Fact vs. Fiction: The Podcast and the Real People

[lezlers]

On ‎12‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 10:44 AM, Sterling said:

 

The real John Meehan!

Yeah, Eric Bana is way hotter.

23 hours ago, Sterling said:

Yes, Veronica = Jacqueline.

And Toby = Shad.

I remember listening to the podcast, wondering what kind of weird OC affect had them pronouncing Chad as Shad.  Because...who names their kid SHAD?

[ElectricBoogaloo]

On 11/29/2018 at 11:48 AM, TexasGal said:

I started listening to the podcast this morning.  It's crazy how Debra still sounds all giggly and moony when she's talking about him.  Like, really lady?  I'd be pissed and embarrassed. 

 

On 12/8/2018 at 2:49 PM, lezlers said:

Right???  This is the main reason I will never NOT hate Debra.  I couldn't imagine in a million years sounding like that when describing the man who tried to murder my child.

Not that I'm defending Debra in any way, but just as a parallel example, when I watched Wild Wild Country, I was surprised at how many of the Rajneeshees still had stars in their eyes as they talked about him and clearly still revered him 30+ years later.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

What are John Meehan's daughters up to now?

There are some pictures of Abby and Emily Meehan from IG as well as pictures of the two girls with their mom Tonia at the Dirty Jon premiere, at the premiere with Eric Bana (with the hilarious caption "Hey dad, long time no see"), and a picture of them with Terra (apparently Terra and Debra arranged to meet Abby and Emily in person while visiting Georgia).

[Empress1]

On 12/8/2018 at 5:49 PM, lezlers said:

Right???  This is the main reason I will never NOT hate Debra.  I couldn't imagine in a million years sounding like that when describing the man who tried to murder my child.

I KNOW. I mean, there's some stuff you can hand-wave away. (Well, not me, but you know what I mean.) He stole her money but you can always replace money, and it's been established that Debra is wealthy enough that tens of thousands isn't a big deal to her (if it were, she wouldn't keep it in a fucking drawer). And maybe Debra is self-absorbed enough not to feel sorry for the patients who had to suffer because John stole their drugs (I liked when the first wife pointed that out in the most recent episode). That would be fucked up, but there are people that self-absorbed out there. And maybe she can will herself to believe that ALL John's exes are crazy and have it out for him; I have seen people (not just women) do that before. (If one ex was crazy, s/he was just crazy. If ALL the exes are crazy, the problem isn't them.)

But her child literally had to brutally murder the man DEBRA brought into her life in self-defense. Terra has PTSD from it. And she's out here GIGGLING over that man? "Tee hee, I had to buy him new clothes, his wardrobe was a mess." BITCH HE TRIED TO KILL YOUR DAUGHTER WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU LAUGHING? This is not some "oh, this will make a funny story later" shit! 

Edited December 10, 2018 by Empress1

[vmcd88]

I am listening to the podcast because I started watching the show.  I thought I was hooked on the show....nope I'm obsessed with the podcast.

[lezlers]

14 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

 

Not that I'm defending Debra in any way, but just as a parallel example, when I watched Wild Wild Country, I was surprised at how many of the Rajneeshees still had stars in their eyes as they talked about him and clearly still revered him 30+ years later.

I don't think they're the same at all.  I watched Wild Wild Country (GREAT documentary) and revering a leader who, at the height of his popularity, had hundreds of thousands of followers who worshipped him to a godlike level is a very different thing than fondly remembering the beginnings of your relationship with a man you  who tried to murder your own child.  The two things aren't even in the same stratosphere.

Edited December 10, 2018 by lezlers

[nr65000]

On 4/21/2018 at 9:13 AM, Tabbygirl521 said:

haven’t  listened to this podcast yet but I can tell I need to. 

you definitely need to.  It was so good.

[nr65000]

On 12/9/2018 at 10:37 PM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Right???  This is the main reason I will never NOT hate Debra.  I couldn't imagine in a million years sounding like that when describing the man who tried to murder my child.

I loathe her with everything I have.  The red flags were early and evident and yet she ignored them and her children's warnings time after time after time in search of her fairy tale.  Remember she had been married 4 times before.  I have zero sympathy for a woman who is so ignorant that she ignores all the signs that she has brought a predator into her family.  I suppose I would be a little sympathetic if she, in hindsight, acknowledged that she had willingly behaved so carelessly in pursuit of her own fantasy, but she continues to cast blame everywhere but on herself, giggling all the way.

[Barb23]

3 hours ago, nr65000 said:

I loathe her with everything I have.  The red flags were early and evident and yet she ignored them and her children's warnings time after time after time in search of her fairy tale.  Remember she had been married 4 times before.  I have zero sympathy for a woman who is so ignorant that she ignores all the signs that she has brought a predator into her family.  I suppose I would be a little sympathetic if she, in hindsight, acknowledged that she had willingly behaved so carelessly in pursuit of her own fantasy, but she continues to cast blame everywhere but on herself, giggling all the way.

I agree.  There were so many red flags she could have gone off on him about and didn't even question. One of the most recent was the safety deposit box. He told her he had taken the money out to invest it & she  goes along with it like it was only $10. She doesn't even question him why he did it without her knowledge considering most of the money was hers. Instead he flips it back to her on why she was checking out the contents of the box (without telling him ahead of time) & that he had the notification app to tell him when she was in the box. She didn't even question if that worked both ways - did she get to know when he was in the box? BTW,  I'm sure most of us realized he would have some sort of tracking device on the box even though she didn't.  Even his wanting of getting the safety deposit box should have triggered something with her.  

ETA:  Debra being trustworthy and giving out so much of her personal info to John at the beginning was unreal. For example giving John her home & work addresses &  telling him she had a daughter named Veronica.  No wonder Veronica was upset from the start when John told her that "Debra said she lived with her daughter Veronica, is that you?"  I'm sure John did a search on her as well as Debra. (Just my assumption. I don't know if or how well of a search he did, if any,  on Debra or Veronica. ) 

Edited December 11, 2018 by Barb23

[DrSparkles]

I need to know why we can't find a single fact about any of her other 4 husbands online!!!

[Starlight925]

1 hour ago, DrSparkles said:

I need to know why we can't find a single fact about any of her other 4 husbands online!!!

Spoiler

Me too.  Nor in the podcast.  I thought that was very odd.  Like, who is the father of each of the daughters?  And I think she has some other kids, is that right?  That was the one thing that was not made clear.

Edited December 18, 2018 by Sterling

[ribboninthesky1]

1 hour ago, DrSparkles said:

I need to know why we can't find a single fact about any of her other 4 husbands online!!!

Questions that need answers!

On a shallow note, I don't find the real John Meehan all that handsome.  He looks rather average to me.  He was handsome in his 30s, based on the Tonia wedding clips I've seen.  But by the time he meets Debra? Eh.  Knowing what I know, I feel like the drugs, the jail time, the grifting, and the general malevolence of his soul had taken their toil on any physical attractiveness he once had. But, eye of the beholder and all that.  I think that's why I'm okay with Eric Bana not looking hot in this.  He's not supposed to. 

At the heart of it, my perception of Debra is a person who is more afraid of being alone than being lied to and robbed.  There's a healthy desire for companionship, for love, to share your life with someone, and then there's...whatever is going on with Debra.  

I've only read the LA Times articles, and not listened to the podcast.  At this stage, I find myself more interested in Tonia's story than Debra's. She was married to AND had children with this man.  I believe they were married for 10 years.  What was that like for her?  I suppose I find Tonia more sympathetic because she was young, it was presumably her first marriage, and she didn't have family members hiring PIs or anyone to tell her that John wasn't who he said he was.  This was also the early 90s, so the convenience of hopping on the Internet and doing a Google search wasn't an option.   

[Mom2twoNonna2-3]

On 12/8/2018 at 5:58 PM, lezlers said:

Yeah, Eric Bana is way hotter.

I remember listening to the podcast, wondering what kind of weird OC affect had them pronouncing Chad as Shad.  Because...who names their kid SHAD?

My best friend is married to a Shad.

[918lux]

12 hours ago, Mom2twoNonna2one said:

My best friend is married to a Shad.

Is it short for something?

[HunterHunted]

14 hours ago, Mom2twoNonna2one said:

My best friend is married to a Shad.

2 hours ago, 918lux said:

Is it short for something?

 

Maybe Shadrach?

[QuinnM]

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@LADY OF NOD, the Dateline episode is discussed here but I don't see it linked - here you go. (Spoilers, obviously!)

Thank you, thank you, thank you.  It seemed every link I found had been ‘video removed’.  I was assuming that Dateline is looking to rerun it during prime time due to the current interest in the story.

[itsadryheat]

Anybody know what Debra/John relationship time frame was? First date Beginning to Parking Lot end?

[Barb23]

6 hours ago, QuinnM said:

Thank you, thank you, thank you.  It seemed every link I found had been ‘video removed’.  I was assuming that Dateline is looking to rerun it during prime time due to the current interest in the story.

I saw commercial on the Oxygen channel that they will be playing the Dateline episode mid January (I think.) I'll have to pay better attention & get all the details. 

[Mom2twoNonna2-3]

7 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

Maybe Shadrach?

Not to my knowledge. She has always said Shad and I believe even their wedding invites only said Shad. That was 19 years ago, so too far back to remember exactly. They are in AZ.

[itsadryheat]

"When she met John in 2014, Debra was 59—making her around 63 right now. She was raised by a youth pastor dad and a piano teacher mom, has been married a total of five times (including to John), and has four kids who she raised in the Orange County area of California."

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/a25346652/debra-newell-dirty-john/

Emily Meehan Interview

Edited December 20, 2018 by itsadryheat

[CaliCheeseSucks]

42 minutes ago, Jillybean said:

Thanks for posting this. I've been looking everywhere for a version that doesn't stop syncing audio and video after the first commercial break. Every version I've seen online does this. Any suggestions? I just can't watch it with the audio and video out of sync.

Hmmm I hadn't noticed any sync issues but I was listening more than watching, The Dateline extreme-angle cinematography filler was just too much.

4 hours ago, itsadryheat said:

Anybody know what Debra/John relationship time frame was? First date Beginning to Parking Lot end?

I believe they met in the fall (October?) 2014; the parking lot assault on Terra was August 2, 2016, and he died four days later. The podcast debuted October 2017.

[itsadryheat]

The Times' Christopher Goffard speaks about his series “Dirty John” with staff writer Carolina Miranda at the Theatre at Ace Hotel in Los Angeles.

[Door County Cherry]

Please don't link to/embed copyrighted material unless it's uploaded by the copyright holder.  If you find an official link to the Dateline episode, you may link it but unauthorized uploads will be hid.  

[CaliCheeseSucks]

Sorry, wasn't aware it wasn't kosher.

[Barb23]

I'm wondering why they decided to make Aarlane (Jean Smart) look so granny like & dowdy with her white hair & the way it was cut.  When they did the 20 year flashback, she had a  more modern stylish haircut & it was a nice shade of blonde.  Twenty years later, she looks like she's aged at least 30 years.  Her hair is a light blonde (?ash blonde)  and it was cut in a nice style for someone her age in the picture of the real Aarlene at the premiere.  

ETA: I'm not knocking anyone who has white hair or how their hair is cut.  My motto is to each his own when it comes to hair & clothing.  It just seems weird in the 20 year ago clips she looks modern & stylish & you would think she would have continued this look. 

[Sun-Bun]

On 12/22/2018 at 11:05 AM, Barb23 said:

It just seems weird in the 20 year ago clips she looks modern & stylish & you would think she would have continued this look. 

I’m guessing they overly aged her just to make her look more like she actually could be old enough to play Connie Britton’s mom—-isn’t there only a 15 year age difference between the two actresses in real life?

[Door County Cherry]

Sooo this latest episode about John and his father and sister, was that all made up for the show?  Because I don't remember any of it. 

[yourmomiseasy]

No, they talked about it in the podcast.  I think they might have filled some details in for the show, but they definitely talked about the various scams e learned from his dad and him stealing the RV from his sister, etc.  It's possibly in the episode where they talk about him taking a plea deal that forced him to move out of CA.

Edited December 24, 2018 by yourmomiseasy

[Pickles]

What happened with the sister in the end? Did she just walk away from the RV situation and not try to fight it, because she was realizing he had killed their father? I am guessing this is the same RV park that Ronnie visited in the beginning of the series.

[Neurochick]

11 hours ago, Door County Cherry said:

Sooo this latest episode about John and his father and sister, was that all made up for the show?  Because I don't remember any of it. 

I think the podcast said John had two sisters and a brother.  I think the sister they showed was a composite of both sisters.

Edited December 24, 2018 by Neurochick

[yourmomiseasy]

Here's the one with the most info on his childhood and siblings

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-dirty-john-filthy/

[mythoughtis]

6 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

Here's the one with the most info on his childhood and siblings

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-dirty-john-filthy/

Wow he’s suspected of killing his brother too.   

[absolutelyido]

10 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

Here's the one with the most info on his childhood and siblings

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-dirty-john-filthy/

When the article talks about Debra's history of picking bad men (although it doesn't go in to detail) it says: Where other's see red flags, Debra sees a parade. That seems to sum her up in a nutshell. 

Edited December 25, 2018 by absolutelyido

[yourmomiseasy]

It was mentioned somewhere that she had previously been in abusive relationships.

[CaliCheeseSucks]

In one of the interviews, I can't remember if it was the live (bonus) LAT podcast or elsewhere, Debra says something to the effect of how she never would have gotten involved with him had she known he would threaten her children.

Except he DID threaten them: He made the 'joke' about shooting Ronnie/Jacquelyn, and made that sinister comment to the nephew making light of the murder of his mother (not a threat per se but certainly a threatening use of a horrible personal detail).

Now Tania says - I'm pretty sure this is in the live pod - that she understands Debra hasn't had the same time to heal from John that she (Tania) has had and while I thought that was a generous and kind thing to say... I just don't think Debra gets it, will ever get it, especially not with a history of abusive relationships. The red flags were legion with John Meehan and she repeatedly chose to ignore those flags/ally with him over her family and their well-being.

Edited December 26, 2018 by CaliCheeseSucks

[Starlight925]

58 minutes ago, CaliCheeseSucks said:

Now Tania says - I'm pretty sure this is in the live pod - that she understands Debra hasn't had the same time to heal from John that she (Tania) has had and while I thought that was a generous and kind thing to say... I just don't think Debra gets it, will ever get it, especially not with a history of abusive relationships. The red flags were legion with John Meehan and she repeatedly chose to ignore those flags/ally with him over her family and their well-being.

 

The other important thing is, John was a "normal", "nice" husband and father for about 10 years.  So for Tonia, she had 10+ years to spend with a "nice" guy who worked really hard putting himself through school to be a nurse anesthetist.  His horrible persona didn't emerge for her until many years into the marriage.  She was busy with her job plus raising 2 kids, so even if bad things were going on, she was just too busy to see it, and he put on this sweet face when she was home.

Debra didn't even have 10 weeks.  They got married in 8 weeks.  Yes, Debra ignored red flags, but she was so swept off her feet, and the flags came out much much sooner in their relationship than it did in John & Tonia's. 

I think John just honed his skills in the years past Tonia, which included focusing on the most empathic, sweetest targets, who he could treat just like he treated Debra.

Remember, they met on OurTime, which is a site aimed at ages 50+.  I've been on OurTime, and I can tell you, the dates are dreadful.  So to meet a John Meehan must have been amazing, at least on the surface.

John is a gaslighting, manipulative, Malignant Narcissist, and the first stage is Love Bomb/Idealize, which he was amazing at.  

Edited December 27, 2018 by Sterling

[Barb23]

Ann Rule, the true life crime writer, really needs to write a book about Dirty John digging deeply in the families histories. 

I've seen Dateline but haven't listened to the podcast yet so I'm not sure if my question has already been addressed.

Who raised Toby/Shad after the murder of his mother?  I thought his father served some time in prison.  Did he stay with Arlene or Debra or another family member?  Debra & the girls  seem to have a close relationship with him so I was thinking it could be her.

I think someone posted that Debra & Toby's close relationship seemed weird or abnormal.   It dioesn't seem that way to me.  My sister is very close to my adult son & always has been.  He was the first baby born among me, my sister & brother.  My sister was going through some rough patches in her life when he came along & he helped take her mind off things. That closeness & bond has just stuck. 

BTW, I see nothing wrong or different about the name Shad.  I live in Maryland & there is a park on our Eastern shore named Shad Landing, which am sure is named after the fish.  So this isn't a new name for me.

[AttackTurtle]

3 hours ago, Barb23 said:

Ann Rule, the true life crime writer, really needs to write a book about Dirty John digging deeply in the families histories. 

I've seen Dateline but haven't listened to the podcast yet so I'm not sure if my question has already been addressed.

Who raised Toby/Shad after the murder of his mother?  I thought his father served some time in prison.  Did he stay with Arlene or Debra or another family member?  Debra & the girls  seem to have a close relationship with him so I was thinking it could be her.

I think someone posted that Debra & Toby's close relationship seemed weird or abnormal.   It dioesn't seem that way to me.  My sister is very close to my adult son & always has been.  He was the first baby born among me, my sister & brother.  My sister was going through some rough patches in her life when he came along & he helped take her mind off things. That closeness & bond has just stuck. 

BTW, I see nothing wrong or different about the name Shad.  I live in Maryland & there is a park on our Eastern shore named Shad Landing, which am sure is named after the fish.  So this isn't a new name for me.

Sadly, I believe Ann Rule past away.

[Barb23]

1 hour ago, AttackTurtle said:

Sadly, I believe Ann Rule past away.

I thought she might have passed.

I went thru a true crimes reading spurt years ago & read a lot of  her books.  

I think Dirty John would have been a great project for her but  I guess most of the story was already told by the newspaper reporter &  in the podcast. 

[lezlers]

On ‎12‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 5:55 PM, Mom2twoNonna2one said:

My best friend is married to a Shad.

I still think it's a dumb name.  There are a lot of people whose parents saddled them with dumb names out there.  Doesn't make them any less dumb.  Not that that's at all the point here.  ;)

Edited December 28, 2018 by lezlers

[Mom2twoNonna2-3]

In your opinion. And yes, I agree many names are stupid. I don't know yours, but, people may have the same sentiment. Apple, Zippedooda, and many other celebrity children names are stupid. That's the first time I've said that out loud. We can't control what our parents name us. I'm actually grateful my parents didn't name me Lisa, as mom was wont to do. Thank God for My Three Sons in 1970 saving me from that. My name is less common, I hated it as a child because nobody, including me, knew exactly how to say it...Dawn. But, now, I'm grateful that there aren't a ton of us out there. I was actually named after Dawn Lyn, the child who played Dodie and is Leif Garrett's little sister. I was also not a huge fan of my grandson's name, but, my daughter tells me it's a family name on the paternal side and I've grown to love it and love the uniqueness of it. You would call it a stupid name. 

Shad was named by his murdered mother. He probably loves the uniqueness of his name, as well as having something she chose for him to keep for the rest of his life.

[yourmomiseasy]

On 12/27/2018 at 8:21 AM, Barb23 said:

I thought she might have passed.

I went thru a true crimes reading spurt years ago & read a lot of  her books.  

I think Dirty John would have been a great project for her but  I guess most of the story was already told by the newspaper reporter &  in the podcast. 

I might be in a lonely boat, but I thought the podcast left a lot to be desired.  I feel like it didn't go deep enough.  Maybe I'd be less disappointed if I hadn't heard how amazing it was.  I still need to watch the Dateline, but I've been so busy with the holidays.

[DianeDobbler]

A friend of mine is hooked on this Bravo show, so I binged-read the entire story in the L.A. Times archives. Listened to a couple of interviews. As so many here point out, there is SO MUCH the reporters and the subjects just won't discuss. The mom's forgiveness of her daughter's murderer is NOT forgiveness, it is favoring men over women, as she did even before her child was murdered in cold blood. She allowed her son-in-law to live with her. She dismissed her daughter's information and experience in her marriage. THAT's the issue, not the b.s. "forgiveness.".  This sort of forgiveness is nothing but denial and a way not to deal with what happened. Period. It sure isn't forgiveness. If the roles were reversed and the daughter were controlling, paranoid, making her husband miserable, we can be certain the same forgiveness would not have extended to her child.

What the hell does the Mariners church teach? That's another question that goes unasked.

Narcs and psychopaths/sociopaths is a popular topic right now. What is less discussed is who is most likely to be their target? Why isn't the psychology of the targets as popular a subject, so the victims can recognize susceptibility in themselves and be less vulnerable to predators? Debra has been married five freaking times. I, as I am sure many people, know plenty of people who would have the opposite reaction to "love bombing" and instant amazing in-love landing on my doorstep. "Back off." There's a sentence in a novel I read once, "Yes, I'm amazing, but how would he, who has known me five whole minutes, KNOW that?" So if someone has just met you and finds you absolutely mesmerizing and fascinating without having had the opportunity to actually KNOW you, why not ask yourself how come they are trying to bowl you over? Cause it's about them, not how amazing you are.

The immaturity here is blood curdling. Even in a podcast I listened to, with a profiler and Gifford, and a journalist, only one person in the entire podcast questioned Debra's action in being WILLFULLY blind. Said the journalist, "Because of how he made her FEEL." Like that's a legitimate thing! It's not! It's "I want my fix, and my good feelings, and to feel amazing, and it's too good to let reality intrude." That's a problem, and the problem is with freaking DEBRA. It's totally different with someone who finds themselves married to a psycho because none of this happened and his dysfunction emerged over time, or a host of other contingencies and mitigating factors. But Debra? "I feel amazing, THIS feels amazing." And that's IT.  I just don't get it. Are most women monsters of vanity or something, that when an insta-romance arrives and the guy is doing EVERTYHING for them overnight, they think they're the ones inspiring it - that he doesn't merit a closer look?

Obviously this drives me crazy, but what also drives me crazy is the notion that narcs and psychos are so clever that everybody is a target, even women in Debra's position, with money, independence, and options. They're not. If someone is mirroring you right out of the gate, plenty of people see that as a red flag. PLENTY. If someone is love bombing you, that is not a GOOD sign. In the effort not to victim blame, the psychology of what some people are looking for in a relationship - JUST the feels and the love haze - goes unexplored. Or not explored enough. It's dangerous, and I think it needs to be talked about. 

[Vivigirl10]

On 12/29/2018 at 12:27 PM, DianeDobbler said:

as I am sure many people, know plenty of people who would have the opposite reaction to "love bombing" and instant amazing in-love landing on my doorstep. "Back off." There's a sentence in a novel I read once, "Yes, I'm amazing, but how would he, who has known me five whole minutes, KNOW that?"

Great post, DianeDobbler.  Your thoughts above are spot on.  I dated a man who was instantly "in love" and it was an immediate turn-off.  I even asked him, "tell me exactly what you like about me"?  The answer was laughable.  Next.  

In the show, Veronica appears to live an extremely affluent lifestyle, with the bags, clothes and such.  I know she did the brief stint for the plastic surgeon (and maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but the timeline of that employment as illustrated in the show did not align with real life.  In the podcast, by the time John showed up, the plastic surgery job was in the past.  It's how she knew his scrubs were bogus, right from the start).  What does she do for a living?  I always assumed she was just supported by Deborah but then with Terra, she seems to support herself.  When Terra was showing Deborah the apartment, she was clearly explaining how she would pay for it with her new job.  Mom didn't seem to be footing the bill.

Not so much in last night's episode but previously, if Dumb Dumb Deborah said, "Mmmmhmmmm.....okay" or "Mmmmmhmmm.....yeah" one more time, I thought I wouldn't be able to continue watching.     

On 12/23/2018 at 11:03 PM, Door County Cherry said:

Sooo this latest episode about John and his father and sister, was that all made up for the show?  Because I don't remember any of it. 

 I didn't remember all the childhood details either.  Wonder how much liberty they took?  The throwing himself in front of cars was something he definitely did as an adult.  

[Starlight925]

Re:  John & his father & sister.  He did put glass in a taco as a teenager IRL, and they did "shake down" the restaurant for money.  John's sister was interviewed for the podcast, plus his ex-wife had spoken to both her & his mom, so they have a lot of stories from them.  His friends didn't name him "Filthy John" for nothing.

[biakbiak]

I had listened to the podcast when it first came out but it was on the plane coming back from NYC so listened to the whole thing again which I found helpful because there are so many different timelines and people that I have forgotten definetly made the ep easier to follow with the details fresh in my mind.

[jabinlbc]

On ‎12‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 10:27 AM, DianeDobbler said:

What the hell does the Mariners church teach? That's another question that goes unasked.

 

I have known several people who attended Mariners, as well as other megachurches in the area, and they tend not to be the most Christian-like people.  I think most go for the social scene and not for the religion.

[lezlers]

On ‎12‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 3:10 PM, Mom2twoNonna2one said:

In your opinion. And yes, I agree many names are stupid. I don't know yours, but, people may have the same sentiment. Apple, Zippedooda, and many other celebrity children names are stupid. That's the first time I've said that out loud. We can't control what our parents name us. I'm actually grateful my parents didn't name me Lisa, as mom was wont to do. Thank God for My Three Sons in 1970 saving me from that. My name is less common, I hated it as a child because nobody, including me, knew exactly how to say it...Dawn. But, now, I'm grateful that there aren't a ton of us out there. I was actually named after Dawn Lyn, the child who played Dodie and is Leif Garrett's little sister. I was also not a huge fan of my grandson's name, but, my daughter tells me it's a family name on the paternal side and I've grown to love it and love the uniqueness of it. You would call it a stupid name. 

Shad was named by his murdered mother. He probably loves the uniqueness of his name, as well as having something she chose for him to keep for the rest of his life.

Yes, my opinion. That's kind of why I said "I think."   If you're trying to make me feel bad about having an opinion over a name, it's not going to happen.   Let's move on to discussing the actual show, hm?   I'm excited to watch the next episode, I haven't seen it yet.  I DID see, however, Debra responding in a facebook group thread.  She said some of her ex husbands were abusive and she left.  She hasn't dated anyone else and won't until she "fixes her picker" which was encouraging.

[jenrising]

Right now I'm just kind of shocked how little of Terra we're getting on the show, especially this close to the end. It just seems like a strange storytelling decision. 

[Empress1]

52 minutes ago, jenrising said:

Right now I'm just kind of shocked how little of Terra we're getting on the show, especially this close to the end. It just seems like a strange storytelling decision. 

I agree. Makes me wonder if they're going to change things so that Veronica is the one to kill John.

Edited January 1, 2019 by Empress1
Removed spoiler tags - forgot I wasn't posting in the episode thread.