janelle was freaking out about everyone and everything and everyevery. What really got me was poor Kaiser being held by Nathan while everyone screamed at each other.......poor sweet adorable Kaiser was reaching and waving at anyone and anything. And the shouting continued.

[lilmarysunshine]

14 hours ago, hottesthw said:

I wouldn't be willing to bet on any of that unfortunately. She's happily married and supposedly living the perfect life with all those kids. She really has very little if any part of this show anymore except announcing her next pregnancy. She's doing it for a reason ($$).  If they were so comfortable why continue to expose your family to the bullshit that is Teen mom? I would have taken my investments and run after the last pregnancy. Instead Daddy Randy is making YouTube videos now. 

Totally agree! I get that, of this bunch, Chelsea has her shit together more than the others. Their lives are fairly normal.

But I think what she is doing by essentially selling her kids out for fame and financial security is extremely damaging in the long-run. So she will never get huge props from me for being, basically, a decent mom like most mothers are but sacrificing their privacy in the process. I would rather work in a normal job and earn a living than to sell the lives of my kids out to a million twitter followers so I can shill diet drinks. I simply don’t respect that choice. #judgy

[Scarlett45]

I saw the episode-

 

1. I don’t know if Dom actually hasn’t feelings for Kail or not, but for her sake I hope she’s just along for the fame. Kailyn is a USER to the 10th power and doesn’t give two shits about Dom, she’s still pining over Chris. I don’t blame Chris for not signing the BC until a paternity test came back, but it doesn’t take two months to get those results. He’s your son, take legal responsibility. 

2. The scene with Ali/Gracie- yup, that’s #SibLife! Looks to me as if Ali was trying to get the item away from Gracie and she fell and lost her balance, THEN kicked Gracie for no reason but it’s Gracie’s fault?!!!! Gracie even went to see if she was okay when she fell and got kicked for her troubles! Ah memories. (Not fond ones)

3. Leah talking Jeremy about not being around for Halloween- when she started DATING this man she knew he was not going to be around at least 70% of the time. However Addie feels about Jeremy’s parenting when she’s older is her own choice, but Leah goodness stop. I honestly think Leah never thought she’d be single this long after the TR Dues relationship went south. Leah is white, blonde, skinny and not bad looking, even with the three kids I think she could find a decent boyfriend (maybe not someone who wanted to be a step dad) BUT in her small town market a lot of guys her age are married. She’d have more dating options in a larger city or if she went older (like late 30s divorced guy who didn’t want more kids). 

[heatherchandler]

16 hours ago, Rebecca said:

I know... but he’s just a baby and already totally fucked in a lot of ways so I was trying to be diplomatic ? Isaac was hella fug as a baby so maybe he’ll improve with age, like Isaac has.

 

I think I have mentioned it here before, but I think Isaac was the UGLIEST baby, but he turned out to be the cutest kid of the whole show!  It happened once he lost Kail's silly putty features.  

[Scarlett45]

1 minute ago, heatherchandler said:

I think I have mentioned it here before, but I think Isaac was the UGLIEST baby, but he turned out to be the cutest kid of the whole show!  It happened once he lost Kail's silly putty features.  

Issac was not a cute baby at all. He was an unfortunate mix of Jo and Kailyn. I think Lux is one of those boys who’s face will be much benefited by puberty- Chris has nice bone structure. 

[FairyDusted]

9 hours ago, woodscommaelle said:

Haha. Can you please change your user name to 'Jake from State Farm?' ?

Welllllllll.....I'm more Mayhem. But let's try Jake!

[Rebecca]

23 hours ago, Mothra said:

ETA:  I fully agree with Leah's decision not to force Ali to use her wheelchair *until she needs it*.  Among other reasons, it's important for Ali to feel control over her own disability as far as is possible, and allowing her to decide when she needs to use her equipment is important.  

The leading specialist on this RARE disorder she has totally disagrees with this assessment. He said she needed her power wheelchair ALL THE TIME. No choice, no option. Would you feel this way if it were insulin and she was diabetic? An 8 year old shouldn’t be deciding these things. Allowing her to chose not to use the chair is literally screwing with her future quality of life and very well could be shortening her life even more.

22 hours ago, Abmis said:

If Jeremy's last name is Cow Fart, doesn't that mean Addie's last name is Cow Fart too?  It also makes Leah the former Mrs. Cow Fart.  I know I'm being too literal,but that was the weirdest flirting I've ever seen.   

Exactly why I said she is 12. And “cow fart” doesn’t even sound much like Calvert so it was just 100% idiotic with zero humor. Also, as big of a mess as she’s been and with her last name being Messer, she might not want to go there with making fun of others’ last names. ? 

16 hours ago, ElderPrice said:

“Tee hee, I’m soooo guarded with men! I am a shy, modest, easily frightened woodland creature! Please give me time to trust you and come out of my shell. Speaking of things coming out, if I have a nip slip just let me know.” 

Keep it Klassy. 

“Except for when I’m telling people about spit in my asshole on twitter, having plastic surgery of my (not so) private parts over social media and raw dogging randoms in the club...other than that I’m super shy and guarded with men!” Ugh, I hate her.

3 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Leah talking Jeremy about not being around for Halloween- when she started DATING this man she knew he was not going to be around at least 70% of the time. However Addie feels about Jeremy’s parenting when she’s older is her own choice, but Leah goodness stop.

And Addie is what? 4? And she said that Jeremy “maybe” (can’t remember because she was on pillses?) came to one other Halloween...so that’s not even a bad track record. And Halloween isn’t some big family holiday (generally). I had a great father and he never once went trick or treating with me - because he was AT WORK. Something Leah literally can’t comprehend.

[Mothra]

1 hour ago, Rebecca said:

The leading specialist on this RARE disorder she has totally disagrees with this assessment. He said she needed her power wheelchair ALL THE TIME. No choice, no option. Would you feel this way if it were insulin and she was diabetic? An 8 year old shouldn’t be deciding these things. Allowing her to chose not to use the chair is literally screwing with her future quality of life and very well could be shortening her life even more.

Thank you for straightening me out.

I wrote as the parent of a disabled daughter who knows how important it is for her to feel "normal" as often as possible.  I still believe Leah did the right thing, although I take your point that her specialist wouldn't approve of this.  I'm thinking of all the time we see Ali on this show when she is not in her wheelchair, when she is wrestling with her sisters or otherwise being active, and I wonder how much difference it makes for her to have this one memory of trick or treating just like everyone else.  The wheelchair was there with her all the time; if she showed any sign of fatigue she could be put into it instantly.  I think Leah's judgment of what was best for her little girl has to be respected, if not agreed with.

YMMV of course.

[BitterApple]

1 hour ago, Rebecca said:

The leading specialist on this RARE disorder she has totally disagrees with this assessment. He said she needed her power wheelchair ALL THE TIME. No choice, no option. Would you feel this way if it were insulin and she was diabetic? An 8 year old shouldn’t be deciding these things. Allowing her to chose not to use the chair is literally screwing with her future quality of life and very well could be shortening her life even more.

I agree. There's plenty of ways to let Ali feel empowered that don't involve blatantly ignoring the directives of a renowned specialist. IIRC, the power wheelchair was never prescribed as an "option." Dr. Tsao said it was medically necessary to conserve Ali's muscles and give her the best chance at extending her life span. Why Leah and her assortment of hillbilly associates can't get that through their thick heads is beyond me.

Edited May 30, 2018 by BitterApple

[poeticlicensed]

I feel so bad for Barb. Jace is figuring out that he can play both sides and of course Janelle, being the POS she is, calls the cops. If I had a dime for everytime my kids lied about how I was abusing them, I'd be a rich woman. Anyway, the part that made me the saddest is that Barb comes out and tells the producer what Janelle did, and the producer starts pumping her for info. I could see ijn her eyes she as saying PAYDIRT!! Poor Barb, she thinks 1) the producers are her friends and confidantes and have her best interest at heart (which we all know they do not) and 2) Barb was just waiting to tell someone what happened. It made me wonder if Barb has friends or family she can talk to. If not, it's got to be tough to try and raise a child, one with emotional problems, all by herself at her age.  

[Kazu]

22 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I agree. There's plenty of ways to let Ali feel empowered that don't involve blatantly ignoring the directives of a renowned specialist. IIRC, the power wheelchair was never prescribed as an "option." Dr. Tsao said it was medically necessary to conserve Ali's muscles and give her the best chance at extending her life span. Why Leah and her assortment of hillbilly associates can't get that through their thick heads is beyond me.

 

Because they believe in Jesus!  These people probably only talk about Jesus at Christmas time and Easter.

22 minutes ago, Mothra said:

 I still believe Leah did the right thing, although I take your point that her specialist wouldn't approve of this. 

Leah only brings out the chair because the cameras are around. She does it because she has been slammed on social media by people who remind her that her child should be using a wheelchair or motorized scooter. She has faced the wrath for ignoring the doctor's orders.  She doesn't use the chair when MTV is not around, as her social media pages reflect. Her former father-in-law also has images on his social media pages which show Ali playing in sports and doing activities that she should be prohibited from doing per Dr. Tsao's orders. The entire family, as BitterApple, noted is notorious for ignoring what is in the best interest of this child. 

Also, the wheelchair is not supposed to be used for times of fatigue. It is meant to be used by Ali so she is not using her muscles which are deteriorating every time she is allowed to walk or be active.

As for Ali feeling normal, she is a normal child who just happens to suffer from a medical condition that requires her to be in a motorized scooter. Leah and her family could have normalized her life by not pushing her to fit in with the rest of her siblings. Ali needs to feel comfortable and be seen as a child who may not be able to run and play sports, but be viewed as a person who is fully capable of doing other activities and participating in life like everyone else. It is as if Leah and the rest of the family are ashamed or embarrassed of having a child with special needs. Ali should not have those feelings put upon her.  Plenty of people use wheelchairs and motorized scooters and are living life to their fullest. By this stage, Ali should be using that chair anytime she is not in her bed. She would have been accustomed to it by now and she would have embraced it. The same way Leah and company made sure she wore her eyeglasses ALL THE TIME since she was a toddler, that is how they should have been with the motorized scooter.

Edited May 30, 2018 by Kazu

[poeticlicensed]

2 minutes ago, Kazu said:

As for Ali feeling normal, she is a normal child who just happens to suffer from a medical condition that requires her to be in a motorized scooter. Leah and her family could have normalized her life by not pushing her to fit in with the rest of her siblings. Ali needs to feel comfortable and be seen as a child who may not be able to run and play sports, but be viewed as a person who is fully capable of doing other activities and participating in life like everyone else. It is as if Leah and the rest of the family are ashamed or embarrassed of having a child with special needs. Ali should not have those feelings put upon her.  Plenty of people use wheelchairs and motorized scooters and are living life to their fullest.

Yep, if they had normalized the use of the wheelchair in their daily lives, it would be better for everyone and Ali would be more accepting of it. . I swear, every time Ali falls down, I am cringing. One of these days she is going to suffer a serious injury and end up hospitalized or have to have surgery and be bedridden for months.   

[Kazu]

Just now, poeticlicensed said:

Yep, if they had normalized the use of the wheelchair in their daily lives, it would be better for everyone and Ali would be more accepting of it. . I swear, every time Ali falls down, I am cringing. One of these days she is going to suffer a serious injury and end up hospitalized or have to have surgery and be bedridden for months.   

I cringe, too. She is supposed to wear a helmet. Something else that Leah and company choose not to put on her.

[BitterApple]

I haven't had a chance to go through all the comments, but I finally got around to watching this shit-fest and wow, they might as well reserve a spot for Jace in juvie now because that's where he's going to be spending the majority of his teenage years if this shit keeps up. Barb is too old and too tired to control him and Jenelle and Dave are flat-out abusive. Poor kid has no chance.

It was cool of Kail to get involved with Jo's fundraiser but her friends creep me the fuck out, especially Dom. She looks like a ten year-old boy and the constant leer on her face is off-putting.

Although Gracie and Addie annoy me, I felt so bad for Gracie getting blamed for Ali falling when a) she didn't push her and b) it was Ali who started the fight by taking Gracie's book. I know Ali gets cut a ton of slack, but she can be a manipulative little shit. If nobody's around to witness things, Gracie automatically gets blamed and punished and Ali knows it.

Chelsea, boring as usual. They can only milk so much drama out of child support and a name change. 

Briana and Javi are gag-worthy. They have no chemistry whatsoever and are desperately trying to play couple to secure their MTV checks.

[poeticlicensed]

Kail's friend Dom reminds me of Kate McKinnon doing Bieber

[SPLAIN]

On 5/28/2018 at 7:27 PM, MinorL said:

I know everyone hates Kailyn, but she doesn’t bother me. Jenelle, on the other hand, is beyond redemption. I can’t even listen to her screechy voice anymore. And I don’t believe a word she says. 

Briana’s trying-not-to-smile smirk when she’s with Javi is also annoying af.  

Bother is how I feel when my neighbor plays his music too loud late at night. It certainly doesn't describe for many of us how we feel about Kwhale.

Kwhale has a long, dirty laundry list of misdeeds, some of which are criminal, and many of which are harming her children.

She is an abuser. If a male did what she did, everyone would be "bothered" by him.

She has filed bogus restraining orders, one of which has affected the pending law enforcement career of her son's father.

She cut off the dreads of her former boyfriend.  A boyfriend who happens to be black. Imagine if a black man who was on this show cut off her hair out of anger? 

She has also said and tweeted disgusting and indefensible comments about people of color. Pretty much she has racist tendencies. She and Jenelle's boyfriend would mesh well.

She has used her children as pawns and tried to cut out Isaac's father from his life when she was married to Javi.

Too many things to list. But overall, this girl is virulent and unhealthy in so many ways.

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For all of Kail's insinuations about Briana,  she is quite similar to her. Let's see  both like having their flavor of the week play daddy to their infants. Keyword: infant; both have had the flavor of the week around their older children;both have multiple kids by multiple men; both went to the same plastic surgeon for botched plastic surgery and  both have  fucked Javi!

@FlowerofCarnage Amen! Kail blasting Briana is pitiful and laughable.

@mayvenne you are referring to the episode that aired the week before. This episode we are discussing aired on Memorial Day.

Edited May 30, 2018 by SPLAIN

[Mothra]

1 hour ago, Kazu said:

Because they believe in Jesus!  These people probably only talk about Jesus at Christmas time and Easter.

Leah only brings out the chair because the cameras are around. She does it because she has been slammed on social media by people who remind her that her child should be using a wheelchair or motorized scooter. She has faced the wrath for ignoring the doctor's orders.  She doesn't use the chair when MTV is not around, as her social media pages reflect. Her former father-in-law also has images on his social media pages which show Ali playing in sports and doing activities that she should be prohibited from doing per Dr. Tsao's orders. The entire family, as BitterApple, noted is notorious for ignoring what is in the best interest of this child. 

As for Ali feeling normal, she is a normal child who just happens to suffer from a medical condition that requires her to be in a motorized scooter. Leah and her family could have normalized her life by not pushing her to fit in with the rest of her siblings. Ali needs to feel comfortable and be seen as a child who may not be able to run and play sports, but be viewed as a person who is fully capable of doing other activities and participating in life like everyone else. It is as if Leah and the rest of the family are ashamed or embarrassed of having a child with special needs. Ali should not have those feelings put upon her.  Plenty of people use wheelchairs and motorized scooters and are living life to their fullest.

Look, I'm not trying to argue with anyone, or convince anyone.  I accept what you guys say, that Leah is disregarding what Ali's doctor said to do.  I get that.  I understand what you are saying.

I am offering another perspective, from the point of view of a mother of a daughter with a serious disability.  I am simply trying to explain what might be motivating Leah aside from her perceived flaws as a parent, and what motivates other parents of children with disabilities.  You don't have to agree or even accept what I say.  I'm not trying to convince you that Leah is right.  Of course she should follow the doctor's orders.  But I understand why she didn't, and I agree with her decision.

I have been dumbstruck by the online animus against Leah, btw.  And I'm not defending her as a good mother.  What strikes me--and what has always struck me when children with disabilities are involved--is how easy and how tempting it is to criticize, to assign the basest, most selfish motives, to someone you don't know, who's in a situation you (if you're lucky) will never find yourself.  I'm all for the snark--but this criticism is different.  It's angry--which I understand; people believe a child's welfare is involved--and it isn't funny.

This is the last post I'm going to make on this subject.  So to sum up:  You're right; mothers should follow doctors' orders.  I understand why Leah did not follow the doctor's orders on Halloween, and I would have done the same.  I have walked in Leah's shoes.

[SPLAIN]

Plenty of us have walked in Leah's shoes @Mothra. I think that is where the anger and criticism stems from with many of us. I would not judge a parent who is uneducated or ignorant about a medical issue. But Leah has the best medical care for her child. Her child's doctor is a specialist, and a top specialist on this particular health matter. She has been told many times over what needs to be done for the sake of her child's health.  She is purposely defying his orders for whatever reasons at the expense of her child, and that is what pisses off many of us. Many would kill to have the kind of medical care that is being given to Ali.

Ali has had plenty of Halloween memories where she was able to walk with her siblings. Now, her memories may be short-lived because her family doesn't abide by the orders of the specialist. Better to live in a wheelchair and go trick-or-treating than to die at a young age and never have that chance again.

Edited May 30, 2018 by SPLAIN

[TexasGal]

1 hour ago, poeticlicensed said:

Kail's friend Dom reminds me of Kate McKinnon doing Bieber

OMG - yes!  The resemblance is freaky.

[ghoulina]

17 hours ago, Emjayisfoolish said:

Holy shit. Who else thought watching DF#2 talk on the phone while she was parked and continually saying “you know” as painful as I did??? 

It was especially annoying, considering she didn't stop to breathe long enough for DF#1 to acknowledge that he did, in fact, know. 

[IDreamofJoaquin]

On 5/29/2018 at 8:08 AM, hottesthw said:

While she appears to have turned out the best from this bunch of losers, I still don't understand why birthing child after child is celebrated in these young girls. Ok at least she has a husband,  but take away MTV cash, would supporting their ever expanding family be so easy? Is there some sort of race going on?

She said she wanted her children with Cole to be close in age.   I think it's alright.   They have a stable family.

They have shown Briana's room that she shares with Nova before.  But everyone fast forward through her scenes!!!  On the Hallway to Hell forum someone said Briana is the one who made this show extremely trashy and I agree.  It's like they followed the girls in hopes of documenting their growth as parents.  6 of them turned out to be trash, one alcoholic and Chelsea.  So why they would go and find someone trashy to add to it I don't know. 

 

I kind of liked Dom.  I thought she was cool.  I thought Hulk had mentioned dating girls in the past.   She finally admits Lux has no father listed on his birth certificate.  Power play?

1 hour ago, poeticlicensed said:

Kail's friend Dom reminds me of Kate McKinnon doing Bieber

YEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

5 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

I think I have mentioned it here before, but I think Isaac was the UGLIEST baby, but he turned out to be the cutest kid of the whole show!  It happened once he lost Kail's silly putty features.  

I, too, remember Isaac being really ugly but he grew up so handsome.

[heatherchandler]

1 hour ago, Mothra said:

This is the last post I'm going to make on this subject.  So to sum up:  You're right; mothers should follow doctors' orders.  I understand why Leah did not follow the doctor's orders on Halloween, and I would have done the same.  I have walked in Leah's shoes.

I guess I just don't understand not following orders when the DEATH of a child is a possible outcome of that decision. 

Would you agree with her if she allowed a diabetic child to go without insulin to feel normal (like Kazu mentioned above)?  Of course not, and Leah may even be put in jail for a decision like that.  This is really not that different.

Edited May 30, 2018 by heatherchandler

[Mkay]

4 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

I guess I just don't understand not following orders when the DEATH of a child is a possible outcome of that decision. 

Would you agree with her if she allowed a diabetic child to go without insulin to feel normal (like Kazu mentioned above)?  Of course not, and Leah may even be put in jail for a decision like that.  This is really not that different.

And that was just Halloween.  Don’t forget softball she lets her play every season.  ??‍♀️ That one infuriates me knowing what it is doing to her muscles. 

[heatherchandler]

16 minutes ago, Mkay said:

And that was just Halloween.  Don’t forget softball she lets her play every season.  ??‍♀️ That one infuriates me knowing what it is doing to her muscles. 

YES - and I cannot believe it.  Does she not understand the doctor?  Does she think he is being overly cautious?  Does she not believe him?  Has anyone sat her down to let her know that the heart is a muscle?  She may actually not know that, and I am not even being funny!

[missy jo]

3 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I agree. There's plenty of ways to let Ali feel empowered that don't involve blatantly ignoring the directives of a renowned specialist. IIRC, the power wheelchair was never prescribed as an "option." Dr. Tsao said it was medically necessary to conserve Ali's muscles and give her the best chance at extending her life span. Why Leah and her assortment of hillbilly associates can't get that through their thick heads is beyond me.

Yeah, this isn't an issue of opinion - it's a fact. We've seen Dr Tsao say on film that Ali is to be in her wheelchair at all times, otherwise it will be detrimental to her health and life span. Serious stuff. 

[monagatuna]

I must be gayer than I thought, because I really thought Dom was quite attractive and seemed pretty cool.

[DangerousMinds]

9 hours ago, lilmarysunshine said:

Totally agree! I get that, of this bunch, Chelsea has her shit together more than the others. Their lives are fairly normal.

But I think what she is doing by essentially selling her kids out for fame and financial security is extremely damaging in the long-run. So she will never get huge props from me for being, basically, a decent mom like most mothers are but sacrificing their privacy in the process. I would rather work in a normal job and earn a living than to sell the lives of my kids out to a million twitter followers so I can shill diet drinks. I simply don’t respect that choice. #judgy

It just doesn't seem like a great idea to continue exposing Aubree to the world on video and on social media, etc. as she gets older. Lots of crazies out there.

[Kazu]

1 hour ago, monagatuna said:

I must be gayer than I thought, because I really thought Dom was quite attractive and seemed pretty cool.

I agree. I also thought Dom resembled someone else other than the people that have already been mentioned so far. Is this Dom's twin:

 

 

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I understand why Leah did not follow the doctor's orders on Halloween, and I would have done the same.

It is not just Halloween @Mothra. It has been non-stop for the last four seasons.

I certainly wasn't arguing or trying to incite an argument. Sorry if you took it that way. That is not what is happening. You presented to us your opinion on what Leah is doing as if it is a rare occurrence for her to have her child not use her wheelchair when in fact, it has been an on-going matter that is jeopardizing her daughter's health.

If Ali had fallen down on the sidewalk, she would have been hurt due to the fact she wasn't wearing her medically required helmet or her medically required knee pads. Ali has also shown she pushes herself without ever saying she is tired. She has been shown swimming and running around when it was clear she was over-exerting herself. She is not capable of informing her mother she is tired and needs her chair. Her chair is not there for when the child is tired. It is supposed to be used at all times.

It is not about us having to agree with someone's opinion as much as pointing out the facts as @missy jo posted. There are some things that we discuss, give opinions on and snark on, but this is not one of them. It is a collective group sharing information that has been directed to Leah Messer on camera on over the seasons by Dr. Tsao. It is not our opinions that Leah is harming her daughter. It is A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL'S OPINION that Ali is being pushed to her limits BASED ON INFORMATION LEAH AND CORY HAVE GIVEN HIM. Those two went to him and informed him how she is falling down constantly and she is complaining about pain and losing control of her muscles. With that information and the testing he has done to Ali along with his expertise regarding this rare disorder, he gave them his professional opinion which was her life will be cut short the way things are going.

 

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They have shown Briana's room that she shares with Nova before.  But everyone fast forward through her scenes!!!

@IDreamofJoaquin  OMG Thank you!! lol 

I am glad you posted this because it is so true! If one doesn't watch certain scenes or watch the show, you are missing out on information.

@heatherchandler it was @Rebecca who mentioned the insulin. I mentioned the other stuff about not letting a child dictate their health choices. :-)  I also fully agree with your post here:

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I guess I just don't understand not following orders when the DEATH of a child is a possible outcome of that decision. 

Gracias x100!  It is a matter of life and death. No gray area in between. Either do as the doctor ordered or watch your child suffer and die.

Edited May 30, 2018 by Kazu

[Scarlett45]

32 minutes ago, monagatuna said:

I must be gayer than I thought, because I really thought Dom was quite attractive and seemed pretty cool.

Dom definitely has a sexy swagger to her. I’m sure she has no problem attracting as many ladies as she likes. I don’t think Kailyn really likes her though. 

[Kazu]

double post.

Edited May 30, 2018 by Kazu

[Brooklynista]

26 minutes ago, Kazu said:

I agree. I also thought Dom resembled someone else other than the people that have already been mentioned so far. Is this Dom's twin:

 

I think Dom has an easy sexiness going on. Tyler is a try-hard twink.

[Kazu]

25 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Dom definitely has a sexy swagger to her. I’m sure she has no problem attracting as many ladies as she likes. I don’t think Kailyn really likes her though. 

Kanal likes no one. Only herself.

[monagatuna]

47 minutes ago, Brooklynista said:

I think Dom has an easy sexiness going on. Tyler is a try-hard twink.

Yeah, I flinched when I saw Tyler's creepy face staring out at me, but after looking more closely, I really don't see the resemblance. 

It's not for me to say, but I'm not sure Kailyn seriously likes women enough to be in a serious relationship with them. Plenty of bi people have a preferred gender, and I think for Kailyn it's men (I thought that of myself, too, until I met my SO). I could be totally off, though. At any rate I think Kailyn could do (and has done) a LOT worse than Dom but she never intended to make it a serious thing. Good for Dom; I agree with Scarlett45 in that she probably has no problem meeting ladies whenever she wants.

[AmyFarrahFowler]

1 hour ago, Brooklynista said:

I think Dom has an easy sexiness going on. Tyler is a try-hard twink.

BOOM!

[Kazu]

1 hour ago, Brooklynista said:

I think Dom has an easy sexiness going on. Tyler is a try-hard twink.

*shudders* sexiness is not a word I would use for Tyler. Ever. lol 

To me, Dom reminds me of Hillary Swank in "Boy's Don't Cry" with her demeanor.

[MaggieG]

Wait a minute. Kail has said she only dates black guys. But she's (supposedly) dating a white girl.....

FYI, this thought popped into my head on my commute. I clearly need a life

[heatherchandler]

2 hours ago, Kazu said:

@heatherchandler it was @Rebecca who mentioned the insulin. I mentioned the other stuff about not letting a child dictate their health choices. :-)  I also fully agree with your post here:

Gracias x100!  It is a matter of life and death. No gray area in between. Either do as the doctor ordered or watch your child suffer and die.

Ooh I’m sorry @Rebecca!  That was a good analogy.  

Exactly @Kazu- it’s a matter of life and death, no gray area!

[KittyKat133]

Here’s what really gets me about the Ali thing... if it’s such a rare disease, and Leah seems to feel like she doesn’t want to tottalt accept dr. T’s advice and medical expertise THAN WHY ISNT SHE GETTING OTHER OPINIONS! She has the means, she has the platform, she has the reach, she has the support, she has the money, then WHY? Why not TRY to get another opinion if you don’t want to totally believe dr. T? Instead of waiting for god and prayers to cure her, why don’t you take her to different specialists? Different types of drs? It almost seems lazy and uneducated to not at least find out what other drs. Have to say! 

Sorry I had to say that. 

P.S. The word it’s i was thinking was irresponsible. It’s irresponsible  of her not to get a second, third, fourth opinion. 

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[CofCinci]

Don’t blame just Leah for Ali not using her wheelchair. Corey and his parents are just as guilty with their pray-it-away stance. 

[Calm81]

10 hours ago, MaggieG said:

Wait a minute. Kail has said she only dates black guys. But she's (supposedly) dating a white girl.....

FYI, this thought popped into my head on my commute. I clearly need a life

????

I never laughed so hard at a comment before. I just pictured you doing this even though I don’t know what you really look like, but because I have had random thoughts about this show while at a redlight, etc. Put me in the “no life” category, too! 

[Mr. Miner]

11 hours ago, monagatuna said:

I agree with Scarlett45 in that she probably has no problem meeting ladies whenever she wants.

So why mess around with nasty ass Karl?

 

1 hour ago, CofCinci said:

Don’t blame just Leah for Ali not using her wheelchair. Corey and his parents are just as guilty with their pray-it-away stance. 

I wish they would at least get a good motorized wheelchair and chair accessible vehicle while they are still making MTV money. And keep Gracie off the damn thing, it's not a toy. 

[lezlers]

On ‎5‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 7:07 PM, missy jo said:

I have questions. 

Was Kail having her hair and makeup done professionally at Joe's house before the fundraiser? She is so spoiled! 

Is Leah reading these boards and trolling us with her witch costume? We're always saying she has a witchy profile. 

Why oh why is Leah not putting her foot down and making Ali use the wheelchair? 

I totally get why she let Ali walk until she got tired.  Ali is eventually going to be confined to a chair for the rest of her (short) life.  Give her the memory of trick or treating.  It's once a year and she can use the chair when she's tired.  Let her feel like the other kids for a little while.  Special occasions like Halloween don't bother me, it's the day in and day out stuff that is only hurting Ali and not doing her any favors.  I still can't believe they let her play t-ball.

Jenelle is delusional.   Obviously this is a good therapist since she didn't allow the session to be filmed but I really wish we could've heard what she really told Jenelle.  Jenelle likely kept harping on the therapist about David bonding with Jace until the therapist was like "yeah sure maybe some time in the VERY DISTANT future, David can sit down with Jace or something."  Naturally David and Jace going to therapy was the spotlighted topic in her conversation with him.  I mean, what can David and Jenelle really learn from therapy anyway?  They're already perfect coparents, amirite??

[druzy]

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[poeticlicensed]

16 minutes ago, druzy said:

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I must know what is written on Randy's t-shirt!

[druzy]

18 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

I must know what is written on Randy's t-shirt!

I think it's Hit em with the Hein. It's from the Howard Stern Show. 

[teapot]

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I wonder who Cole is referring to, that's gone Hollywood & too good to say hi!

[lilmarysunshine]

17 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

It just doesn't seem like a great idea to continue exposing Aubree to the world on video and on social media, etc. as she gets older. Lots of crazies out there.

And think of it this way. I think Randy is a big 'ol famewhore.  Maybe he wants more business for his dentistry practice. I don't know.

But I was thinking back to Chelsea's 16 & Pregnant season. There is NO WAY on God's green earth that I would ever allow my 16-17 year old to be humiliated that way on national TV (Adam telling her she was fat, he wanted to sign that "mistake" away) and to let her humiliate herself like that on national TV (still pining after him when he treated her so poorly).  I cannot even imagine the conversation I would have with my kid so that the decision would be made to do this. 

Yes, I think she and Cole are in love. Yes, I think he's an awesome stepdad to Aubree. Yes, I think they seem to be living below their means so are smarter than the others about it. But they will all (Chelsea, Cole, Randy) always get a bit of a side eye from me for making these choices for their kids and grandkids. It's something I'd never do. I mean the whole world can see what a douche Adam is and that he really doesn't care about Aubree. It is bad enough when only your family knows it.

[BitterApple]

I think Randy always knew Chelsea wasn't the brightest bulb, so Teen Mom was the best way to ensure he wasn't financially supporting her and Aubree for the next 20+ years. I agree he's definitely a huge famewhore. I don't necessarily take issue with him using social media to his advantage as far as promoting his business, but I side-eye fighting on Twitter with people half his age.